So things seem a bit mad in France

[Magic]

:(

[Disco]

He's got you there.

[Kikó]

Now that was brutal:D

[Boydy]

Only suspect package when you're at an airport is your shit filled trousers as you struggle to board a plane.

:lol:

[Magic]

Everytime I get owned it seems to generate the most replies/mrgreens.

Obviously it brings all the betas out of the woodwork to laugh at a superior frat alpha.

[Disco]

What's a 'mrgreen'?

[Magic]

:mrgreen:

[Disco]

Well?

[Magic]

Does nobody remember when it was :mrgreen:?

[Jimmy Floyd]

It has never been that.

[Magic]

Maybe it was on a different forum. :happycry:

[Kikó]

Embarrassing.

[niko_cee]

There was a time and place where it was :martipellow: once, I think. I'm not strong on doctrine though.

[Giggles]

Had a 'mare there.

[Disco]

Maybe it was on a different forum. :happycry:

Has it been a long week dear?

[Magic]

I've had such a mare here that I might just go and hijack a truck and fucking plough it in to a bunch of kids. Maybe that's what happened.

[Disco]

Move to Glasgow, your council tax will cover that.

[Bartholomert]

Some of these Magic jokes in the last page and a half have been so bad they've been awesome.

Also spoke to my mom earlier, she said quietly get some sort of paperwork sorted out with the local Apostolic Church so that my 'allegiance' is a matter of public record; oh if my Armenian ancestors in the Ottoman Empire could witness the irony.

[Magic]

It's a wise move, Mert. I'll be the first to expose you to Trump's foot soldiers when they come a-knockin', just as long as you're ok with that.

[niko_cee]

Just carry a bottle of Ricard and/or a bacon baguette (le hot dog) around with you and swig/snack as required.

[Pepe]

Some of these Magic jokes in the last page and a half have been so bad they've been awesome.

Also spoke to my mom earlier, she said quietly get some sort of paperwork sorted out with the local Apostolic Church so that my 'allegiance' is a matter of public record; oh if my Armenian ancestors in the Ottoman Empire could witness the irony.

Something about giving away freedom for security.

[Magic]

Apparently the guy wasn't even a practicing Muslim (just by ethnicity and heritage).

Seems radical Islam is just an outlet for mentally unstable lunatics.

[randomlegend]

Does nobody remember when it was :mrgreen:?



It has never been that.

There was definitely a :mrgreen: or very similar.

[Magic]

Autism. :drool:

[randomlegend]

Oh :(

[Bartholomert]

Apparently the guy wasn't even a practicing Muslim (just by ethnicity and heritage).

Seems radical Islam is just an outlet for mentally unstable lunatics.

In a way doesn't that make it scarier; you don't even know who you need to monitor as a security agency...

[Magic]

Well not really, he was still brown and called Mo.

[GS]

When GS being the liberal voice of reason you know WW3 is coming.

I assume he was just trolling.

Apparently the French maintain about six different intelligence departments, meaning that co-ordination and sharing of information is abysmal. It's like the Belgians, who knew about the Brussels attackers and didn't do anything about it. You'd think you'd try and get things sorted.

France is probably at a point that the seething discontent is what it is, and the best you can hope for is to introduce 'safeguards' (like bollards everywhere there might be crowds) and reconstituting the intelligence services into one coordinated body which you can pump money into. There's not much you can do with borders since they're in Schengen, but we should definitely be doubling down on border control post Brexit. We'll need to strike a deal with the Irish as well, so we can nut people who cross the border into Northern Ireland illegally.

[Lee]

Turkey kicking off apparently. Bridges over the Bosphorus closed and large military presence in urban areas. Coup. :drool:

[Yevrah]

My boss' parents were in a bar on the beachfront of the promenade last night when this kicked off and apparently saw it unfold before literally running for their lives.

[Dquincy]

It might be that this nutter was in fact just that. His father has said he was on medication and may of had a break down and went on a rampage.

Imagine all these world leaders accusing ISIL and stating we must stand up to them...when in fact it might be just a lunatic having a break down.

Or it is ISIL.

[elth]

"I'm not a terrorist, I'm just a regular broken person mass murdering people because my life's turned out shit and I hate everyone."

[Shindig]

No group's claimed responsibility, have they?

[Dquincy]

Nope, which does support the lunatic meltdown theory.

[Lee]

His dad and ex wife are saying he has mental health issues. He still obviously did it for mad muslim reasons though. Nutters are exactly the people they can manipulate easily into doing this shit.

[GS]

"This has nothing to do with Islam."

[Lee]

Saying that it's an obvious tactic to encourage the vulnerable, moronic or retarded into committing atrocities is hardly saying it's nothing to do with islam.

But at the same time if this was all about a magic book they'd all be at it and I wouldn't be allowed to make my fortnightly trip into Leicester to watch the football.

[GS]

Islam, of the less tolerant kind, is here to stay. Saudi and Iran are your two big regional players, and you have Wahhabism and the Islamic Republic respectively. It could be decades, if not centuries, before Islam makes the transition that the Christian nations did post the thirty years war.

There's not much you can do about it, really. These people are clearly vulnerable for conversion and radicalisation, but it's not as if there's many places you can look in the Middle East where the religious authorities don't have an iron-like grip on certain parts of society, and where they push their agenda to the foreground.

[Shindig]

I feel like Christianity took the shift due to waning popularity, although I'm willing to be way off on that. Popularity is something Islam has in spades.

