Do we live in a golden age of television?

[Raoul Duke]

Andor getting really good this week :drool:

[Lewis]

Did anybody see that Channel 4 programme 'Afghanistan's Top Porn Star'? She obviously needed to get out of her Muslamic life, and lol at her family getting away with trying to kill her, but the circumstances of her life since escaping seem a bit suspect to me. If she had just sort of stumbled into internet grot then fair enough, but there was a definite whiff of being similarly brainwashed by her new partner into it all.

[Don]

Any tasty footage? I've got an almighty hangover horn and unable to have a release for another solid 5 hours so I really didn't need to be made aware of this slag :drool:

[randomlegend]

"unable to release for another solid 5 hours" - what?

[Don]

You dirty eunuch.

[Spikey M]

You must stop being so cryptic Taz.

[randomlegend]

Nah I don't get it. He's in a situation where he can post on TTH and watch porn but not have a wank?

[Yevrah]

He's on a promise/got a whore coming round and doesn't want to blow his load before then.

[Ben]

If I had someone coming round then there'd be a tactical wank for sure.

[Don]

It's not unheard of for me to utilise public/airplane toilets but not today. Glad to report all is well now.

[Shindig]

I wasn't expecting that Adam Curtis Russia thing to have so many open caskets.

Everywhere has always been fucked. That's the conclusion I'm getting from part one.

[Baz]

I'm enjoying Taskmaster. Dara O'Briaiaian is surprisingly good.

[Giggles]

I think so, it's a while since I watched the end, fair to say there are quite a few things from the main films that crop up at various points. Didn't bother with the film either and the internet seems unsure where it would sit so I would just ignore it.

8 episodes in and I had forgot that Binks would be surely making an appearance :moop:

[Boydy]

No one over 16 should be watching Star Wars, specially not animated Star Wars.

[Spikey M]

No one over 16 should be watching Star Wars, specially not animated Star Wars.

It was bad enough when it was 20 and 30 something birds obsessing over Disney Princesses, but the mainstreamisation of Comicon shite is an actual hate crime.

Harry Potter marathon around the corner, huns? Xoxox

[Shindig]

There's a couple in the office spending a three week honeymoon at Disneyland. I can't imagine a worse hell.

[Giggles]

Considering one of the busiest threads on here is for the WWE then there are far greater crimes than watching a cartoon.

[Spikey M]

I would say they're on a par, but atleast rasslin is largely watched with a tongue in cheek.

[Baz]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-11-2017/-m16Mw.gif

[Shindig]

I would say they're on a par, but atleast rasslin is largely watched with a tongue in cheek.

Yeah, that's fair. There also the fact that wrestling is now a live event. Goofy's not going off script to say he's old, hurt and works with children. Donald Duck's not going to call Mickey Mouse a jealous old bastard on live TV. Cinderella's not falling from her balcony whilst the crowd shouts "This is awesome! <clap> <clap> <clap> <clap> <clap>

If Disney starts a wrestling federation, we're fucked.

[Kikó]

People can also enjoy what they want IMO

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Don't be a thicko, Spikey tells us what we can and can't enjoy.

[Spikey M]

People can also enjoy what they want IMO

Don't personally back child porn fans, but you do you lad.

[Kikó]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyh7xxoPHC1qfhzgyo2_r1_250.gifv

[Boydy]

It was a joke about Giggles' arbitrary age rules such as no one over 30 should be having kids.

People can enjoy Star Wars (and Marvel films) if they want, sure. Fill your boots. I'm still going to think they're overgrown man-children though. And that these franchises have pernicious effects on the media industry in general.

[Giggles]

Andor getting really good this week :drool:

:drool: :drool:

[niko_cee]

I seem to have stumbled into some sort of mid-90s vortex after the NFL show on ITV in the form of The Motorbike Show.

[Manc]

A bit of blue for the dads.

[Ian]

Andor getting really good this week :drool:

I've only just started this last night but it's off to a reasonable start.

That was after finally finishing Umbrella Academy series 3 which was a bit of a slow burn but finished quite well.

[Raoul Duke]

The latest Andor was great as well

[wullie]

In proper golden age TV news, Neighbours has been saved by Amazon. Good lad, that Bezos

[Lewis]

They shuffled half the characters on in the last few episodes, and also implied that Guy Pearce and Kylie Minogue were moving back to the street, so there might be a casting problem there unless they want to throw Amazon money at it and actually hire them.

[Giggles]

I really wish Andor wasn’t over.

[randomlegend]

Only just realised Gangs of London season 2 is out :drool:

[Ben]

That's on my watchlist. I was thinking about adding Tokyo Vice (BBC) as well; it's got that lad from Baby Driver in and the reviews are really good.

[Kikó]

Finished Pam and Tommy yesterday. Really good mini series, worth the time.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Watched the new docuseries Pepsi, Where's My Jet the other day. Hadn't heard of the story before and it made for a good documentary. Much like most of Netflix's stuff though it's a little on the long side.

Didn't like the Pepsi executives (most of which were former execs now), they came across as dicks at times and far too much like company men.

[Spikey M]

Watched the new docuseries Pepsi, Where's My Jet the other day. Hadn't heard of the story before and it made for a good documentary. Much like most of Netflix's stuff though it's a little on the long side.

Didn't like the Pepsi executives (most of which were former execs now), they came across as dicks at times and far too much like company men.

It's an enjoyable watch, but I agree. No need for 4 episodes. 2 would have been fine.

there's no way he should have lost that case. They were clearly aiming the "offer" at kids by making it a school boy in the advert. But even if they did think it was obviously a joke, it should be their responsibility to make sure that it's clear to all. Stupid people can buy Pepsi, so saying "it's obvious to anyone reasonable" is a complete non-solution.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's an enjoyable watch, but I agree. No need for 4 episodes. 2 would have been fine.

there's no way he should have lost that case. They were clearly aiming the "offer" at kids by making it a school boy in the advert. But even if they did think it was obviously a joke, it should be their responsibility to make sure that it's clear to all. Stupid people can buy Pepsi, so saying "it's obvious to anyone reasonable" is a complete non-solution.

