F1 2021 - Covid 2: Viral Boogaloo

[Jimmy Floyd]

Verstappen now running with a grievance, Mercedes can't allow them to be on the same bit of road again, far too risky.

[Disco]

I hope Hamilton wins by like two minutes.

Came back in here to say I hope Hamilton tyre manages him to death from here.

[Gray Fox]

Odds on an Alpha Tauri pulling to the side should Lewis start pulling away?

[Shindig]

Max made the corner (a testament to how fucking good he is on the brakes) but Lewis had nowhere to go. "You always leave a space."

[Gray Fox]

Lads, if Giggles agrees with Lewis, then Max was a twat.

[Disco]

Finally a day when stupid run off comes in useful.

[-james-]

Well this is over then.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Like Ted's saying there, they're reaping their crops from the Descida do Lago there.

Oh fuck off Horner.

[Pepe]

If you penalize Hamilton there, everyone would just divebomb it into every single corner. How could he possibly stay within the track without hitting Verstappen? Impossible.

[SincereTheRebel]

Team bosses crying on the radio to the stewards is embarrassing.

[Giggles]

Lads, if Giggles agrees with Lewis, then Max was a twat.

It’s clear as day. The commentator stance was very odd. I know they want it kept as close for as long as possible but there’s no way Hamilton had any other option there.

[Yevrah]

The lead keeps getting bigger. How many seconds are hard to pull back?

[Jimmy Floyd]

'Jonathan' can fuck off too, must be the whiniest man in all of sport.

Derek Warwick coming through for the Brits, what a man.

[Serj]

Really happy with the decision there, Verstappen did his usual "you give me the position or else"-routine, which shouldn't be rewarded.

[Giggles]

The lead keeps getting bigger. How many seconds are hard to pull back?

Without a safety car or mistake or something, this even can’t.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Anything can be pulled back if he gets on the quicker tyres at the right time later, but definitely advantage Hamilton at this point.

[Gray Fox]

A massive undercut can give you 3-5 seconds if you nail it on a good circuit. Max having to blink first is a nightmare with the tyres this way around.

[Disco]

'Jonathan' can fuck off too, must be the whiniest man in all of sport.

How he didn't burst into flame with that last one I do not know.

[Disco]

A massive undercut can give you 3-5 seconds if you nail it on a good circuit. Max having to blink first is a nightmare with the tyres this way around.

You'd think Hamilton should be able to cover the pitstop when it comes and keep him at arms length.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm more clear cut on it with every replay. Hamilton sees him coming, there is LOADS of room for Verstappen to go through, so why does he force Hamilton off the road?

[Giggles]

The incident meant there wasn’t much about the start either but that was unreal considering the tyres also.

Edit - and just as I say that…

[Giggles]

Is Brundle really still questioning it?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The incident irrelevant anyway, looks like Hamilton would have cruised past him with this tyre delta.

[Pleb]

Red Bull on the wrong tyres has probably handed Lewis the win. Max's shit start hasn't helped either.

[Gray Fox]

Good to see Valtteri putting in a good supporting race.

[Disco]

I don't remember when it stopped being necessary to leave space, if you can't make a pass and leave space for the other car then it wasn't on.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Did Hamilton need to come in that early?

[Disco]

Are they leaving Perez out to slow up Hamilton, surely he'll be no barrier.

[Pepe]

It was a divebomb if I ever saw one. Went straight past the apex and only turned once he reached the curbs. Not an appropriate way of overtaking at any level.

[Giggles]

Are they leaving Perez out to slow up Hamilton, surely he'll be no barrier.

His tyres will be in shite too.

[Pleb]

Yes and yes.

[Pepe]

Did Hamilton need to come in that early?

I guess that they might not want to risk some pacecar shenanigans or something.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Funny how he makes the corner when he's passing Sainz.

[Disco]

Did Hamilton need to come in that early?

No but why risk it. There's no tyre advantage and Verstappen will have to use his harder in order to catch and pass him which looks unlikely from here.

On the move, lots of times that could easily go the other way and Hamilton would be penalised but I feel this is very much pigeons coming home to roost.

[Yevrah]

Are they leaving Perez out to slow up Hamilton, surely he'll be no barrier.

Why is Perez not slowing down now to get his arse in Hamilton's face?

[Disco]

Why is Perez not slowing down now to get his arse in Hamilton's face?

