The Boxing Thread

[John Arne]

Some moron's on Twitter claiming that McGregor "almost won" in the first few rounds :D Mayweather was just measuring him up - one uppercut aside, he was in complete control.

[GS]

McGregor won the early rounds, but you'd say that was based on activity. Mayweather knew what he was doing.

[John Arne]

Exactly. Mayweather didn't want, or need to, win the first few rounds.

[Baz]

Meanwhile, Matthew Macklin's suit is nice.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah, Mayweather wanted Conor to punch himself out a bit in those first few. Plus he wanted to get a full view of what Conor had, within the rules, and without so much pressure.

[GS]

There was definitely an element of seeing exactly what McGregor would do, given he couldn't study any footage etc.

He was in complete control the whole fight.

[Waffdon]

Get in the Octagon, Floyd, Son

[John Arne]

Coming up next month....

Frank Bruno v Chris Boardman in a horse race around Silverstone :drool:

[niko_cee]

Frankie Dettori on Big Frank?

Sounds like this was a classic. Glad I chose sleep.

[Offshore Toon]

Aye, I went to bed at 8:30 because I was tired. I woke up naturally at 4 but couldn't be bothered. Given what I've heard I probably won't even watch a replay.

[Spikey M]

Baby had me up at 5:30 so I caught the arse end of it. As expected by the look of it. Mayweather let him knacker himself out then picked him off.

[Offshore Toon]

Somebody on Facebook has said McGreggor "shocked the boxing world" in the first few rounds.

[Magic]

Love how everyone says 'remember he lasted 10 rounds Mayweather wouldn't last 5 minutes in the octagon!'.

He never claimed he would, so utterly irrelevant. He got his arrogant arse handed to him but it's fine because money.

[SincereTheRebel]

I was wrong.

I didnt think floyd had the balls to walk conor down and try and finish him. I thought he would have stayed away and out-boxed him, Conor's power didnt real work at all. Also, his energy fell off real quick. Considering he is 29 and in physical prime condition, is a real concern. Its like when your on fight night and you have no energy left and your in drunk mode. Conor didnt really have an answer once floyd put on his headphones and just put his head inside conor's chest .That was a surprise also. It was interesting though. Conor had his moments, landed a nice uppercut early on but after that, his punches were of no concern to floyd. I would have thought in the clinch, conor would have been much stronger and would have had a massive advantage, but he didnt. Maybe could have had a point deducted for the constant rabbit punches, but floyd style gives up his back often so that was always going to happen

Floyd didnt respect his fighting ability after that. He just walked him down and took control after round 3. Disappointed didnt really plant his feet and move forward more often and put it on floyd. His slaps in his punching technique similar on how calzache did.

[SincereTheRebel]

In regards to the stoppage, you have to throw punches back. If you don't, you are asking to get stopped. You cant be drunk bouncing around and not expected the referee to stop the fight.

[Magic]

In regards to the stoppage, you have to throw punches back. If you don't, you are asking to get stopped. You cant be drunk bouncing around and not expected the referee to stop the fight.

Exactly. That's how brain damage occurs.

[SincereTheRebel]

From the little MMA ive saw. Its different. You can be drunk and not thrown punches back, and the take way more punishment before fights are stopped. Then it all changed and was downhill from there. It was his energy that was his downfall. Referee had to save him again.

It was a good though. I dont feel as if it was a waste of time. It was decent entertainment.

[Spikey M]

Not so much these days. It used to be that you'd have to pound a non-responsive face several times before the ref would step in but it's a lot more like boxing now. If they land a flurry or punches with no guard / response the ref ends it.

[Shindig]

It was an experiment that lasted as long as Mayweather wanted it to. It won't open the floodgates to more crossovers.

[SincereTheRebel]

It was an experiment that lasted as long as Mayweather wanted it to. It won't open the floodgates to more crossovers.

I agree. The stars aligned for the biggest name in each sport who happened to be close to the same weight. I dont think it will happen again, even though it is profitable for everyone involved.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah but Messi wouldn't last five minutes on a rugby field!

Yeah but Dame Judi Dench wouldn't last five minutes at the Battle of Ypres!

[GS]

The whole MMA thing is a non-starter.

[Shindig]

It peaked with Don Frye.

[SincereTheRebel]

The best analogy i heard was jessica ennis who does the heptalthon going up against the best person ever in long jump.

[Magic]

"Yeah, I'd like to see Surtees try that on 4 wheels!"

Oh wait...

[-james-]

It more or less went exactly the way everyone expected it to.

Fair play to McGregor for making it happen though. Dragging one of the all time greats out of retirement and into the ring, through the sheer force of being a loud, proud, mental Irish wide boy. Legend.

[Pepe]

Gs paying for this shit. :harold:

[Shindig]

If they flipped roles (Mayweather MMA debut), they couldn't pull this type of money in.

[SincereTheRebel]

If they flipped roles (Mayweather MMA debut), they couldn't pull this type of money in.

Ive been trying to make this point to everyone ive spoke too. Its difficult to see floyds lasting longer than 20 seconds in mma. Conor would just kick him and take him down. People are not going to buy into it at all.

