General Election 2024: Gone on the 4th of July

[Jimmy Floyd]

Seems a pretty daft thing to do, strategically speaking, but then this is the French left we're talking about.

[phonics]

Can we get someone to make a tv show about the positives of public ownership of fundamental services so that this country can do something about it. I swear the only way anything gets done in this country is if we make a popular drama series about it.

https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1906697638306554207

[niko_cee]

:D

Heard some state schoolboy on the radio today or the other day saying literally no one ever uses the term incel [or most of the yoof culture reprised in the great work] and that most of them just tease each other by calling each other virgins or whatever, which seemed very 20th century to me.

[phonics]

:D

Heard some state schoolboy on the radio today or the other day saying literally no one ever uses the term incel [or most of the yoof culture reprised in the great work] and that most of them just tease each other by calling each other virgins or whatever, which seemed very 20th century to me.

They were probably the guy everyone else was referring to as the incel.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Because all anyone wants to do is sit indoors and watch video content, there's no other way of getting through to them.

[Yevrah]

Can we get someone to make a tv show about the positives of public ownership of fundamental services so that this country can do something about it. I swear the only way anything gets done in this country is if we make a popular drama series about it.

https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1906697638306554207

Jesus fuck. At least the post office people were actual real humans.

The traction this thing has gained is utterly ludicrous and showing it in schools? Do these people even understand how schools work? Kids will laugh at it and then shout Jamie at whoever the unpopular kid with mild anger management issues is.

Madness.

[Disco]

Marine Le Pen? The same Le Pen who advocated for lifetime bans for political corruption and complained that the French justice system was too lenient? Surely Monsieur leopard would not mange my face? Get fucked you dried up old bitch.

[Yevrah]

I've just looked at the Twitter thread Keir posted that in and it's taken Tristan fucking Tate a few replies down to point out the bloody obvious.

I take it back Spikey, we're doomed.

[niko_cee]

Marine Le Pen? The same Le Pen who advocated for lifetime bans for political corruption and complained that the French justice system was too lenient? Surely Monsieur leopard would not mange my face? Get fucked you dried up old bitch.

Al Gore could be on for a sequel.

[niko_cee]

They were probably the guy everyone else was referring to as the incel.

Without wanting to miss the point of Adolescence entirely without having seen it, being as it features a 13 year old boy as the main protagonist, aren't all 13 year old boys sort of legally required to be incels?

[Spikey M]

I've just looked at the Twitter thread Keir posted that in and it's taken Tristan fucking Tate a few replies down to point out the bloody obvious.

I take it back Spikey, we're doomed.

30 odd years ago, we had groups of - mostly - privately educated, straight, white men, sitting down discussing the likes of the spread of HIV amongst gay men, criminality amongst black youths, etc, and it took alot of good work from those communities to point out that those cunts had no idea what they were talking about and that representation was key to finding both understanding and solutions.

Well, here we are, 2025, back to the same shit. Sure it's less white and less male, but there's not a single young, working class male at the table discussing it. Which is why such obvious nonsense is pouring forth.

[Magic]

Without wanting to miss the point of Adolescence entirely without having seen it, being as it features a 13 year old boy as the main protagonist, aren't all 13 year old boys sort of legally required to be incels?

Yes but you kind of harbor these thoughts internally and get over them once you realise society isn't accepting of them and you're just being a mook.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The older I get, the more I'm realising (hopefully in a non-incelly way) how massive an impact women's liberation has had on everything, and may even be the biggest cause of the decline in western civilisation if indeed there is such a decline. Good news for women, obviously, but - other than in Scandinavian countries where they have huge resources and money to chuck at a very small population so are living life on easy mode - our societies in general haven't remotely caught up with the effects of women no longer being unpaid domestic labourers. The whole of society is basically set up for this to be the case and too many things need to change but simply haven't changed as a result of that coming to an end.