He'll catch him anyway and this gives Verstappen more time to clear the rest of the cars in between.

[Gray Fox]

He is now. Lewis just needs to avoid a clash here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Perez unbelievably aggressive there.

[Pepe]

Ok, that was nice from Perez.

[Yevrah]

This, I have to say, is fucking brilliant.

[Waffdon]

Perez is so good

[Jimmy Floyd]

How has all that cost Lewis seven seconds?

[Gray Fox]

Perez with hard but fair there.

Max could learn something.

[Pleb]

Okay I loved that.

[Disco]

Great from Perez, that's the most useful he's been all season.

[Giggles]

That was some great stuff from Perez. Got about a minute extra out of it that I thought he would.

[Waffdon]

7 seconds in 2 laps. Bloody hell, not that it will make much of a difference

[Jimmy Floyd]

I wish Perez had driven like that in combat all his career. Guess that's the benefit of experience and not being chucked onto the slagheap like all his Red Bull predecessors.

[Yevrah]

How is a man who won pole struggling to keep up with Hamilton unless his teammate is doing him a solid?

[Disco]

How is a man who won pole struggling to keep up with Hamilton unless his teammate is doing him a solid?

One lap pace does not always translate to long run/race pace.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How is a man who won pole struggling to keep up with Hamilton unless his teammate is doing him a solid?

His teammate did him a solid in qualifying as well, giving him a tow down the back straight. In race trim, the Mercedes looks the slightly better package, at least in Hamilton's hands.

[Serj]

The interviews with Marko and Horner after this will be quite something. Can already see Marko invoking some grand conspiracy nonsense.

[Pepe]

On soft tyres.

[Gray Fox]

How is a man who won pole struggling to keep up with Hamilton unless his teammate is doing him a solid?

Mercedes set the car up for the race conditions.

Max set his up for qualifying to try and gain track position on Lewis.

[Disco]

The interviews with Marko and Horner after this will be quite something. Can already see Marko invoking some grand conspiracy nonsense.

I'm so ready for it :drool:

[Yevrah]

Cheers gents.

[Gray Fox]

I suspect there’ll be another twist in this yet.

[Disco]

Who else believes Hamilton even one iota when he says that about his tyres? He'll probably do another 60 laps from here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I suspect there’ll be another twist in this yet.

Red Bull have to try to force one, but now Perez is more than a pitstop behind, I'm not sure how many options they have.

[Disco]

Red Bull have to try to force one, but now Perez is more than a pitstop behind, I'm not sure how many options they have.

Hard to see what they can do that Mercedes can't just copy a lap later.

[Yevrah]

Can Perez tank it and hold Hamilton up again when he tries to lap him?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Can Perez tank it and hold Hamilton up again when he tries to lap him?

He could but it would be illegal, unlike fighting hard for position.

[Yevrah]

Ah, very good rule in that case then.

[Disco]

He can cost him time but nothing like the first time, I forget how many blue flags you get shown before being penalised but we're into proper filthy tactics at that point.

[Waffdon]

Why did he park there :lol:

[Disco]

I know it's a slightly false impression because of the lack of stabilisation but the helmet cam shots make it look like a nightmare to try and drive these things.

[Gray Fox]

He could have parked that in such a better spot

[John Arne]

Struggling to get why Giovanazzi decided to dump his car there.

[Gray Fox]

Hamilton committed to staying to the end now. Max needs about a second per lap from here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Well now he's just got to get to the end on these tyres.

Think Merc probably made the right call there, on balance.

[Disco]

Will it last long enough for Hamilton get around and make a stop as well?

Edit: Nope, spicy from here.

[John Arne]

He could have parked that in such a better spot

Exactly. He had no gears, but could have easily gone right next to the gap.

[Waffdon]

Why wouldn’t Hamilton just pit?

[Spikey M]

Odd choice to not pit from Hamilton. Hopefully it costs him.

[Disco]

Why wouldn’t Hamilton just pit?

Verstappen was always going to do the opposite of Hamilton so he'd have been behind had he pitted.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Why wouldn’t Hamilton just pit?

Because then he'd have to overtake Verstappen on the track, which leaves it open to what we've seen Max do the last 10 or so times Hamilton has tried to overtake him.

