Do we live in a golden age of television?

[Lofty]

I have found it alright but not sure why everyone is calling for Bella Ramsay to win awards for that last episode. It wasn't especially stand out for me.

[Gray Fox]

Final episode watched. It definitely needed a longer season to flesh it out for me. Joel and Ellie in this kind of felt like acquaintances rather than the father/daughter relationship from the game, until this episode. It felt like the only real time they connected well.

It's been a pretty good and true adaptation of the game so far. Though Pedros' Joel seems to be more of a broken good man trying to keep his shit together, rather than the more morally ambiguous man trying to make the best of it in a world gone to shit, like in the game.

Some more spoilery thoughts:

I thought they made Joels choice in this episode quite a bit less righteous than the game. He openly guns down unarmed folk here, whereas in the game he only really kills where he has to. He only finishes Marlene in the game to put her out of her misery, rather than the cold way here.

I also feel like the tone of the shows Ellie drastically changed. Everything up to this episode suggested the shows Ellie would very much support what Joel does, but she does a 180 on that here.
I can only imagine this will serve to provide narrative to season 2. Which for me is a little annoying. The point of Joels choice is that it's an impossible one. He's neither a good man or a bad man, he is just trying to do his best. The second game and by the looks of it, second season retcon that into Joel = bad.

I'm also not sure I'm sold on the casting of the main two parts. Lastly, I get that the whole point of the games is that the humanity that remains is far worse than the infected are, but it's almost like the infected disappeared completely since Episode 5. Some more sightings of them would have been great.

[Shindig]

Nah, the last words Joel gives to Marlene in the game is, "You'd just come after her." It wasn't a mercy killing. Neither was killing a room full of medics. Or shanking the guard watching him. He did the latter because the guard was a bit mean to him.

Joel is a very bad man indeed and that reputation follows him through both games.

[Lofty]

The Rise and Fall on 4 is The Traitors on steroids.

[Ian]

Last of Us:
I definitely didn't feel Joel was righteous in the game. I felt like a bad man doing a bad thing.

It's a decent show but I've no idea where some of the adoration it's getting is coming from.

[Shindig]

Cutting her mushroom head open in the game without any MRI scans or tests is dumb. The way her immunity is implied in the series gives them an easy out.

Immunity invitro! So ... does that mean we can just breed our way out of the pandemic using Ellie? Who cares!? GET HER ON THAT OPERATING TABLE. BRAIN OUT.

The game barely touched on the cause of the outbreak to focus on the people. The series has to explain stuff like the roundtable cordyceps discussion or Ellie's infection. Maybe that's the product of being on TV for a broader audience but it's not like TV can't be smarter than that.

[phonics]

Is there a reason that mandalorian season 3 isn’t receiving even half the attention the other two did?

I’m just on episode 1 and it seems to be of the same quality as the other seasons.

[Yevrah]

Is there a reason that mandalorian season 3 isn’t receiving even half the attention the other two did?

I’m just on episode 1 and it seems to be of the same quality as the other seasons.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MidRtk8clp8

[phonics]

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[Yevrah]

The TLDR is that Disney have fucked the franchise so much no one cares about any of it anymore.

[Lofty]

I think, aside from The Drinker fishing for sweet views, Disney didn't help by mixing it up with Boba Fett. The Mandalorian is one of the strongest shows they have, I'd argue stronger than the Marvel shows because MCU stuff needs you to have seen the other stuff to grasp what is going on, but a lot of SW stuff is happening in far removed sections of the time line to the films and other series so you don't need to know too much.

The Last of Us having the same lead and only just finishing likely adds to the less tangible reaction so far.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

I do say this from a position of ignorance given I've not actually watched any of the later Star Wars stuff that's come out, but, I get the feeling Alec Guinness was right in that clip from Parkinson when he said people are going to read too much into it all.

[Giggles]

Andor made up for all the other latter guff.

[John Arne]

The new Waco documentary on Netflix doesn't present anything new, however, it really reinforces the fact that both sides were fucking mental. The cops are fucking idiots and the people inside are fucking loopy paedos.

[Boydy]

Finished The Last of Us over the weekend. I enjoyed it. It's not the best show ever but it was pretty good. I haven't played the games so don't know the storyline from them or care if it sticks to that or not.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Nothing (other than Succession obvs) is going to be the best show ever on the current model of TV production, so it's usually the needless marketing hype that does for these things.

[Spikey M]

The new Waco documentary on Netflix doesn't present anything new, however, it really reinforces the fact that both sides were fucking mental. The cops are fucking idiots and the people inside are fucking loopy paedos.

It is the most American thing that ever happened. It's lacking in racism, but otherwise it's just vintage Murika.

[Alex]

I also watched all of the Last of us recently (right after the last episode aired, whenever that was) and echo what Boyd has said. It's good but people are also massively overrating it at the same time. Particularly the episode with Nick Offerman. I'm not saying it wasn't good, it was a good episode. But all the "best episode of television EVER!" talk that flooded the internet straight after it aired? No.

I watched both seasons of White Lotus very quickly afterwards too. The first season was excellent. The second season not so much. Still pretty good, but more of a 7/10 affair. It just felt like they were trying to recreate lightning in a bottle after season one. They shouldn't have brought the Jennifer Coolidge character back either. She was brilliant in season one and annoying as fuck in season two.

Anyway, the undisputed cream of the crop (Succession) has now returned to make all other television obsolete for a couple of months. :cool:

[Kikó]

I think I actually preferred season two to season one of white lotus but I can see why you'd like it the other way round.

[Boydy]

I started season two of The White Lotus a while ago but decided I couldn't be arsed with it. The first one was alright but I didn't really get the massive fuss about it.

[Manc]

Season 1 is about as good as it gets.

[Bernanke]

Greg was in top form in the Succession premiere. :cool:

[Lofty]

I started Power and am impressed, late to the party I know. As said above makes you laugh that TLOU is being hailed as the best TV show ever with a copy paste of a game plot whilst a show like Power really sticks the landing with multiple plot threads in season one.

[Baz]

Greg was in top form in the Succession premiere. :cool:

It’s back? :youpi:

[Baz]

Just rewatched the finale of season 3. :drool:

Also, Soccer AM has been cancelled. Final episode is 27th May.

[Boydy]

Three episodes into Blue Lights and absolutely loving it.

[Shindig]

My favourite aspect of Waco is how thick Koresh sounds.

