General Election 2024: Gone on the 4th of July

[niko_cee]

Yeah, I was going off a BBC article I now can't find which I read the other day, with the main takeaway away being they might inadvertently end up with a communist parliament, which seemed quite a funny prospect.

[niko_cee]

Why don't they just have AV in France though, which is what their system seems to amount to?

[Spikey M]

In unexpected news, one of my black mates has started spamming his Facebook and Instagram with Reform UK propaganda.

His local Reform candidate was this guy:


In a post in June 2020 he commented on the arrival of a small boat in Dover, saying: 'I hope I'm near one of these scumbags one day. I won't run away, I'll slaughter them then have their family taken out.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13573895/Reform-candidate-Leslie-Lilley-said-slaughter-migrants-families-taken-response-small-boats-social-media-post-joining-list-Nigel-Farages-controversial-election-hopefuls.html

Very, very sadly, he has been dropped by Reform today *womp womp* and my mate is furious.

I have no idea how the son of immigrants from Zimbabwe has got here, but it's quite something to witness.

[niko_cee]

Home Secretary James Cleverly has warned voters Sir Keir Starmer could change the political system to secure a “permanent Labour government” if he secures a “massive majority” on 4 July.

lol

[Jimmy Floyd]

The only way of doing that is to ban all the other parties.

[niko_cee]

The conservatives appear to be doing quite a good job of abolishing themselves.

[Yevrah]

The Election night coverage is going to be absolutely prime entertainment. The interviews with hundreds of Tory MPs having lost their seats and being basically free to say what they like. :drool:

[Baz]

Seen this?

https://fantasyelection.co.uk/

Choose your team of 11 parliamentary candidates, score points based on how they perform at the ballot box, and compete against players up and down the nation.

TTH league code: OUXMIL

[Spikey M]

:D ffs

[Magic]

Postal votes still haven't arrived lol.

[niko_cee]

Ed Davey hula-hooping over the weekend, bungee jumping today, it is indeed a novel electoral strategy, and anyone voting for them should be taken out back and shot.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Keir Starmer came to Hitchin today.

He was at the football ground, sadly I didn't see him.

[Lewis]

lol

These sort of statements are very revealing about how and why they have failed on every front. Whether or not Labour have got a plan to stack the deck in their favour ready to go (they have, albeit more in favour of their client state than the party itself), these retards haven't even managed to get the bare minimum of favourable boundary changes through in fourteen years.

[Baz]

Gonna have to be Lib Dem cos the local Labour woman (Marie Rimmer) is a corrupt scumbag, who also refused to vote for a ceasefire when she had the chance.
So a local labour man has just knocked on my door.

Good afternoon, can we rely on your support on Thursday?
No chance mate. Marie Rimmer’s awful.
Okay thank you very much, have a good night.

:D

I presume he gets enough ‘omg yes of course labour is life’ that the few who say no make literally zero difference to the 100% chance of her being voted back in.

I should have mentioned I’ve stuck her in net in my fantasy team, perhaps.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

There were 4 Reform people (including AN ETHNIC to show they're not racist) at the train station today handing out leaflets.

The amount of people ignoring and or telling them to do one was lovely.

I gave them a "not a chance" when asked if I'd vote for them.

[Spikey M]

I still have absolutely no idea who I'm voting for tomorrow. Completely underwhelmed by every single party.

Might email Ed Davey and tell him I'll vote for them if throws a thousand milkshakes at Nigel Farage while riding a donkey or something.

[Ben]

https://tactical.vote/

[Jimmy Floyd]

The only meaningul tactical voting this time around would be among Tories and Reform supporters. Good of the 'progressive' wing of things to continue sniffing their own farts on the verge of power.

[Yevrah]

Labour landslide area for me, so my tactical vote is "not needed".

[randomlegend]

The Tories outright admitting they are going to lose to one of the biggest majorities in history and begging for votes on the basis someone needs to be there to stop Labour doing whatever they want is fucking pathetic :D

[phonics]

My constituency has been Tory in every election except two dating back to 1931. They're currently 34 points down to the Labour candidate. Impressive stuff.

[Lewis]

The local Nigel Farage candidate is bald, so I might have to go back to my original plan of writing something racist on the ballot paper.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You? Say something racist?

Never.

[Manc]

According to Channel 4 nobody has a clue who to vote for. Brilliant.

[Magic]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/03/britain-will-not-rejoin-eu-in-my-lifetime-says-starmer

:sick:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Team spreadsheet prediction is in:

Lab 439
Con 93
LD 69
SNP 20
PC 3
Ref 2
Green 1

LD feels high but that's just the vibes that have been detected, unfortunately.

[Yevrah]

Remind me again Magic why every Scottish person wants to be in the EU but only circa 50% want to be in a union with England?

[Yevrah]

Team spreadsheet prediction is in:

Lab 439
Con 93
LD 69
SNP 20
PC 3
Ref 2
Green 1

LD feels high but that's just the vibes that have been detected, unfortunately.

Just need the snacks now. M&S will be hit tomorrow night after work.

[Jimmy Floyd]

One thing's for sure, although these Tories are awful and need to go, I would lol extremely hard if the exit poll comes up with something like Labour majority 48. Everyone will have shat the bed and the Tories would be leaping for joy despite getting a beating.

[Baz]

Reform need 7, thank you very much

Is this kind of thing updated on tv as the votes are counted?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The value bet of the election I would say is Reform to win zero seats, which you can get at 10/1 currently.