[Waffdon]

Lewis has went from 1.10 in play to 1.6. It’s happening :drool:

[Pepe]

Has anyone managed the catch up and overtake this season at all? I feel like we've seen this scenario numerous times and it always fizzles out.

[Lewis]

This was looking like a bit of a damp squib.

[Gray Fox]

I think Merc have fucked it unless Max pushes too hard.

[Waffdon]

Has anyone managed the catch up and overtake this season at all? I feel like we've seen this scenario numerous times and it always fizzles out.

Hamilton at Brazil?

[Spikey M]

It's a shame it hasn't rained in Dubai since 1923, because that would be amazing right now.

[Yevrah]

Max is definitely cutting the gap, nearly two seconds over the last 3/4 minutes.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Has anyone managed the catch up and overtake this season at all? I feel like we've seen this scenario numerous times and it always fizzles out.

Hamilton in Brazil. But yeah, mostly it fails due to dirty air.

On the old circuit this would be game over. 15 laps of greatness needed for either of them.

[Pepe]

Then again, he does not need to overtake. Crashing him out works equally well.

[7om]

I don’t think Max can catch him.

[Disco]

He's not catching fast enough is he? Depends now how far the tyres drop off.

[Gray Fox]

This would be the ultimate “Bono, my tyres” job from here if he does it.

[Disco]

This would be the ultimate “Bono, my tyres” job from here if he does it.

*Sets fastest lap on last lap*

[Jimmy Floyd]

Full marks to Brundle somehow managing to mention Philippe Alliot in this of all races.

[Pepe]

Perez should get third in the championship ahead of Bottas just for today's display.

[7om]

Is this Hamilton’s fresh(ish) engine coming into play again? Max hasn’t been able to stay with Lewis at all.

[Disco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xAHhfhHR8A

[7om]

Barring a miracle, this is over.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Horner sounds like he's found Geri in bed with Gottlieb Daimler.

[Waffdon]

Puncture for Hamilton on lap 55

[Jimmy Floyd]

If he does a Mansell/Adelaide here I think that would be the best/worst finish in F1 history, passing that and 2008.

[Giggles]

Has he ever not held on in a situation like this?

[Pepe]

Fuck off if this is decided by a puncture. :D

[Gray Fox]

Oh fuck.

[Spikey M]

Safety car. :drool:

Too late though, surely?

[Shindig]

Safety car. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

FFS Latifi.

[Pepe]

:face:

[7om]

Shiiiiiiiiit. Here we go. Restart dive bomb please.

[Disco]

Oh fuck off

[Yevrah]

What impact does the safety car have?

[Pepe]

Nah, this is some BS.

[7om]

Those stewards need to pull their finger out. This cannot end behind the safety car.

[Disco]

Why won't they ever fucking pit.

[Gray Fox]

3 laps with one to unlap everyone?

Depends how quickly they recover that car.

[Pepe]

Will there be some lapped cars in between or do they get them out of the way?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is there time? Please say there isn't time.

[Giggles]

Shiiiiiit.

(Though this probably finished under safety)

[Yevrah]

I've got no idea what's going on. :D

[Spikey M]

What impact does the safety car have?

Allows Max to catch up on fresh (and faster) tyres.

[Disco]

Finishing under the safety car would actually be the funniest outcome possible here.

[7om]

This needs a red flag. Fuck deciding the title behind a safety car.

[Pepe]

Mercedes should throw some bribes at the broom lads to take a long, long time.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This feels like the opposite bookend to 'Is that Glock?'

[Pepe]

This will be Latifi's career highlight.

[7om]

Please please give me one racing lap. What a fucking finish that’d be.

[Yevrah]

What the fuck is this shit?

[7om]

Never mind. The lapped cars will fuck it up. This is over.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Don't know about the sarcasm from Max, if you let the lapped cars around it's finishing under the safety car.

[Yevrah]

What's the gap now? Why have Sky given up telling me?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Why only those lapped cars? WTF is that about?

[Yevrah]

Oh my God, they're level. Unreal.

[7om]

Oh my God another plot twist. Here we fucking go

[7om]

Oh my God!

[Spikey M]

:lol:

[Shindig]

Mercedes fucked that.

[Pepe]

The fuck is this shit?

[-james-]

What the fuck.

[Lewis]

I would favour Hamilton since he's our dickhead at least (and Dutch sports fans are nonces to a man), but lol at that seething German radio.