[phonics]

It's far too early for me to be reacting to 'womens liberation is the downfall of society' from the bloke that was terrified to come out to his family because of how he'd be judged so I'll just move on.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If you had had better English classes at your international school, you'd have been able to read properly and therefore discern that I didn't say that women's liberation was the downfall of society, but that a failure to make the requisite changes in response to it has been.

[Yevrah]

Jim, you should know better than to make a point that can be so easily and wilfully misconstrued.

[phonics]

As I said, it's too early for me to be commenting. My apologies.

[Lewis]

30 odd years ago, we had groups of - mostly - privately educated, straight, white men, sitting down discussing the likes of the spread of HIV amongst gay men, criminality amongst black youths, etc, and it took alot of good work from those communities to point out that those cunts had no idea what they were talking about and that representation was key to finding both understanding and solutions.

Well, here we are, 2025, back to the same shit. Sure it's less white and less male, but there's not a single young, working class male at the table discussing it. Which is why such obvious nonsense is pouring forth.

And thanks to the good work of those communities, HIV is still largely confined to gay men (and African immigrants), and black youths still commit laughably disproportionate amounts of crime. The equivalent here would be showering dysfunctional working class men with money and renaming the M25 the Wifebeater Orbital.

[Lofty]

When can I expect my cheque?

[Spikey M]

Turn the lights off, it's lit up like Mick Philpott illuminations in 'ere

[Dquincy]

The older I get, the more I'm realising (hopefully in a non-incelly way) how massive an impact women's liberation has had on everything, and may even be the biggest cause of the decline in western civilisation if indeed there is such a decline. Good news for women, obviously, but - other than in Scandinavian countries where they have huge resources and money to chuck at a very small population so are living life on easy mode - our societies in general haven't remotely caught up with the effects of women no longer being unpaid domestic labourers. The whole of society is basically set up for this to be the case and too many things need to change but simply haven't changed as a result of that coming to an end.

This is spot on. The shift in women working outside of the domestic role has had a massive effect on society. This is magnified more so when offspring are brought into the equation. The modern flexible working had helped with this but I still think it presents many challenges.

It also stems from a message telling women that being a stay at home mum is less important than a working career, which is complete bollocks.

I do wonder what the tax implication would be if women stopped working and went back to the domestic role, and how this would affect government income.

[Magic]

Look at the autists decrying women's rights. Shock.

[Yevrah]

I forgot to ask when Jimmy posted that originally, what many things needed to change but haven't?

[Yevrah]

Look at the autists decrying women's rights. Shock.

Look at the professional offence takers all rallying to stifle the discussion by portraying it as something it isn't.

[Boydy]

Wages aren't high enough for a single earner to support a family any more. Wages are too low and housing costs too high are the problems with the modern world, not fucking women working.

[Yevrah]

I do wonder what the tax implication would be if women stopped working and went back to the domestic role, and how this would affect government income.

It's hard to see this in the graphs (because the UK's GDP grew at a steep rate throughout the whole of the 20th century), but the impact on GDP and tax of a 50% increase in Women working between the 70s and 90s (ish) must have been massive. Well, unless Men were working less as a result, but anecdotally that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Boydy]

It also stems from a message telling women that being a stay at home mum is less important than a working career, which is complete bollocks.


That sounds all well and good but then your husband decides to fuck off and you've given up your career and suddenly now you're a single parent with children to support and no career.

Also, would you want to be stuck at home all day with no adult interaction and just kids to talk to? I fucking wouldn't, it'd be mind-numbing and I don't blame women for not wanting to do it either.

[Yevrah]

Wages aren't high enough for a single earner to support a family any more. Wages are too low and housing costs too high are the problems with the modern world, not fucking women working.

I watch a bit of Rory Sutherland on Youtube (a fairly eccentric "marketing wanker") and among the good points he makes was that due to technological advances and a huge decrease in cost of those technological advances (compare the cost of any white or black goods now vs the 80s, even without adjusting for inflation and think of all the things that just didn't exist then that do now) the standard of living and excess cash should be through the roof for most people now vs back then. It isn't because all of that excess cash/time saved has been eaten up by an absolutely ludicrous increase in housing costs.