[niko_cee]

Islam needs a Henry VIII.

[Shindig]

Maybe it needs a progressive epicentre that also makes tons of money. I'd look towards Pakistan but they've just murdered a woman for getting her arse out on social media.

[Bartholomert]

No group's claimed responsibility, have they?

ISIS is claiming it:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/16/islamic-state-claims-responsibility-for-nice-truck-attack

[Shindig]

Cheers. Although the lack of evidence is pretty fun. I'll claim responsibility for it, then. I love trucks.

[Magic]

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=b81_1468627473

Holy fucking shit. First person view of what it looks like to be enjoying a festival then having an HGV plough through the crowd.

[Shindig]

Great. That's another day I've went with seeing murder. Thanks.

[Lewis]

It was really shifting then. Jesus.

[GS]

I don't think I'll watch it, but I'm interested as to why anyone would stand and video it rather than doing the sensible thing and legging it as fast as possible in a different direction.

[Lee]

ISIS haven't really claimed it so much as they've said the bloke liked their mental kind of islam, have they? Doesn't appear to have been organised by them like Paris or Brussels.

[GS]

He seems like a radicalised lone nutter.

You'd say he's an 'associate member'. A £3 member, if you will.

[Lee]

Fucking Corbynite.

[Yevrah]

I don't think I'll watch it, but I'm interested as to why anyone would stand and video it rather than doing the sensible thing and legging it as fast as possible in a different direction.

He was just recording the surroundings and happened to capture the truck as it drove in.

You don't see anything bad in it, so it may well be on the news later. Gives a good impression of how narrow the street was though, how much of that space the truck takes up and why no-one in its way stood a chance.

[GS]

Apparently there's an 'anger' at this particular attack, rather than the usual 'shock'.

[Raoul Duke]

I reckon this is the kind of thing that'll start happening over here. I was on Oxford Street the other day and you could easily imagine something similar there. Some mentalist nicks a bus and goes full pelt up there.

[Magic]

He was just recording the surroundings and happened to capture the truck as it drove in.

You don't see anything bad in it, so it may well be on the news later. Gives a good impression of how narrow the street was though, how much of that space the truck takes up and why no-one in its way stood a chance.

Exactly. Initially I couldn't comprehend 84 dead but looking at that it's easy to see how. The guy just to the side of the camera guy facing the other way never even reacted.

[John]

I reckon this is the kind of thing that'll start happening over here. I was on Oxford Street the other day and you could easily imagine something similar there. Some mentalist nicks a bus and goes full pelt up there.

:nodd:

When it happened in Glasgow the bloke had fallen unconscious at the wheel and had people in the cabin with him trying to stop it, but he still managed to hit twenty one people and kill six of them because those trucks are just so fucking big. That was on one of the quieter streets during Christmas shopping. Transplant that to a busy street and stick someone behind the wheel who's aiming for people and it's easy to see how you end up with that sort of death toll.

[Yevrah]

I see these twats have come out giving it large again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrN-59dwf7Q

[Shindig]

"Lol, we signed them up to more porn sites." Plus you're basically trying to punish some complete shitehawks that probably had nothing to do with this actual attack just by association.

[Magic]

Making their Twitter accounts look gay is worse than a megaton Sarin bomb being dropped on Mosul.

[niko_cee]

Exactly. Initially I couldn't comprehend 84 dead but looking at that it's easy to see how. The guy just to the side of the camera guy facing the other way never even reacted.

That guy in the glasses who looks at the camera got absolutely marmalised didn't he?

[Magic]

Yep. Didn't even hear anything to react to. Always think there would be a way out from that but no chance when you see that. Brutal.

[randomlegend]

Presume everyone's seen and is just too numb to it all by now, but seems some bloke attacked a woman and her three daughters with a knife in France earlier.

[Shindig]

Although he had been in trouble with police many years ago, reports said there was no indication of a religious link to the case.
Unconfirmed reports suggested he had objected to the light clothing worn by his victims but Mr Balland said "it's all rumour, the man's not said anything".

Tell them with your words, mate. Plus it's hot out.

[elth]

Funny how security services are always paranoid about bombs when you can do way more damage with a truck or a rifle, neither of which take any particular expertise to use effectively enough.

[Shindig]

"Hey this man's hired a truck." - Perhaps he's moving?
"Hey, this man's bought a gun." - Cool, that's legal.

Or if a criminal does both these things, you anticipate a robbery, rather than Carmageddon.

[Bartholomert]

Presume everyone's seen and is just too numb to it all by now, but seems some bloke attacked a woman and her three daughters with a knife in France earlier.

Just another day in the multicultural Utopia of France.

[Lee]

Two blokes with knives have taken hostages in a church in Rouen.

[Boydy]

Oh ffs.

Every time this thread jumps back up to the top of the page my reaction is just 'what now?'

[Byron]

The hostage takers have been shot dead.

[Giggles]

I see these twats have come out giving it large again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrN-59dwf7Q

Yeah did they actually do anything the last time round?

[Magic]

Oh ffs.

Every time this thread jumps back up to the top of the page my reaction is just 'what now?'

Mine is: :drool:

[Bartholomert]

Two blokes with knives have taken hostages in a church in Rouen.

What will it take for Europe to wake up, or are they too tranquilized by political correctness and liberalism to even protect themselves at this stage?