The judge seemed completely shit. Wouldn't even let them depose people, bet she had a couple of cases of Pepsi waiting for her at home after.

[Raoul Duke]

I really wish Andor wasn’t over.

That was great, right? Started off slow but was fantastic by the end.

According to IMDB there's a season 2 gonna happen :cool:

[Boydy]

Finished The Sopranos over the weekend. It really does deserve all the praise it gets.

Got nothing to watch now though.

[SvN]

It's better with ever rewatch. Better get started.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Detectorists coming back for a Christmas Special :cool:

[phonics]

Not a particularly original thought but Andor was really fucking good.

Everything in Star Wars that isn't Jedi/Force/Light-Dark Side dogshit is just so much better than everything else.

[Alex]

I finished The Americans the other day. Overall a great series. There was a point where it was, whilst by no means at all bad, I don't know, just sort of dragging a bit. Seasons four and five maybe. Still very watchable but not as engaging as the earlier seasons. The final season was great though and they really stuck the landing with the ending.

As good a pair of leads in a series as I've seen in quite some time. Absolutely great use of music to soundtrack certain sequences throughout the whole show too, they were consistently really strong on that.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I still need to finish it.

I originally stopped a while back in season 4 and then picked it back up again last year I believe and ended up stopping about halfway through season 6.

Not sure why I stopped either time though as I do really like it.

[hfswjyr]

I finished The Americans the other day. Overall a great series. There was a point where it was, whilst by no means at all bad, I don't know, just sort of dragging a bit. Seasons four and five maybe. Still very watchable but not as engaging as the earlier seasons. The final season was great though and they really stuck the landing with the ending.

As good a pair of leads in a series as I've seen in quite some time. Absolutely great use of music to soundtrack certain sequences throughout the whole show too, they were consistently really strong on that.

Every time I hear "With or Without You" now, I'm instantly transported to that moment on the train platform.
Or Tusk and the chase.

[Giggles]

The new series of The Crown is a bit boring so far, and some of the actors just really don’t suit.

[Spikey M]

Has Phil arranged the hit yet?

[Ben]

Half way through the second series of Gangs of London and it’s even more mental than the last in terms of brutally killing every fucker in sight.

[Yevrah]

Watched David Baddiel's Jews don't count and found it fascinating. Highlight was the not at all Jewish Bradley Cooper 'Jewing up' for a role in a recent film with a honking prosthetic nose.

[Lewis]

The big nosed, exotic creature in the room is that the reason why anti-Semitism is seen as less serious than 'other forms of racism' is that Jews are seen to be white, and, consequently, anti-Semitism is more akin to saying the French are rude than making the sort of anti-black point that would see you drummed out of public life within minutes. His argument - that the relatively successful Jewish people can still be victims of racism because of historical oppression - only works if you accept that 1) white people can be victims of racism from non-white people; and 2) that historical conditions have little or no relevance to contemporary outcomes (which then requires him to answer what does). I don't think he believes either of those, so it just sounds like him pleading for extra victim points within a framework he ought to disregard, but can't because his mates might start assuming he votes UKIP.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Why does it follows he has to accept 2? (sorry it could be obvious, my brain is shot at this time of day)

[Lewis]

If racism victim status is predominantly based in historical oppression, and the modern legacies of that oppression, then whatever explains contemporary Jewish success[es] must also explain the comparative failures experienced by other minority groups - be it culture, 'natural intelligence' (for lack of a better term), or whatever. If the explanation for the inferior life outcomes of black people is held to be institutional and/or structural racism, which it generally is by the sort of people who he is aiming his argument at, then the Jews have clearly not suffered in the same way, and, yeah, maybe anti-Semitism isn't as bad as 'other forms of racism'.

[Spikey M]

Aren't the children of African Immigrants the most likely group to go to university these days? With working class white British being the least likely.

Whatever the answer is to this stuff is - it's parenting, obviously - it isn't as simple as ethnicity, as the success of second generation African-British people is world's away from their Caribbean counterparts.

[mikem]

If racism victim status is predominantly based in historical oppression, and the modern legacies of that oppression, then whatever explains contemporary Jewish success[es] must also explain the comparative failures experienced by other minority groups - be it culture, 'natural intelligence' (for lack of a better term), or whatever. If the explanation for the inferior life outcomes of black people is held to be institutional and/or structural racism, which it generally is by the sort of people who he is aiming his argument at, then the Jews have clearly not suffered in the same way, and, yeah, maybe anti-Semitism isn't as bad as 'other forms of racism'.

This sounds like a bad faith reading of whatever argument you are are parodying. History wasn’t one size fits all so any modern outcomes presenting would be different. People who recognize that bigotry is less a factor of so and so over there is evil than weird historical pressures should be able to make that distinction. And Baddiel is asking “if you can recognize that, why do we on the left so often not recognize anti-semitism?”

[Lofty]

The Traitors is excellent, the amount of people's brains that have melted within days is quality :D

[Raoul Duke]

If racism victim status is predominantly based in historical oppression, and the modern legacies of that oppression, then whatever explains contemporary Jewish success[es] must also explain the comparative failures experienced by other minority groups - be it culture, 'natural intelligence' (for lack of a better term), or whatever. If the explanation for the inferior life outcomes of black people is held to be institutional and/or structural racism, which it generally is by the sort of people who he is aiming his argument at, then the Jews have clearly not suffered in the same way, and, yeah, maybe anti-Semitism isn't as bad as 'other forms of racism'.

Parklife

[Lewis]

This sounds like a bad faith reading of whatever argument you are are parodying. History wasn’t one size fits all so any modern outcomes presenting would be different. People who recognize that bigotry is less a factor of so and so over there is evil than weird historical pressures should be able to make that distinction. And Baddiel is asking “if you can recognize that, why do we on the left so often not recognize anti-semitism?”

How would you answer that question?

[mikem]

In regard to anti-semitism, specifically? People are not very analytical and don’t like questioning their priors or criticizing their friends.