[Magic]

Lol trickle down economics mate.

[Yevrah]

That sounds all well and good but then your husband decides to fuck off and you've given up your career and suddenly now you're a single parent with children to support and no career.

Also, would you want to be stuck at home all day with no adult interaction and just kids to talk to? I fucking wouldn't, it'd be mind-numbing and I don't blame women for not wanting to do it either.

I know I'm in a massive minority with this one, but individually and 99.9% of the time I simply can't see a net upside in having kids, whether you're a Man or a Woman. It also staggers/amuses me when people who think the World is shit and only going to get worse still have kids.

[Boydy]

I watch a bit of Rory Sutherland on Youtube (a fairly eccentric "marketing wanker") and among the good points he makes was that due to technological advances and a huge decrease in cost of those technological advances (compare the cost of any white or black goods now vs the 80s, even without adjusting for inflation and think of all the things that just didn't exist then that do now) the standard of living and excess cash should be through the roof for most people now vs back then. It isn't because all of that excess cash/time saved has been eaten up by an absolutely ludicrous increase in housing costs.

Yeah, it's like the standard boomer response of "oh, we made do without smartphones and flat screen TVs" when even if you were to forego those things these days (not really all that possible to partake in society without a smartphone now and other types of TV aren't available any more), it's not going to give you a mortgage deposit.

[Pepe]

It isn't because all of that excess cash/time saved has been eaten up by an absolutely ludicrous increase in housing costs.

Housing + education + healthcare end up soaking all of the increase in productivity. Excess cash is through the roof though, but we are not working 15 hours like Keynes predicted. It will be hard to remove the stronghold those three have too, with healthcare probably being the hardest. Housing should in theory be the easiest (build more), but the bats say hi.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I hope we don't grow old as badly as the boomers have. They struggle desperately with quite simple concepts and just inability to comprehend that things are different now compared to 1981.

[Lofty]

I like to think of our generation as the one who bridged the gap, born in a pre internet world (widespread internet anyway) and grew up with a pretty basic iteration of it. God help the kids who have grown up now with it's stranglehold on everything.

[Yevrah]

I hope we don't grow old as badly as the boomers have. They struggle desperately with quite simple concepts and just inability to comprehend that things are different now compared to 1981.

It’s too much to cope with in such a short space of time. They went from 1981 when literally all there was to do was fuck, to a World where you can have human contact without ever meeting a human.

I guess the previous generation coped better as they’d lived through a World War and/or the aftermath and I guess once you’ve done that everything else is water off a duck’s back.

[Magic]

All that lead in the water.

[Lofty]

Or conversely were so scarred by it they were numb to change. David Mitchell made a good point in Unruly about forgiving the mental shit in the immediate aftermath of the plague because in a world where half the people you know, regardless of age, gender, race, etc all die horrendous painful deaths in quick succession the entire world likely had mass PTSD on the back of it.

Look how many people haven't got over Covid, which despite people desperately trying to compare it to WW2 was more like a weird blip. I would suggest that whilst technology makes some people more resilient to these things it probably skull fucks those who are already mentally ill.

[randomlegend]

https://www.bma.org.uk/media/p13leadh/20250208-bma-reporting-portal-submissions.pdf

This is fucking wild. 116 pages.

[Boydy]

Want to give any indication of what it is or am I supposed to just click and download some random pdf and hope for the best?

[Pepe]

Read it all you slacker.

[randomlegend]

Want to give any indication of what it is or am I supposed to just click and download some random pdf and hope for the best?

It's a dossier of concerns doctors have submitted about PAs for the Leng review.

[niko_cee]

You don't really need to read much more than page 1 after the introduction.


NP 148 – A PA in GP surgery saw a woman with post menopausal bleeding and documented a normal cervical examination. She came to clinic and had a 6cm cervical cancer.