[Dark Soldier]

Ive been trying to make this point to everyone ive spoke too. Its difficult to see floyds lasting longer than 20 seconds in mma. Conor would just kick him and take him down. People are not going to buy into it at all.

Which is pretty much true:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QIYYd-v8jI

Money fight from start to finish and now the pikey can go off shouting absolute bollocks at the next cunt.

[Shindig]

Nah, I'm talking about the literal payout potential. Even with a big build, an MMA fight won't fill seats or get the buys a big money fight in boxing can grant you. Boxing has prestige. MMA is still a scrappy underdog.

[SincereTheRebel]

You need the characters and the freedom to do the hyper fights. Given how conor has made his payday, im sure when he goes back to mma. They will have to change things up for him and all other ufc fighters.

[Waffdon]

Nah, I'm talking about the literal payout potential. Even with a big build, an MMA fight won't fill seats or get the buys a big money fight in boxing can grant you. Boxing has prestige. MMA is still a scrappy underdog.

McGregor sells the stadium out whenever he main events in MMA. There were hundreds of empty seats yesterday.

McGregor is probably the biggest draw in either of the sports after Mayweather.

[SincereTheRebel]

McGregor sells the stadium out whenever he main events in MMA. There were hundreds of empty seats yesterday.

McGregor is probably the biggest draw in either of the sports after Mayweather.

He needs to be compensated with purse guarantees like he is the second (now first since floyd is gone) in combat sports.

[Disco]

Hundreds? More like thousands of empty seats.

[Waffdon]

Hundreds? More like thousands of empty seats.

I thought that but played it safe as couldn't be arsed checking.

[John]

The whole MMA thing is a non-starter.

What?


Nah, I'm talking about the literal payout potential. Even with a big build, an MMA fight won't fill seats or get the buys a big money fight in boxing can grant you. Boxing has prestige. MMA is still a scrappy underdog.

In terms of PPV buys McGregor isn't as far off the big boxing numbers as you'd think for a UFC event. The Mayweather v Pacquiao fight did about three and a half million, which will remain the record until official numbers come out for last night. McGregor's biggest buy rate is about one and three quarter million. Without checking it that feels like it'd be in the top ten for combat sports PPV buys, and his numbers are only going to rocket after that spectacle last night.

[Lewis]

As a couple of people have said, I was surprised by how quickly McGregor got tired. It's a different sport, but he is still meant to be supremely fit by almost any standard. Mayweather probably didn't even get showered after it.

[Disco]

He went after about 25 minutes, which, unsurprisingly, is around the time he's conditioned for in MMA. There's a reason boxers start off doing 6 or 8 round fights.

[Disco]

I thought that but played it safe as couldn't be arsed checking.

Around 6000 empty seats according to the radio.

[John]

As a couple of people have said, I was surprised by how quickly McGregor got tired. It's a different sport, but he is still meant to be supremely fit by almost any standard. Mayweather probably didn't even get showered after it.

He always tires quickly because he carries a lot of muscle for his weight. The same thing always happens to him in UFC, if he can't blow his opponent out quickly the fight turns into a pure grind.

[John]

He went after about 25 minutes, which, unsurprisingly, is around the time he's conditioned for in MMA. There's a reason boxers start off doing 6 or 8 round fights.

He looked shattered from about halfway through round four on. Whatever he did in his weight cut to carry some size into fight night fucked his stamina in a big way. He's never had great endurance, but his tank seemed to run dry last night much more quickly than it usually does.

His tank ran out after four, but he started looking a bit lethargic in the second round. That's abysmal.

[SincereTheRebel]

What?

In terms of PPV buys McGregor isn't as far off the big boxing numbers as you'd think for a UFC event. The Mayweather v Pacquiao fight did about three and a half million, which will remain the record until official numbers come out for last night. McGregor's biggest buy rate is about one and three quarter million. Without checking it that feels like it'd be in the top ten for combat sports PPV buys, and his numbers are only going to rocket after that spectacle last night.

His ppv average is great. It may be better than floyds and pacmans. The shelf life of the ufc guys does not seem to be that long compared to boxers. The reign at the top appears to be much shorter. All the fighters i can name from the ufc have either stopped fighting or gone shit. I guess thats because they use so many weapons in mma. Can he fight anyone and do 1 million ppv buys?

[John]

His ppv average is great. It may be better than floyds and. The shelf life of the ufc guys does not seem to be that long compared to boxers. The reign at the top appears to be much shorter. All the fighters i cane name from the ufc have either stopped fighting or gone shit. I guess thats because they use so many weapons in mma

A few UFC guys have had the sort of lengthy reigns that top level boxers tend to have, but they're pretty scarce. Anderson Silva is the first name that comes to mind as a UFC guy who had a proper reign as champion. Look up his highlights, his fights against Chris Leben, James Irvine, Forrest Griffin, and Vitor Belfort in particular, to see what real high level MMA looks like.