They'll likely win one but it wouldn't take much at all for them not to. As always with Farage a lot of the momentum behind him is hot air.

[Ben]

Yes, live all nighters on all the big channels.

[Magic]

Remind me again Magic why every Scottish person wants to be in the EU but only circa 50% want to be in a union with England?

Because you're cunts.

[Spikey M]

The SNP are bigger cunts.

[Spikey M]

The value bet of the election I would say is Reform to win zero seats, which you can get at 10/1 currently.

They'll likely win one but it wouldn't take much at all for them not to. As always with Farage a lot of the momentum behind him is hot air.

I think they'll pull a similar share of the vote to the Lib Dems. It's just that the Lib Dems will win seats off the back of it because their voters are concentrated in wanky middle class villages and small towns, whereas Reform voters are all over the place.

I find it hard to care in this instance, but it feels massively undemocratic. That said, I'm not sure PR would particularly fix it. You just end up with waring factions disagreeing on everything and the outcome is a centrist mess much like the one we're about to kick out (and probably the one we're about to vote in).

[Ben]

I can see a whole load of drum banging about electoral reform after tomorrow when 5 million votes nets Nige's lot just the one seat.

[niko_cee]

First past the post may have its faults, but decisive wins one way or the other are better than accidentally having to elect a ragtag coalition of communists and other fucktards because the alternative is the national front/fascists, a la Les Francais.

AV's already failed, fuck full on PR.

I also had the Jimmy though re: the exit poll having some sort of Corbyn style bounce for lolz.

[Spikey M]

I can see a whole load of drum banging about electoral reform after tomorrow when 5 million votes nets Nige's lot just the one seat.

It won't be the same without Vince Cable.

[Mike]

I think I’m voting green. It’s tempting to vote labour just because the party I vote for has never gotten in, so a win for me would be nice.

[Jimmy Floyd]

First past the post may have its faults, but decisive wins one way or the other are better than accidentally having to elect a ragtag coalition of communists and other fucktards because the alternative is the national front/fascists, a la Les Francais.

AV's already failed, fuck full on PR.

I also had the Jimmy though re: the exit poll having some sort of Corbyn style bounce for lolz.

The magic of FPTP is that it divides the country into 650 pieces and to become the government, or even part of the government, you have to be genuinely popular in an awful lot of them. These 650 places are all very different and are populated by very different types of people. That means that the 'coalition' is built into the governing party already and so you have a broad church of views in the government without having the chaotic Dutch/Belgian/Italian propensity to fall apart at any given moment.

The incoming Labour government will have, like, 5 competing factions that represent a much bigger spread of voters than will have actually voted Labour. That's a good thing.

[Lewis]

I think that turnout will be sufficiently shit that the Conservative Party will end up doing slightly better than it ought to be doing. Twenty-two/twenty-four per cent, and comfortably over a hundred seats. Obviously sad that they won't be completely destroyed, but Labour winning with less votes than Jeremy Corbyn got could be funny as far as the NARRATIVE goes.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The bit I can't square with that theory is who is motivated to go out there and vote Tory today? Their best hope of crawling to 130-150 is if the Reform vote just doesn't show up at all, or rather, the 'supermajority' shite scares them into staying Tory, which surely it won't.

[Spikey M]

There was a woman on the Radio yesterday saying "everyone says Labour are the same as the Conservatives, so I may as well stick with the Conservatives".

Don't mistake your fellow countrymen/women for intelligent and rational thinkers, Jim.

[Lofty]

My in laws are voting Tory, 'because we grew up under a Labour government and it was terrible'.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The one thing I think might pop up a lot today is that a lot of people haven't voted since the last GE and won't know about voter ID, I had some colleagues ask me about it yesterday. Anyway, I'm off to cast now, what a thrilling experience. Will I bottle it at the last and vote Tory?

[Spikey M]

There's also the case that most people really don't know what to do. Most know they aren't voting Tory, but they're not exactly buzzing about voting for Sir Beer Korma. I'm going to vote in about an hour and I still don't know if I'm voting Labour, Lib Dem or drawing a massive cock and balls on it.

[Ben]

I'm the same, I can't see Labour doing (relatively) well today.

LAB 414
CON 120
LD 66
REF 4
GREEN 1
JEZZA 1

[Jimmy Floyd]

Surely jezza isn't winning. He should have joined the Greens.

[Ben]

Polls reckon it's really close and he's evens with the bookies.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Took fucking ages as they check everyone's ID like we're queued up to buy weapons.

[Kikó]

I voted against jez but chucked it in the bin voting green. I'm back this afternoon in the UK for Annihilation Thursday.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I voted Labour. Moderate measures for a sensible Britain. Plus the candidate was listed as living in Ealing so clearly doesn't care, a plus point in my book.

[Spikey M]

Jimmy voting Labour feels like some kind of Omen.

[Yevrah]

Not gonna lie, feels weird.

[-james-]

My seat is a Labour/SNP coin flip so I voted Labour, natch.

[Magic]

SNP for me.

[Spikey M]

Held my nose and voted Labour.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jimmy voting Labour feels like some kind of Omen.

I've done it before (and Lib Dem) but only in locals. GE record was previously Tory all the way. Lib Dems will piss my seat, ending 120 years of the Tories holding it, but the Lib Dems are just awful people so there we are.