[Lee]

Didn't realise they'd killed the priest. Slit his throat whimsy shouting about "Daesh". For fuck's sake.

EDIT: Beheaded. Fucking hell.

[Lewis]

Joan of Arc was martyred in Rouen, and the National Front loves her.

[Bartholomert]

Didn't realise they'd killed the priest. Slit his throat whimsy shouting about "Daesh". For fuck's sake.

EDIT: Beheaded. Fucking hell.

Some 12th century shit.

[Mazuuurk]

This is getting out of hand. Someone shot a doctor in a hospital then himself. Sounds like a romantic revenge-crime or, you know, whatever. Can't see it being a terrorist act:

https://www.rt.com/news/353339-gunman-shooting-clinic-berlin/


What is actually happening now is the whole world is just reporting on every slightly out-of-the ordinary (for lack of a better word) murder that is happening throughout the whole of Europe.

[Bartholomert]

This is getting out of hand. Someone shot a doctor in a hospital then himself. Sounds like a romantic revenge-crime or, you know, whatever. Can't see it being a terrorist act:

https://www.rt.com/news/353339-gunman-shooting-clinic-berlin/

What is actually happening now is the whole world is just reporting on every slightly out-of-the ordinary (for lack of a better word) murder that is happening throughout the whole of Europe.

Are you seriously, seriously going to minimize / pretend like Europe is not in the throes of a wave of Islamic terrorism never before witnessed in recent history?

Two radical Muslims beheaded a Christian priest while shouting allegiance to the Islamic Caliphate in France today. In 2016. And it's not even a big deal. This is scary scary stuff, there is a reason it is being reported. At least RT has some backbone versus the BBC:

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/757888392432672768

[Yeldoow]

What will it take for Europe to wake up, or are they too tranquilized by political correctness and liberalism to even protect themselves at this stage?

What do you propose the solution is?

[Jimmy Floyd]

We've just voted for Brexit, that should give them a prod in the right direction.

[Bartholomert]

What do you propose the solution is?

It's too late to do anything except minimize the damage. Immediately stop all immigration. Offer incentivized repatriation. Suspend all welfare and government social support. Suspend civil liberties and aggressively monitor all mosques / Muslims / speech. Deport all Muslim criminals or suspected terrorists without due process. Force every Muslim to disavow Sharia, eat pork, and pass a civics and language proficiency test; if they fail immediately deport.

And wait it out for a few generations.

[Giggles]

It's too late to do anything except minimize the damage. Immediately stop all immigration. Offer incentivized repatriation. Suspend all welfare and government social support. Suspend civil liberties and aggressively monitor all mosques / Muslims / speech. Deport all Muslim criminals or suspected terrorists without due process. Force every Muslim to disavow Sharia, eat pork, and pass a civics and language proficiency test; if they fail immediately deport.

And wait it out for a few generations.


Now that's a mert post I can get on board with.

[Yeldoow]

It's too late to do anything except minimize the damage. Immediately stop all immigration. Offer incentivized repatriation. Suspend all welfare and government social support. Suspend civil liberties and aggressively monitor all mosques / Muslims / speech. Deport all Muslim criminals or suspected terrorists without due process. Force every Muslim to disavow Sharia, eat pork, and pass a civics and language proficiency test; if they fail immediately deport.

And wait it out for a few generations.

Basically incite mass riots?

How do you think this would help?

[Bartholomert]

Basically incite mass riots?

How do you think this would help?

You have no other choice. The alternative is annihilation.

[Pepe]

The French do produce more pork than they consume. Adding more pork eaters can only benefit everyone.

[SvN]

I love the idea of force feeding Muslims pork being a solution.

[Bartholomert]

I love the idea of force feeding Muslims pork being a solution.

Maybe have them shotgun a beer on top of it.

[Andrew]

Mert goes from being on the ball with the Turkey coup, to a post about force feeding Muslims pork and making them drink scrumpy jacks....

[Pepe]

You idiots encouraged him. 'Top job mert' they said. :face:

[Magic]

Can we go on a TTH covert mission to try and assassinate Erdogan?

[Giggles]

A lot of it is sound thinking though. In what other war do you invite the enemy into your own territory so they can strike easier?

It's time for Europe to put away the desperation to be PC and take control again. It's the time for it now.

[Magic]

Since when did we start referring to innocent people as 'the enemy'?

[Giggles]

Since when did we start referring to innocent people as 'the enemy'?

When you can't differentiate which are innocent or not then you fuck out the lot.

And anyway, in this day and age authorities know fucking well who's going to do what, but they're so hand tied by human rights bollocks that they end up sacrificing their own citizens for fear of being seen as un-PC.

[Magic]

Had no idea you were an absolute lunatic, Giggz.

[Giggles]

Had no idea you were an absolute lunatic, Giggz.

Well the alternative isn't working very well in Europe is it?

[Pepe]

He's been spouting that nonsense for a while now. At least mert is trolling, Giggles is just completely out there.

[Magic]

What's the alternative? As far as I'm aware there's no 'solution' being implemented at all.

[Bartholomert]

Mert goes from being on the ball with the Turkey coup, to a post about force feeding Muslims pork and making them drink scrumpy jacks....

There are no easy solutions. Maybe I feel this way because I've been working in France this summer and I'm absorbing the anxiety / stress of my colleagues whereas you all are still relatively removed from the terrorist threat.

What I wrote is what it will ultimately come to. It's just a matter of how many people must first die before someone in the government takes the necessary actions.