Here is an example from the UK. From this Guardian editorial:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/24/jeremy-corbyn-antisemitism-labour-zionists-2013-speech

Yesterday the Daily Mail showed footage of Corbyn addressing the conference, on the topic of British Zionists. He mentions an impassioned speech made at a meeting in parliament about the history of Palestine that was “dutifully recorded by the thankfully silent Zionists who were in the audience” (audience members he presumably knew nothing about). So far so bad. But it gets worse. He goes on to say that these unnamed Zionists in the audience “clearly have two problems. One is they don’t want to study history, and secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony either … So I think they needed two lessons, which we can perhaps help them with.”

How do all my friends on the left read this and not see “probably all their lives” and somehow fundamentally unable to be English and not just go “umm Jeremy, what the fuck man?” You don’t have to get rid of him or say he is irredeemable, or whatever, but you have to say “that’s a fucking weird and racist statement man.” We all say dumb shit but people don’t like criticizing their friends.

[Browning]

The Traitors is excellent, the amount of people's brains that have melted within days is quality :D

Enjoying it too, they're playing with absolutely zero logic, just throwing shit at the wall.

It was fucking hilarious how long they banged the "BUT THEY LIED TO US" drum for the couple... and yet it took them 2 days to get rid of 1. Also I don't get why Aaron hasn't pointed out that the girl who keeps gunning for him is chatting shit. She keeps accusing him based on the fact "he knew Nikki was innocent and so wanted to appear innocent himself" but not once has anyone pointed out the guy he voted for over Nikki was also innocent... oh well.

[Lewis]

But what are their priors and who are their friends in relation to not recognising anti-Semitism if not basically what I said - that they have blunt frameworks for what is and isn't racist, and Jews, being ostensibly white and powerful, don't fit them? I don't think there is a lack of analytical thinking being done. Quite the opposite. It takes a look more mental effort to craft an 'anti-Zionist' point about dual loyalty and the Israeli lobby than it does to call black people lazy criminals. It's just that Jews don't fit their frameworks, so it's easier to just exclude them or put them in the white and Western column than to re-think their wider worldview, which then makes them fair game for racism.

[igor_balis]

I will probably bore you all with more to back my argument up tomorrow, but baddiel is a disingenuous, dangerous idiot. I'm sure he has suffered antisemitic abuse, and obviously I sympathize, and there probably is a book and/or documentary to be made about how antisemitism gets sorta underplayed compared to other prejudices in the UK in the 21st century, but not by that idiot.

[John Arne]

I will probably bore you all with more to back my argument up tomorrow, but baddiel is a disingenuous, dangerous idiot. I'm sure he has suffered antisemitic abuse, and obviously I sympathize, and there probably is a book and/or documentary to be made about how antisemitism gets sorta underplayed compared to other prejudices in the UK in the 21st century, but not by that idiot.

I read that it took him 20 years to apologise to Jason Lee for blacking up as him, but only apologised as promo for said programme.
Sounds like a right dickhead.

[Ben]

I thought it was common knowledge that he's a prick? The documentary is right that for some reason anti-Semitism is seen as a less severe form of racism (but there is a big problem with people associating pro-Palestine with anti-Semitism) but they could have picked a much more genuine person to do the documentary with. David Baddiel is the reason I haven't watched it.

[wullie]

There was an interview where he complained that the cast of Friday Night Dinner weren't all Jewish. Apart from Tom Rosenthal who is, but he isn't vocal enough about it so he can be disregarded. That's black footballer David Baddiel, author of Jews Don't Count.

[Shindig]

He spent years setting up Frank Skinner for Jew jokes.

[Jimmy Floyd]

People complaining about the cast of things not being the same *insert identity category* as the characters they're playing really annoys me. Isn't the whole point of acting that you're pretending to be someone else? I would have thought it would promote understanding to inhabit the space of a different person.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, it's absolute nonsense, but the point Baddiel was making that no one cares about actors doing it with Jews yet all hell regularly breaks loose when another minority is involved.

As for anyone not liking Baddiel, I don't see that as a reason not to watch the documentary.

[Ben]

Why not? I already get the general gist of what the documentary is trying to get across (and I agree with it), but by not watching I don't have to see/listen to Baddiel, so win-win unless there's an unbelievable anecdote or some uncharacteristic wit in there.

[Lewis]

Doesn't the suitability of non-Jews playing Jews depend on - for lack of a better term - how Jewish they are? Some Methodist nerd could play David Baddiel without incident, but the same person in a plasticine nose kvetching his way through a Woody Allen biopic might be an issue.

[phonics]

Jared Leto got to play an Italian.

[Lofty]

That fella blacked up as an indian in Short Circuit.

[Disco]

And the guy who voiced Johnny 5 isn't even a robot, you couldn't make that film these days.

[mikem]

But what are their priors and who are their friends in relation to not recognising anti-Semitism if not basically what I said - that they have blunt frameworks for what is and isn't racist, and Jews, being ostensibly white and powerful, don't fit them? I don't think there is a lack of analytical thinking being done. Quite the opposite. It takes a look more mental effort to craft an 'anti-Zionist' point about dual loyalty and the Israeli lobby than it does to call black people lazy criminals. It's just that Jews don't fit their frameworks, so it's easier to just exclude them or put them in the white and Western column than to re-think their wider worldview, which then makes them fair game for racism.

Ah, I think you are describing the Enlightenment thinkers like Locke and not most people. If you are writing tracks about the fundamental equality of man then you have to square the fact that you also invest in chattel slavery and write the Charter for the colony of South Carolina. Out come the calipers and the Enlightenment creates scientific racism. That group of people are engaging in what you describe as frameworks.

Most people are not engaging in thought at all because they ask no questions. They just take facts they “know” and jam them together into idiot sandwiches. They just know “Soros is a Jew”, “Soros is a banker”, “Jews like Jewish shit”, and “Israel is Jewish shit.”. Smash it all together in some bad pattern recognition and there you go. No questions like “how do 13 million people control all the newspapers, media companies, banks, and universities?” I mean, there are only about 4-5 million Jews who live outside of Israel. There simply are not enough of us to control all the shit that the majority of people just take for granted we do. No thought involved at all. Pattern recognition isn’t thought.