I took no great pleasure in it.

[Mike]

No queue at mine, just an overly excessive number of Super Noodle pots.

[Spikey M]

I've done it before (and Lib Dem) but only in locals. GE record was previously Tory all the way. Lib Dems will piss my seat, ending 120 years of the Tories holding it, but the Lib Dems are just awful people so there we are.

I took no great pleasure in it.

I don't know where to check, but I'm pretty sure mine has been a Tory safe seat since the plebs got the vote.

I wouldn't be surprised if it stayed Tory, either. The Yoof are out voting this morning, so Labour probably have a handy lead right now, but the mobility scooters are charging and the blue rinse brigade will start their assault after Bargain Hunt.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Both the Southend seats are going red, if they don't then it'll be the sign of the lol scenario mentioned above in which Labour wins but is massively deflated by the small size of their win.

[Boydy]

I voted against jez but chucked it in the bin voting green. I'm back this afternoon in the UK for Annihilation Thursday.

Twat.

[Spikey M]

What sort of time do the results start coming in? The nonces up in Sunderland (or whereverthefuck) that like to "win" are normally around 11, aren't they?

[niko_cee]

Exit poll then go to bed.

Nothing meaningful happens until too early o'clock in the morning. There's some rivalry isn't there up there with speed counting, but I guess it is easier when you are only ever really counting votes for one party.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Sunderland South at 11.30ish is the first one, then the first meaningful one will be Basildon and Billericay (or something like that) at midnight-ish, if the Tories lose that it's goodnight Vienna, if they hold it then it may be a slightly better night for them and 'only' 200 losses.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Exit poll then go to bed.

Nothing meaningful happens until too early o'clock in the morning. There's some rivalry isn't there up there with speed counting, but I guess it is easier when you are only ever really counting votes for one party.

North East are quicker at counting as they have insanely high postal vote %s.

[niko_cee]

Sounds dodgy. Tower Hamlets style.

I'd missed Rishi outing himself as a 'big sandwich guy'. Ah, what a campaign it's been. Presumably he didn't actually mean big sandwiches, or maybe he did, in the sense that everything is big in relation to him.

[Waffdon]

North East are quicker at counting as they have insanely high postal vote %s.

They fat shite single-handedly keep justeat & Greggs in business

[Boydy]

To be fair to Sunak, sandwiches are fucking class.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He must be so demob happy. Just a few more embarrassing interviews in the next 24 hours and then he's free to eat big sandwiches and check the Saints score for the rest of his life.

[phonics]

I changed some the ham and cheese triangle sandwich to the ham and cheese soft baguette as part of my Sainsbury's meal deal and I think it's improved my life 3-4%, that's how good sandwiches are.

[Spikey M]

I hear you, but there's a hoisin duck wrap sat right along side it man. Why settle?

[Waffdon]

What sort of child molester gets their meal deal from Sainsburys

[phonics]

It's the best one by far.

I don't like shop wraps. They're too cold and dense. It reminds me of hotel board room catering.

[Spikey M]

I got a BLT from the Co-op a couple of weeks ago and it's gone down as one of lifes great disappointments. The fillings were only in the middle, leaving an inch wide ring of plain, dry brown bread. Never again.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Ham and cheese?

Fucking gammon.

[Spikey M]

It's similar but sliced thinner and with cheese.

[Manc]

Turns out Fabian Hamilton (Labour) is a cycling nonce. Vote secured at the 11th hour.

[Bernanke]

The one thing I think might pop up a lot today is that a lot of people haven't voted since the last GE and won't know about voter ID, I had some colleagues ask me about it yesterday. Anyway, I'm off to cast now, what a thrilling experience. Will I bottle it at the last and vote Tory?

Is voter ID a new thing for you guys? In Sweden it's a given, and it always amazed me that in the States it by and large is not a thing, and when it is implemented it's seen as disenfranchisement. How do people not have personal identification documents at the ready...?

[Danny]

It's similar but sliced thinner and with cheese.

https://i.imgur.com/Bh9XEfC.png

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is voter ID a new thing for you guys? In Sweden it's a given, and it always amazed me that in the States it by and large is not a thing, and when it is implemented it's seen as disenfranchisement. How do people not have personal identification documents at the ready...?

It was brought in since the last general election (2019) and was harshly criticised by the political left for being a right-wing voter suppression tactic. In general we are very different to most of Europe in this regard, we don't have ID cards, most people don't carry such things around routinely, when Tony Blair wanted to introduce ID cards 20 years ago there was a massive privacy backlash and he had to withdraw the policy.

[Lofty]

Is voter ID a new thing for you guys? In Sweden it's a given, and it always amazed me that in the States it by and large is not a thing, and when it is implemented it's seen as disenfranchisement. How do people not have personal identification documents at the ready...?

Came in since 2023 I believe. The issue here is that we don't have a standard national ID card as it was resisted a while back, so if you need to produce ID that means a driving licence or passport, both of which cost money and there's a chance you may go through life never using either.

[Spikey M]

You can get a voter ID card completely free.

https://www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate

[Boydy]

We've had photo ID requirements in NI for as long as I've been voting so it wasn't even all of the UK that didn't require it. I did find it weird not needing it when I voted in England.

[Kikó]

Twat.

Generally, for not voting Jez, not voting Labour or voting Green?

[Spikey M]

All of the above.

[7om]

I did that “who should I vote for” quiz last night and it came out at Lib Dem, but I can’t bring myself to do it.