[Giggles]

After what I thought was a weak start, Picard has been a huge improvement on the previous 2 series. I hope they don’t fuck it up with a stupid ending.

[Baz]

Workaholics aside, I really do not rate American comedy shows at all but I’m really really enjoying I Think You Should Leave with Tim Robinson on Netflix.

[Lofty]

Mandalorian with some unexpected A List cameos this week.

[Kikó]

After what I thought was a weak start, Picard has been a huge improvement on the previous 2 series. I hope they don’t fuck it up with a stupid ending.

I'm about 4/5 episodes in and it's more Star Trek (or a feature film version of TNG) than the first two series. I'm not sure on the worf/rafe side story as they have zero chemistry but I'll keep faith.

[Waffdon]

How are C4 getting away with a show similar to Naked Attraction but instead they’re getting their kit off to kids? What the fuck :lol:

[Don]

Sounds fairly standard for the times we live in.

I don't know if there are any Race Across the World watchers but after 2 very good series set across Asia and South America, their latest offering has them merely criss-crossing across Canada. Now ignoring the stereotypes of them all being dull people in a dull country, they've managed to remove all the language and cultural interest points that were fundamental to the show's success and it's now just a montage of gammons car-sharing with gammons. So fucking pointless.

[Browning]

Mandalorian with some unexpected A List cameos this week.

It was weird for them to have 3 cameos in a show that hasn’t really had them before but I thought the episode was incredible.

[Manc]

Sounds fairly standard for the times we live in.

I don't know if there are any Race Across the World watchers but after 2 very good series set across Asia and South America, their latest offering has them merely criss-crossing across Canada. Now ignoring the stereotypes of them all being dull people in a dull country, they've managed to remove all the language and cultural interest points that were fundamental to the show's success and it's now just a montage of gammons car-sharing with gammons. So fucking pointless.

The SA edition won't ever be topped. The highlight being the couples not being able to enter Ecuador due to "civil unrest".

[Lofty]

How are C4 getting away with a show similar to Naked Attraction but instead they’re getting their kit off to kids? What the fuck :lol:

Yeah the ad for that is insane. Take away the cameras and it's noncery. C4 really just pitch anything with cocks and fannys out, as if anyone wanting that doesnt already have it at their fingertips.

[wullie]

I still enjoy the Race show and it's nice seeing places I've been but the single country format where everyone can speak your language does mean it suffers compared to the other series. Hiring cars should be banned for future series too, fuck that.

[Yevrah]

I was chatting with a mate last night on Skype while he was watching it and his biggest complaint is that it just wasn't a race. Things like "it's been 22 hours since we last moved on". I mean, why?

[Don]

We're told every 5 mins "in a country with little public transport..." to ominous music so presumably it's some third world out there and me having to watch some old absent father be a cunt to his now adult daughter for the 4th time as some sort of filler is neccessary.

[Boydy]

How are C4 getting away with a show similar to Naked Attraction but instead they’re getting their kit off to kids? What the fuck :lol:
I saw a bit of that the other night. Honestly, it was quite good. They're teens in the show, like, and there's nothing sexual about it. It's just like "this is what normal people's bodies look like" and is probably a necessary corrective to porn (which they're absolutely watching already) and social media influencers.

[Lewis]

The last line slightly muffled being bundled into a police car.

[Giggles]

It was weird for them to have 3 cameos in a show that hasn’t really had them before but I thought the episode was incredible.

Who was the third after Black and the Doc?

[Spikey M]

Henry, GS, now Boyd. Why are all the board nonces from Northern Ireland?

[Shindig]

Pavel's also from Top Ireland.

[Spikey M]

We need a Dispatches episode on this, and on how noncey Vicars and Priests are to blame, immediately.

[Boydy]

It's basically a PSHE lesson, you freaks.

[Spikey M]

*rapes a toddler*

"They have to learn about the birds and the bee's somehow".

[Giggles]

The backlash against all this woke paedo shite is encouraging.

[Browning]

Who was the third after Black and the Doc?

Lizzo as Black’s wife. Admittedly I only knew that from looking it up afterwards.

[Giggles]

Lizzo as Black’s wife. Admittedly I only knew that from looking it up afterwards.

In an afterthought I thought it might be her as she had a charisma on screen.

[Ian]

All this talk about a TV show about the human body is making me SICK. Can't imagine anything more unnatural than a human body.

[Giggles]

All this talk about a TV show about the human body is making me SICK. Can't imagine anything more unnatural than a human body.

Depends who you’re telling. Don’t be a paedo at the very least.

.

[Giggles]

You can’t go on with this kind of shite because some cunt with a nose ring thinks they want things their own way.

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[Spikey M]

Subscription only Giggs, but I'm sure it's fine as long as it's natural. Children shouldn't be treated like, erm, children.

[Yevrah]

I haven't seen this paed fest tv show, or even an advert for it, but lol at the idea of Channel 4 doing something like that for educational reasons.

[Giggles]

It was basically teaching 12 year olds what rimming and Cleveland steamers were as part of the curriculum in an attempt to be woke, but normality has prevailed.

.

[Shindig]

Channel 4's always been that kind of PROGRESSIVE shambles. Remember the live autopsy? Remember the reality show that was Dermot O'Leary trying to keep people awake?

[Giggles]

I haven't seen this paed fest tv show, or even an advert for it, but lol at the idea of Channel 4 doing something like that for educational reasons.

Once anyone sees C4 and education in the same sentence they should immediately end it.

[Yevrah]

Channel 4's always been that kind of PROGRESSIVE shambles. Remember the live autopsy? Remember the reality show that was Dermot O'Leary trying to keep people awake?

The autopsy was one of the things I had in mind when questioning their motives now. Like fuck did they do that for educational reasons.

[niko_cee]

Haven't they got one now where people have to live entirely in the dark [I sort of think this has been done before but as some sort of experiment on some poor hardman character who ended up being reduced to ruin by it]?

[Raoul Duke]

Channel 4's remit when it was created was to create programming for minority groups, hence it's always been a bit left field

[Disco]

You wouldn't get away with writing 'monkey tennis' today, it's no longer implausible enough.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That live autopsy show was really good tbh.

[Baz]

Wait what’s Lizzo in? :drool:

[Bernanke]

Wait what’s Lizzo in? :drool:

:sick:

[Gray Fox]

That is not The Way.

[Baz]

Greg was in top form in the Succession premiere. :cool:

Even more so in episode 2.

The sog factor. :lol:

[Bernanke]

Even more so in episode 2.