Now present people with something like Corbyn’s dumb statement or Kanye’s dumb shit and people just react instinctively. They are not engaging any framework they may claim. They actively don’t engage it because they get emotional about defending their friends, tribe, or whatever. If they did engage a framework it would all fall apart.

[Manc]

I've been thinking of having another pop at TWD. Initially dipped out halfway through S4 a few years back. Is it worth me going back to the beginning, or should I just crack on?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Did any TTHer watch it to the end (it's not still going is it?)? There was a lot of us watching at one point but I think we all gave up.

I dipped out halfway through season 8 and the only regret I have is not doing it sooner. Such a shame as it had so much promise.

[Yevrah]

I watched the first season and it wasn't for me, but for those who did like it what was it that killed it?

[wullie]

The main thing for me was it disappearing off to Disney+. With it on Sky I was still watching the odd episode when I could be arsed but thankfully they made the decision for me not to bother any more. I think stormtrooper lookalikes had just showed up so not sure how long ago that was but I must have held out longer than most.

[Waffdon]

Did any TTHer watch it to the end (it's not still going is it?)? There was a lot of us watching at one point but I think we all gave up.

I dipped out halfway through season 8 and the only regret I have is not doing it sooner. Such a shame as it had so much promise.

Episode 24 of season 11 was aired in November apparently. Fuck me.

[Raoul Duke]

I've been thinking of having another pop at TWD. Initially dipped out halfway through S4 a few years back. Is it worth me going back to the beginning, or should I just crack on?


Did any TTHer watch it to the end (it's not still going is it?)? There was a lot of us watching at one point but I think we all gave up.

I dipped out halfway through season 8 and the only regret I have is not doing it sooner. Such a shame as it had so much promise.


I watched the first season and it wasn't for me, but for those who did like it what was it that killed it?


The main thing for me was it disappearing off to Disney+. With it on Sky I was still watching the odd episode when I could be arsed but thankfully they made the decision for me not to bother any more. I think stormtrooper lookalikes had just showed up so not sure how long ago that was but I must have held out longer than most.

I watched it all. It starts off brilliantly then goes to shit around series 7-8 (when you have all The Kingdom people and the Junkyard dickheads) but then 9 and onwards are much better once Sam Morton turns up and is actually a menace. It actually ends pretty well (certainly no GoT-level tomfoolery).

There's a bunch of unfulfilled plot ideas that go nowhere and could have easily been the main thing (like where this all started and why), but it focusses mostly on the characters, of which there are some excellent ones. Ok, mostly Daryl :cool:

[Kikó]

Has it finished?

I gave up when Negan (?) was torturing everyone. Nearly gave up when the Asian guy magically wasn't eaten when he was hiding in a bin.

[wullie]

Did Heath ever show back up? He just went away one day and was never mentioned again

[Raoul Duke]

Heath got kidnapped and traded by the Junkyard knobheads apparently, but I don't even remember him

[Manc]

Any fans of Dark? Binged S1 in the last few days. What an absolute mind fuck.

[Kikó]

Just started to rewatch it but the dodgy box version I have is only English dubbed which is really annoying.

[SvN]

Dark is brilliant, but I had to keep a notepad of who was who whenever I was watching it.

[Pepe]

I watched season 1. They created a great, tense atmosphere, but the ending leading into season 2 seemed like a load of nonsense, so I stopped watching right there.

[Alex]

I watched season one and loved it and by the time season two came around had forgotten almost completely the various intricacies of what the fuck was going on. I remember thinking at the time "I need to come back to this when it's completely done and just watch the whole thing ". But then have not thought about it again until right now. So I guess that is now on the agenda.

[Kikó]

Has anyone watched orphan black? It's highly rated but been pretty questionable so far.

[phonics]

I thought it was pretty great. She's a terrific actress. It's trash but good trash.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

I watched season one and loved it and by the time season two came around had forgotten almost completely the various intricacies of what the fuck was going on. I remember thinking at the time "I need to come back to this when it's completely done and just watch the whole thing ". But then have not thought about it again until right now. So I guess that is now on the agenda.

Glad to see it wasn't just me in this boat.

Think season 2 had been out for ages before I realised, took long enough I think.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Has anyone watched orphan black? It's highly rated but been pretty questionable so far.

I liked it with Tatiana Maslany being brilliant but I stopped watching in season 3 I believe.

I really should pick it back up.

[Boydy]

Just finished Bad Sisters. It's so good.

[mo]

Just finished bingeing The Recruit on Netflix - loved it, like a less serious Homeland crossed with Bourne.

[Ian]

I've watched one episode of Peacemaker and I'll give it this: that's an unexpectedly great opening credits sequence.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:nodd:

It might be one of my favourite opening credits ever.

[randomlegend]

I've watched one episode of Peacemaker and I'll give it this: that's an unexpectedly great opening credits sequence.

I loved Peacemaker, it's great.

[Lofty]

Apparently Gunn said they wanted to make a credits scene no-one ever skipped.

[Kikó]

I've never skipped it so it works.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I never skipped it and I even watched it a few times in YouTube after.

[Spikey M]

Bit sad m8.

[Manc]

S2 of Dark boxed off. Can't help but feel in an effort to tie up loose ends the show has gone over the edge. It remains gripping, but S1 was fucking flawless tele.

[Baz]

Anyone a fan of The Young Ones.

I got the new blu ray for Christmas and loving it.

The racist copper skit aside, I guess.

I’ve seen it before but never full episodes, and not for a long time. Rik Mayall is so funny in it. Neil is also outstanding.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah it's brilliant.

[Manc]

Binged Squid Game over the past few nights. Phenomenal.

[Don]

Just finished Severance and Bernanke was bang on comparing it to the heights of early Lost, incredible stuff. Now just give me a final second series that gives me all the answers but for now, just let me bask in this glorious afterglow.

[Manc]

What platform is Severance on?

[Boydy]

Apple tv

[Manc]

7 day free trial here I come.

[Boydy]

Slow Horses is good too while you've got it.

[Baz]

7 day free trial here I come.

Let me know if it gets good after episode 2 (where I gave up).

[Lofty]

Anyone a fan of The Young Ones.