[Spikey M]

It said them for me too, but I read their Manifesto and I'm not sure why.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Maybe they know that deep down you want to see Ed Davey doing more wacky "stunts".

[Lewis]

The bit I can't square with that theory is who is motivated to go out there and vote Tory today? Their best hope of crawling to 130-150 is if the Reform vote just doesn't show up at all, or rather, the 'supermajority' shite scares them into staying Tory, which surely it won't.

Pensioners, landlords, stupid people worried that Labour might raise taxes and fill the country with Indians. When I say 'comfortably over a hundred seats' I meant around 120 rather than pushing beyond that.

[7om]

Which channel is the best for election coverage these days? I’ve only ever watched BBC.

[Pleb]

BBC

Caps :moop:

[Yevrah]

It was always the BBC with Dimbleby being the don, but now I'm not so sure.

[niko_cee]

Can't believe Huw Edwards spent an entire career trying to get that gig and then fucked it one and done after finally getting it.

[Ben]

Channel 4’s alternative coverage might be good depending on the panel.

[Baz]

I was considering staying up for it but just fell asleep watching tennis so there’s no hope I’ll even make the 10pm cutoff, never mind the far end.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Clive Myrie on the beeb now. Should be a lot better than Huw was.

[Bam]

Had to que up to vote, wtf.

Are people getting up off there arses?

[Pleb]

They probably realised that in 35 minutes of so the country is fucked so are probably going to last minute vote Tory/REFORM.

[Bam]

I'll take your word on that.

[Baz]

Going to bed. Look forward to waking up a to new era tomorrow, where everything is the same.

[Yevrah]

Strong offering from C4.

[niko_cee]

Sad times as this is the death of my near 10 year running prediction for Jeremy Cunt to be PM. Had virtually every other job.

Has anyone ever done the grand slam or all the major offices of state?

[Manc]

Kwarteng, Dorries, Cable & Widdecombe on Channel 4. Christ.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I saw Widdecombe and reached for the garlic. Somehow only 76.

[Lewis]

Sad times as this is the death of my near 10 year running prediction for Jeremy Cunt to be PM. Had virtually every other job.

Has anyone ever done the grand slam or all the major offices of state?

Jim Callaghan is the only one.

[Yevrah]

Kwarteng, Dorries, Cable & Widdecombe on Channel 4. Christ.

Those I can just about live with, people from Gogglebox I cannot.

[Spikey M]

Widdecombe is probably, on balance, the least attractive person in the world. The voice alone is enough to set my stomach on edge. Add the face and her opinions and, well...

BBC it is.

[Yevrah]

Not sure I've looked forward to an exit poll more.

[Spikey M]

Eugh. Jeremy Vine.

[Yevrah]

Farage channelling his inner Partridge in that blazer.

[Yevrah]

Baz's bet a cracker after all.

[Spikey M]

Lend us a tenner Baz.

[SvN]

Slightly disappointed that they ended up with 130 odd

[Boydy]

Fascism in 2029 with that 13 seat foothold.

[Kikó]

Well well well

[Lewis]

Hopefully. lmao at the Scottish separatists.

[SvN]

Fascism in 2029 with that 13 seat foothold.

Yep. Farage will be Conservative leader by then.

[Spikey M]

Slightly disappointed that they ended up with 130 odd

Should have let Covid rip.

[Yevrah]

Slightly disappointed that they ended up with 130 odd

Yeah, I feel the same. Starmer's majority if that poll is reasonably accurate won't even be larger than Blair's first term.

[7om]

lol well played Baz!

[7om]

Why are BBC creaming themselves over 410? Some of the polls in the last week had them over 500. 410 is hardly groundbreaking considering you’re up against this Tory party.

[Lewis]

Look at the face on Sturgeon what a cunt.

[Yevrah]

Fascism in 2029 with that 13 seat foothold.

As we're seeing across Europe it's seemingly what happens when you label everyone racist. You're doing similar by labelling reform as fascists.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Love to see where these 13 Reform seats are...

Tories probably have enough to see off Nigel.

[Lofty]

Only a narrow error in the poll would smash those small party numbers down.

[Yevrah]

Why are BBC creaming themselves over 410? Some of the polls in the last week had them over 500. 410 is hardly groundbreaking considering you’re up against this Tory party.

I was hoping for a complete meltdown, so I may well go to bed now instead of pulling an all nighter.

[Lewis]

As we're seeing across Europe it's seemingly what happens when you label everyone racist. You're doing similar by labelling reform as fascists.

I suspect the vote shares will suggest that, in spite of everything else, the Conservative Party could have stood a chance if only they could have resisted the urge to piss on their voters and double net migration.

[-james-]

Is Nadine Dorries really 67? Phwoar.

[Yevrah]

Nice to see Ian Duncan Smith has as much chance of holding onto his seat as I have of packing a TOTY.

[7om]

God this hitlist of wankers who are going to lose their seats is amazing. Fire them all into the ocean.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is Nadine Dorries really 67? Phwoar.

I've just been googling people's ages for the last 20 minutes. Emily Maitlis only 53, I had her ten years older.

[Lewis]

Steve Baker's mid-life crisis was all for nothing.

[Luke Emia]

Yeah, I feel the same. Starmer's majority if that poll is reasonably accurate won't even be larger than Blair's first term.