:/


NP 557 – Independently working, caused a tracheal tear on intubation, failed to recognise seriousness, discharged patient from day-case surgery. Patient represented peri-arrest with surgical emphysema requiring ICU and transfer to cardiothoracics.

There must be thousands of these.

[Yevrah]

How do you know if you’re being seen by one of these chancers? Do they tell you? Are they obliged to if you ask?

[Magic]

Want to give any indication of what it is or am I supposed to just click and download some random pdf and hope for the best?

ChatGPT interrogate it?

And then post your top 10 hot takes.

[randomlegend]

How do you know if you’re being seen by one of these chancers? Do they tell you? Are they obliged to if you ask?

They are unregulated so what they are "supposed" to do is more or less meaningless. If they do things they aren't "supposed" to do, there's nobody to report them to. They essentially have free reign to do whatever they want.

You'll see in that document that many of them have done things - prescribing and requesting ionising radiation - which are literally illegal, and nothing has happened to them.

[Magic]

But deregulation is good. Right?

Right?

[Pepe]

Can be good if you as a customer can choose. If the government is going to charge you the same regardless of doctor or noctor, then not so much.

[Dquincy]

Wages aren't high enough for a single earner to support a family any more. Wages are too low and housing costs too high are the problems with the modern world, not fucking women working.

This is a fair comment. Cost of living has gone up which has pushed the majority of households to ensure there are 2 incomes. Is that additional income significantly helpful once you have childcare costs to factor in because both parents are at work? I don't know.

[Dquincy]

That sounds all well and good but then your husband decides to fuck off and you've given up your career and suddenly now you're a single parent with children to support and no career.

Also, would you want to be stuck at home all day with no adult interaction and just kids to talk to? I fucking wouldn't, it'd be mind-numbing and I don't blame women for not wanting to do it either.

Re your first paragraph, they would receive child maintenance so it's not like they are left high and dry. But fair point in that their career effectively goes on hold.

On the second point, I think the mother is by far more maternal than the husband and wouldn't have such a strong viewpoint as that. And if they did, then why did they have children if they didn't want to spend time with them?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I forgot to ask when Jimmy posted that originally, what many things needed to change but haven't?

Both parents working full daytime jobs in a protestant northern European society (i.e. no large extended families locally as a norm) is basically impossible to reconcile with the successful upbringing of children unless employers concede efficiency points, which they do not, ever. Everyone I know with kids is completely reliant on the grandparents to cover childcare, even if this means the grandparents driving hundreds of miles on the regular.

The knock on effects of that are crippling costs, stress, shit parenting, divorce, and so on.

[Dquincy]

It also staggers/amuses me when people who think the World is shit and only going to get worse still have kids.
With a declining birth rate, unless you're Muslim, it's vital that people have children. This too has been impacted by the western society shift in women working.

The global birth rate has been declining for the past 70 years. In 1950, you had 5 children per woman, now it's 2.1 per woman and on a downward trajectory. I'm not saying we need to get back to 5 kids in every family but it is interesting to see where this will lead our economy and society as a whole.

[Magic]

Hopefully less people like you.

[Disco]

:D

[Boydy]

Re your first paragraph, they would receive child maintenance so it's not like they are left high and dry. But fair point in that their career effectively goes on hold.

On the second point, I think the mother is by far more maternal than the husband and wouldn't have such a strong viewpoint as that. And if they did, then why did they have children if they didn't want to spend time with them?

Child maintenance is not enough to make up the difference of what the husband would have been bringing in previously.

On your last question - there's a huge difference between wanting to spend time with your kids and wanting to spend every waking moment with them and having very little adult interaction and intellectual stimulation on a day-to-day basis.

[Boydy]

Both parents working full daytime jobs in a protestant northern European society (i.e. no large extended families locally as a norm) is basically impossible to reconcile with the successful upbringing of children unless employers concede efficiency points, which they do not, ever. Everyone I know with kids is completely reliant on the grandparents to cover childcare, even if this means the grandparents driving hundreds of miles on the regular.