The sog factor. :lol:

I did the job. I did the job.

[Alex]

Logan's "I love you, but you are not serious people" was such a top-drawer put down to the kids in that episode. They're really not.

[Bernanke]

He's an asshole, but he's right.

[Alex]

An advert has just alerted me to the fact that some bright spark at ITV has designed to green light a dramatisation of "The Hunt for Raoul Moat'.

I'll just be honest, if there's a scene that depicts Gazza bringing him a KFC mega bucket and a fishing rod then I will probably watch.

[Alex]

He's an asshole, but he's right.

He's absolutely right. I imagine in real life being in a situation where you're a self made man to the sort of level Logan is and having children must be strange. Surely a large part of you is always going to think they're entitled little cunts.

The highlight of that episode though was Connor banging on all the time about wanting to go to a karaoke bar and when he finally gets to one singing "Famous Blue Raincoat". :D

[Spikey M]

An advert has just alerted me to the fact that some bright spark at ITV has designed to green light a dramatisation of "The Hunt for Raoul Moat'.

I'll just be honest, if there's a scene that depicts Gazza bringing him a KFC mega bucket and a fishing rod then I will probably watch.

If there isn't then we riot. They could probably get Gazza in to act it personally.

[Mike]

I’d rather watch a series about Gazza taking him a KFC and a fishing rod.

[Yevrah]

Still surprised the police didn't go for the Gazza + Mega Bucket + Fishing Rod tactic.

Moat was clearly a Proper Football Man and as such, there's no way he would have unloaded his sweet shells into Paul Gascoigne.

[Shindig]

Whilst being accompanied by Bob Mortimer and Paul Whitehouse.

[Ben]

Three episodes into Blue Lights and absolutely loving it.

Agreed. Absolutely brilliant.

[Bernanke]

2nd and 3rd episodes of Succession has to be up there with the peak of Breaking Bad or so.

Was sure for so long it was gonna be a fakeout, but this is such a good way to open up the story for the rest of the season. Bloodbath incoming.

[Ben]

I haven’t started series 4 yet but even still, Succession is in that top tier already.

[Kikó]

As much as I love succession, season 4 for me has felt a bit greatest hits so far. Great one liners but aren't we still doing the same thing over and over again?

[Bernanke]

As much as I love succession, season 4 for me has felt a bit greatest hits so far. Great one liners but aren't we still doing the same thing over and over again?

Watch episode 3.

[Kikó]

Yeah I've just been reading elsewhere it's stunning.

[Kikó]

Oh. Fuck.

[Baz]

I went round my cousins yesterday and his lad was watching a cartoon on Netflix called Oddballs. Couldn't stop laughing at it.

As children’s cartoons go, it’s no Teen Titans Go, but it’s pretty funny.

[Ben]

Started Rabbit Hole last night. Typical batshit 100mph American stuff but it's enjoyable.

[Bernanke]

Anyone watched Raised By Wolves?

[Ian]

Finished Sandman. It's alright, isn't it? Has wildly variable episode-to-episode quality but when it's bad it's not much worse than a bit weird and dull and when it's good it's really good.

Might finally make a start on Succession next since everybody's banging on about it again.

[Alex]

Anyone watched Raised By Wolves?

I watched the first season and liked it. It had some elements of really good sci-fi in there, and one particularly memorable section of the opening episode that very much hooked me in. It got a bit mental and convoluted as the season went on but it was still worthwhile.

I then waited until season two was done with the plan to watch them all in quick succession and it got fucking cancelled so I've not yet bothered as I don't imagine it got a proper ending.

[Jimmy Floyd]

(@ Ian) You won't regret it. If you can get through the Greg-induced cringe of the first 3 or 4 episodes then a treasure trove of pure gold awaits.

[Alex]

Finished Sandman. It's alright, isn't it? Has wildly variable episode-to-episode quality but when it's bad it's not much worse than a bit weird and dull and when it's good it's really good.

Might finally make a start on Succession next since everybody's banging on about it again.

I thought the same about Sandman. It jumped up and down quality wise but overall I still liked it. The best episode was definitely (for me anyway) the one with the bloke who lives forever and meets up with him every century or whatever, I loved that one.

Also, is it just me or did the entire cast of Goodness Gracious Me turn up in it at some point? It had a very strong cast of British talent in general, to be honest.

On the latter point, get on it. You can't make a start soon enough.

[Baz]

Do it Ian.

Did you ever watch those Taskmaskers?

[Ian]

Oh yes I did. Well, up tom series 2. Haven't given 3 a bash. I didn't think NZ2 was among my favourite serieseses but it was really good and David Correos had some excellent moments in it.

[Adramelch]

Finished Sandman. It's alright, isn't it? Has wildly variable episode-to-episode quality but when it's bad it's not much worse than a bit weird and dull and when it's good it's really good.

Might finally make a start on Succession next since everybody's banging on about it again.

I'm just waiting till it's all out. Only like a month or so left I think. But I am a binge-watcher so there's that.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Beef has appeared on Netflix and seems to have good reviews, can anyone confirm if it's worth a watch?

[Bernanke]

I watched the first season and liked it. It had some elements of really good sci-fi in there, and one particularly memorable section of the opening episode that very much hooked me in. It got a bit mental and convoluted as the season went on but it was still worthwhile.

I then waited until season two was done with the plan to watch them all in quick succession and it got fucking cancelled so I've not yet bothered as I don't imagine it got a proper ending.

Oh it's cancelled? Fuck that then.

[Giggles]

Picard episode 9 nostalgia horn :drool:

Though fuck right off killing Shaw

[wullie]

We like to try the Walter Presents stuff to be all fancy and that, last few we watched were Torn (https://www.channel4.com/programmes/torn), a French show with stunning scenery where a woman returns to her old home town and her old boyfriend immediately throws his existing life away to jump on her, someone dies but not all is as it seems and one of the characters is a Michelin star chef.

Just followed that with A Deadly Union (https://www.channel4.com/programmes/a-deadly-union), a French show with stunning scenery where a woman returns to her old home town and her old boyfriend immediately throws his existing life away to jump on her, a few people die but not all is as it seems and one of the characters is a Michelin star chef.

It's the variety we love most.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's just the lived experience of literally every French person tbf.

[niko_cee]

If there isn't then we riot. They could probably get Gazza in to act it personally.

There isn't, there was a news story about it the other day. That's not 'the story' they're trying to tell.

I have no idea why you'd make that story without it though, the rest of it is just unrelenting misery as far as I can see [soz the late PC Rathbone].