If you think I take some sort of pleasure or delight in the current situation you are sorely sorely mistaken. I write these posts out of deep anguish, frustration and hurt. This is fucking Europe for Gods sake, the home of the Enlightenment, culture, liberty, equality, and freedom. I am watching it turn into a backwaters shit hole because of the inertia of absolutely neutered leaders more afraid of being perceived as 'intolerant' than protecting and providing security their people, the number 1 responsibility of any government...I am Turkish after all, these are people I grew up around I am condemning. You just cannot keep them here, they cannot integrate, this is the reality. And periodically they will lash out and undermine the civil society which the West had heretofore taken for granted.

I am not one of these racists who sees brown skin and has a visceral caveman reaction. This is the painful conclusion I have come to after unemotionally examining the facts.

[Giggles]

What's the alternative? As far as I'm aware there's no 'solution' being implemented at all.

I'm saying that they know who are planning attacks. There's plenty of intelligence in this day and age to know.
So my alternative would be, rather than sit back and watch suspects kill dozens of your citizens, put a bullet right between any suspects eyes. Chances are you're going to be bang on the money.

[Magic]

I'm saying that they know who are planning attacks. There's plenty of intelligence in this day and age to know.
So my alternative would be, rather than sit back and watch suspects kill dozens of your citizens, put a bullet right between any suspects eyes. Chances are you're going to be bang on the money.

I see your point now. Rather than pop a few innocents here and there just stick them in a massive chamber and fill it up with VX.

[Pepe]

Maybe I feel this way because I've been working in France this summer and I'm absorbing the anxiety / stress of my colleagues whereas you all are still relatively removed from the terrorist threat.

Fuck off. :D

[Giggles]

I see your point now. Rather than pop a few innocents here and there just stick them in a massive chamber and fill it up with VX.

No. Just raid where they're staying and pop them there and then. I said anyone under any suspicion from intelligence services.
Maybe you'll make the odd mistake and do an innocent one here and there but it's better than making the mistake of doing fuck all and seeing large groups killed.

Plus all that stuff about completely locking down borders right now. Not pussyfooting with state of emergencies and starting processes, just lock it right down right now. Anyone already in illegally goes as soon as possible.

[Pepe]

State sponsored murder > Criminal murder

Makes sense.

[Yeldoow]

No. Just raid where they're staying and pop them there and then. I said anyone under any suspicion from intelligence services.
Maybe you'll make the odd mistake and do an innocent one here and there but it's better than making the mistake of doing fuck all and seeing large groups killed.

And you would have entire cultural groups living in fear of their lives despite having done nothing wrong. You'd be doing ISIS's recruitment for them.

[Giggles]

And you would have entire cultural groups living in fear of their lives despite having done nothing wrong. You'd be doing ISIS's recruitment for them.

Their religion and culture are recruitment enough.

[Giggles]

State sponsored murder > Criminal murder

Makes sense.

If they've any basis for the actions then it's not murder. I'm not talking about running around popping off anyone brown.
You're that desperate to be PC though that I wouldn't doubt you see some of the attacks going ahead as better than oppressing the specific people who carried it out even if it was known they were going to. It's no time for any of this hippy bullshit thinking, it's time to defend your people.

[Bartholomert]

And you would have entire cultural groups living in fear of their lives despite having done nothing wrong. You'd be doing ISIS's recruitment for them.

So what's the solution buddy? I can be morally self-righteous all day but people are being beheaded in Western Europe over here. Maybe time to man the fuck up and realize this is a war of cultures and one side will not stop until it is either defeated or victorious.

[Pepe]

If they've any basis for the actions then it's not murder.

Yes it is but I don't expect you to understand so that's ok.

[Yeldoow]

Their religion is recruitment enough.

No it's not or ISIS would have 1.7bn members rather than around 30,000.

Al Queda wouldn't "declare war" on ISIS, and sunnis and shias wouldn't be killing each other in Iraq.

Islam isn't one coherent religion any more than christianity is.

[Giggles]

Yes it is but I don't expect you to understand so that's ok.

It's a war at this stage so it's justified.

Go tie another fucking daisychain there and hopefully in a few days you can salivate over a few dozen more killings so long as the poor minority wasn't upset along the way.

[Yeldoow]

So what's the solution buddy? I can be morally self-righteous all day but people are being beheaded in Western Europe over here. Maybe time to man the fuck up and realize this is a war of cultures and one side will not stop until it is either defeated or victorious.

Some (literal) nutter beheaded a woman in the Canary Islands a few years ago, people do awful things all the time. In 2012 430 people were murdered in France and that was a record low.

The "solution" domestically must always be the rule of law. If someones murders people, he is a murderer and should be treated as such. I see no reason we should call it an "act of terror" or treat them any differently. That only serves to set them apart as something special, as if they are more than a just a criminal.

Actual terrorism (bombings and such) are a different thing but we still have laws for that, that should be followed.

The solution to the wider problem is more complicated but generally I would say we need to stop interfering in other countries, stop killing civilians and inciting the hatred against us. We need to defeat ISIS (and any other groups like them) in the realm of ideas. We need to show how backward they are. We should not be vilifying large groups within our own societies because of the actions of a small number of people, and we should be trying to help those displaced by our actions in the middle east.

There will always be some fanatics, but the problems start we they can turn moderates to their cause.

[Kikó]

I hope few people think like you giggles. It's frightening.