The knock on effects of that are crippling costs, stress, shit parenting, divorce, and so on.
How do the Nordics do things? Don't they have good childcare provision?

What does Germany do?

I suspect this is much more of an Anglo problem because we don't fucking design any aspect of society to make life easier or better for people.

[Boydy]

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[Pepe]

We really live in an idiots everywhere world, don't we.

[Pepe]

How do the Nordics do things? Don't they have good childcare provision?

What does Germany do?

I suspect this is much more of an Anglo problem because we don't fucking design any aspect of society to make life easier or better for people.

The Nordics also have terrible birth rates, as do the Germans.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There's a basically constant correlation between women's lib and declining birth rates in the world. Because why wouldn't there be? As a woman with wider life opportunity than having five kids by 23 and then putting clothes through the mangle for the rest of your life, you'd be insane to make that as a choice.

It's really more a cultural solution than a political one. In the post woman stays at home while the man goes out to work world, society will have to decouple economic efficiency from virtue at least for some people. What does that mean? Fucked if I know.

[Boydy]

We really live in an idiots everywhere world, don't we.

Is that in relation to Carney building houses?

[Magic]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx48gq0y77o

Sigh.

[randomlegend]

Was he your supplier then?

[Magic]

Need to source a new Kidflix IPTV.

[Dquincy]

Hopefully less people like you.

What bit did you disagree with?

[Magic]

Nothing, you're just a giant spaz.

[Dquincy]

You make no sense.

[Boydy]

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First talking about nationalising British steel and now this. Labour getting outflanked to the left on economics by Reform, the stupid fucking cunts.

At least I'll get to see the shit-eating grin wiped off Wesley Streeting's face when he loses his seat at the next election. I'm sure he has a cushy directorship or two lined up already though.

[Dquincy]

Re the water authorities, or train operators, I can't remember what the trains were like pre privatisation. However, it can't be choice between nationalised = shit performance, or privatised = money grabbing dividend paying owners who won't reinvest enough £££.

[Magic]

Plus shit performance.

[Lewis]

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I proper lost it at 'comparing *Adolescence* with Casualty' (2:15) like she's just said she could win Wimbledon. There is a lot to be said for just laughing at these people.

[Boydy]

Has Starmer even watched it? He's called it a documentary a couple of times.

Naga Munchetty called it a documentary there too. :facepalm:

Fair play to Badenoch there, she's bang on for basically telling them they're fucking stupid cunts.

[Yevrah]

This is all genuinely absurd. Proper Emperor's New Clothes stuff.

[Ben]

What's the spin with this then? I enjoyed it and thought it was quite powerful, especially for parents with kids around that age or coming up to that age, but how is it suddenly being pushed as mandated viewing in schools with all this MP support?

:sherlock:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Because MPs love to associate themselves with popular things.

[Ben]

There's a difference between associating and pushing it for it to be required viewing in schools though. There's no way in my opinion Labour have decided off their own back to push for this without some sort of lobbying. The vast majority of kids are absolutely fine and exposing them needlessly to this is completely reckless and could easily end up with the Government in court if it had the wrong effect and turned one of these otherwise-unsuspecting kids.

To come out and give it public backing is fair enough, but for then to go this one step further is all a bit suspicious to me. Unless I'm giving them too much credit and they're just morons who haven't thought it through.

[Kikó]

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I proper lost it at 'comparing *Adolescence* with Casualty' (2:15) like she's just said she could win Wimbledon. There is a lot to be said for just laughing at these people.

You not seen game of thrones mate?

[Lofty]

You don't know who Zammo is?!

[Boydy]

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Theory: someone involved in the production company is related to a cabinet minister.

[Shindig]

There was also something about the production company remaking Threads.

[Yevrah]

A foray into Women that murder babies and somehow how that’s Men’s fault is much needed. Forced showing in schools too obvs.

[Pepe]

Pumping their Netflix stocks. Straight out of the Tronald playbook.