[Raoul Duke]

Started Westworld recently - just getting into the 2nd series now. First one was great but I kinda wish they'd stayed a bit more in the "before" than jump quite quickly to the "after". The world was great and I loved the setting and how the humans acted within the world, more than the other stuff.

I kinda feel like it hits a bit different in a world with ChatGPT seemingly getting ready to turn into Skynet any day

[niko_cee]

How many series did they make of Westworld in the end? Think I started out on 3 [or the last one if there was a 4th] when it appeared, but it was so long after I'd seen the first two/three that I had insufficient recollection to piece together the frankly baffling plot.

[Ian]

I watched series 1 of Westworld and thought it was good but a lot less good than aot of people thought. Then series 2 happened and Christ almighty it was boring. Couldn't see that one through.

[Raoul Duke]

I have a pretty high tolerance level for things containing copious nudity and robots, so I'm still working through it. There are four seasons from what I can see. Apparently Aaron Paul is in the next one so I assume it'll be him mooching about calling robots "Bitch" quite a lot

[Baz]

Episode four of The Wire has hooked me in, with the scene where McNulty and Bunk are figuring out the shooting in the kitchen. Excellent television.

Big fan of Bunk and the lesbian who I think is called Keema.

[Shindig]

:nod: I need to give it a rewatch.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Love the Bunk. Wendell Pierce probably the most underrated actor in it.

[Baz]

Love the Bunk. Wendell Pierce probably the most underrated actor in it.Theyre all pretty good.

The drunk old cop whose partner got finished for injury probably the absolute peak. When he was about to chuck himself downstairs as the others arrived and he did a little twirl, I was howling.

The guy with the polish name (prez?) who figured out the pager codes is also absolutely excellent.

Only bad actor is the judge who McNulty knows and, kinda, McNulty.

(Based on 5 episodes in season 1)

[Baz]

Oh wow Johnny Weeks is Telly from Kids! Didn’t realise til he cut his hair.

The virgin surgeon, baby!

[Kikó]

Picard episode 9 nostalgia horn :drool:

Though fuck right off killing Shaw

What an episode. Perfectly ramped up and executed.

[Baz]

2 months free Apple TV for new and existing customers: https://redeem.apple.com/appletvjennifer-gb

You can cancel it straight away in your Subscriptions and still get the 2 months free.

[Manc]

I'm in the mood for something wild and came across Kingdom. Any good?

[Shindig]

That Roaul Moat thing is predictably a bit bollocks. Does a good job of showing the retarded, "Cop killers, yay!" mentality swimming around but they've made a 3-parter out of a manhunt that lasted less than a week. So the episodes go as thus:

1. Moat shoots people.
2. Police find the village he's in.
3. Chicken and fish.

All his accomplices act thick as fuck.

[Yevrah]

I watched the first two episodes last night.

First problem was the actor playing Moat looks like a RADA approximation of him rather than the utterly terrifying beast the real man was. Secondly, and as you say, the story does not warrant a three hour dramatisation and thirdly, I was left feeling what is the point of this?

True crime stuff is good, but if the well has run dry just leave it for a bit.

Only Gazza and his fishing rod can save it now.

[Shindig]

He wasn't that much of a beast, to be honest. They do seem to slice in how much favour he had with the tinpot communities he lived in. At the end of the day, he was a twat that went to prison for battering a 9 year-old.

[Yevrah]

He may well not have been, but he certainly looked like he was.

[Shindig]

That's probably because the one photo the coppers had on file had him in good shape. What else can an actor go off? There's even a line in the script where the coppers say, "He's lost the beef."

[Yevrah]

No problem with the actor's performance, he just doesn't look as threatening as he did in real life, or at least from the wealth of photos available. Ergo, they should have cast someone else.

[Giggles]

The Mandalorian needs to go away and never come back now.

[Yevrah]

:D What's it done?

[Giggles]

That ending.

[Spikey M]

Can confirm the Raoul Moat thing was a load of shite.

[Yevrah]

Didn't even have Gazza in it.

[Shindig]

They couldn't even get Ray Mears. A man actually involved in the manhunt.

[Yevrah]

I've watched half of the Boston Marathon bombing documentary on Netflix and it's pretty good. Not far off the part that became one of the greatest nights in TTH history.

Was that on this board? If so, what thread is it in?

[phonics]

As someone who waited for all the episodes. Cannot understand what people were so angry about. I assume a bunch of the far-right weirdos were annoyed about Lizzo turning up for 10 minutes but the ending seemed perfectly Star Wars and returned it to being able to go back to what it was originally, a Monster of the Week show.

[Ian]

I thought Mando was pretty up and down this series but I don't really know what's wound a load of people up about the finale. Not as good as series 2 but that was a very high bar they set. I thought it was decent fun and tying off a load of loose ends to go back to being more episodic stories as Phonics says isn't a bad thing.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I just finished the last two episodes of The Mandalorian and didn't have a problem with it. I thought it was rather good.

[Gray Fox]

I thought this Mandalorian season was less consistent than before. I still enjoyed it, but there were a few points of irritation in it.

Biggest one for me:

Din Djarin removes his helmet and is chastised by The Armourer. He has to go on the quest to redeem himself and be allowed back in the tribe.

Yet, disgraced former royalty Bo-Katan turns up having accidentally performed the same ritual of redemption, but The Armourer tells her to take the helmet off and it'll be fine.

Building up to and then finally revealing Moff Gideon to be still alive, only to eviscerate him again an episode later is also a bit annoying. More Giancarlo is better.

[Ian]

I thought this Mandalorian season was less consistent than before. I still enjoyed it, but there were a few points of irritation in it.

Biggest one for me:

Din Djarin removes his helmet and is chastised by The Armourer. He has to go on the quest to redeem himself and be allowed back in the tribe.

Yet, disgraced former royalty Bo-Katan turns up having accidentally performed the same ritual of redemption, but The Armourer tells her to take the helmet off and it'll be fine.

Building up to and then finally revealing Moff Gideon to be still alive, only to eviscerate him again an episode later is also a bit annoying. More Giancarlo is better.


We as good as new Gideon was alive two or three episodes in and then we found out somebody had got into his prison ship in 4 or 5? That bit didn't really bother me.

And I assume Bo Katan only gets a pass because of the Darksaber.

[Raoul Duke]

Mandalorian

I liked the season overall, and they had to make Grogu more than just a comedy prop as it was getting boring.