[Gray Fox]

This was a robbery.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Why only those lapped cars and not all the lapped cars? Why change their minds?

Absolute bullshit from Masi.

[Yevrah]

I'm shaking watching that. Unbelievable.

[Waffdon]

The seethe will be beautiful :drool:

[Spikey M]

Amazing. Hopefully we get some tears.

[7om]

Oh my god. What have we fucking witnesssed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That was total WWE. Shark officially jumped. Sorry.

I'd rather Verstappen had won it by crashing into him or whatever.

[Yevrah]

I know I'm not allowed to be cynical and I know nothing of the rules, but presumably whatever decisions were taken there were taken in the interests of DRAMA.

[Pepe]

That was complete BS.

[Serj]

That seemed extremely arbitrary.

[Giggles]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeesssss

[7om]

Masi will have some serious explaining to do. What in the fuck.

[Pleb]

The post race is going to be something :D

[Yevrah]

Oh and it turns out the one strategy Red Bull should have employed was to keep Perez on and get him to drive into a wall.

[Waffdon]

Verstappen is such a don

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'll say it again, why only those lapped cars?

It's not a sport with that kind of arbitrary decision-making.

[Disco]

Bullshit indecision from race control, just binning the normal procedure for the show.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Oh and it turns out the one strategy Red Bull should have employed was to keep Perez on and get him to drive into a wall.

This happened in 2008, everyone involved got lifetime banhammers, or near enough.

[Yevrah]

I'll say it again, why only those lapped cars?

It's not a sport with that kind of arbitrary decision-making.

DRAMA, Jimmy, DRAMA. Everything is about it these days, everything.

[Pepe]

I'll say it again, why only those lapped cars?

It's not a sport with that kind of arbitrary decision-making.

It is now. Bring the sprinklers next season.

[7om]

It’s like Netflix scripted it. Why allow only the lapped cars between Max and Lewis to overtake the safety car? There’ll be appeals and protests galore after this.

[Shindig]

None of this sits right with me. "Well, they'll need another lap to let the lapped cars go."

"Race Control: Lapped cars can go, Safety car in immediately." :uhoh:

[Pepe]

Hamilton should have blocked the inside, fwiw.

[Lewis]

The state of those Dutch idiots.

[Waffdon]

Imagine being 11 seconds ahead with 3 laps and then being forced to race with your nearest rival up your arse. Beautiful scenes

[Disco]

It's a let off for Jos Verstappens girlfriend at least.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've obviously not read the sporting regulations but I'd say that unless there's a precedent/provision for allowing some lapped cars but not others to overtake the safety car, Mercedes would be able to sue the FIA.

[Gray Fox]

This is going to end up rumbling on I reckon.

[7om]

I’m in shock here. I can’t believe what we’ve just seen.

[Yevrah]

Yep, my nose is twitching and I'm smelling legal. What a shit way to win a record Championship if it comes to that.

[Lewis]

The Germans waving ze rule book and seething. Fair play Dutch fans.

[Pepe]

I've obviously not read the sporting regulations but I'd say that unless there's a precedent/provision for allowing some lapped cars but not others to overtake the safety car, Mercedes would be able to sue the FIA.

They might, but they are not getting the championship back.

[Yevrah]

When do we get to hear from Lewis? :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

Here we go, someone pick the bones out of this:


If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW
OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars
that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the
safety car.
This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the
lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car
was deployed.
Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed
around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up
position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car. Whilst they are overtaking, and in
order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the
racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the
presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the
safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.
If the clerk of the course considers track conditions are unsuitable for overtaking the message
"OVERTAKING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED" will be sent to all teams Competitors via the official
messaging system.

At first glance, any cars that have been overtaken by the leader makes me think it was an extralegal decision by Masi.

[Kikó]

The spectacle is more important than the rules.

[Shindig]

Sports Entertainment.

[Giggles]

The seethe is already more wonderful than I ever could have imagined. What a win that was.

[Yevrah]

Kik's gets it.

Someone will have made a call down to whoever controls the safety car regs and said don't you fucking dare let Lewis pass that.

[7om]

I want to hear from Masi. He simply has to explain the decision he’s made here because he’s effectively took to rules into his own hands for the sake of a one lap shootout.

I’d be calling the Mercedes lawyers right now if I’m Toto.