[Boydy]

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I'm not sure how you get growth (growth, growth) when so many people have so little to spend.

[Yevrah]

You don’t, but as long as we’re all focused on the merits of Adolescence vs Casualty there’s nothing to see here.

[randomlegend]

17.8m having an annual income under £12,570 is pretty mental.

[Shindig]

I wonder how many of them are entirely running on benefits?

This kind of disparity will always happen but it's stark to see so many on so little.

[Spikey M]

Well, according to the first reply, 12.7 million of them are retirees, so I imagine the rest are benefit claimants of one kind or another.

I would say the average UK wage being 35k is a bigger issue. Especially considering that's before tax and rent is rarely less than a grand.

Don't ask for higher wages though, plebs. Just keep taking in debt plz. Regards, BoE.

[Kikó]

How many are students in that number?

[Shindig]

It's the thing I didn't realise when I first started work. The numbers get higher but you don't feel the difference. I remember thinking £25k a year was going to be life-changing money. I'm on that now and it's not far removed from minimum wage. It's also just £3k off the regional average. :|

[Kikó]

It does start to make a difference as long as you don't rise all your expenses alongside it.

[Shindig]

How many are students in that number?

According to HESA, there's 2.9m students in higher education. I assume they'll all be part of the 55m because it was derived from how many people (well, it's estimated) don't meet the income tax threshold.

[Lofty]

It does start to make a difference as long as you don't rise all your expenses alongside it.

Not so much now because they froze the tax brackets, really they could do to review them so people felt the benefit more rather than essentially being punished for earning slightly more than they did before but then how do we pay for the Ukrainian front huh huh huh.

[Yevrah]

Lofty, how dare you question the money we’re spending on Ukraine. Jesus.

[Shindig]

It's going to be interesting to see if the steel mill can outspend that military assistance.

[Spikey M]

I'd say any attempt to get our national assets back in British hands is to be commended, but short of everyone paying 100% tax, I fear that ship sailed some time ago.

[Pepe]

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I'm not sure how you get growth (growth, growth) when so many people have so little to spend.

How do you get higher wages without growth?

[Magic]

Tax the rich.

[Shindig]

That's not going to reach any of our pockets.

[Lewis]

The government and its peripherals likes Adolescence because it allows them to discuss juvenile stabbings and misogyny - important things - with reference to normal white boys from normal white families. If they attempted to study those things from scratch, and without reference to what the television says, they would rapidly end up having to back away from the obvious conclusions like when those viral videos of women being borderline molested in city centres die a death as soon as people clock that all of the men in them are foreign.

[Magic]

That's not going to reach any of our pockets.

I really don't care at this point.

[Lewis]

How do you get higher wages without growth?

Our second largest city is currently waist-deep in its own rubbish because the bin men are on strike. Unfortunately, the local government can't just pay them off, because a judge recently woke up one morning and decided to interpret equal pay legislation to mean that completely different jobs were now of 'equal value' and must be paid the same. This means that if the local government chooses to pay them more it will have to raise the wages of thousands of other people doing all manner of jobs that have got nothing to do with rubbish collection (except it can't anyway because it is already bankrupt settling historic claims against it for not doing so previously).

So yeah, just tax the rich a bit more.

[Spikey M]

Ideally we could tax the rich and not have retarded people in charge of everything. Judges included.

[Pepe]

Our second largest city is currently waist-deep in its own rubbish because the bin men are on strike. Unfortunately, the local government can't just pay them off, because a judge recently woke up one morning and decided to interpret equal pay legislation to mean that completely different jobs were now of 'equal value' and must be paid the same. This means that if the local government chooses to pay them more it will have to raise the wages of thousands of other people doing all manner of jobs that have got nothing to do with rubbish collection (except it can't anyway because it is already bankrupt settling historic claims against it for not doing so previously).

So yeah, just tax the rich a bit more.

I swear that every time we try to make anything 'more equal', it just ends making everyone worse off. Equality might be better than inequality, but as a main goal, it has an atrocious track record.