[Magic]

I hope few people think like you giggles. It's frightening.

It's a majority held opinion, mate. BREXIT.

[Giggles]

I hope few people think like you giggles. It's frightening.

More do in your neck of the woods especially.

[Pepe]

It's a majority held opinion, mate. BREXIT.

:D

:uhoh:

[Yevrah]

I'm saying that they know who are planning attacks. There's plenty of intelligence in this day and age to know.
So my alternative would be, rather than sit back and watch suspects kill dozens of your citizens, put a bullet right between any suspects eyes. Chances are you're going to be bang on the money.

The bullet in the eye stuff is obviously the preserve of backward wankers too, but I can see a time in the not too distant future where European countries start deporting/locking people up indefinitely that are on watch lists.

[Yevrah]

Some (literal) nutter beheaded a woman in the Canary Islands a few years ago, people do awful things all the time. In 2012 430 people were murdered in France and that was a record low.

The "solution" domestically must always be the rule of law. If someones murders people, he is a murderer and should be treated as such. I see no reason we should call it an "act of terror" or treat them any differently. That only serves to set them apart as something special, as if they are more than a just a criminal.

Actual terrorism (bombings and such) are a different thing but we still have laws for that, that should be followed.

The solution to the wider problem is more complicated but generally I would say we need to stop interfering in other countries, stop killing civilians and inciting the hatred against us. We need to defeat ISIS (and any other groups like them) in the realm of ideas. We need to show how backward they are. We should not be vilifying large groups within our own societies because of the actions of a small number of people, and we should be trying to help those displaced by our actions in the middle east.

There will always be some fanatics, but the problems start we they can turn moderates to their cause.

Hmm, this sort of reasoned stuff is all very well, but the horse has already bolted.

These people are something special in that there's a concerted movement by a committed and sizeable (enough) number of them to undermine Western way of life, and as such they're definitely more dangerous than your average criminal.

And again, as for stopping interfering in other countries, I'd agree entirely that 'we've' done some fucking stupid and immoral things on that front, but they're done and it's pretty clear to me that not doing the same in future isn't going to make this problem go away.

I don't have the answers, far from it, but it strikes me that listening to the two extremes in this thread and seeing some 'experts' on the news now, neither does anyone else, but it's pretty clear that the more people there are that are murdered in public, the closer we get to the authorities taking more radical and drastic action.

[Pepe]

The bullet in the eye stuff is obviously the preserve of backward wankers too, but I can see a time in the not too distant future where European countries start deporting/locking people up indefinitely that are on watch lists.

And that is when we will truly be fucked.

[Yevrah]

And that is when we will truly be fucked.

I'm not advocating it, but we're fucked anyway - there's nothing anyone can do to make this problem go away as the only tools we have currently to fight it are our moral compass and our legal framework, things that have repeatedly been proven to be ineffective and easily circumvented respectively, by a group of people who're absolutely batshit.

[Magic]

This would have happened without 9/11 and interference by the West.

[Shindig]

"This is a mental illness issue." should become our "Urban violence" equivalent. It kind of is if you've got these lads who have no concrete links to IS. They didn't go over there to radicalise. They watched some videos, bought a flag and said that's enough. Its the low barrier to entry legit depressives will scramble under because they can't be arsed to start a youtube career instead.

[Yevrah]

This would have happened without 9/11 and interference by the West.

I don't think we've helped the situation with our crusades of democracy, but on the flipside we've also done things that are absolutely reprehensible in the other direction as well, like funding those CAGE scumbags, for example.

[Pepe]

Giving up our most basic laws would be a far bigger deal than the current 'problem.' Also, we don't know that it won't go away by using our 'moral compass and legal framework.' It has not been going on for that long. Too much PASSION fueled speech going on.

[Shindig]

I dunno. At least there wouldn't have been an Iraq war to beat us over the head with. Although something like the Arab Spring would've happened to presumably kick this off anyway. Civil unrest in the Middle East is always there.

[mikem]

I realize that I am in the big minority but I've never understood why people want to bring a gun to a "culture" war. It is not like Galileo, Da Vinci, et al won with guns.

[Giggles]

Expose your own to slaughter and keep your morals.

Pepe has it sussed :drool:

[GS]

The bullet in the eye stuff is obviously the preserve of backward wankers too, but I can see a time in the not too distant future where European countries start deporting/locking people up indefinitely that are on watch lists.

We tried internment in Northern Ireland. It didn't work - it simply provoked more rioting.

This is a consequence of appalling domestic and foreign policy over decades, particularly by the French who have a rancid history of forced decolonisation. You're not fixing it any time soon, and your only real hope is one of containment.

[Yevrah]

We tried internment in Northern Ireland. It didn't work - it simply provoked more rioting.

This is a consequence of appalling domestic and foreign policy over decades, particularly by the French who have a rancid history of forced decolonisation. You're not fixing it any time soon, and your only real hope is one of containment.

Like I said, I'm not advocating it, but I can see it happening.

Lewis can add it to the dossier.

[GS]

Perhaps.

On a separate point, how fucking cowardly do you have to be to attack a church with a priest in his mid-eighties?

[Shindig]

With a congregation of four.

[Magic]

I realize that I am in the big minority but I've never understood why people want to bring a gun to a "culture" war. It is not like Galileo, Da Vinci, et al won with guns.

Bollocks, we're already enlightened mate. Fire up the gas chambers.

[Byron]

Expose your own to slaughter and keep your morals.