[Shindig]

You let Americans run the sport and the black guy gets shafted.

[Gray Fox]

Drives through everything red bull throw at him and then they just decide fuck it, let’s have Max winning it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I want to hear from Masi. He simply has to explain the decision he’s made here because he’s effectively took to rules into his own hands for the sake of a one lap shootout.

I’d be calling the Mercedes lawyers right now if I’m Toto.

If he'd gone straight for this then fine (or slightly more fine), but the teams were told 'Lapped cars will not be allowed to overtake' and then he changed his mind moments before the restart. He will have to go unfortunately.

It's all very well saying seethe and whatever, but if you don't have sporting regulations that are followed, you don't have a sport. It's like allowing an offside goal to stand because fuck it, the match will be closer this way.

[Giggles]

I want to hear from Masi. He simply has to explain the decision he’s made here because he’s effectively took to rules into his own hands for the sake of a one lap shootout.

I’d be calling the Mercedes lawyers right now if I’m Toto.

Yet it would have been the best decision in the world had Hamilton held on.

CaLl tHE LawYeRs.

[Shindig]

I mean, the crucial turn for me was Mercedes keeping Lewis out there. Fuck track position when you've beaten him for pace for 30-odd laps.

[Disco]

The result won't change now, they've just demonstrated that appearances are more important than anything and that would be the worst look of all.

[Yevrah]

Such a shame Lewis' Dad got to him before the cameras did.

[Ian]

What's the tl;dr of what's gone on here?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I mean, the crucial turn for me was Mercedes keeping Lewis out there. Fuck track position when you've beaten him for pace for 30-odd laps.

They had to keep him out there. You can't voluntarily go behind your championship rival on track.

[7om]

Yet it would have been the best decision in the world had Hamilton held on.

CaLl tHE LawYeRs.

Nope. It’s about integrity, not who I want to win.

[Yevrah]

If he'd gone straight for this then fine (or slightly more fine), but the teams were told 'Lapped cars will not be allowed to overtake' and then he changed his mind moments before the restart. He will have to go unfortunately.

It's all very well saying seethe and whatever, but if you don't have sporting regulations that are followed, you don't have a sport. It's like allowing an offside goal to stand because fuck it, the match will be closer this way.

Or allowing the Dutch to kick the shit out of the Spanish in a World Cup final.

And Masi to go? Be given a massive bonus more like.

[Pepe]

What's the tl;dr of what's gone on here?

Spectacle > sport

That's about it.

[Spikey M]

What's the tl;dr of what's gone on here?

There were lapped cars between Max and Hamilton, they should have been enough to stop Max catching him on the last lap, but they changed their mind at the last second to get those cars out of the way.

[Shindig]

What's the tl;dr of what's gone on here?

Safety car comes out with 4-5 laps to go. Lewis stays out. Verstappen pits for fresh rubber. Commentary seems to think they won't get any racing laps unless they leave the lapped cars where they are. Letting them unlap would lead to another delay of one lap.

Horner screams at Masi to let the lapped cars out of the way. Masi obliges and then immediately calls the safety car in. It leads to one lap of racing.

[Lewis]

The word you are after lads is NARRATIVE.

[Spikey M]

Yet it would have been the best decision in the world had Hamilton held on.

CaLl tHE LawYeRs.

Ah come on. I hate Hamilton and I'm delighted he's lost. All the more because he's been robbed. But let's not pretend he hasn't been.

[Disco]

What makes it a rubbish call is that they only let a few cars through when you should let either none or all of them through.

[7om]

“We went car racing”.

[Yevrah]

What's the tl;dr of what's gone on here?

Hamilton had an unassailable lead with about 6 laps to go and then some idiot drove into a wall meaning the safety car had to come out. It came out and as it was going off only lapped cars were allowed to overtake it, by which point Verstappen had cut the lead to nothing and we had a one lap race to decide the title, which Max won.

[Giggles]

Even if you love Hamilton, there has to be something beautiful to find in Wolff absolutely raging.

[Giggles]

Hamilton had an unassailable lead with about 6 laps to go and then some idiot drove into a wall meaning the safety car had to come out. It came out and as it was going off only lapped cars were allowed to overtake it, by which point Verstappen had cut the lead to nothing and we had a one lap race to decide the title, which Max won.