I got the new blu ray for Christmas and loving it.

The racist copper skit aside, I guess.

I’ve seen it before but never full episodes, and not for a long time. Rik Mayall is so funny in it. Neil is also outstanding.

Had them on DVD years ago. Rik and Vyvian arguing about Rik being a virgin :D

[Baz]

Had them on DVD years ago. Rik and Vyvian arguing about Rik being a virgin :DWatched the vampire episode last night. Mike’s “yeah :uhoh: I’m concerned on behalf of Neil and Rik” when it was announced that vampires only kill virgins was great.

I’m really enjoying it. Season 1 was probably noticeably better, but 2 is still good. Neil creating the shopping list “we need everything except urine samples, green globules and super mousse” “everything? okay…lentils…wallpaper…” :lol:

And the whole thing with Viv and Neil trying to get the lentils out the cupboard without breaking all the crockery had me in stitches.

Great show. Actually really enjoying the Alexei Sayle characters/interruptions too.

[Shindig]

Have you seen Bottom?

[Baz]

Have you seen Bottom?Of course. I feel like that’s much more slapstick (but still absolutely hilarious) whereas Young Ones is a bit more gag-heavy.

[Boydy]

7 day free trial here I come.


Slow Horses is good too while you've got it.
Forgot Bad Sisters is on Apple tv as well. Get it watched too.

[Giggles]

Slow Horses series 1 was good. Haven’t got to the 2nd yet.

[Yevrah]

Just signed up for 9 months free of Apple TV, so I'll be getting on that.

[Yevrah]

What else is worth watching on Apple TV?

[Baz]

Just signed up for 9 months free of Apple TV, so I'll be getting on that.

How so many?

[Yevrah]

I got 6 months through Sky (which admittedly involved signing up to and downloading their filthy app) and 3 months from a new iPhone.

[Ian]

What else is worth watching on Apple TV?

Severance is meant to be really good.

[Boydy]

What else is worth watching on Apple TV?

Ted Lasso and Mythic Quest.

Not seen it or any reviews of it but that new Will Smith film about slavery called Emancipation is on there. Might be worth a look.

[Alex]

What else is worth watching on Apple TV?

For All Mankind is the best thing on Apple TV and (in my opinion) one of the best current things on television full stop.

[Giggles]

For All Mankind is the best thing on Apple TV and (in my opinion) one of the best current things on television full stop.

Can’t believe I forgot that one. Worth it on its own.

[Alex]

Can’t believe I forgot that one. Worth it on its own.

I'm just over half way through season three at the moment and although it does get a bit daft in places (see below) it's still fantastic and infinitely watchable.

All three of them ending up racing to Mars and basically getting almost there within a relative stones throw of each other was a bit silly.

[Yevrah]

5 episodes into Ted Lasso and it's the most feelgood thing I've seen in a long time.

[Lofty]

Happy Valley excellent as always.

[Yevrah]

Is all of this latest series available yet Lofty?

[Giggles]

I'm just over half way through season three at the moment and although it does get a bit daft in places (see below) it's still fantastic and infinitely watchable.

All three of them ending up racing to Mars and basically getting almost there within a relative stones throw of each other was a bit silly.

Very true, but it always moves on quick enough with enough happening that those moments are near forgotten as quick.

[Alex]

Very true, but it always moves on quick enough with enough happening that those moments are near forgotten as quick.

This is true. Got to love how they don't piss about with the story development. It's always moving on at a fair old clip. I just finished season three and am already looking forward to seeing where they will take it with the time jump into season four, whenever that might come along.

I'm just glad Ed survived the re-entry to Mars. It did feel like a bit of a cheap alternative heavily telegraphing him possibly dying and then killing his ex-wife off instead, I won't lie. But I'm just glad he is still around. I'm gutted Molly is dead though, I loved her character.

[Adramelch]

Watched Wednesday the other day. Was an enjoyable watch for what it is, but as is the case with such shows the hype is a bit too much. I found that all of the older Addams members felt miscast. Fred Arnisen as Fester being the biggest offender, but Zeta Jones didn't do it for me as Morticia, and while Guzman is closer to the original comics in terms of appearance from what I've been told, I didn't really think he fit the role.

Also watched The Witcher: Blood Origin, which (unsurprisingly mind you) was garbage.

[Alex]

Yeah, I was mooting The Witcher thing myself but the trailer looks bad. I'm not on board with all the faux-outrage about it being too "diverse" or whatever either (which seems to dominate a lot of the internet chatter around it), that's daft. Nerds moaning about the race of the actors playing a load of made up people in a fantasy land need to have a fucking word with themselves.

It just looks a bit, I don't know, naff. For want of a better word. Sort of cheap looking somehow. I can't explain really. And obviously I know the reviews have been less than favourable.

Even the main show, now that I know Cavill is leaving, I have sort of lost interest. Which is a shame because I mostly enjoyed the first two seasons (the first was better than the second), but knowing they're recasting him just puts me off even wanting to bother with it anymore. I don't want to say he totally carries the show but I do think he's a very good Geralt. They should have left it until after season three aired to announce it because it's sort of prematurely killed any buzz it had.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I haven't started on it yet, I'm sure I will but I do have that feeling now that Cavill is leaving.

Such a shame as he was perfect in the role.

[Adramelch]

I honestly think Hemsworth will do a decent job, the issue mainly is that Cavill was, by all accounts, heavily invested into staying true to the source material, while the creators aren't and they'd rather let him go than adjust their mindset. That's never a good sign, surely?

As for Blood Origins, it covers something that the books don't talk a whole lot about (if memory serves me well, I read them after the second game came out so it's been a while) so they had to improvise and they're not at all good at that. The dialogues are fairly idiotic (the main series suffers from that too), the acting is comically bad and the plot could have well been covered over an hour or so but they stretched it to 4 episodes so it gets lost.

[SvN]

1899 has been cancelled by Netflix. We binged it this weekend (and loved it), so that's just perfect timing with the announcement.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I tried that but I am currently not able to watch anything bleak or harrowing in any way. Seemed good though.