Reigns are rare because there are so many ways to win a fight that you can't be fully prepared to defend all of them. It's the same reason a loss isn't the same disaster for an ascendant fighter that it is in boxing.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

His ppv average is great. It may be better than floyds and pacmans. The shelf life of the ufc guys does not seem to be that long compared to boxers. The reign at the top appears to be much shorter. All the fighters i can name from the ufc have either stopped fighting or gone shit. I guess thats because they use so many weapons in mma. Can he fight anyone and do 1 million ppv buys?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/amp/2016/11/17/13663352/conor-mcgregor-ppv-buys-record-ronda-rousey-ufc-205-biggest-draw-fighter-ever

Yeah, 1m is nothing.

[Pepe]

As a couple of people have said, I was surprised by how quickly McGregor got tired. It's a different sport, but he is still meant to be supremely fit by almost any standard. Mayweather probably didn't even get showered after it.

Must've been those heavy 8oz gloves.


There's a reason boxers start off doing 6 or 8 round fights.

More like three two-minute rounds.

[GS]

Gs paying for this shit. :harold:

It was only twenty quid, which wasn't extortionate. I don't feel particularly mugged off either - it was interesting to see, even if it went as you'd expect.


What?

As in people offering, in mitigation for McGregor losing, the view that Mayweather wouldn't last twenty seconds with McGregor under MMA rules. Obviously he wouldn't, but it's not an argument worth having.


He looked shattered from about halfway through round four on. Whatever he did in his weight cut to carry some size into fight night fucked his stamina in a big way. He's never had great endurance, but his tank seemed to run dry last night much more quickly than it usually does.

His tank ran out after four, but he started looking a bit lethargic in the second round. That's abysmal.

It was pretty poor. By any objective standard, McGregor should be 'ultra-fit' and he was struggling after about 12 or 15 minutes of effort. I don't know enough about it to know whether that's down to crap conditioning, crap training, or whatever. Either way, he should have went hell for leather in the first two or three rounds and just conceded the point after it. Very easy to say with hindsight, I suppose.

[Shindig]

It's two different kinds of fitness, really. Boxing's always struck me as an act of endurance. Not only that but the hits come harder and more frequently aimed at the head. That takes years to build. Granted, McGregor had a taste of it in his youth but it can't compare.

[Lewis]

He always tires quickly because he carries a lot of muscle for his weight. The same thing always happens to him in UFC, if he can't blow his opponent out quickly the fight turns into a pure grind.


He looked shattered from about halfway through round four on. Whatever he did in his weight cut to carry some size into fight night fucked his stamina in a big way. He's never had great endurance, but his tank seemed to run dry last night much more quickly than it usually does.

His tank ran out after four, but he started looking a bit lethargic in the second round. That's abysmal.

I thought it might be this. UFC fights being shorter doesn't really seem to work when they can/do feature grappling, which is liable to take more out of you than stand-up fighting.

[Baz]

You'd have thought the least he could do, seeing as becoming a world class boxer in three months was entirely out the question, would have been to get fit as a fiddle so he could at least last the duration should he need to.

Or, you know, parade around in fancy clothes and run his mouth to garner interest. Tough one, really.

[Shindig]

Mayweather being out the saddle a little would've helped prolong it. It was a good test of the unknown.

[GS]

It was a worthwhile exercise, all things considered.

[Kikó]

I don't think it's a case of being unfit. McGregor isn't a boxer so he had no idea on how to pace himself or be boxing fit. He's an amateur boxer ffs, he's never going to do better than that. Look at the first fights off most boxers to them now and it'll be incomparable.

[Lewis]

He could have paid somebody to help him pace himself. The people helping him learn to punch better might have known somebody.

[Kikó]

The guy is a shit amateur boxer. What are you expecting?

[Lewis]

I think he boxed better than most people would have expected, and used his size advantage reasonably effectively, so it's not as though his tactics - and therefore his pacing, until he got knackered - were completely useless. He just wasn't fit (or maybe healthy if his cutting was to blame) enough to keep it up for more than ten minutes, which, to say he was meant to be depending on 'one shot', stupidly limits his window for doing that to four rounds.

[John]

Watching the replay now and with the knowledge of how fucked he was going to be at the end of the fourth, the way he comes out at the start of that round seems like McGregor realising he had a few full power swings left before he was too tired to land the knockout. He charges out like it was the final round and he was down on the cards.

Has Mayweather said anything about that daft balaclava? He looked ridiculous.

[Lewis]

Yeah. If he was going to catch him with a knockout shot then it was only going to come later on once Mayweather had opened up and started attacking himself. You're not going to wade through anyone like George Foreman early on, let alone somebody miles better than you, and I think his early rounds actually reflected that. He just wasn't in good enough shape, which is just shit.

[SincereTheRebel]

Its unacceptable

Regardless of how shit you are in skill. Conor should have been better prepared physically. His energy shouldnt have disappeaered as quick as it did, its not like the fight was at a super pace. With all the money and resources he had available to him and given he has a fighting background, he should have done better. Im pretty sure you ufc guys can probably name a few fighters who wouldnt have gone the 12 no problem.

[John]

Generally speaking high level MMA guys are fitter than high level boxers. McGregor just doesn't prepare himself for the long haul. He's all about exploding early, and as I said earlier if he doesn't finish the fight during that early barrage he fades badly and he can become pretty turgid.