Latifi must me a Massa fan.

[Yevrah]

The word you are after lads is NARRATIVE.

Nah, this is DRAMA, NARRATIVE comes next season when Lewis goes for REVENGE.

[Pepe]

Next time stop the race, let them both get fresh rubber, pull out all the other cars, and let them have a three lap shootout.

[7om]

That smug cunt, Horner :D

God I love this stuff.

[Giggles]

The Mrs had the dinner ready just as the safety car went in. I ate it shaking and barely remember it. Some tv.

[Pepe]

How would it have gone if Hamilton didn't criticize Saudi Arabia?

[Yevrah]

And I do agree with Jim to an extent, but it's difficult, as by doing what he did Masi has guaranteed a fuckton of more viewers and sponsorship for his sport next season.

Sadly it's probably also given FIFA ideas and I'd hate to see it in a sport I actually care about.

[Disco]

Classy interview and reaction from Hamilton, I wonder if the same would have happened had the result gone the other way.

[Shindig]

And I do agree with Jim to an extent, but it's difficult, as by doing what he did Masi has guaranteed a fuckton of more viewers and sponsorship for his sport next season.

Sadly it's probably also given FIFA ideas and I'd hate to see it in a sport I actually care about.

Golden and silver goals. They've tried.

[Pepe]

Spa was the real crime.

[Waffdon]

Masi should be praised. Unbelievable call from him.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Classy interview and reaction from Hamilton, I wonder if the same would have happened had the result gone the other way.

No need to wonder.

I am now an anyone but Verstappen. If Ferrari turn up next year with a good car (farfetched I know) I'll be chucking pasta down my neck for the boys in red. Whatever it takes for this cunt to lose.

[Giggles]

No need to wonder.

I am now an anyone but Verstappen. If Ferrari turn up next year with a good car (farfetched I know) I'll be chucking pasta down my neck for the boys in red. Whatever it takes for this cunt to lose.

:D

[Yevrah]

Golden and silver goals. They've tried.

Hardly. The equivalent would be interfering with a VAR decision and allowing or disallowing a goal to keep a game going.

[Waffdon]

:lol: :lol:

How can anyone be remotely angry

[Shindig]

Spa was the real crime.

Yep. Interestingly, Lewis would've still lost by a point if that race was wiped.

[Spikey M]

Golden and silver goals. They've tried.

That's not the same. If there's an injury they should get Stephen Carr leading the players on a jog round the pitch until the injured player has been removed. Then when the safety Carr comes in, they all have to leg it back on and resume from wherever the ball is.

Get me Gianni Infantino on the phone now.

[Disco]

No need to wonder.

I am now an anyone but Verstappen. If Ferrari turn up next year with a good car (farfetched I know) I'll be chucking pasta down my neck for the boys in red. Whatever it takes for this cunt to lose.

The laugh would be if we get 2009 again and Red Bull have done a Mclaren, not out of the question given they will also have to run Fizzy Pop Powerunits themselves.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Verstappen was mighty all year and deserved the title as much as Hamilton did, but he's still a Dutch cunt with a prick dad.

But yeah, part of me thinks they knew this was their chance for a while with the low rakes coming in.

[7om]

“Maykel, dis isn’t raight”

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have to say, I preferred it before we didn't have to hear Horner, Toto and their various acolytes abandoning all dignity in calls to race control on the TV broadcast.

[Yevrah]

He's banging Geri Halliwell? What a man.

[Lewis]

The Spice Girls have all aged tremendously.

[Lewis]

Adrian Newey not so much. Five minutes at Aston Martin HQ and he's on his deathbed.

[Shindig]

I'm still troubled by a story he has in his book where he appears to definitely, 100% imply he shagged one of the Red Bull's Thai teenage daughters.

[Disco]

Horrible interview from Newey, he'll never be let out again.

[niko_cee]

Scenes.

It was the right decision from Masi from the perspective of the sport as a spectacle/business. Probably wrong on every other level but lol, whatever. As Pepe said, Spa was the real crime this season. Whilst Hamilton had no real hope he would have been better going full road block and taking his chances in a collision, should definitely have defended the inside line as he knew Max would be throwing it up there. I suppose it's the one time when you don't necessarily want to live to fight another day.

I assume the race director has absolute discretion to do whatever he wants, otherwise double lol if this ends up being lawyered back a lap and Hamilton wins.