Pepe has it sussed :drool:

Nah you're right, we need to start putting a bullet in the head of anyone on a watch list.

While we're at it, to make sure the families of those killed aren't looking for revenge, let's just kill them as well. And to make completely sure, maybe we should take all other Muslims and put them in some sort of internment camp for their own safety while we re educate them, any that step out of line, well we put a bullet in them as well.

Or you know, you could recognise that this is a minority not just waging war on the West but on other moderate Muslims and basically anyone that doesn't think like them. But if you want to carry on being a hysterical cunt, be my fucking guest.

[Giggles]

Nah you're right, we need to start putting a bullet in the head of anyone on a watch list.

While we're at it, to make sure the families of those killed aren't looking for revenge, let's just kill them as well. And to make completely sure, maybe we should take all other Muslims and put them in some sort of internment camp for their own safety while we re educate them, any that step out of line, well we put a bullet in them as well.

Or you know, you could recognise that this is a minority not just waging war on the West but on other moderate Muslims and basically anyone that doesn't think like them. But if you want to carry on being a hysterical cunt, be my fucking guest.

Not that I'm agreeing with all your exaggerations, but when there's just a threat then maybe you can get away with airy fairy shit. But not at this stage after all that's happened.

Why are people so intent on bending over for them?

[Magic]

Giggles unveiling himself as an even bigger intolerant racist than Lee is a joy to behold.

[Giggles]

Giggles unveiling himself as an even bigger intolerant racist than Lee is a joy to behold.

Not wanting to see families killed in the streets = racist.

This really fucking is something else. Is it post a post Brexit denial thing or are you really just determined to not be seen as un-PC at all costs?
And a cunt with a family too. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[GS]

On the "PC" point, I think there does come a point where you're required to acknowledge certain points on Islam. Saying "this has nothing to do with Islam" is a statement that is observably false, although you can understand why politicians and other prominent political figures say it.

[Lee]

Giggles unveiling himself as an even bigger intolerant racist than Lee is a joy to behold.

You what?

Anyway

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/people-are-confused-why-there-appears-to-be-a-hidden-page-of?utm_term=.vcwMqEjll#.bfv3Okell

Lol

[niko_cee]

On a separate point, how fucking cowardly do you have to be to attack a church with a priest in his mid-eighties?

In fairness, though, of all the people in the world you could kill, an 84 year old god botherer is probably one of the least reprehensible choices you could make. He's had a better than average run already, and was probably keen to see the man upstairs before he started pissing himself and undoing a lifetime of good work with dementia related blasphemy.

[Giggles]

I was wondering where Magic disappeared to but I've just read that they filmed the murder of the priest. Best to give him another 15-20 minutes.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8oa96ViUr0s/UUT3FgQrlkI/AAAAAAAANu0/x8ica4o4FqE/s1600/Screenshot+-+3_9_2013+,+11_15_33+PM.png

[Bartholomert]

Morality doesn't win wars. When you are fighting an animal you cannot reason with him, you have to kill him before he kills you. This is the reality of existence.

There will be no principles to defend when Europe has become Syria.

[Lewis]

The problem with the 'battle of ideas' and 'culture war' rhetoric is that you are using language and frameworks not really designed for this. When you think 'battle of ideas' you think about whether or not the state should have a monopoly on rail travel. When you think 'culture war' you think conservatism against god-less lesbianism. However contentious the issues might be, they are normally a) reasonable; and b) situated within a political discourse subject to a degree of consensus about the fundamentals. It's not a concept suited to confronting (and defeating) existential threats.

How do you go about fighting the 'battle of ideas' between the way of life that we enjoy and barbarism? If somebody looks at modern Western society and thinks that it can only be improved upon by introducing large amounts of the seventh century, then they're a fucking write-off. Historically, societies have been able to endure the odd 'culture war' whilst remaining relatively stable; but, when ideas come along that pose an existential threat, everything gets put on hold until it has had the piss kicked out of it.

When nation states peddle these ideas they have a war and one of them goes down the bog, taking its absolutism/slavery/communism/fascism down with it, because the superior way of life provides the material and moral strength to win the day. You just need to figure out how to apply that to individuals. You can write all the appeals for tolerance you want, but if the other side doesn't engage then your military metaphors are a non-starter, because they haven't engaged you. Mert probably got closest to how to win the 'battle of ideas' when he said to demolish the state safety net (at least insofar as it enables people to cut themselves off), because then it costs not to get with the programme. That is the most basic solution. These idiots are mainly people who have failed to accommodate themselves to European society; but instead of sinking without trace or fucking off, as was the case in the olden days, they can fester and blame everyone else.

[Bartholomert]

Word. Well written.

[GS]

That may be, but I'd say we also need to do more to try and remove ISIS itself. Its pull is clearly mythologised, but its very existence lends credence to the ideas they espouse.

[Yeldoow]

In September 2014 the CIA estimated that ISIS had 20,000 - 31,500 members. In January after over a year of bombings and an estimated 20,000 ISIS fighters killed they estimated the membership at 20,000 - 30,000.

Unless we are going to go full on carpet bombing genocide (and to be honest even then), we aren't going to beat them militarily. The more bombings there are the more civilians are killed and the more people are radicalised.

In December the US Air Force said that they were dropping bombs faster than they could replace them.

Withdrawing from Iraq and Syria isn't going to change anything over night, but an end to the bombing would cut ISIS's recruitment.

[GS]

ISIS's very existence provides a platform for radicalisation, through constant mythologising of what it is and active targeting of likely recruits through social media and terrorist networks developed in Iraq and Syria. The Paris attacks, for example, wouldn't have happened without ISIS controlling the territory it does. The bombers wouldn't have been able to form a 'network', and wouldn't have been able to get the necessary training anywhere near as easily.

I don't buy the argument that targeting them is going to create a new wave of radicalisation. It's far more complicated than that. Globalisation leaving a festering underbelly of society with no education and no prospects, failed social policies causing simmering resentment and a terrorist group with the active ability to target these individuals with the mythology of a 'true' Islamic State. They'll join them whether we bomb or not, because it gives them a sense of purpose and lets them fight against the people they blame for being shit at life. We're better ramping it up and bombing them off the face of the earth. Then you can target training camps in Nigeria, Somalia and Pakistan with some pre-emptive missiles.

We won't beat them militarily without boots on the ground, but that's not our job. We should really be propping Assad up and letting him get on with booting the shit out of them. We love removing a few dictators because DEMOCRACY, but it's been a waste of time in Syria, Iraq and Libya.

[Bartholomert]

How about a good ol' ground offensive to take Raqqa?

[Shindig]

Withdrawing from Syria and Iraq won't stop recruitment either. It'd just give them a platform of 'victory'. Turns out one of yesterday's attackers had traveled to Syria to join IS. They told him to fuck off. Now they take credit for this.

[mugbull]

ISIS is gonna take credit for a lot of things they had no hand in just to say they have power and influence.

[Shindig]

They haven't taken credit for Brexit yet.

[Magic]

The problem with the 'battle of ideas' and 'culture war' rhetoric is that you are using language and frameworks not really designed for this. When you think 'battle of ideas' you think about whether or not the state should have a monopoly on rail travel. When you think 'culture war' you think conservatism against god-less lesbianism. However contentious the issues might be, they are normally a) reasonable; and b) situated within a political discourse subject to a degree of consensus about the fundamentals. It's not a concept suited to confronting (and defeating) existential threats.

How do you go about fighting the 'battle of ideas' between the way of life that we enjoy and barbarism? If somebody looks at modern Western society and thinks that it can only be improved upon by introducing large amounts of the seventh century, then they're a fucking write-off. Historically, societies have been able to endure the odd 'culture war' whilst remaining relatively stable; but, when ideas come along that pose an existential threat, everything gets put on hold until it has had the piss kicked out of it.

When nation states peddle these ideas they have a war and one of them goes down the bog, taking its absolutism/slavery/communism/fascism down with it, because the superior way of life provides the material and moral strength to win the day. You just need to figure out how to apply that to individuals. You can write all the appeals for tolerance you want, but if the other side doesn't engage then your military metaphors are a non-starter, because they haven't engaged you. Mert probably got closest to how to win the 'battle of ideas' when he said to demolish the state safety net (at least insofar as it enables people to cut themselves off), because then it costs not to get with the programme. That is the most basic solution. These idiots are mainly people who have failed to accommodate themselves to European society; but instead of sinking without trace or fucking off, as was the case in the olden days, they can fester and blame everyone else.

And disillusion the vast majority who aren't lunatics?

[Raoul Duke]

'Demolish(ing) the state safety net' wouldn't work in that way. You'd fuck over a load of poor British people and just create another tranche of embittered delinquents, with a different kind of beef. I really can't see a time when we'd just let people starve to death in the streets.

[Bartholomert]

'Demolish(ing) the state safety net' wouldn't work in that way. You'd fuck over a load of poor British people and just create another tranche of embittered delinquents, with a different kind of beef. I really can't see a time when we'd just let people starve to death in the streets.

You would apply it to people who haven't been in the country beyond 2-3 generations, coming from certain countries; the British poor would be unaffected. And there would be no starving in the street, if they were struggling they would be offered repatriation along with certain incentives.

[GS]

Let's be honest here as well - the majority of the 'British poor' are, as we understand it, white, tattooed and living in post-industrial towns.

They're not going to go and join ISIS. They'll just sit and watch Jeremy Kyle, and let students in common rooms be the revolutionaries.

[GS]

This is quite a good article, by the way:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/will-politicians-accept-reality-islamic-terrorism/

[phonics]

758597388776898560

Just get to the end. It's worth it. :D

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

That could be right out of The Day Today :D

[niko_cee]

That is quality.

:D

[Giggles]

:D fucking hell.

[SvN]

Oh God. That really is incredible.

[Byron]

That's one of those that you look afterwards for any sign of a spoof.

[Giggles]

Bombs, planes, Brussels, etc.

[Boydy]

What? Has something else happened?

[Giggles]

What? Has something else happened?

Quite probably fuck all.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-08-10/bomb-threats-reported-on-two-planes-due-to-land-at-brussels/

[Shindig]

A friend of mine's headed off to Nice today. Hope she comes back fine because, frankly, I hold out that one day we'll shag.

[Giggles]

A friend of mine's headed off to Nice today. Hope she comes back fine because, frankly, I hold out that one day we'll shag.

:uhoh:

http://theliberal.ie/breaking-theres-reports-of-gunfire-in-a-french-holiday-resort-near-nice/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/terror-french-mediterranean-resort-juan-8632257

[Spoonsky]

Cockblocked by ISIS. Now that's just bad luck.