I didn't really get what happened with the Dr guy. Was the implication that they kidnapped him and used his research, hence the clones? They seemed to spend a whole episode focussing on him and then he disappeared. I might have missed it somehow

[Gray Fox]

We as good as new Gideon was alive two or three episodes in and then we found out somebody had got into his prison ship in 4 or 5? That bit didn't really bother me.

And I assume Bo Katan only gets a pass because of the Darksaber.

That's another thing. She finally gets it and is shown to be a badass then it's immediately gone!


Mandalorian

I liked the season overall, and they had to make Grogu more than just a comedy prop as it was getting boring.

I didn't really get what happened with the Dr guy. Was the implication that they kidnapped him and used his research, hence the clones? They seemed to spend a whole episode focussing on him and then he disappeared. I might have missed it somehow

The woman working with Gideon fried his brain at the end of the episode. But yeah that's the implication and it sets the ground work for the cloning of Palpatine and Snoke etc

[Baz]

Season 2 of The Wire done. Certainly won’t be watching that again.

Good job season 1 was so good, otherwise I’d think this was the longest prank in internet history.

Mike gave me his seasons best to worst as ‘4,1,2,3,5 - Maybe switch 2 and 3’ so I’m not looking forward to 5, but 4 should be a corker. Will start 3 tonight.

[Jimmy Floyd]

2 is 1000% better in hindsight than it is on first watch. It's a jarring gear change at the time but once you've watched the rest it makes so much more sense.

3 and 4 are largely more like 1.

[Baz]

Hopefully.

Had a good think about it and the worst part about season two is the police woman who is basically just reading her lines.

[Baz]

Plex was down yesterday so couldn't watch the Wire, and instead finished season 2 of Clarksons Farm. It did not reflect well on the council.

Really shows what you can do with unlimited money, doesn't it.

[CJay]

Silo. Apple TV+. Get on it.

Severance vibes.

[Boydy]

Looking forward to that, I really enjoyed the books.

[Manc]

I've picked up Deutschland 83 again. Scintillating stuff.

[Baz]

Anyone watched Bupkis with Pete Davidson? Meant to be Entouragey.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Succession e7 insanely good. Most of the series has been good but this was another level.

[Bernanke]

Succession e7 insanely good. Most of the series has been good but this was another level.

That balcony scene is up there with the best arguments between Tony and Carmela.

[Baz]

2 is 1000% better in hindsight than it is on first watch. It's a jarring gear change at the time but once you've watched the rest it makes so much more sense.

3 and 4 are largely more like 1.

Season 3 is frankly ridiculous. :rosebud:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Ridiculously good? If so I agree. 'We ain't gotta dream no more' one of the best scenes ever in TV.

[Baz]

Ridiculously good? If so I agree. 'We ain't gotta dream no more' one of the best scenes ever in TV.I'm only about halfway through, I think, but the storyline whereit's perfectly legal to sell and take drugs in specific roads is a bit daft.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd take it as a meditation on what would happen if somebody tried to make an idealistic change to the system, rather than anything that would necessarily happen in reality. I bet some cops have tried it somewhere, mind.

[wullie]

I think it was suggested in real life Baltimore at whatever point, but only very briefly without being given any serious consideration past that.

[Alex]

Looking forward to that, I really enjoyed the books.

I'm about two thirds of the way through the first one at the moment and quite enjoying it.

[Baz]

Season 3 is frankly ridiculous. :rosebud:Okay it ended well. Redeemed. Onto season 4 tonight.

Still staggering how bad season 2 was in comparison.

[Spikey M]

I've been ploughing through The Last Kingdom recently. It's solid, but it feels a bit like the Writers of Merlin had a go at writing Game of Thrones.

Going to give Vikings: Valhalla a go afterwards.

[Raoul Duke]

I've been ploughing through The Last Kingdom recently. It's solid, but it feels a bit like the Writers of Merlin had a go at writing Game of Thrones.

Going to give Vikings: Valhalla a go afterwards.

I really like it. There's a movie out as well as the series, FYI

[Alex]

I've been ploughing through The Last Kingdom recently. It's solid, but it feels a bit like the Writers of Merlin had a go at writing Game of Thrones.

Going to give Vikings: Valhalla a go afterwards.

Obligatory "Destiny is all!" post.

This reminds me I need to watch the film.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah I still haven't watched the film either.

I'll chuck in an obligatory UHTRED SON OF UHTRED.

[phonics]

It's very good. Not in comparison to actual films but if you want more Last Kingdom, it does what it says on the tin. A series of events where Utred goes 'Don't do X or bad things will happen' and then they do X and somehow its Utreds fault that bad things happen.

Also btw Alex new mini series of Justified this summer.

[Ben]

I enjoyed The Last Kingdom and that kind of thing is very not my bag.

[Serj]

Yeah, The Last Kingdom, while clunky in places and definitely past its peak in the last season, maintained its quality better than Vikings, I thought. With the latter there were several points during seasons 5 & 6 when I almost quit watching.

Yet to watch the TLK film, though.

[Baz]

Although only at the start of season four, I'm keen to hear peoples opinions on The Wire's best-to-worst season order. Please no spoilery discussion, just some numbers would suffice. I think I'll end up 14532 but that's based on being four episodes into 4, and obviously seeing nothing of 5.

[wullie]

2 as the best is the hill I'll die on, 5 worst. Can't remember which of the rest I like most

[Ben]

It's been a long time since I watched and my order would probably change if I watched again. But off the top of my head it would be 4-3-5-1-2. I didn't have a hatred for season 2 like you have, it was good but didn't have the great finale like subsequent seasons did.

[Jimmy Floyd]

1, 2, 3 and 4 are all Great with a capital G. 5 is merely good. That's my take. I can't order the first four as it's different on each rewatch.

[Max Power]

4 has an added emotional heft with the kids that nudges it to the top for me.

43125

[Shindig]

31245

[Spikey M]

Yeah, The Last Kingdom, while clunky in places and definitely past its peak in the last season, maintained its quality better than Vikings, I thought. With the latter there were several points during seasons 5 & 6 when I almost quit watching.

Yet to watch the TLK film, though.

I'm on Season 5 now and it is definitely a drop off in quality. I'm not sure why they're turning Uhtred into such a bitch, either. Geezer has sobbed his way through every episode so far.

Should finish it tonight anyway. Film Tomorrow.

[Mike]

41225. Maybe swap 2 and 3. Maybe swap 4 and 1

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I believe my ranking was always 4, 1, 2, 3, 5.