Margin of error in there though for a lot of Tory seats you would imagine it won’t take much for that to be out by 15/20 seats.

Plus 170 is fucking huge from where they were 5 years ago, basically should mean as long as he isn’t a combination of Boris/Truss/Sunak in the first 5 years we should be heading for 10 years of Labour.

[Yevrah]

Plus 170 is fucking huge from where they were 5 years ago.

Well yeah, but they had a toxic shitbag in charge 5 years ago, plus the Tories have spent the intervening period imploding at every opportunity. 170 is the very least it should be.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Look at all those Tory seats in Scotland. Bottled it, lads.

[Pleb]

The tories are bracing themselves for Sunak to fuck off.

[Yevrah]

Mandelson is completely mis-representing what's happened here.

[wullie]

Have Channel 4 just grabbed the nearest passer by with a Scottish accent?

[Magic]

Wes Streeting is gross.

[Lewis]

Hate these gimps in the North East racing to count first. I would just ignore the coverage from up there.

[Spikey M]

Reform potentially getting more seats than the SNP is properly lol.

Reform should promise a Referendum for England to leave the Union at the next Election.

[Lewis]

I would love to batter Alastair Campbell.

[Lewis]

Just properly smash his face into pieces until I had to stop because I couldn't breathe.

[niko_cee]

Think the conservative might hang on here, too close to call though. His vote has obviously held up well seeing as the electoral calculus had Lib Dems getting 60% of the vote. It'll be 150 years of unbroken Tory rule if he hangs on.

My man in Wimbledon looks like he might have won off the exit poll, so that's at least one decent Lib Dem. Probably the only one.

[Manc]

Kwarteng suggesting the Tories could have gone as low as 55. Check him in to an asylum.

[-james-]

u ok lewis hun

[Boydy]

As we're seeing across Europe it's seemingly what happens when you label everyone racist. You're doing similar by labelling reform as fascists.

No. The far right rises when people's material needs are not being met and no one in the mainstream seems to want to meet them. Look at what Labour were offering - fuck all. The FN and Afd in France and Germany are most certainly far right/fascist and Reform very much fit that too.

Did you see the undercover stuff channel 4 did on them? If you watched that and thought Reform aren't far right or fascist then frankly there's no hope for you or the country.

[randomlegend]

I genuinely don't understand how a single person in this country can look at what the Tories have done and still go out to vote for them.

Then again, I don't understand why anyone who voted for them in the last election has suddenly changed their mind now, given they were just as incompetent and disgusting for their entire tenure prior to that election.

[Lewis]

The preliminary vote shares look like the Conservative Party simply shot itself in the head. Good for Deliveroo obviously but you have to wonder why they never saw it coming.

[Magic]

Reform potentially getting more seats than the SNP is properly lol.

Reform should promise a Referendum for England to leave the Union at the next Election.

It isn't lol though, is it. It's fucking disgusting.

[Yevrah]

It isn't lol though, is it. It's fucking disgusting.

What, a party with almost an entire manifesto based on race winning some seats?

[Boydy]

I genuinely don't understand how a single person in this country can look at what the Tories have done and still go out to vote for them.

Then again, I don't understand why anyone who voted for them in the last election has suddenly changed their mind now, given they were just as incompetent and disgusting for their entire tenure prior to that election.

Pensioners who aren't paying mortgages and don't have to worry about jobs any more.

[Spikey M]

It isn't lol though, is it. It's fucking disgusting.

Disgustingly funny.

[Yevrah]

No. The far right rises when people's material needs are not being met and no one in the mainstream seems to want to meet them.

It's rising in Scandanavia too, no? Standard of living there is still pretty good last time I looked.




Did you see the undercover stuff channel 4 did on them? If you watched that and thought Reform aren't far right or fascist then frankly there's no hope for you or the country.

I did not and I'd obviously correct my opinion if it's as bad as you say, but it's simply not helpful labelling them fascists. It doesn't address the issues, embolden's their current voter base and brings more to the party as well.

We went through all of this with Brexit, how the hell are we making the same mistakes again?

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

If the SNP are as fucked as the exit poll suggests then that's a win in my book.

Sturgeon's face was a picture, the daft twat. :D

[randomlegend]

Pensioners who aren't paying mortgages and don't have to worry about jobs any more.

But it's just so obvious the Tories view everyone who isn't them and their rich mates as actual pond scum. Even old people must be able to see it. Finding out that the Tories were having a good old piss-up when they couldn't visit their dying spouse because of covid restrictions, for example.

How anyone can look at themselves in the mirror knowing they voted for someone who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire in case it splashed their shoes is beyond me.

[Yevrah]

AS for the SNP, I'd have a lot more respect for them if they were just honest and admitted they hate the English.

[Shindig]

I'm not sure I'm into this enough to watch a live counting of my constituency. The fact that it's an option bewilders me. :D

[Spikey M]

But it's just so obvious the Tories view everyone who isn't them and their rich mates as actual pond scum. Even old people must be able to see it. Finding out that the Tories were having a good old piss-up when they couldn't visit their dying spouse because of covid restrictions, for example.

How anyone can look at themselves in the mirror knowing they voted for someone who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire in case it splashed their shoes is beyond me.

The Tories repeatedly pointed out that Labour would see their state pensions taxed for the first time ever and Labour weren't exactly strong in rebuffing that.

[Waffdon]

If the SNP are as fucked as the exit poll suggests then that's a win in my book.