[Pepe]

I watched about half of it, until it started turning into complete nonsense. It was pretty good until the point I watched. Would keep watching, but now that I know it has been canned, I will not. Reminds me why I don't bother with TV shows these days unless it is something old enough that I know it is a finished product.

[Adramelch]

Yeah I typically wait until a series is finished nowadays. In part because of the cancelling thing, but also I often can't be arsed waiting for new seasons.

[Don]

Surely you gotta really be going through some shite to be consuming stuff that's been deemed not worthy of churning out by Netflix.

[Pepe]

Even if it is not cancelled, watching shit that is written a little at a time as opposed to created as a whole always ends up in disappointment.

[Boydy]

The Patient is absolutely brilliant.

[Waffdon]

My missus has binged The Rig and I’ve only been semi watching but fuck me it’s absolutely tragic. Don’t waste your time. The acting is absolutely terrible as well which is a bit odd as the cast aren’t half bad.

[Boydy]

I started that last night and watched two episodes but I don't feel particularly drawn to watch any more. Shame as the cast is good, like you say.

[Baz]

50 Cent is turning 8 Mile into a TV show :cool:

[Bernanke]

The Last of Us is reviewing pretty great. This might be HBOs next megahit given the amount of fans there are of the games.

[Manc]

Season 3 of Dark has well and truly gone over the edge of the cliff.

[Spikey M]

The Rig on Prime has pissed me off beyond measure. It's as if they got Spielberg and his writing team in to do the first few episodes, then ran out of budget and let the students at the local college finish it off.

Wooden acting aside, it was looking promising 2 episodes in.

[Lofty]

I did wonder, such a weird mix of cast too. DS Arnott, Jorah Mormont and the bird with no tits from Schitt's Creek.

[Lofty]

Watched The Last of Us, maybe it was the hype but honestly was a bit underwhelmed. The first part I enjoyed but I felt the Ellie actress was pretty weak.

[Bernanke]

I felt both Pedro and the kid looked ace for the roles, but I'm not sure I have much interest in seeing this story play out this close to the game yet another time.

[Giggles]

I’ve just copped that this massively hyped tv show isn’t based on the game with the armless little spacemen. It makes a bit more sense now.

[Shindig]

If they have any sense, they'll do one series and call it quits. They won't though. American TV doesn't stop.

[Don]

Just finished both seasons of White Lotus. It's just a load of pretty people in pretty locations based around pretty shit plots. Copious sex and nudity drives the entire thing and it has some solid moments, overall, very inoffensive fun.

Introducing me to this was a big big plus though:


https://youtu.be/v84tb_wVzgg

[Jimmy Floyd]

Three years after everyone else, am working my way through The Last Dance. It's not my game and I've heard of very few of the basketballers featured. As a sports doc I'm not sure it's quite worthy of the hype - it's like most half decent sports docs I've seen (maybe the subject matter makes it mean more to NBA fans).

However, as a piece of Americana it's magnificent. There is so much there about late 20th century America, implicit but in plain sight. I also love the contrast between the men featured at the time and the same men interviewed 20 years later for the doc.

[phonics]

The hype factor of it being the only new sports content released 3 weeks into lockdown needs to be acknowledged. Also the huge amount of lies told by Michael Jordan is just funny.

[Yevrah]

What were some of the lies?

[Baz]

One Man And His Shoes is a better documentary, and a better look at “20th century America.”

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Why would Michael Jordan lie about that?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Started and finished Andor over the last week or so. It's pretty fucking good.

I need to give Rogue One a watch again because I couldn't remember much from it though.

[Ian]

Watched The Last of Us, maybe it was the hype but honestly was a bit underwhelmed. The first part I enjoyed but I felt the Ellie actress was pretty weak.

I just watched episode 1 and at this stage I don't get what all the fuss was about. I've seen the opening setup of a post apocalypse horror thing dozens of times and this one was no more than Another One.

Love a bit of Pedro though so I'll stick with it.

[Waffdon]

Episode 2 was good stuff. Idk if that’s because there were a couple of scenes I remember well from the game though

[igor_balis]

Three years after everyone else, am working my way through The Last Dance. It's not my game and I've heard of very few of the basketballers featured. As a sports doc I'm not sure it's quite worthy of the hype - it's like most half decent sports docs I've seen (maybe the subject matter makes it mean more to NBA fans).

However, as a piece of Americana it's magnificent. There is so much there about late 20th century America, implicit but in plain sight. I also love the contrast between the men featured at the time and the same men interviewed 20 years later for the doc.

watch hoop dreams! that's awesome, especially as it's pretty bleak and grubby most of the time.

the ESPN one about Wayne Gretzky was really good too, I loved it despite caring about ice hockey about as much as I do kabadi

[Pepe]

I liked The Last Dance a lot.

[Shindig]

So did I. Very much printing the legend but it's told in a really enjoyable way.

[Don]

I just watched episode 1 and at this stage I don't get what all the fuss was about. I've seen the opening setup of a post apocalypse horror thing dozens of times and this one was no more than Another One.

Love a bit of Pedro though so I'll stick with it.

This, I've watched the first 2 episodes on the promise of incredible TV. All I'm getting is an incredibly dragged out run of the mill zombie affair. Not a single original or notable aspect to it and now I'm in it until late March just because it's an inoffensive watch and it's been a while since I watched a good zombie affair.

[SvN]

It's just the video game nerds hyping it up, because they loved the game.

[wullie]

I enjoyed it but one downpoint is that I knew what was going to happen across both episodes as it stuck pretty rigidly to the game, dialogue and all. The starting bits with John Hannah and then the Indonesian professor were great because they were both brand new and hinted at what happened before, which is what too many of these shows leave out.

[Spikey M]

It's just the video game nerds hyping it up, because they loved the game.

Like The Witcher which I loved, hated and had an aneurysm during.

[Shindig]

That cordyceps explanation's a bit shit. We've just been through a pandemic and know how the media would report that. Why do we need a 60's flashback?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Started on Welcome to Wrexham the other day and it's really good.

I'd like to see more of the Wrexham fan that hates his job as a painter, he's good value.

[Kikó]

Episode 10 of Andor is one of the best things I've watched in ages. Amazing TV.