[Gray Fox]

So looks as if the Mercedes higher ups are currently discussing the rules before coming for interviews.

I reckon we’ll see how much of a case they have for appeals once they come out.

[niko_cee]

Hopefully the new technical regs remove the need for all the excitement to be from the stewards room/race control next season. I have my doubts.

[7om]

Would pay good money to be a fly on the wall in Toto’s office right now.

[Gray Fox]

Official protest from Mercedes launched. #HereWeGo

[Disco]

They must know it's never changing the result now so lol at them for being children about it.

[SincereTheRebel]

https://c.tenor.com/BzZ9CwmlnQYAAAAC/blame-canada-south-park.gif

[niko_cee]

Also hats off to Bottas for dialing in one of his classic all time useless drives, when Mercedes desperately needed him somewhere in the vicinity to stop the Red Bulls constantly pitting behind Hamilton.

[Giggles]

We need to get Toto wheeled out.

[Giggles]

Mercedes to win on an appeal for the likes of this would be even more lol than what actually happened. Babies.

[Gray Fox]

Tough to see the FIA admitting they’re wrong and also changing the result.

Mercedes might well just settle with Masi being in the bin, as he should be after his farce of a season.

[niko_cee]

I think we can all agree the only fair way to settle this is a cage match between Wolff and Horner.

[Disco]

For me one of the worst parts of the season has been finding out that, despite always seeming very sensible, Damon Hill appears to be a complete balloon.

[7om]

Mercedes are going to get revenge for all this fun by winning both titles by 400 points next year.

[Gray Fox]

You can tell from that little bit Ted thinks Mercedes have a very good point.

And yes Damon does seem a bit of a tool the more on camera he is. I’m amazed how quickly the guys there have decided to forget the rules were ignored because it meant they got another racing lap.

[Disco]

Mercedes protest is that Verstappen overtook Hamilton who was essentially the safety car at that point. It won't matter but that's actually probably their best case.

[Jimmy Floyd]

For all they probably have valid grounds, I wouldn't be wasting time and energy on appeals if I were Mercedes. I would be collecting the constructors' trophy and then diving straight back to Brackley to throw everything into the 2022 car.

Speaking of which, Bottas somehow managed to go from 4th to 6th on the famous 'racing lap'.

[Giggles]

Even I’m disappointed in Sky. This is channel 4 type tripe.

[Gray Fox]

This is exactly what we didn’t want. I highly doubt they’ll change the result, but a crap race director has soured someone’s title no matter who ends up with it.

[niko_cee]

If they ping Verstappen for 5 seconds, other than being one of the funniest things a sporting body has done for many a year, they'll have instantly undone all of the positive PR this race/battle has generated. So it obviously isn't going to happen. What Verstappen is doing [other than being an arsehole] trying to run side by side with the safety car [which is what Hamilton is at that point] is anyone's guess. I recall someone else being a bit fast and loose with the rules behind the safety car back in the day.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't want to say we don't want it to be decided off track, as literally every F1 championship ever has been decided off track, but we don't want it to be decided off track.

Maybe they just should disqualify them both from the championship for accumulated shenanigans, and give it to the equally deserving Valtteri Bottas.

A very side note, Carlos Sainz's third place there sent him above both his teammate and also Lando Norris into 5th. Really strong season from him.

[SincereTheRebel]

Is Latifi OK?

[Disco]

I don't think they'd change the result of a normal race like this let alone the title decider.

[Giggles]

Is Latifi OK?

They had said he was during the safety car.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't think they'd change the result of a normal race like this let alone the title decider.

Belgium 2008 comes to mind, and a few others maybe, but that was the Max Mosley/Bernie era, different times.

[Yevrah]

Surely they won't overturn their own decision, but what happens if/when a legal challenge is made?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Also, has Verstappen shagged his way into the Piquet family or the Pique (as in Gerard) family?

[Gray Fox]

That Red Bull are being marched up suggests Mercedes have at least somewhat of a case.

I just can’t imagine any way the result changes, despite the fact it should.

[Shindig]

Bernie's probably laughing himself dead over this.

[Gray Fox]

Also, has Verstappen shagged his way into the Piquet family or the Pique (as in Gerard) family?

Yeah, Kelly Piquet is getting it tonight from Max if this result holds.