Sturgeon's face was a picture, the daft twat. :D

They bottled 2014. May as well dissolve now

[Yevrah]

The Tories repeatedly pointed out that Labour would see their state pensions taxed for the first time ever and Labour weren't exactly strong in rebuffing that.

That was a massive L from Labour, given it amounted to something like £27 a year.

[Yevrah]

36% exit poll vote share for Labour. Sounds like you're bang on Lewis.

[Jimmy Floyd]

36% exit poll vote share for Labour. Sounds like you're bang on Lewis.

That is so shit. There were signs that their support was ebbing in the last few days. They should be on 500 seats with this Tory number.

[Spikey M]

It amazes me that these people can't see the obvious. Labour didn't really win. The Tories lost and Labour are the obvious answer in what is essentially a 2 party system. Nobody is expecting this lot to do much.

[Yevrah]

That is so shit. There were signs that their support was ebbing in the last few days. They should be on 500 seats with this Tory number.

Yeah, they'd dropped from 44% to 40% on the last poll I saw. It's indicative of how bland their campaign was I'd suggest and for me almost makes this a Tory loss rather than a Labour landslide. The shittest government in my lifetime and the opposition only got just over a third of the votes? If that's correct it just isn't right.

[Magic]

AS for the SNP, I'd have a lot more respect for them if they were just honest and admitted they hate the English.

Who should we hate instead?

[7om]

But it's just so obvious the Tories view everyone who isn't them and their rich mates as actual pond scum. Even old people must be able to see it. Finding out that the Tories were having a good old piss-up when they couldn't visit their dying spouse because of covid restrictions, for example.

How anyone can look at themselves in the mirror knowing they voted for someone who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire in case it splashed their shoes is beyond me.

I don’t think there is level of malevolence in the Conservative Party. They’re incompetent, tone deaf and probably stupid but I don’t believe they actively hate people. There’s enough material to beat them with without exaggerating.

[Magic]

Yeah, they'd dropped from 44% to 40% on the last poll I saw. It's indicative of how bland their campaign was I'd suggest and for me almost makes this a Tory loss rather than a Labour landslide. The shittest government in my lifetime and the opposition only got just over a third of the votes? If that's correct it just isn't right.

It's literally the box factory skit from the Simpsons. May as well not even change.

[Yevrah]

Who should we hate instead?

I'm not saying you shouldn't, I just can't stand the dancing round the handbags the SNP do with it. Just come out and call a spade a spade, or rather, an Englishman a cunt. Like you did, which I respect.

[Spikey M]

Who should we hate instead?

The Welsh accent is pretty irritating.

[Yevrah]

It amazes me that these people can't see the obvious. Labour didn't really win. The Tories lost and Labour are the obvious answer in what is essentially a 2 party system. Nobody is expecting this lot to do much.

It's why I took umbrage with what Mandelson was saying earlier in that this campaign was better and the result more remarkable than Blair's first term. I remember that vividly, have watched loads of shit on it since and it's not even close.

[randomlegend]

I don’t think there is level of malevolence in the Conservative Party. They’re incompetent, tone deaf and probably stupid but I don’t believe they actively hate people. There’s enough material to beat them with without exaggerating.

They don't "hate" people. They simply do not care.

[Magic]

I'm not saying you shouldn't, I just can't stand the dancing round the handbags the SNP do with it. Just come out and call a spade a spade, or rather, an Englishman a cunt. Like you did, which I respect.

I don't want to be involved with or ultimately governed by a population that has these views and votes like yours does.

[Spikey M]

It's why I took umbrage with what Mandelson was saying earlier in that this campaign was better and the result more remarkable than Blair's first term. I remember that vividly, have watched loads of shit on it since and it's not even close.

From "Things can only get better" to "they can't be any worse".

[Spikey M]

I don't want to be involved with or ultimately governed by a population that has these views and votes like yours does.

What views?

[Waffdon]

The exit polls are usually pretty shit for Scotland so expect even less seats for SNP.

Tories gaining here is hilarious but not surprising

[Magic]

The boy in the Sunderland top. :D

[Spikey M]

The exit polls are usually pretty shit for Scotland so expect even less seats for SNP.

Tories gaining here is hilarious but not surprising

It was hugely surprising for me. I expected the SNP losses, but I expected the Tories to be completely annihilated. Why have they done comparatively well up there?

[7om]

Why is that cunt wearing a Sunderland shirt

[Magic]

What views?

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

[Yevrah]

I'm not sure I've ever seen a football shirt under a suit jacket before, but I am sure I never want to again.

[niko_cee]

Those Sunderland results look concerning.

[Spikey M]

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

I don't.

[Magic]

I don't.

Lol look at the first results, for example. Absolutely appalling.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Wearing a football shirt to the count should bar you from office. Infantilisation of everything continues apace.

[7om]

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Reform end up 2nd or 3rd in the popular vote.

[Magic]

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Reform end up 2nd or 3rd in the popular vote.

Yep. Get us independence from this hell.

[Spikey M]

Lol look at the first results, for example. Absolutely appalling.

The Reform vote you mean? You don't like English people that don't like outsiders? Who did you vote for again? And why? Sounds like you don't like outsiders cheif.

[Yevrah]

That's a crazy number of votes for a non-major party.

[Lewis]

36% exit poll vote share for Labour. Sounds like you're bang on Lewis.