[Giggles]

:drool:

The prison break?

I think I’m going to watch it again.

[Kikó]

Yeah that episode. Absolutely brilliant. They built it up perfectly and didn't go over the top with any of it.

Such a top quality cast as well.

[Giggles]

Best show I’ve watched in a long time.

[Ian]

Totally caught me off guard too because I went in with zero expectations as I didn't really see what the point of it was.

[Kikó]

Episode 11 also fucking hell.

[Baz]

I watched episode one of Early Doors on my dinner. Haven’t watched it since it was originally on tele. Very funny. Wish I’d seen it live when it was on not that long ago.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I love Early Doors. Watched it through a few times over the years. Boring couple (can't remember names) are some of the best observed characters in British comedy.

[Baz]

I love Early Doors. Watched it through a few times over the years. Boring couple (can't remember names) are some of the best observed characters in British comedy.

Episode four is up there with the funniest 25 minutes of television ever.

[Manc]

Top Boy has me reeling.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Lockwood & Co is surprisingly great.

Can't wait until Netflix cancels it in a couple of months.

[wullie]

I love Early Doors but I'm glad they stopped at two series going by the way the Royle Family characters turned into braindead morons as the Christmas specials piled up.

[Ian]

The Royle Family's third series being entirely "lol we're neglecting a baby" was certainly a choice.

[Don]

Never heard of Early Doors, will give it a shot.

[Don]

Last of Us: Episode 3

That threatened to enter very good TV territory for a bit, was getting all choked up but they seemed to let it slip for the last 5-10 mins.

My don from White Lotus delivered the goods again though although why he's been typecast as an ass-eater I'm not sure, he has a lot more to offer.

[Lofty]

I am moderately concerned there is not enough time in the final episode of Happy Valley to satisfactorily resolve everything.

[Foe]

Been rewatching through Seinfeld again recently.

The final season is toss, and the first 2 or so are a bit hit and miss but the middle series are still cracking.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's more or less continuous quality from the first mention of Art Vandelay until the end of series 7. 3-5 probably the apex run but a lot of the oft-quoted episodes are from later.

[Dark Soldier]

It's just the video game nerds hyping it up, because they loved the game.

Fucking hate everything Naughty Dog has put out game wise and Druckmann is a right weird cunt.

Fantastic tv series though. Great performances, episode three was beautifully done and they've strayed enough from the smell of its own shit game to add sufficient backstory.

[phonics]

Frasier > Seinfeld.

[Lofty]

I am moderately concerned there is not enough time in the final episode of Happy Valley to satisfactorily resolve everything.

Suspicions confirmed.

[Manc]

I enjoyed the head-to-head. Thought Ryan would/should have had a bigger role to play.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How do these BBC dramas creep up on me as MASSIVE and everyone's watching them without me ever having heard of them? Same thing happened with Bodyguard and that bent coppers thing.

[Kikó]

Suspicions confirmed.

Depends if we really cared about angry teacher/Faisel. I can only think they kept it in the story because it linked Faisal with the comical Eastern Europeans.

Thought it was ok for BBC. They struggle to end these things convincingly and I think they sort of managed.

[Lofty]

It was more the thirty seconds of dialogue wrapping it all up making all that screentime seem like a waste. In the series two finale the main plot was wrapped up by the half hour mark so the B plot got a gripping ending. So it seemed a bit jarring this time, understandably they focused more on the TLR part. Interested to find out what the alternate endings were.

[Kikó]

https://variety.com/2023/global/news/fawlty-towers-revival-castle-rock-john-cleese-1235515583/

This can only be good.

[wullie]

Good news for Kelsey Grammer at least, pressure's off now.

[Spikey M]

I've watched all 3 series of Happy Valley this week, and it is very good indeed, however:

Why bother with the drug dealing pharmacist if you're just going to end it like that? They could have easily kept the wife abusing cunt of a teacher and still make it work. Baffling.

[Yevrah]

Halfway through season 2 of Clarkson's Farm and it's very good again.

[Giggles]

Didn’t realise it was back. That’s the weekend sorted.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I watched the first two last night before bed, it's just great.

Kaleb :cool:

Claiming that his son is foreign because he was born in Oxford and not Chipping Norton was brilliant.

[Baz]

Same! Thanks for the heads up.

[phonics]

I finished Severance. It was very good.

[Yevrah]

Continuing on with Clarkson's Farm, the planning permission side of it is absolutely incredible.

[Giggles]

I’ve got 4 done but stopped for Tommy Tiernan. Hopefully finish it tomorrow depending on how many there are.

[Yevrah]

8 in total Giggles.

[Pleb]

Episode 5 of The Last of Us :|

[Don]

Episode 4 was breathtakingly dull and although 5 was an improvement thanks to something actually happening, it's increasingly becoming a drag.

[Baz]

In one ear I’ve got Mike telling me I should watch it cos it’s up there with Better Call Saul, and in the other is Taz saying how boring it is.

In reality I’ve still not found time to finish The Young Ones or Early Doors.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Finished Clarkson's Farm, it's still so damn good.

[Kikó]

The Last of Us is good but I'm worried it's going to The Walking Dead me

[Gray Fox]

The Last of Us is good. I feel it has the tone and atmosphere nailed. Pedro Pascal likeable in almost everything he does and the girl playing Ellie seems to be a good fit for it.
The few guest appearances we've had have been good too.

Not quite sure how they slow the pace back down after what happened in Ep. 5, but we'll see.

[randomlegend]

I'm irrationally angry that on the latest episode of Would I Lie To You:

Bob was clearly hinting at the fact that in the episode where he talked about doing his own dentistry, he told David that those teeth are all "one piece", but then they never explicitly brought it up after he revealed the Kitkat story was true.

[Giggles]

Clarksons Farm was good, but it always seems like the type of show you'd love to see a behind the scenes documentary on.