4 was definitely my favourite with 5 as the worst.

[Baz]

Worrying seeing everyone say 5 is worse than 2. :uhoh:

[Boydy]

2 is brilliant. Frank Sobotka is a legend. You've just got shit taste.

[Jimmy Floyd]

2 is disorienting on first watch because it seems like a different show to what you were watching in 1, but once you've seen the rest it makes total sense. The key is that it isn't a cop show, it's a show about urban decay.

5 is more of a parable and so fans of gritty realism look away now.

[Mike]

Yeah, the second time you watch 2, it’s brilliant, it was just such a change that it was rough the first time around.
5 is a good season of a normal show, it just had such a high bar set by the other seasons. And it helped us all understand the correct use of evacuate.

[Bernanke]

I came into this thinking you were ranking Last Kingdom-seasons and was very confused all the way up to Frank Sobotka.

[Raoul Duke]

The crossover series we all want to see

[Shindig]

The docks is a Kingdom of lost products.

[igor_balis]

1, 2, 3 and 4 are all Great with a capital G. 5 is merely good. That's my take. I can't order the first four as it's different on each rewatch.

I'm currently on my billionth re-watch, and yeah, this is what I think too.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The 4th and most recent rewatch I did (last year, I think, or maybe 2021) was one of the most rewarding TV experiences I've ever had. Got far more out of it certainly than the first couple of times. I think that speaks partly to familiarity with who's who and what's happening (which is hard to follow first time especially if you're a Brit and not in with the lingo), and partly to the fact that I'm older and know more about life.

[igor_balis]

5 is more of a parable and so fans of gritty realism look away now.

S5 Spoilers

I think there are a lot of problems with the final season. The McNulty serial killer plot is the obvious one, but equally important I think was the lack of development of the Newspaper characters. I never really cared about any of them, although Gus was alright I suppose. Possibly a symptom of them only having 10 episodes to work with. The only truly redeeming part of the serial killer plot was Norm pissing himself laughing and saying he wished he was still at the paper so he could write about it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

S5 Spoilers

I think there are a lot of problems with the final season. The McNulty serial killer plot is the obvious one, but equally important I think was the lack of development of the Newspaper characters. I never really cared about any of them, although Gus was alright I suppose. Possibly a symptom of them only having 10 episodes to work with. The only truly redeeming part of the serial killer plot was Norm pissing himself laughing and saying he wished he was still at the paper so he could write about it.

I agree on the newspaper characters, and also don't think it helps that it has dated worse than the other seasons - although the newspaper (like every other Baltimore institution covered in the series) is decaying, I don't think it quite captures what we now know which is that that entire world is heading very rapidly for the glue factory in a way that even the docks are not. If it had been made 5 years later it might have done so I guess. I also think there's quite a lot of Iraq and the concerns of the Iraq-era left/dems woven into the narrative (re truth and lies) which doesn't quite hit now in the way that the more timeless problems of S1-4 do.

[wullie]

Gus:

I found him to be overly noble about his trade, like an avatar for David Simon that stood out a bit too much to be true. I remember The Newsroom was so rife with that kind of thing it felt like one big parody

[igor_balis]

I agree on the newspaper characters, and also don't think it helps that it has dated worse than the other seasons - although the newspaper (like every other Baltimore institution covered in the series) is decaying, I don't think it quite captures what we now know which is that that entire world is heading very rapidly for the glue factory in a way that even the docks are not. If it had been made 5 years later it might have done so I guess. I also think there's quite a lot of Iraq and the concerns of the Iraq-era left/dems woven into the narrative (re truth and lies) which doesn't quite hit now in the way that the more timeless problems of S1-4 do.

Yeah, agreed on all counts. Another issue is that I think a lot of the newspaper plotline was a chance for David Simon to settle personal grudges, with Gus a bit of an overly cool self-insert.

[igor_balis]

Gus:

I found him to be overly noble about his trade, like an avatar for David Simon that stood out a bit too much to be true. I remember The Newsroom was so rife with that kind of thing it felt like one big parody

haha snap

[Disco]

I tolerated 4 because of how good 1-3 were and the less said about 5 the better, annoying from start to finish.

[phonics]

I don't think any show has let me down more than The Newsroom. It thought it was so important while being so full of shit that, in a way, it almost perfectly captured why the media became irrelevant to the zeitgeist over night. Just watch this scene:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypsQO3dFiB8

Also on the sly probably the most sexist, anti-woman show never to be criticsed for it.

[Shindig]

Nobody gave that a pass and thought, "Why would the disruptive passenger be allowed to see the pilot?" Or, "There's a plane full of people reading the news? All at the same time?"

[Spikey M]

I don't think any show has let me down more than The Newsroom. It thought it was so important while being so full of shit that, in a way, it almost perfectly captured why the media became irrelevant to the zeitgeist over night. Just watch this scene:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypsQO3dFiB8

Also on the sly probably the most sexist, anti-woman show never to be criticsed for it.

The entirety of traditional media has disappeared up its own arsehole. Hollywood being the worst for it. It's quite something that the best TV/films these days are dubbed / subtitled foreign efforts.

[wullie]

Speaking of foreign TV


We like to try the Walter Presents stuff to be all fancy and that, last few we watched were Torn (https://www.channel4.com/programmes/torn), a French show with stunning scenery where a woman returns to her old home town and her old boyfriend immediately throws his existing life away to jump on her, someone dies but not all is as it seems and one of the characters is a Michelin star chef.

Just followed that with A Deadly Union (https://www.channel4.com/programmes/a-deadly-union), a French show with stunning scenery where a woman returns to her old home town and her old boyfriend immediately throws his existing life away to jump on her, a few people die but not all is as it seems and one of the characters is a Michelin star chef.

It's the variety we love most.



Just started Vanished by the Lake (https://www.channel4.com/programmes/vanished-by-the-lake), a French show with stunning scenery where a woman returns to her old home town and her old boyfriend immediately throws his existing life away to jump on her, however it appears someone has disappeared rather than died and nobody's yet a Michelin chef so it's a real breath of fresh air.

[hfswjyr]

I don't think any show has let me down more than The Newsroom. It thought it was so important while being so full of shit that, in a way, it almost perfectly captured why the media became irrelevant to the zeitgeist over night. Just watch this scene:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypsQO3dFiB8

Also on the sly probably the most sexist, anti-woman show never to be criticsed for it.

No doubt the scene is cheesy as hell, (along with a whole lot of the final season) but The Newsroom had some brilliant TV escapism moments and was downright funny in other bits.

[Disco]

It was even further up it's own arse than the West Wing but without any of the charm, huge suits, or Martin Sheen.

[Ian]

I think I'm just over halfway through the first season of Succession now and (hot take) I am quite liking it. It's full of detestable cunts of course, all being unrelentingly awful to each other, but the writing and performances are good enough to get over that hump (I don't always get on with shows where the characters have so few redeeming features.)

The episode with the vote of no confidence on Logan was brilliant and they ramped the tension up superbly, the best of the episodes I've watched so far.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think that no-confidence episode was the point when it went (in my mind) from 'yeah, not bad' to 'fucking hell this is amazing' and it basically maintains that quality relentlessly from then until the penultimate episode which has just aired.

[Bernanke]

Yeah, the only real dip is early to mid S3, where they are spinning their wheels a bit, but at worst that is around where it was at early S1. The consistency and payoff of this last season is ridiculous.

[Ian]

I think that no-confidence episode was the point when it went (in my mind) from 'yeah, not bad' to 'fucking hell this is amazing' and it basically maintains that quality relentlessly from then until the penultimate episode which has just aired.

Certainly it's the first where I was actively thinking how good it was rather than how competently done it all is so if that's the sign of things to come then great.

[Boydy]

Once Upon a Time in Northern Ireland is absolutely fantastic (so far anyway, I've watched two of five episodes now).

[Ben]

Is it well balanced? A mate mentioned this yesterday and I'll probably give it a go at the weekend.

[Boydy]

Yeah, it's got people from all sides in it. There's been republicans, loyalists, British soldiers, victims. All just telling their own stories. It's not an easy watch though.

[Spikey M]

It is indeed a horrible accent.

[Alex]

Also btw Alex new mini series of Justified this summer.

I've been waiting for this for ages! I knew it had been in the pipeline for a while but glad to see it has an actual release date. I will miss Boyd (I assume he won't be in it) and the interplay between them but Olyphant can carry it by himself easily.

[Boydy]

More Justified? I completely missed that post before.

[hfswjyr]

Series finale of The Marvelous Mrs Maisel tomorrow. Thank you to whoever in this thread convinced me to watch it. I'm not ready for it to end... I'm going to miss all these characters.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, it's got people from all sides in it. There's been republicans, loyalists, British soldiers, victims. All just telling their own stories. It's not an easy watch though.

I'd skip episode 4 if you've struggled with the first 2.

the footage of the funeral kicking off is absolutely brutal

[Boydy]

Which funeral's that? I've probably seen most of the footage before. It's the people telling their own stories that gets to me. That woman whose brother was killed on Bloody Sunday and her father was also shot (but survived) trying to help her brother in the first episode and Michael McConville in the second episode had me in bits.

[Spikey M]

The one with the cunt chucking grenades about. Then the following one where they found a couple of British soldiers in a car.

I don't know if spoilering a documentary is necessary, but I don't want to... erm... ruin(?) It for anyone.

[Boydy]

Ah right, yeah. I thought of the second one when you mentioned funeral. Had forgotten about the first one.

[Spikey M]

What was the extent of your exposure to this shit growing up Boyd? Any relatives directly involved / affected, etc?

Obviously if you don't feel comfortable answering that, then no worries like.

[Boydy]

Nah, no relatives actually involved in anything. As far as I know anyway.

One uncle was in the RUC but I think he had a relatively cushy job in it. Although I think he was at the drumcree stand-off in the 90s (which was pretty mental, I remember my tiny little village having the road burnt from petrol bombs/barriers being erected and two shops in the village that were owned by Catholics being targeted). I vaguely remember a Catholic family on my estate being targeted and possibly burnt out around the same time as well.

I think another uncle was in the UDR but I've never asked about it.

But no one ever actually in paramilitaries or caught up in bombs, thankfully. North Antrim was a relatively quiet area of the country.

[Lewis]

With the benefits of hindsight, partition should have been accompanied by massive population transfers. Bottom Ireland successfully cleansed itself of potentially restive elements by becoming a Catholic theocracy, but we just sat there like wallies and let them move around. Something to bear in mind for the future, but equally weird in period considering that the British delegation to the Paris Peace Conference warned against putting millions of Germans behind new borders because it was a recipe for aggro down the line.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Started on Letterkenny last night and polished off the first season today.

It's incredible, I sometimes find it a little hard to understand them (mainly because of the Canadian slang) but I'm loving it. Wayne in particular is a real highlight.

Also, Katy :drool:

[Bernanke]

Started on Letterkenny last night and polished off the first season today.

It's incredible, I sometimes find it a little hard to understand them (mainly because of the Canadian slang) but I'm loving it. Wayne in particular is a real highlight.

Also, Katy :drool:

Best thing is that Shoresy somehow turned out even better as a show. Keeso is a genius.

[Kikó]

Finished succession tonight. One of the best series ever easily.

[Bernanke]

Finished succession tonight. One of the best series ever easily.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMSvd1Ht26E

:nodd:

[Jimmy Floyd]

I thought the ending was perfect.

[Ian]

I managed to scroll past quickly enough in case but if that was spoilery can we pop it in tags for the slowcoaches who are still early in the show?

EDIT: Mostly the video, I can scroll past anything that appears to be a comment but the embeds are a bit more obvious.

[Spikey M]

I can't believe Roman and Kendall both died. :(

[Shindig]

Watched that One Upon a Time in Northern Ireland this week. Not much else to say beyond how fucking dirty the whole conflict felt. Really frank interviews as well.

[Ian]

I can't believe Roman and Kendall both died. :(

:cry:

[-james-]

New I Think You Should Leave is fantastic.

[Baz]

New I Think You Should Leave is fantastic.

Yep. Tim Robinson’s so funny. How does he even think of some of it.

[-james-]

I've been lolling every time I think of the Driving Crooner.

[Baz]

Me too :D

[Raoul Duke]

Series finale of The Marvelous Mrs Maisel tomorrow. Thank you to whoever in this thread convinced me to watch it. I'm not ready for it to end... I'm going to miss all these characters.

Think I might have been the OG cheerleader for this (via my wife).

Finished it today. The last series was great overall I thought. Really interesting to see things evolve and some of the subplots (Zelda and the kids) were well done. Easily one of the best shows I've seen, across almost every dimension. One of the only ones where it's a joy to watch the camera work.

[igor_balis]

YouTube is doing that thing where it decides I should be exclusively watching clips from some old telly show. I enjoyed the run of the algorithm getting me to practically rewatch the entirety of the sopranos, this time it's The Thick of It.

Loved the show at the time, but watching scenes back now...hmmm. I dunno. Bit overwritten for me, Clive. Especially Malcolm, and especially latter seasons Malcolm. It's a bit how I feel about later Peep Show - it's sorta trying to do the bleak, dry hyperrealistic thing, while also having a very zingery, unrealistic script. Still very funny at times, like late era prep show, but it just feels a bit off to me. Nicola isn't an amazing character either.

[Baz]

Not gonna lie, season 5 of The Wire feels up there.

Only 4 episodes in though so I’ll reserve judgement.

[Ian]

I just finished series 1 of Succession. That final episode was not at all what I expected. And that final scene. Crikey

[hfswjyr]

Think I might have been the OG cheerleader for this (via my wife).

Finished it today. The last series was great overall I thought. Really interesting to see things evolve and some of the subplots (Zelda and the kids) were well done. Easily one of the best shows I've seen, across almost every dimension. One of the only ones where it's a joy to watch the camera work.

Well thank you then. (And your wife)
I didn't realise how much I liked the show until half way through the last season when I realised there wasn't going to be anymore. It was only then I realised I was really going to miss it.

[SvN]

Is there no love for Stath Lets Flats? I searched and saw RL say it was shit, and nothing else. I watched all 3 seasons over the past few weeks and I laughed more than I have at any sitcom. It's childish, silly and relies on a lot of physical comedy, but aren't comedies meant to make us laugh?

I loved it - and I reckon it'll have plenty of rewatch appeal, too.

[Ian]

I think I watched three episodes and wasn't having a terrible time but it didn't hook me enough to stick with it.

[wullie]

I really liked it, the incredibly stupid little world they created.

[igor_balis]

Not gonna lie, season 5 of The Wire feels up there.

Only 4 episodes in though so I’ll reserve judgement.

seen any more?

TBF, after wanking on about why it's shit with Jimmy Floyd and co the other day, I've actually reached S5 on my current rewatch and I'm enjoying far more than I've ever done before. The pacing is all over the place, but it does make the episodes quite fun. Plot strands that would have taken half a season previously are introduced and resolved in a fucking episode.

[Baz]

seen any more?
2 to go I think. Love it. 5 >>>

[Baz]

2 as the best is the hill I'll die on, 5 worst. Can't remember which of the rest I like most

This is an unbelievable take. :nono:

[wullie]

Let 5 settle and you'll come round.

[Ian]

Succession:
Oh Christ, Kendall's rap. :D

Also love about a minute later Roman revealing he's bought Hearts and it turns out Logan's a Hibs fan.

[Bernanke]

Succession:
Oh Christ, Kendall's rap. :D

Also love about a minute later Roman revealing he's bought Hearts and it turns out Logan's a Hibs fan.

Since I stan dad, I'm alive and well :dance:

[Baz]

New I Think You Should Leave is fantastic.

Episodes 2 and 3 of Season 3 are absolute peak comedy.

Tim Robinson is amazing. :lol:

[Alex]

Since I stan dad, I'm alive and well :dance:

Shout out to his boy Squiggle for cooking up the beat.

:rave:

[Lofty]

The new series of Black Mirror is a mixed bag. Not too much of a fan of the slide into supernatural rather than technology. I also feel that the later stuff with the increased budget has been more an excuse for Brooker to just recreate the British High Street circa 1980.

[Ben]

Black Mirror jumped the shark as soon as Netflix got its hands on it, as usual.

[Spikey M]

It's main problem - and it has been for some time, but this series is worse than ever - is predictability. I saw most storylines coming a mile off.

Beyond The Sea and Loch Henry in particular.I didn't see the Mazey Day ending coming, but that's not enough to stop it from being comfortably the worst episode.

[Max Power]

I thought Joan is Awful was good because it was actually quite funny, and not just build up for an attempted “emotional gut punch” ending.

[hfswjyr]

Finished Succession last night. What an ending. That musical motif is used across the whole series, but never feels dated.

Have also been following along on Black Mirror. I thought Loch Henry was excellent television.

[Shindig]

I've read too much of Charlie Brooker over the years to ever really get on with him. He's always had the hint of the gimp on the back page of PC Zone writing, "Pissy poo piss." as every punchline.

[wullie]

I enjoyed Black Mirror at first but when they took it to Netflix and bloated the episode length it put me off, looking at the episode list I only watched one of the 2017 series and that's as recent as it got. Stranger Things having a 2.5 hour episode can fuck off as well

[Shindig]

As an aside, I've just ready Brooker's System Shock review from 1994. Hey, I know getting a six page review for a 90s PC game is a rough ask but I can't have him cramming jokes in (and then explaining said joke) to boost his word count.

Maybe that's why Netflix bloats their episodes. For engagement and advertising space.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Netflix is a strange beast. Everything on there, whilst often enjoyable, is just... saccharine? I don't know. There's never anything with a real intellectual heft to it. It's all painting by numbers. I probably sound like a cunt saying that, but fuck it.

[Spikey M]

It's a strange mix of virtue signalling and whatever straight to tv/dvd shite was going cheap. Every platform having their own streaming service doesn't help in the quality stakes, unfortunately.

[CJay]

I only subscribe to Netflix for the period when Stranger Things is released. Nothing anyone has told me about in between those times has sounded worth it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think it's hard not to conclude that the eponymous golden age of television might finally be grinding towards its conclusion. All good things get swallowed by corporate avarice.

[SvN]

Only two episodes into Black Mirror's lastest season, and I think both have been good so far. Loch Kenny was brilliant, actually.

[Lofty]

Beyond the Sea is good too. Then it declines.

[Yevrah]

I suspect part of Brooker's problem may be that having made it and become a very successful and very rich individual, he's lost his edge.

[Manc]

I think it's hard not to conclude that the eponymous golden age of television might finally be grinding towards its conclusion. All good things get swallowed by corporate avarice.

A long time coming imo. TV peaked in the early noughties and has been on a slow decline ever since.

[Magic]

The TV licence guy came to my door today. I just told him I play the PlayStation and I don't need one. :harold:

They'll be getting the door closed on them next time.

[Spikey M]

The TV licence guy came to my door today. I just told him I play the PlayStation and I don't need one. :harold:

They'll be getting the door closed on them next time.

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