I've been saying all along that somebody actually doing what they promised in 2019 would win. It makes you wonder how long a competent government that built houses, brought immigration back to nineties levels, and ruthlessly squashed criminals could reign supreme for.

[Magic]

The Reform vote you mean? You don't like English people that don't like outsiders? Who did you vote for again? And why? Sounds like you don't like outsiders cheif.

That's such a false equivalency lol.

[Lewis]

Big John McDonnell killing people with his glare on ITV.

[Spikey M]

That's such a false equivalency lol.

How did you get from laughing at Kittens being crushed under high heels to being like this?

[Waffdon]

It was hugely surprising for me. I expected the SNP losses, but I expected the Tories to be completely annihilated. Why have they done comparatively well up there?

Labour Scotland are a joke and got lolled out the country in 2014. Nice one, Jim.

I don’t think people have deliberately got the tories back in. A lot of SNP voters will have changed to Labour and in doing so handed the tories the seat. A lot of farmers in Scotland too. Cunts

[Magic]

How did you get from laughing at Kittens being crushed under high heels to being like this?

I got divorced from my horrible cunt wife and now life is great.

Hmm, maybe there's something in that, you know...

[Jimmy Floyd]

Kwasi Kwarteng has to be one of the oddest men in the world. I mean, top 20 with Uri Geller and co.

[niko_cee]

What the fuck is that get up?

[Magic]

This reform runner up guy in Sunderland is the same guy that quoted that image of a raw chicken and said it reminded him of an erotic image of his girlfriend. :D

[Manc]

Reform hitting 10,000. Heads have gone.

[Magic]

Jesus Christ you lot have lost your heads.

[Yevrah]

We're going to see Anne Widdecombe's ovaries explode at this rate...

[Lewis]

Kwasi Kwarteng has to be one of the oddest men in the world. I mean, top 20 with Uri Geller and co.

I saw him in the National Archives once wearing the thickest jumper you have ever seen. It was like a sleeping bag.

[Pepe]

I saw him in the National Archives once wearing the thickest jumper you have ever seen. It was like a sleeping bag.

You sure he didn't do a TTH and was wearing two jumpers?

[Jimmy Floyd]

These Reform gains are nothing to get excited about, these were strong Brexit party places last time. I'm taking the low side of this 13 seats.

[wullie]

Lib Dem man wearing a Sunderland shirt with a suit jacket is worse than anything the government have done in the last 14 years.

[Spikey M]

Jesus Christ you lot have lost your heads.

Labour have won, you absolutely fanny. The Reform votes are just Tories that didn't spoil their ballot or decide not to bother. They mean nothing. They'll be back to voting Tory next time.

[Waffdon]

Ehhh, maybe. Still a very racist country though.

[7om]

The funniest thing for me isn’t the Reform numbers. It’s the annihilation of SNP. I only wish I could see that fat cunt Ian Blackford’s reaction.

[Spikey M]

Ehhh, maybe. Still a very racist country though.

Not as racist as yours. 45% of you lot voted to leave us. Xenophobes.

[Boydy]

It's rising in Scandanavia too, no? Standard of living there is still pretty good last time I looked.



I did not and I'd obviously correct my opinion if it's as bad as you say, but it's simply not helpful labelling them fascists. It doesn't address the issues, embolden's their current voter base and brings more to the party as well.

We went through all of this with Brexit, how the hell are we making the same mistakes again?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JmkMpYbOoO0

I can't remember how to embed them properly.

The bit from 5:40 onwards was the worst IMO.

"Our police will be paramilitaries."

"We're bringing back the noose."

[Jimmy Floyd]

At some point people (including me) just have to deal with the fact that people everywhere in the entire history of the world have hated immigrants and the more of them there are, the more they hate them. Unchangeable, no matter how much virtue one thinks one gains by not hating them.

[Spikey M]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JmkMpYbOoO0

I can't remember how to embed them properly.

The bit from 5:40 onwards was the worst IMO.

"Our police will be paramilitaries."

"We're bringing back the noose."
"Throw the Jews down the well"

[Boydy]

But it's just so obvious the Tories view everyone who isn't them and their rich mates as actual pond scum. Even old people must be able to see it. Finding out that the Tories were having a good old piss-up when they couldn't visit their dying spouse because of covid restrictions, for example.

How anyone can look at themselves in the mirror knowing they voted for someone who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire in case it splashed their shoes is beyond me.

There were people on the ITV news last night who didn't know who Starmer was when they were shown a picture of him. Then they were told his name and still said they'd never heard of him. Some people just don't pay attention to anything. A lot of those people probably still vote, I guess.

[Magic]

At some point people (including me) just have to deal with the fact that people everywhere in the entire history of the world have hated immigrants and the more of them there are, the more they hate them. Unchangeable, no matter how much virtue one thinks one gains by not hating them.

It's all the comorbidities that come with it though.

[Spikey M]

There were people on the ITV news last night who didn't know who Starmer was when they were shown a picture of him. Then they were told his name and still said they'd never heard of him. Some people just don't pay attention to anything. A lot of those people probably still vote, I guess.

My wife - much like myself - didn't know who to vote for, and decided while stood in the booth, by looking at the addresses of those standing. The Lib Dem option lives in our village, so she voted for him without any idea who he is or what the Lib Dems stand for.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think Labour might be a higher number of seats than the exit poll and the Tories fewer. Could be wrong.