[Henry]

Going ten rounds with Mayweather isn't "shit" or "unacceptable". He wasn't expected to win and he did fall short, but he wasn't exactly embarrassed either. He did as well as any mid-level professional fighter would have hoped.
The idea that he could have just trained harder is stupid. People have limits and these may be his.

[Disco]

Three months is also nothing for the kind of conditioning required.

[Kikó]

He went ten rounds with Mayweather because Mayweather allowed it to last ten rounds.

Anyway, some proper boxing coming up - including this maybe https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/8/20/16175934/report-vasyl-lomachenko-vs-guillermo-rigondeaux-possible-december-9th-espn-boxing-news

[GS]

Kiko is correct. Mayweather took the path of least risk. He knew McGregor would be knackered and wouldn't have the skill or experience to defend himself. He just waited until the optimum moment to finish it.

If he'd wanted to finish it earlier, he could have. McGregor did well enough in the context of what he is, and I maintain it was a worthwhile exercise even if the hype was a bit excessive, but there's no getting away from it that it was a mismatch. McGregor didn't help himself by poor conditioning, whatever his boxing skills may be.

[SincereTheRebel]

His conditioning should be up to a standard. He shouldn't fall off that bad at round 5. He has been fighting his whole life. I wouldn't expect if amir khan had to go into round 13, his energy would just fall of a cliff like conor's did.

[Pepe]

Generally speaking high level MMA guys are fitter than high level boxers.

How do you figure that one out?

[McAvennie]

Seems to me that mcgregor did exactly what he was most capable of - come out quick and hard and try to get a knockout.
His problem wasn't a lack of conditioning, it's tough for anyone to keep up that pace.

His problem was his inability to land any kind of telling blow on Mayweather, who just used his fantastic defensive skills to weather the storm and then start taking mcgregor apart once he was tiring, which is what most boxing pundits predicted.

I thought mcgregor did better than I had expected

[Waffdon]

6.5 million buys apparently. Lord Conor McGregor.

[SincereTheRebel]

$80m generated at the gate. $8m more than the previous record.

[niko_cee]

The whole sport is down the shitter when this is the prism everything is assessed through.

Joshua v Klitschko was an infinitely superior fight on every conceivable level. How many 'buys' did it get?

[SincereTheRebel]

The whole sport is down the shitter when this is the prism everything is assessed through.

Joshua v Klitschko was an infinitely superior fight on every conceivable level. How many 'buys' did it get?

Just over 1.1 million as mayweather/hatton held the record before it was broken by joshua/wlad

[Pepe]

The whole sport is down the shitter when this is the prism everything is assessed through.

The casual fans get duped into this kind of shit quite easily for some reason.

[Waffdon]

It's Conor McGregor. What were you expecting?

[phonics]

The casual fans get duped into this kind of shit quite easily for some reason.

There's something about 1v1 sports that turns the people that follow them into backseat GMs and if only they were running the ATP, Tennis would outsell Football.

[niko_cee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/41286234

:D


"My son's been taught when a stranger puts their hands on them (to) punch and run away (in) self defence."

[Shindig]

Why the kick, though? Snide little shit.

[John]

It would have been among the funniest things that have ever happened if he'd just knocked the little twat flat on his arse.

[Spikey M]

It speaks volumes that his scummy dad did nothing about it. The little shit will be stealing cars in no time.

[SincereTheRebel]

Its canelo vs ggg this weekend.

They also announced loma vs rigo for december :drool:

[SincereTheRebel]

Canelo by decision. Its about to start a little early. Canelo to do ggg like mayweather did canelo.

[Queenslander]

What rounds have you got so far SincereTheRebel?

[SincereTheRebel]

Im not scoring it round for round but at the end of 9, ggg is winining. He has the moumentum for sure. From a corrupt boxing judge standpoint, its competitive enough to give it canelo though

[Queenslander]

That was such a good fight.

[SincereTheRebel]

Ggg won the fight for me. Fairly clearly.

[SincereTheRebel]

Some bullshit. That wasnt a draw. GGG won. The rematch was talked about before the fight and there you have it

10-2 to canelo by that female judge is pure fuckris

[Queenslander]

Im just happy i get to see that again

[John]

I only saw from the fourth round on, but the fight I watched wasn't a draw. GGG won that comfortably.

[SincereTheRebel]

I would like see a pacman vs marquez type of rivialry from this. I dont want to see an immediate rematch. I would like to see them go away and get wins. That means we have to wait to another year at least.

[John Arne]

Both Guardian writers had it for GGG, too.

[John]

I would like see a pacman vs marquez type of rivialry from this. I dont want to see an immediate rematch. I would like to see them go away and get wins. That means we have to wait to another year at least.

Who would you have them fighting?

[Queenslander]

I would like see a pacman vs marquez type of rivialry from this. I dont want to see an immediate rematch. I would like to see them go away and get wins. That means we have to wait to another year at least.

What fights would you recommend for the rest of the year?

[SincereTheRebel]

Who would you have them fighting?




What fights would you recommend for the rest of the year?

Ggg to fight the charlo brother and canelo to fight david leminuex

[Samadini]

Just finished watching it. That 118-110 :face:

[Kikó]

Great fight, decision was off but some great counters from Canelo. The way GGG stalks is terrifying, on him from round 3/4.

[Waffdon]

That's a shambles and also ruins GGG's record.

[bruhnaldo]

GCCGGGGGGGCC

118-110 fucking madness

[bruhnaldo]

i could see giving C the 1st and the 10th MAYBE.

[Spikey M]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/09/18/rio-ferdinand-become-professional-boxer-age-38/

Rio Ferdinand is going to become a professional boxer. The sport has gone to shit. :harold:

[Shindig]

"This helped me get over my wife's death."

Nah, you're still in it.

[Kikó]

At least he doesn't have to worry about brain damage.

[Reg]

I know nothing about boxing, but isn't being a good boxer at 38 highly unlikely?

[John]

I look forward to Tom Daley's first fight. Conor McGregor has a lot to answer for.

[SincereTheRebel]

Andre ward has announced his retirement.
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/20775014/pound-pound-king-world-titleholder-andre-ward-says-leaving-boxing

Add him to Timothy Bradley, Juan Manuel Marquez, Wladimir Klitschko and Floyd Mayweather all retired in the same year. Thats some hall of fame induction 20 years from now.

[Kikó]

Mayweather retired years ago.

[John]

Clearly shit scared of an angry Kovalev.

[SincereTheRebel]

Yeah. He never fought him twice already.

[John]

He was losing the second fight handily until he started clubbing Kovalev's balls.

[SincereTheRebel]

He fought kov the 1st time and lost in my opinion. The 2nd time he attacked the russians groin unfairly and won. He stole two victories against kovalev but he still fought him twice without any hesitation.

[SincereTheRebel]

He did take the easy option though. Given how athletes/boxers compete at a high level for much longer these days, being 33 is still young.

Pacman and wlad and the rest of them are 40 are still competed competitively.

[bruhnaldo]

He was losing the second fight handily until he started clubbing Kovalev's balls.

idk about all that ... Kovalev was getting worn out around 4th/5th from all of the clinching lol. Starting throwing rabbit punches and what have you. Ward wobbled Kov with a headshot in that 8th round before he went to the body as well.

Now I don't disagree that some of those were low but it's not like Kovalev was pounding on Ward and Ward desperately went for the nuts. Fight was pretty even at that point IIRC.

[niko_cee]

Ward's never struck me as someone who particularly liked boxing, so it makes sense to get out whilst he still has his health, and his millions of dollars.

[SincereTheRebel]

idk about all that ... Kovalev was getting worn out around 4th/5th from all of the clinching lol. Starting throwing rabbit punches and what have you. Ward wobbled Kov with a headshot in that 8th round before he went to the body as well.

Now I don't disagree that some of those were low but it's not like Kovalev was pounding on Ward and Ward desperately went for the nuts. Fight was pretty even at that point IIRC.

Kov didnt recover from the first low blow. It really affected him. Then there was constant punches that were borderline on the belt line. Kov had a weak bladder

[niko_cee]

Anyone see this Fury fight?

Sounds like another piece of classic judging. Is Parker a bit of a bum?

[SincereTheRebel]

Parker is the worst of the current heavy champions. He hasnt fought anyone worth talking about. He is seen as easy food. Nothing special. It was a competative fight. Could have gone either way.

[Queenslander]

I caught the highlights of Eubank Jr's last fight and fair dink'um that bloke looks like he has been chiseled from granite.

[Baz]

Eric Israel seems legit. :nod:

[Shindig]

Alright, Fury's making plans. Good lad.

[Gray Fox]

The Joshua v Pulev fight is off. Pulev pulled out through injury.

[John]

Takam has taken his place so there will still be a fight.

[Baz]

Is he even more of a bum?

[John]

He's a big lad but the only fighters worth a shit he's fought, Povetkin and Parker, have beaten him handily.

[Baz]

Hoping Ryan “Rarrn” Burnett gets knocked the heck out later. :eyemouth:

[Magic]

Will Warrington get his weak little ass handed to him tonight?

[Baz]

Just watched AJ. WHAT THE FUCK??

Bullshit stoppage.

[Baz]

He's a big lad but the only fighters worth a shit he's fought, Povetkin and Parker, have beaten him handily.Also LOL at “big lad.”

[Baz]

925335667135188998

:drool:

[Disco]

Isn't he just a fat cokehead these days?

[Baz]

Yeah, and Tyson Fury will knock him out.

[Alex]

So, the Haye and Bellew fight is off because Haye, as far as I can tell, slipped and fell while running up and down a flight of stairs during training.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/42056678

:harold: / :rolleyes:

[Pleb]

It's probably because he didn't want to get a knockout in the 3rd round.

[SincereTheRebel]

Haye is made of glass. He is always pulling out of fights because he injures himself.

[Alex]

You would think if you were in charge of Hayes training camp, glass figurine that he is, then common sense would prevail and you would find some sort of alternative conditioning workout that didn't involve him running up and down a fucking flight of stairs.

[SincereTheRebel]

Vasyl Lomachenko vs Guillermo Rigondeaux this weekend. Rigo has a big task ahead of him. I dont think he will win. Jumping up two weight classes to 130 in order to challenge Loma. Four gold medals between these two guys. I dont think we have seen a fight like this before or ever again. Usually Rigondeaux uses his smaller size advantage over his opponnets but i dont think it will happen here. Lomachenko is a special talent. Chess match at its finest.

[Pepe]

Haven't followed boxing in a while but this one actually sounds interesting. Might have to tune in.

[Kikó]

What time is it on? 3-4am?

[SincereTheRebel]

What time is it on? 3-4am?

Yeah sounds about right.

[Baz]

I’m backing Rigondeaux to do the business. :cool:

[SincereTheRebel]

He did manage to strip donaire of all his powers. But loma is a different fighter all together though. Given how they both dont have 20 fights between them, ill watch their whole catalogue between today and fight start.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/11162085/manny-pacquiao-and-conor-mcgregor-in-talks-over-april-fight

McGregor wants to fight Pacquiao in April.

[SincereTheRebel]

:face:

[John]

The UFC should just take his title off him and cancel his contract. He obviously has no intention of defending so make it official and let the division move on.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

DeGale is about to start on BT Sport 1.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

DeGale fucking up a bit in the fifth.

Could see him going to sleep.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Richie Woodhall has been drinking tonight. No idea how he has DeGale winning on his scorecard.

If the judges don't give it to Traux he's been fucked over.

Edit: They actually called it right.

[John]

Daniel Dubois continues to look like he's going to be a mega star.

[John]

http://i65.tinypic.com/14e9uvc.jpg

Such an odd fight. Two guys who remained amateur for far too long and were immediately amongst the best in the world when they turned pro. Has anything like that happened before?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No idea about Lomachenko/Ukrainians but Cubans always go a bit further into their amateur careers. Three people have won 3 Olympic golds and two of them are Cubans and there are plenty who did two games.

Can't think of anyone who was as good as Lomachenko and Rigondeaux as pros though.

[John]

Lomachenko is bonkers quick. Rigondeaux has looked the faster fighter every time I've watched him but he looks slow by comparison here.

[John]

Rigondeaux is doing his best to play spoiler here, but Lomachenko is still shining. Hopefully that bit of aggro sparks it into real life.

EDIT - Fuck RIGHT off. Shitebag.

[SincereTheRebel]

It was always in his favour, but that was superb from loma. Rigo claiming his hand was injured is sad. We have all seeen fighters continue with injured hands before. Excuses if you ask me. He was fettingn beat clearly. Dominate from loma. Loma isnt going to get more respect until he starts movig through weight classes.

[John]

Lomachenko is different class and he looked like he could have done that for another fifty rounds, but that's deeply pathetic from Rigo.

[SincereTheRebel]

Rigo just fought for a cheque man. That hurt my heart from rigo.

[John]

He's always been a conservative, defensive fighter, but that bordered on timidity at times.

I don't think any realistic opponent would make him prove it, but I reckon Lomachenko has the best head movement this side of Mayweather.

[SincereTheRebel]

He does not really let his hands go. It was always an uphill task for him, but still. Injured hand cost him the fight is corny.

Glad it happened though. There isnt thst many elite level fights left in boxing anymore after this one.

[John]

It's probably the best fight in boxing in terms of pure ability.

GGG v Canelo aside, how many other fights can realistically be made between two legitimately world class talents?

[SincereTheRebel]

I would say wilder vs joshua and crawford vs spence/thurman/pacman. Thats about it. All the elite fights have happened over the past few years. Loma test comes from mikey garcia.

[niko_cee]

Big Bad Tyson is on the comeback trail (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/42329394) although who knows when this ban is being backdated to, if it's the original charge then wouldn't he be banned until June 2018?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Backdated to 13th of December apparently:

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[John]

I would say wilder vs joshua and crawford vs spence/thurman/pacman. Thats about it. All the elite fights have happened over the past few years. Loma test comes from mikey garcia.

Wilder isn't a world class talent, he's a massive bloke with big power who could hit you from the car park. I wouldn't be quick to put Joshua in that category either. Big Daniel Dubois will have knocked him out within three years.

[Baz]

Big Bad Tyson is on the comeback trail (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/42329394) although who knows when this ban is being backdated to, if it's the original charge then wouldn't he be banned until June 2018?He was on Soccer AM PM and looked absolutely massive.

[Kikó]

He's never going to get back to his best. The guys been smashing gear and booze for the last few years, he's fucked.

[John]

Groves v Eubank Jr tonight. ITV have done a seriously bad job promoting it.

[Disco]

Are they even showing it?

[John]

My point.

It's on their box office channel, which is a double pain in the arse because you can't order through the remote.

[Baz]

Eubank 5th round plz

[John]

That fight on the undercard just now was terrific.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Naseem Hamed seems to grow rounder every month.

I've got money on Eubank in 7-9.

[Disco]

I love that Hamed is now just a roly poly fat bastard, zero fucks given.

[Samadini]

https://s14.postimg.org/mxjv7nqs1/nas.png

:cool:

Looks like me.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is he still a Prince or do you surrender the title if you go over 125kg?

[John]

It always amuses me when the commentary team apologises for language from the corners, or they use radio edits of intro music, as though people paying to watch two blokes punch eachother witless will be outraged by a bit of swearing.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pevFEnzMshU

Super Series have the fight on their Youtube page.

Need a VPN to make your location US though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This is shit so far.

Edit: A decent round finally.

[five time]

Eubank is a decent athlete but he can't box for shit at this level. Ragged as fuck.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

There's absolutely no technique. He's just swinging in hope.

[five time]

Groves nearly fucked it by dropping his hands in that round. That cocky celebration from Eubank :lol:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Eubank senior is dressed like the ref.

[five time]

What was that announcers hair?

[Samadini]

Eubank boxed like I do on video games. Fun at the end at least.

[five time]

Naseem is savaging him here.

He might be my favourite pundit ever based on this one performance. Laying into Groves and shouting over the other two now :D

[five time]

He keeps telling Eubank he's shit and needs to retire :D

[John]

Eubank looked outmatched from the opening bell. Nowhere near good enough to get where he keeps saying he wants to be, so Naseem is probably right and he should pack it in.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:D

Naseem to unretire and batter him.

[Lewis]

'You're either good at boxing or you're not.'

[Kikó]

Great fight (watched it from the 6th after watching the shape of water - seriously what the fuck is that?) Groves defence was brilliant and considering his shoulder popped he did well to survive.

[Baz]

Callum Smith to win the lot then? :drool:

[niko_cee]

The Wilder fight was pretty, well, wild. Ortiz had to get him out when he had the chance. Strangely reminiscent of the Joshua Klitschko fight in the end. Wilder is definitely beatable, shame Ortiz and his eager little Cuban face couldn't last the pace.

Kell Brook's fight, on the other hand, was a bit procedural, but I suppose that is necessary.

[John]

That was some finish.

Looks like the Canelo v GGG rematch could be off. Canelo failed a drug test and while he's claiming tainted meat, which he's claimed and got away with loads of times before, they've suspended him while they investigate this time.

[niko_cee]

Aye, but who the hell has Browne been fighting his whole career to be unbeaten and such a bum?

He'd have made Valuev look fleet of foot.

Went down hard. Always a bit disappointing when they shelve all replays for fear he wakes up dead in the morning. Impressive from Whyte. I've always quite liked him as a fighter and it'd be interesting seeing him get a go at Wilder.

[SincereTheRebel]

Wilder will win, just off endurance alone. It should be the winner of AJ vs Parker next for Wilder.

[John]

Wilder isn't actually a great boxer, he just has bags of power and those freakishly long arms that mean he can take one step out of the centre of the ring and hit you on the ropes.

[SincereTheRebel]

He is extremely effective. He losses rounds, but he always ends up with his hand raised at the end of the fight. Extremely dangerous. I favour his wild style of joshua.

[Baz]

Anybody fancy Parker to actually outlast Joshua and finish him off late?

[Spikey M]

Anybody fancy Parker to actually outlast Joshua and finish him off late?

Can’t see it but it’s only a matter of time before someone does. Get him in a full 12 rounder, take him past half way and every round is yours. When he does lose it will be on points.

[niko_cee]

Big Tyson's your man for the job.

[Shindig]

Is he due back in the ring soon? I've missed the guy.

[Kikó]

He's signed up with Warren recently so it'll happen.

Shame that canelo is a big drug cheat.

[Spikey M]

Big Tyson's your man for the job.

I would love to see that fight. Only if Tyson can get back to his best though.

[SincereTheRebel]

AJ doing too much complaining for me. Needs to keep focused. Some fighters will try and rough you up on the inside and use their head as ram.

Joshua is trying to line up that head control into a uppercut. Same way he did wlad

[SincereTheRebel]

Good fight. AJ was heated during the in ring interviews. Its good to see. Call out wilder and fury, but fuck fury right now. That wilder fight will be real life wakanda mode

[John]

That was crap. Parker spent most of the fight on the back foot but it was clearly a game plan and as far as I could see he was the more aggressive and successful fighter in most rounds.

That referee is boxing's Steve Mazzagatti, get involved when he shouldn't and stand elsewhere when he should get involved. Hopefully I never see him again.

[Yevrah]

Is Joshua really that good?

[SincereTheRebel]

He is good. Definitely the best in the world right now at heavyweight. Its him and wilder as number 2. I think it was froch who made a great point. Wilder has nothing to worry about based on that performance from AJ. He has his flaws.

[John]

He's not, and you'll find me saying as much earlier in the thread. The hype says he's Lennox Lewis with a more marketable face, but he got to the game too late to be truly world class.

Have that same fight in Australia tonight and Parker wins by the same margin.

[hfswjyr]

I always get caught by the hype and watch the match, but I'm yet to see an exciting boxing match.

That one was probably the boring-est yet.

[hfswjyr]

He's not, and you'll find me saying as much earlier in the thread. The hype says he's Lennox Lewis with a more marketable face, but he got to the game too late to be truly world class.

Have that same fight in Australia tonight and Parker wins by the same margin.
Why would they have it in Australia...?

[John]

Why would they have it in Australia...?

I assumed he was like Mark Hunt and his big fights were held in the larger neighbouring country for the sake of gate receipts. Is that not the case?

[John]

I always get caught by the hype and watch the match, but I'm yet to see an exciting boxing match.

That one was probably the boring-est yet.

Google Carl Froch v Mikkel Kessler. They've fought twice and both are terrific. Those sorts of fights are why people get caught in the hype despite being stung again and again.

[hfswjyr]

I assumed he was like Mark Hunt and his big fights were held in the larger neighbouring country for the sake of gate receipts. Is that not the case?

I admit I had to check, but no, it doesn't seem like it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Parker_(boxer)#Professional_boxing_record

[Queenslander]

Jeff Horn got his name in New Zealand.

He is will be knocked out in his next fight though.

[SincereTheRebel]

Yeah, crawford is special and I suspect its not going to end well for horn.

[five time]

He's not, and you'll find me saying as much earlier in the thread. The hype says he's Lennox Lewis with a more marketable face, but he got to the game too late to be truly world class.

Have that same fight in Australia tonight and Parker wins by the same margin.

You scored the fight to Parker by a long way?

I can see an argument for it being close but a similar margin the other way is ridiculous.

[John]

You scored the fight to Parker by a long way?

I can see an argument for it being close but a similar margin the other way is ridiculous.

No, and I don't see how my post would suggest I had. I was saying the fight was close and could have gone either way, and that the margin was down to home crowd judging.

[five time]

From your other post where you said he was more aggressive and successful in most rounds.

The scores looked a little too wide but I think Joshua was edging most rounds and dictating the fight. The widest score was from the NZ judge and Parker admitted himself he lost.

It was almost a Klitschko style performance from AJ. The size difference was a bit much, it'll be interesting to see how he deals with Fury or Wilder.

[Gray Fox]

Apparently Canelo v GGG 2 is off. So sayeth a man on Twitter.

[Kikó]

And the Mirror. The drugs don't work.

[Mike]

Anyone watching Haye Bellew? They’re ringing walking now.

I’m excited to hear Haye’s excuse this time out.

[Gray Fox]

Hoping Haye goes wobbly again.

[Disco]

Why is Haye wearing comically large shorts?

[Gray Fox]

I was not disappointed :D

[Mike]

“I’m broke laaa” couldn’t be more scouse :cool2:
Glad he won, can’t be doing with Haye.

[Shindig]

He should've packed it in after Klitschko. Nowt worse than a boxer hanging around like that.

[Baz]

What a shambles David Haye is.

[SincereTheRebel]

I reckon he was injures before the first bell. He just didnt look right at all.

[Spikey M]

I reckon he was injures before the first bell. He just didnt look right at all.

He’s always injured before the fight when he loses.

[Shindig]

"I couldn't push off during the fight. All of my stopping power is in the little toe on my weaker foot."

[Kikó]

He's chronically injured. Shame as he was a good boxer.

[SincereTheRebel]

If you are always injured, then you really need to hang it up. At this point, haye is like butterbean. Four round fighter then his body just fails. Pretty embarassing if you ask me.

[-james-]

Eurovision:

Cyprus @ 10.0
Czech Republic @ 16.5
Sweden @ 30.0

Top Balkan:
Croatia @ 20.0 (12.0+ fine)

Semi Final 1:
Azerbaijan to qualify at 2.3

Semi Final 2:
Russia to not qualify at 2.0

[-james-]

The Russia one is risky just because they'll probably buy their way through, but it's one of the worst entries ever so it seems a steal.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Cyprus actually has a chance?

:drool:

[-james-]

I might have entered the wrong thread here.

[-james-]

And yes, there is plenty to :drool: over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwMTyLqb7zo

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I reckon she could knockout a Russian.

[phonics]

Barely anything to do with boxing but it's a fucking great read:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/may/08/eamonn-magee-boxer-bullet-ira-sectarianism-world-champion?CMP=share_btn_tw

[phonics]

Barely anything to do with boxing but it's a fucking great read:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/may/08/eamonn-magee-boxer-bullet-ira-sectarianism-world-champion?CMP=share_btn_tw

He's on Second Captains this week, I need subtitles for this podcast.

[Magic]

Is this Tyson's younger brother?

[Kikó]

Cousin.

[Magic]

So I was right then.

[Boom-Boom-18]

Lamachenko vs Linares is on Box Nation for anyone who is up (free to all those with BT Sport subscriptions).

[SincereTheRebel]

3 weight world champ now. Loma is a special talent. He carries on like this, we will sitting at the table with the rest of the boxing gods.

[Queenslander]

I caught Horn spawing with a local champ at me Greek box fit/ serious boxing club.

Not in anyway qualified to judge him because Im beer fit.

[SincereTheRebel]

Crawford will take his title soon.

[SincereTheRebel]

Stevenson vs Jack this weekend. Should be a good one. Stevenson has been a champ for a long time now. The kovalev fight didnt happen and ward took his soul. Im going with Jack as he has looked good the past few fights.

[Kikó]

Selby is fighting as well.

[SincereTheRebel]

Welsh Mayweather

[Magic]

Yeah can't see past Selby.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Clashing trunks ffs lads.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Great opening two rounds.

Warrington is fucking going for it.

[Magic]

Jesus Christ. Did not expect that.