[niko_cee]

Forcing women to strip on the beach at gunpoint.

Liberté.

Lol at Sarko's new book as well. We are not like filthy Anglo-Saxon pigdogs who allow communities to happily coexist side by side . . .

Obsessed.

[GS]

The crowd applauding the police officer making her do it is the worst part.

Liberté, égalité, fraternité. Except if you're not white.

I was reading about Sarkozy's proposals earlier. The French have probably had their fill of 'the socialists' by now, given Hollande has been a disgrace and the unions can still ground the French economy to a halt if they fancy it.

'Sarko' v Le Pen in the presidential run-off. The country would shit itself.

[Shindig]

We could take them. Seriously. We could take them. Then we can do what the fuck we want to Dover and Calais.

[Magic]

The crowd applauding the police officer making her do it is the worst part.

Liberté, égalité, fraternité. Except if you're not white.

I was reading about Sarkozy's proposals earlier. The French have probably had their fill of 'the socialists' by now, given Hollande has been a disgrace and the unions can still ground the French economy to a halt if they fancy it.

'Sarko' v Le Pen in the presidential run-off. The country would shit itself.

Let's not pretend you didn't get a hard on over it.

[niko_cee]

They've had the X v Le Pen thing before haven't they, which is why they ended up with years of Chirac and his £800,000 a week grocery bill.

[GS]

France ceased to be a country of consequence in June 1940.

Vichy and the subsequent disgraces in Indochina and Algeria ruined the French self-image. De Gaulle spent his term as President trying to make things as difficult as he possibly could for Britain and America (vetoing our entry into the common market, taking the French out of NATO and demanding non-French troops leave the country), all so he could try and pretend that France still mattered.

[GS]

Let's not pretend you didn't get a hard on over it.

The state or municipal authority should not be mandating that women are not allowed to wear a 'burkini'. It's just a wet suit, except it's been rebranded. It's the sort of morality policing you would expect in Iran.


They've had the X v Le Pen thing before haven't they, which is why they ended up with years of Chirac and his £800,000 a week grocery bill.

They have, which is why the FN can't win regional elections. The rest of them 'conspire' to present a united candidate, and there's no quite enough fascists in France to get them over the line.

[Raoul Duke]

Like there wouldn't be the exact same (or worse) going on here if some shitcunts blew up a load of people every few months

[GS]

We don't have anywhere near the same level of ingrained societal problems as the French do.

We're also not deeply attached to any idea of a 'secular state' under which you can pretend the legislation is fair game.

[Lewis]

Sadiq Khan was mouthing off about it earlier, as if he isn't the dickhead who wants to censor advertisements using the same logic as the anti-bin liner people.

[Giggles]

Some more bad Muslim driving in Germany.

[Kikó]

Worse than women drivers.

Right?

[John]

Giggles being the first person to post about a foreign news story is sobering.

[Giggles]

Giggles being the first person to post about a foreign news story is sobering.

Popped up on Twitter.

[Lewis]

#Pray4Luca

No official description of the van driver yet as far as I can see, so Coulter's Law is a GO.

[Shindig]

Caught him alive which is more than what the yankees south would manage.


Alek Minassian, 25, was not previously known to authorities, police said.

The incident appeared to be deliberate but the motive was not clear, officials added.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-van-attack-driver-profile-alek-minassian-1.4632435

Oh, he's an Elliott Rodger fanboy.

[phonics]

Caught him alive which is more than what the yankees south would manage.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-van-attack-driver-profile-alek-minassian-1.4632435

Oh, he's an Elliott Rodger fanboy.

988540736709779456

He tries to commit suicide by cop repeatedly and the Canadian just refuses to shoot him and tackles him to the ground :cool:

[Shindig]

Mr Minassian had previously attended a school for students with special needs in north Toronto, former classmates said.

He would be seen walking around Thornlea Secondary School with his head down and hands clasped tightly together making meowing noises, Shereen Chami told Reuters.

Okay, he's on the spectrum as well.

[Lewis]

That copper should have just wasted him.

[phonics]

LOL OF COURSE HE'S A FUCKING INCEL.

These MRA/INCEL nutters are going to be doing this sort of stuff for years to come. We'll be living with the administrative decisions of Reddit and 4Chan for decades.

[Lewis]

The worst thing about this, other than not being able to stick it to the Muslims as hoped, is all the shit you're going to have to read (I will cleverly avoid it) from wallies Googling all these terms and then coming up with a NARRATIVE.

'The majority of forum-dwellers are peaceful, law-abiding...'

[phonics]

Watching 'normies' discover incels over the past 24 hours has been quite funny.

989088751522639872

Mate...

99.8% of them are just lonely losers with no-one to talk to. They're not the Red Army.

[Lewis]

There probably is top trolling value in somebody setting up a 'moderate anon' (or whatever) group and trying to get on the news repeating all of the Good Muslim talking points.

[Magic]

What an amazing twist. :D

[Magic]

Involuntary celibate. :D

[Shindig]

I can only think of Rodgers, this guy and the German who crashed the plane into the Alps as notable incels.

[Pepe]

Has it been blamed on privilege yet?

[Spikey M]

I can only think of Rodgers, this guy and the German who crashed the plane into the Alps as notable incels.

Mahow.

[wullie]

Their militia will be kitted out in waistcoats and fedoras.

[Raoul Duke]

I can only think of Rodgers, this guy and the German who crashed the plane into the Alps as notable incels.

Brendan?