[Luke Emia]

I think you are missing the bit on the income that a hell of a lot of people are self-employed and will pay themselves £12,570 so they don’t pay any tax. There is a whole industry around it with people in the construction industry claiming tax rebates after deducting their costs and reducing their income down.

There is a simple way to get those people paying more tax into the economy make them be employees and collect PAYE from the employer. But, that would cost rich people so it’s a no go.

[Pepe]

So between retired people, self-employed people, students, people on benefits, etc., that statistic is completely meaningless, isn't it?

[Lofty]

Just fancy that! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz798wrd81jo

[Lewis]

Moving to Bradford to own the fash.

[Boydy]

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Is that good?

[Shindig]

I don't think it means much. It's a public poll about something most people (probably) don't have a solid opinion on.

[Spikey M]

What people do have an opinion on, is the pennies in their pockets. Which is what this is really showing.

No idea what people were so optimistic about in 2015, mind.

[Shindig]

There's no consistency in it beyond wild regular swings from GREAT to SHITE. I guess you could say the peak of the GREATs are lessening and were never that optimistic to begin with. I'd say that's bang on with the miserable British psyche.

[Boydy]

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[Lewis]

Dominic Cummings wrote ten years ago that David Cameron considered his role as Prime Minister to be the nation's 'uber pundit'.

[Magic]

I agree, tax the fat.

[Yevrah]

The only party who in theory could at least try and tax the uber rich and they're doing shit like that instead. Nigel must be lolling himself to sleep every night. Might as well let him in to measure up now.

[Lofty]

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I mean you could argue the hand wringing over an outspoken group that receive government funding has long been a favoured target of Sarkar and friends if saying something they don't agree with, so they've contributed to it as much as anyone with there twitter house of commons schtick.

[Boydy]

Crucial difference though - they are actually pundits.

[Boydy]

Some interesting stuff in this thread of tweets.

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[Yevrah]

While things are far from as good as they have been I think there’s an element of this that becomes self perpetuating due to the doom machine that is the internet.

Almost Everything on it is either fear or ideology driven.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We are absolutely crying out for a centre-right nationalist legend (not Farage, an actual one) who sticks it to the corporate class.

Most that you see masquerading in the public eye fail on the latter clause there because money and status are extremely important to them. Tony Blair perhaps the original for that, his greatest weakness was his (and his wife's) obsession with cash.

[Boydy]

Why does his wife always get the blame?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Read any decent biography of Blair and you'll see she deserves it.

[Pepe]

Haven't you been on zero growth for a few years? Of course people will think that things will get worse in the next year. Why would they think otherwise?

[Pepe]

I'm far from a doom and glom type, but I think that the economy of the US will get worse in the next 12 months and drag everyone else with it.

[Spikey M]

Basically zero growth since 2008, I think.

[Yevrah]

Basically zero growth since 2008, I think.

Given some things must have grown in that time where has the decline been? Do we know? It doesn't seem to be often talked about.

[Boydy]

Basically zero growth since 2008, I think.

Nah, there's been growth but it hasn't gone to your average working Joe.

[Boydy]

Don't worry though, we're going to start drone striking fly-tippers.

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[Boydy]

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Probably is their main concern.

[randomlegend]

Is that actually saying they'll crush people's cars for fly tipping? :lol:

[Boydy]

Apparently so. It's fine to pollute the public realm if you're a water company though.

[niko_cee]

I would crush people's cars for poor parking. Bring on the roving car crushers. Best government idea in years.

[Pepe]

What is a fly tipper?

[niko_cee]

Someone who just dumps rubbish anywhere, like, large amounts. Turn up to secluded country lane, empty 5 tons of rubbish, leave [for someone else to deal with].

Obviously this will end with some granny having her Seicento crushed after dropping a kit kat wrapper.

[Pepe]

If they make a big event out of crushing the cars, I'm all for it. Line them all up in the city centre and have a monster truck drive over there or something.