[Ian]

Baz Did you watch Taskmaster New Zealand on Youtube or elsewhere? Having caught up on the UK ones thought I'd give NZ a go. Had watched 7/10 of series 1 and then they got yanked from Youtube. :moop:

[Baz]

Baz Did you watch Taskmaster New Zealand on Youtube or elsewhere? Having caught up on the UK ones thought I'd give NZ a go. Had watched 7/10 of series 1 and then they got yanked from Youtube. :moop:They were on YT when I watched them yeah. Worth persevering and finding season 2 for sure.

I can download them and put them on my Plex if you want?

If you know what that means, send me your email and I'll grab them and invite you to view my TV library. I'll add you to the wrestling library too, but leave you out of the films - some dodgy ones in there. :baz:

[Manc]

What are we all on with? I've dropped Dark as S3 is completely mental. TLOU is a snore fest. In need of inspiration.

[Ian]

They were on YT when I watched them yeah. Worth persevering and finding season 2 for sure.

I can download them and put them on my Plex if you want?

If you know what that means, send me your email and I'll grab them and invite you to view my TV library. I'll add you to the wrestling library too, but leave you out of the films - some dodgy ones in there. :baz:

Yeah can do, it's really annoying to have had it disappear so near the end. Think 2's all still on there as well but on a different channel.

[mo]

Watched Everyone Else Burns this week. Pretty much what you'd expect from a CH4 comedy.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I enjoyed 'Full Swing' a lot on Netflix, albeit I'm already a golf nut, so will be interesting to see if non golf fans end up enjoying it. A nice mix of players who come across incredibly well and players who come across as knobheads.

[Giggles]

Even by the low standards it’s already set, the new episode of Picard was horrendous. Worst episode of Trek I’ve witnessed.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

I enjoyed 'Full Swing' a lot on Netflix, albeit I'm already a golf nut, so will be interesting to see if non golf fans end up enjoying it. A nice mix of players who come across incredibly well and players who come across as knobheads.

Who were the nobheds?

[Giggles]

I tried watching that golf thing but just found it very badly done compared to the polished presentation of something like DTS. Just too all over the place.

[Kikó]

Even by the low standards it’s already set, the new episode of Picard was horrendous. Worst episode of Trek I’ve witnessed.

New new? Like third season?

[Lofty]

Third season, indeed. I don't watch it I just watch Red Letter Media whine about it.

[Giggles]

New new? Like third season?

Yeah, it’s going full “get the gang back together”, which sounds fun in a way but it was just very badly done. A bit like it was an edit cobbled together last minute. It’s on Amazon and Paramount.

[Giggles]

Third season, indeed. I don't watch it I just watch Red Letter Media whine about it.

That’ll be the best thing about it.

[Don]

Pokerface. Adrien Brody got me involved and it was interesting enough to begin with but, and this surprised me because it's only been the case on 99% of every other show in existence these days, it turned into dull shite.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Who were the nobheds?

I'm only 3 episodes in but the LIV lot.

Poulter especially.

Him complaining about financial hardships after losing to Fitzpatrick in the matchplay event and then hopping onto a private jet to the UK was a nice moment.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

My biggest gripe so far is that they explain what the cut is in golf tournaments in EVERY. SINGLE. FUCKING. EPISODE.

[Ben]

Non-fans don’t know what a cut is and that’s the target audience.

It’s the same geezers as Drive to Survive and that brought in a load of new fans, for better or for worse.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's not the hardest concept though, I think even idiots would pick up on what a cut is after the first episode.

[Lofty]

The Gold on BBC was pretty decent.

[Kikó]

Yeah, it’s going full “get the gang back together”, which sounds fun in a way but it was just very badly done. A bit like it was an edit cobbled together last minute. It’s on Amazon and Paramount.

I thought it was alright actually. Not sure how long they can keep going until Jean Luc dies but at least it was a bit more like the older stuff. The shadowy underworld/subterfuge is a little samey though.

[Giggles]

I thought it was alright actually. Not sure how long they can keep going until Jean Luc dies but at least it was a bit more like the older stuff. The shadowy underworld/subterfuge is a little samey though.

This is the last series, it was shot at the same time as the last one apparently.
I’d probably like it more if it just didn’t come across as so badly edited. I do like the new cuntish captain after seeing the second one today.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Had no idea The Mandalorian was back today, thankfully my phone got a notification from Disney.

Pretty good return episode.

[mo]

Baz

I watched Early Doors recently. After the first couple of episodes I was going to pack it in, but I felt compelled to continue, and glad I did now. It's a weird mixture of nostalgia and human interest that sort of sucks you in.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Watched The Last of Us this week and episodes 3 and 5 left me in bits emotionally.

It's pretty damn good.

[Lofty]

That Deep Fake Celebrity Neighbour Wars thing must be infringing some kind of legal image rights.

[Giggles]

Picard improved. Mandalorian was dogshit.

[Manc]

Watched The Last of Us this week and episodes 3 and 5 left me in bits emotionally.

It's pretty damn good.

Is it though?

[Don]

Trust the fucking mess to love it through his greasy screen and crusty gamer chair. I just watched episode 7 and what began as an easy to watch by-the-numbers zombie affair has turned into dull af trash to the point of it being hard to finish. But we'll still get the top reviews because a 14 year old and a 16 year old broke taboos and had a lesbian kiss so the world is now automatically a much better place and we all need to consume this so that we too can encourage our young to take up scissoring. May Allah wash this Earth with powerful floods and tsunamis when he's rid it of us vermin.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You could just not watch it...

[Don]

You have to endure some shite every now and the to keep in touch with the common man and let me tell you, this sort of foul shite consumed by the masses is very much the zeitgeist of today.

[Baz]

Nah. Drop that perspective and you’ll be no worse off.

When people at work start discussing Happy Valley, I don’t mind glazing over and instead think how tasty the pear I’m eating is.

[Lofty]

Happy Valley is good though.

[wullie]

My problem with the Last of us is that there was a worry it'd be meandering like the Walking Dead but instead it's too much the other way where apart from the Bill episode it's stuck so closely to the source material a lot of it is live action remakes of cutscenes from the games. It's good that they're not planning to have it run forever but it puts me off what promises to be an overly grim s2.

[Gray Fox]

They've also seemingly only got one episode left of this season and it's either going to be about 2 hours long or it has no hope of fitting in it what is needed.