[Yevrah]

At some point people (including me) just have to deal with the fact that people everywhere in the entire history of the world have hated immigrants and the more of them there are, the more they hate them. Unchangeable, no matter how much virtue one thinks one gains by not hating them.

While that's probably true, when you hear that the population of Coventry came into the country in a single year it makes you wonder - I've never given a shit about immigration being a problem, but that sounds remarkably unsustainable.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Of course it's unsustainable and it's because our old friends 'business leaders' are addicted to wage suppression.

[Yevrah]

The hate fuck Dorries and Campbell need to have would be pretty epic.

[Spikey M]

Maybe Reform need to find a beer hall.

[7om]

Quite surprised at the low turnouts. I would’ve thought people would go out and vote against the Tories.

[Spikey M]

Quite surprised at the low turnouts. I would’ve thought people would go out and vote against the Tories.

The low turn out is because of the Tories. Many of their voters just haven't bothered this time.

[Yevrah]

Quite surprised at the low turnouts. I would’ve thought people would go out and vote against the Tories.

Combination of it being a done deal that Labour would get a sizeable majority and apathy at their campaign I'd imagine.

[Lewis]

While that's probably true, when you hear that the population of Coventry came into the country in a single year it makes you wonder - I've never given a shit about immigration being a problem, but that sounds remarkably unsustainable.

Total inward migration was more like four times the population of Coventry last year (and the year before that). Net migration in the whole of 1997 was 48000. That's about three weeks worth now. This in a country that hasn't built a national scale reservoir since I was at nursery.

The lol thing about all of the 'far right'/fascism panic is that you could make it go away in an afternoon if you just did what the average voter - the average voter, not serious people like me - wants on immigration. The fact that they choose not to suggests that it either isn't a serious threat, or it is, but, for some inexplicable reason, they choose to prioritise the short-term welfare of foreigners over the long-term survival of their entire system.

[Yevrah]

Vorderman. :D

[Boydy]

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[Jimmy Floyd]

BBC coverage is ludicrously bad. Just embarrassing to base a serious national operation up there in Salford, they don't have the quality of people for the job.

[Boydy]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JmkMpYbOoO0

I can't remember how to embed them properly.

The bit from 5:40 onwards was the worst IMO.

"Our police will be paramilitaries."

"We're bringing back the noose."
This is the guy who said those things.


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[Yevrah]

Is he the one Widdecombe was saying will have to be an independent if he wins?

[Yevrah]

BBC coverage is ludicrously bad. Just embarrassing to base a serious national operation up there in Salford, they don't have the quality of people for the job.

Yeah, I binned it and moved to C4 fairly quickly, it was just shit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Going to struggle to make it much further here but Tories are not getting 131 and Reform are not getting 13.

[Pleb]

https://x.com/thetimes/status/1809010431987519864

[Yevrah]

Going to struggle to make it much further here but Tories are not getting 131 and Reform are not getting 13.

Go on...?

[Boydy]

Is he the one Widdecombe was saying will have to be an independent if he wins?

George Jones? No, he's not standing as a candidate, he was working on their campaign team. Campaign director or something.

Edit: sorry, an events organiser for Farage.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Go on...?

They'll both do worse than the exit poll.

[Boydy]

Lol, Starmer down 10,000 votes in his own constituency.

[Boydy]

Lol, Starmer down 10,000 votes in his own constituency.

Actually, it's almost 18,000 down.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jezza should have run in H & St P.

Tory gain Leicester East. Indians are fucking mental. Like the Gaza crowd, like in a completely parallel existence which has nothing to do with the broader UK experience.

[Boydy]

Jonathan Ashworth lost his seat to some pro-Gaza independent.


Ahahahahahaha

[Boydy]

Jezza should have run in H & St P.

Tory gain Leicester East. Indians are fucking mental. Like the Gaza crowd, like in a completely parallel existence which has nothing to do with the broader UK experience.

Was it not mostly the Claudia Webbe factor in Leicester East?

[Jimmy Floyd]

And Keith Vaz, but the Tory vote held up ridiculously well.

Love to know what all these Gaza legend candidates think they can do about it as independents in the UK parliament. Sure they'll all represent their constituents wonderfully on all issues.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Labour struggling desperately in Muslim areas against Gaza people. Sectarian politics is here.

[Boydy]

Rees-Mogg out.

Paisley Jnr lost North Antrim as well.

Good stuff.

[Yevrah]

They'll both do worse than the exit poll.

I meant what made you think that.

[Ben]

Jezza :cool:

[Lofty]

George Galloway gone again :D

Out of interest what is immigration like north of the border? What percentage of the total UK migrants end up there, do they have the asylum seeker hotel takeovers etc? I didn't vote Reform, but there's a former posh hotel in my town been housing asylum seekers for ages now, resulting social media panic (rightly or wrongly) about foriegn men following women/taking pictures of children, and I got on the train the other day and it was one geezer on one table seemingly watching South Asian Tik Tok on his phone loudly between phone calls and another group at another table talking loudly in their native tongue.

In fact now I think about it when I got a taxi at the weekend the driver was on his phone to someone and that was another native language conversation. I can see why some people think this is concerning and feel like they aren't represented by either main party, especially people who previously lived in 99% white communities earlier in their lives and people tend to romanticise the past.

[Yevrah]

Not that you weren’t wrong. Hope Baz cashed out last night.

[Kikó]

Fuck reform.

[Ben]

Truss gone. :lol: