News of the day

[Shindig]

If I find a smooth Mars Bar, I want a tour of the factory.

[niko_cee]

Sweetness
Sweetness, I was only joking when I said
I'd like to refine your logo (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c1mr0kgjk4ro) in my shed

Rebranding strikes again

La la lalalalalala

Look like a commercial radio station from the 80s. Your local fox M6N.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The colours are all wrong. It's Wales v Ireland in February, not some sun-drenched jamboree in Perth.

[Shindig]

Imagine the fight to get the rugby ball silhouette in there.

[Luke Emia]

I couldn’t work out what the M stood for. Then it clicked that it’s men’s.

[Magic]

MasterChef been cancelled tonight, thank god for iPlayer.

[randomlegend]

MasterChef been cancelled tonight, thank god for iPlayer.

No it hasn't?

[niko_cee]

Yeah, it appears to be on and someone has just said breast in the vicinity of Gregggg.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn38321180et

Absolutely no idea what's going on here, but chuffed for the lads either way.

[Pepe]

And they are the less crazy side lol.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77jx4d5748o

This lad will never let it go, bless him.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If the council own everything that's in the landfill they should go in and find it. Could build a new set of swings in the park.

[Shindig]

Accidental Boro Pie Theft (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqx8rw8nwv1o)

[niko_cee]

The pies were probably fine. Wonder how claiming 25k for pies goes with insurers.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn38321180et

Absolutely no idea what's going on here, but chuffed for the lads either way.

Government shitshows all over the shop with the imminent demise of The Fifth Republic's M. Barnier. Real shame that one.

[Spikey M]

We appear to be sitting atop a bit of a tinderbox. People are fucked off the whole world over and it'll be interesting/distressing to see what happens from here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think there's a lot of frustration because great wealth and riches have never been more visible daily (online, on TV, everywhere) and yet still so out of reach for the common man. Equally, the elites who feel entitled to that wealth and riches (and can conceive of no other world) are incredibly frustrated because people are calling them out and they feel blameless but also indignant.

[Baz]

Oi oi Spikey M the synthetic drug train rolls on.

3 dead in Hull and 40 "casualties" (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpq9z7gplz8o#:~:text=A%20man%20has%20died%20and%20 20%20other%20people,Monday%20after%20reports%20tha t%20a%20man%20had%20died.), victims of wanting to buy some lovely Spice and finding it's been adulterated with something else. :sherlock:

[niko_cee]

If rogue operators end up wiping out most drug users with dodgy stuff isn't that a bit of a two birds one stone situation? Maybe even no stone. No stoners?

[Baz]

If rogue operators end up wiping out most drug users with dodgy stuff isn't that a bit of a two birds one stone situation? Maybe even no stone. No stoners?

Yeah its definitely not a desired effect. There's a big seller on Telegram who was contacted and actually put up information on his channel where he actively advertises selling drugs, promoting safe usage and harm reduction messages. They don't want their customers to die, but it's cheap to lower potency and fill them with cheap synthetic replacements - unfortunately it usually has unwanted adverse effects.

Although that last point kind of falls down with spice, considering it's synthetic to start with, so no idea what's going on tbh. Probably smoking tea like on the inbetweeners.

[Spikey M]

The shit is finding its way into knock off vapes now too. I don't think there is a silver lining to this particular cloud (even if it does smell of strawberries)

[Gray Fox]

Someone just offed a big healthcare CEO in the US in broad daylight, in New York.

[niko_cee]

And rode off on a bike. Ban bikes!

[Gray Fox]

No, the only way to combat this is ensure everyone has a bike.

[Danny]

If the CEO had a more powerful bike he would have survived.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Says a lot about us that some guy getting zapped in NYC has supplanted the French government collapsing live on the top of the BBC website.

[Magic]

Someone just offed a big healthcare CEO in the US in broad daylight, in New York.

God it begins. Bring it fucking on.

[niko_cee]

CEO assassination feels a bit analogous to that bad drugs story.

[Spikey M]

Considering US drug companies being lying scumbags about the addictive nature of OxyContin directly caused the opioid crisis that is driving CHINA to flood the west with synthetic opioids, it's actually rather beautiful.

[Pepe]

Insurance companies don't make drugs.

[Magic]

No but they're the reason they're $35000 instead of $3.

[Pepe]

How does that work?

[niko_cee]

The results are in and the French Parliament says "non"! [/Dimblebyvoice].

[Magic]

How does that work?

Them and the big pharma together. Loch out.

[Pepe]

France really is something to see.

[niko_cee]

It's probably not really the ideal time for the the central axis of European power to both have completely failing lame duck governments.

At least we have Sir Keir Stable, always out of step politically with the rest of the world.

[Magic]

Georgia, France, South Korea.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The frogs have got themselves into a bit of a bind. Don't think there's any conceivable centrist figure that Manu could appoint now, so his options are either plonk some ludicrous unelected technocrats in charge, or restart the Paris Commune.

Maybe he should just to hell with the lot of them and go full Napoleon/Sun King. Whiff of grapeshot, l'etat c'est moi, choose your fighter.

[Shindig]

Georgia is more about them trying to move away from Uncle Vlad whilst they're stuck fighting a war elsewhere. The iron has never been hotter.

[Boydy]

The Georgia stuff is CIA orchestrated, surely?

[Lewis]

At the same time, you would think Georgians ought to have learned from Ukraine. What do they expect to happen going down the same path?

[niko_cee]

Yeah, fucking people not wanting to be part of a rogue kleptocratic regime that only views you as an expendable buffer against their enemies. Oh wait, they want to join the EU? As you were.

[Giggles]

I’ve seen nothing about France but I’m really hoping it’s a revolt against the far left and back to normality.

[Giggles]

Actually, sadly it’s just some political manoeuvring and nothing else. I got caught up in all the BREXIT and WAR guff on here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's a revolt against the libs, so it's most of what you want.

[Boydy]

"Far left", give your head a wobble, Giggles.

[Giggles]

It’s fuck all when you read what’s happening. BUT FRANCE

[Giggles]

"Far left", give your head a wobble, Giggles.

Sorry to annoy your tweed jumper and 27 genders but there’s really only a center and far left these days. You lot can roar far right at every woman who doesn’t want a mickey in a changing room but you’re still an extreme shower of wackos.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Their legislative government has fallen in after some failed shenanigans were put down by Melenchon's mob and Le Pen's lot and they will have to appoint a new PM with pretty much no acceptable options available and no possibility for fresh elections. I'd say that's fairly dramatic stuff, were you expecting the guillotine out?

[Giggles]

Their legislative government has fallen in after some failed shenanigans were put down by Melenchon's mob and Le Pen's lot and they will have to appoint a new PM with pretty much no acceptable options available and no possibility for fresh elections. I'd say that's fairly dramatic stuff, were you expecting the guillotine out?

I was expecting the place to be crumbling once I waded through the drool here.

[Boydy]

Sorry to annoy your tweed jumper and 27 genders but there’s really only a center and far left these days. You lot can roar far right at every woman who doesn’t want a mickey in a changing room but you’re still an extreme shower of wackos.

I hate identity politics, you dickhead.

Macron is very much the centre though.

[Giggles]

I hate identity politics, you dickhead.

Macron is very much the centre though.

No you don’t. You’ve always been a big lefty twat and you lot have been moving off the scale in the past few years.

[Pepe]

What is lol about France is that this is all due to those elections Macron decided to call, even though there was zero reason for it. I still have zero clue why he did that and my only theory is that he saw that the UK was having elections and he got jealous and wanted in on the action.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Boydy's a good old materialist of the non-woke left, a dying breed.

[phonics]

1864408802981777455

Can't imagine why someone would want to murder these people.

[Magic]

I'd love if we just decided to rip these pricks limb from limb.

Like a Hutu rebellion. Get the zombie knives out and slice and dice. Announce their addresses on the radio.

[phonics]

I have had a long running theory that the world has got shitter specifically due to the rich and powerful not fearing for their life if they push it a bit too far.

[Dquincy]

I have had a long running theory that the world has got shitter specifically due to the rich and powerful not fearing for their life if they push it a bit too far.

Spoken like a true (autistic) peasant.

[phonics]

I'm proud of you for knowing a 3 syllable word. Incorrectly applied but it's progress.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I can sign up to that, albeit with a smattering of the fact that they used to fear God as well.

[Boydy]

I have had a long running theory that the world has got shitter specifically due to the rich and powerful not fearing for their life if they push it a bit too far.

It's because the Soviet Union no longer exists.

But yeah, a bit of fear for their own personal safety would help.

Maybe there'll be some copycat attacks now.

[phonics]

It's because the Soviet Union no longer exists.

4 thousand people participated in the October Revolution in a country of (at the time) 125 million that led to the formation of the Soviet Union. These peoples selfish fear for themselves trumps everything.

[phonics]

Guys been arrested because he posted a video on social media about it that gave away his exact GPS location. Idiot.

[Shindig]

The bike had a GPS as well so his movements should be well and truly figured out.

[phonics]

The bike had a GPS as well so his movements should be well and truly figured out.

Nah NYPD said that it wasn’t a citibike so likely some Redditor got some innocent person arrested again.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy47dz8yp4vo

More Greggggggg allegations.

[Ben]

Why should we care about a gun death in America again?

[Shindig]

Nah NYPD said that it wasn’t a citibike so likely some Redditor got some innocent person arrested again.

What a weird time we live in.

[Magic]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy47dz8yp4vo

More Greggggggg allegations.

Newsnight asked whether the towel dropping could have been an accident, to which Ms Kyle said “definitely not”.

Inspiring journalism. :D

[Yevrah]

Answering the door in a towel is straight out of the Weinstein playbook. No accident in sight.

[Spikey M]

I regularly knock on doors for work and have had various men (usually, occasionally women) open the door in various states of undress. Usually when I visit unexpectedly, but occasionally when precooked. It's odd behaviour, but not that odd.

That said, the towel / dressing gown / awkwardly placed hand have never been dropped, be it on purpose or accidentally. It's also - I must note - particularly common amongst the Eastern European community. I've no idea why. Sir Andy Mahowry

[Magic]

You're not a semi-attractive woman, though.

[Spikey M]

Rude.

[Kikó]

Sorry to annoy your tweed jumper and 27 genders but there’s really only a center and far left these days. You lot can roar far right at every woman who doesn’t want a mickey in a changing room but you’re still an extreme shower of wackos.

Have you been watching too much YouTube grandad?

[niko_cee]

At least there are some good quotes coming out of La France to sate Giggles' ostensible wants and needs.

RN adviser Philippe Olivier told Le Monde the president was,


“a fallen republican monarch, advancing with his shirt open and a rope around his neck up to the next dissolution [of parliament]”.

Think the beeb added the bracket 'context' there. I reckon the actual intended meaning was more guillotine than parliamentary process.

[Giggles]

Have you been watching too much YouTube grandad?

That's just one of the token lines to trot out when you know someone's right have no argument.

[phonics]

This is a man who thought eating pasta was woke and virtue signalling a decade ago. Giggles never needed algorithmic youtube brainrot to be a fucking dunce.

[Giggles]

Yes that's exactly what I thought. The centre is the way forward lads, you far-left extremists are going to have to get on board.

[phonics]

Nah, I won't rest until your nan is trans.

[Pepe]

“If you won't let me sleep with you, would you lick my [anus]?"

:D

[Magic]

I'd love to know what he actually did/said.

[Boydy]

Guys been arrested because he posted a video on social media about it that gave away his exact GPS location. Idiot.

Where did you see this? I'm not seeing any reports anywhere of them having caught the guy yet?

[Pepe]

I'd love to know what he actually did/said.

Whatever it was, it was not enough for her to stop working with him.

[Magic]

Investigators say the words "deny," "defend," and "depose" were written on the shell casings recovered at the scene of the attack, the BBC's US partner CBS News reports

This guy is a fucking legend.

[niko_cee]

Disgruntled with medical insurance provider, gun owner, should narrow the field down to about 200 million Americans.

[Pepe]

:uhoh:

[Boydy]

Disgruntled with medical insurance provider, gun owner, should narrow the field down to about 200 million Americans.

It's amazing it doesn't happen more.

They should start shooting up boardrooms instead of schools.

[Ben]

Eat the rich. :drool:

[Kikó]

You radical lefties need to calm down.

[Lofty]

Could Giggles define what he considers the centre?

[Manc]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/dec/05/muhammad-is-uks-most-popular-boys-baby-name-for-first-time

:uhoh:

[Pepe]

Better than Noah and don't get me started on 'Isla'.

[randomlegend]

Isla seems a pretty inoffensive name.

[Pepe]

Not in the dumb way English speakers pronounce it.

[Magic]

Better than Jose and Amigo.

[Boydy]

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Lol. They should shoot more CEOs.

[niko_cee]

Talk about shitting on his legacy.

[Dquincy]

I regularly knock on doors for work and have had various men (usually, occasionally women) open the door in various states of undress. Usually when I visit unexpectedly, but occasionally when precooked. It's odd behaviour, but not that odd.

That said, the towel / dressing gown / awkwardly placed hand have never been dropped, be it on purpose or accidentally. It's also - I must note - particularly common amongst the Eastern European community. I've no idea why. Sir Andy Mahowry
In my twenties, my neighbour, who was a divorcee, requested I come round to help her fit a mirror in her ensuite. I went and knocked on her door and she was wearing nothing but a towel. She then proceeded to sit on the stairs chatting so her beaver was at my eye height.

But I shan't be going to the papers about it.

[Lofty]

Did you fit the mirror?

[randomlegend]

Not in the dumb way English speakers pronounce it.

How would you pronounce it, Ees-la, as opposed to Eye-la? It appears to be a name which has appeared independently from both Scotland and Spanish-speaking countries, with Eye-la being the Scottish pronunciation. "Ees-la" sounds equally as awkward to me as I imagine Eye-la does to you.

[Dquincy]

Did you fit the mirror?
I did. She got dressed first, I then went upstairs and fitted the mirror.

Whilst I was fitting the mirror she started telling me about the sex she had with her recent ex-boyfriend on the bed in the next room. Which was, whilst unnecessary, quite funny.

[Magic]

You should have rammed the mirror up her cunt.

[niko_cee]

Doesn't it mean island in Spanish?

Here's my daughter Island.

[Pepe]

It does.

[Dquincy]

You should have rammed the mirror up her cunt.
If mirror means my penis, I'd rather have not. She wasn't horrid, but her face reminded me of a hamster. I think it was all the nuts she'd stored in her mouth.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It must be hell listening to Florida, Trinidad, Antigua, Nevada, Los Angeles etc get butchered by English speakers. Too bad the Spanish-speaking troops were such a useless bunch of wastrels for 400 years to lose all these lands to God's righteous protestants.

[-james-]

https://i.imgur.com/b36cEmE.png

Righteous AND dreamy?

[niko_cee]

Sadly rules him out as some sort of professional hitman.

[randomlegend]

It's quite clearly not the same guy lol.

https://i.imgur.com/hoWaMar.png

[Jimmy Floyd]

Isn't it? Nose looks similar. Obviously must be different day / after a change of clothes.

Meanwhle, some vibrant stuff afoot in the west midlands: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cew298qg8lxo

[-james-]

https://i.imgur.com/7xQH4Hf.png

Chad lad. First Daniel Khalife, now this. The world is too cruel.

[Magic]

Lost his glorious anonymity for a thirst trap.

[Yevrah]

My money’s on the wife organising a hit.

[Gray Fox]

In a very 2024 story, the girl behind the Hawk Tuah meme decided to create a form of crypto currency. For some more bizarre reasons, many people decided to invest. When it went live it went up, before absolutely tanking going down by over 90%

[Magic]

Did she make loads of money?

[Gray Fox]

Did she make loads of money?

Funnily enough I reckon she did.

[Spikey M]

I highly doubt it was her. Some whale will have convinced her, floated it, pumped in a tonne of cash, then rug pulled. Textbook.

[Magic]

Funnily enough I reckon she did.

My girl. Trolling incel neck beards all '24.

[Lofty]

I'm sure a pornstar did it last year and some clown even got a tattoo of her before she rugpulled then all. Crying wanks all round.

[Lewis]

This (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg80jrj2r2o) story about the teenager falling off a theme park ride begs many questions. Fourteen?

[randomlegend]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86wq09q472o.amp

God he's such an odious piece of shit. Should be in prison.

[Shindig]

This (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg80jrj2r2o) story about the teenager falling off a theme park ride begs many questions. Fourteen?

22 stone. Imagine the thud.

Speaking of dying to gravity, this lad in the mineshaft sounds suspicious. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9385j3zdw9o)

[Magic]

Tyre lol.

[randomlegend]

£243m??? Fucking wot???

[niko_cee]

It's America, they literally just pull a number out of the air. Doesn't America's Mayor owe two random election workers hundreds of millions in damages?

Speaking of the thud, there was a pretty brutal video of this wasn't there?

[Danny]

It's America, they literally just pull a number out of the air. Doesn't America's Mayor owe two random election workers hundreds of millions in damages?

Speaking of the thud, there was a pretty brutal video of this wasn't there?

There was. It was grim.

[Danny]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86wq09q472o.amp

God he's such an odious piece of shit. Should be in prison.

First he stops making Football threads. Now this. Welby :panda:

[Dquincy]

This (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg80jrj2r2o) story about the teenager falling off a theme park ride begs many questions. Fourteen?

It's one thing to award that amount of money, but another in obtaining it. Could the company not liquidate themselves to avoid paying it?

[Boydy]

1864830584675090696

[Shindig]

Backpack found. Hope he has a wacky manifesto.

[John Arne]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86wq09q472o.amp

God he's such an odious piece of shit. Should be in prison.

I genuinely would have zero remorse if somebody shot Welby in the fucking head. Odious man.

[Lofty]

Why is everyone shitting their pants over milk?

[Manc]

Lactose intolerance.

[niko_cee]

Why is everyone shitting their pants over milk?

Chem trails, the deep state, Bill Gates etc.

[Spikey M]

They've started using some cattle feed that makes the cows fart less, which, you know, obviously means milk = cancer.

[Spikey M]

1864830584675090696

https://i.ibb.co/8XhgJyt/20241207-191252.jpg

[Boydy]

1865557826073981235

:lol:

[Bernanke]

Assad seems to be a goner.

[Ben]

His wife and kids fled to Russia over a week ago so obviously they knew it’d fall quickly after Aleppo was taken.

[Bernanke]

I didn't mean only as a leader, Reuters seem to be claiming he's dead in a plane crash.

[Ben]

I saw that but some places have detracted it. It would be insane for him to get on a plane and then fly over rebel territory. Best guesses are it was an army plane going to get some commanders.

[niko_cee]

No longer useful Vlad Ladz should probably avoid planes. And windows. And balconies.

[Jimmy Floyd]

All going tits up for the alliance of destiny, isn't it. Package holidays to Iran in time for next summer.

[Boydy]

1865438538919030958

:lol:

[niko_cee]

Where were we discussing Gout Gout previously? I see he's been at it again.

[Bam]

https://www.thethirdhalf.co.uk/showthread.php?3210-Remember-the-name-Gout-Gout

[niko_cee]

Seems they've found/arrested the assassin guy and he did have a "handwritten document" - reportedly described earlier by police sources as a "manifesto".


NYPD Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny said that from the document, it appeared the suspect had "some ill will towards corporate America".

:D

Bake 'em away, toys.

[Magic]

"yeah of course mister, you've seen the CEO assassin in McDonald's. And I'm Edward G Robinson"

[niko_cee]

In other killing news I see they've just had that thing in Nepal where they go mental and just kill everything in sight that isn't a person.

[SvN]

I find myself quite gutted that they've caught him.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Steady on, you're next.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, shame there wasn't some way to set up a gofundme to disincentivise dobbing him in for the reward monies.

[Boydy]

Hopefully a jury just finds him not guilty.

[Shindig]

How do you find someone not guilty for shooting a man in the head in full view of a camera?

[Danny]

https://i.imgur.com/eRE2KyI.png

:uhoh:

[Shindig]

Ted was way better at covering his tracks.

[niko_cee]

One presumes he wasn't really all that interested in not being caught seeing as he was bowling around with the gun, the silencer and a manifesto as to why he did it.

[Shindig]

Most people that way inclined would just pop themselves at the first sign of the net closing in. Fuck the Big Mac.

[Magic]

He obviously wants a stage to preach.

Preach away.

[Boydy]

How do you find someone not guilty for shooting a man in the head in full view of a camera?

I've never done jury duty but I think you just say "not guilty" and if enough of you do it, that's the verdict.

[Shindig]

You'd need a judge that's okay with murder. Otherwise that jury gets dismissed.

[SvN]

Jury nullification

[niko_cee]

I suppose he could say all of the evidence is deep fake deep state plants, maybe that might wangle and angle but good luck finding an American jury that doesn't want to convict a CEO shooter. They fucking love CEOs, it's what their entire national identity is built around.

[randomlegend]

You'd need a judge that's okay with murder. Otherwise that jury gets dismissed.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/jury_nullification#:~:text=Jury%20nullification%20 refers%20to%20a,sense%20of%20justice%2C%20morality %2C%20or

[phonics]

SvNs correct, its Jury Nullification. The irony being that if you discuss the concept of Jury Nullification with your fellow jurors then they can have you removed from the jury,

[Magic]

I suppose he could say all of the evidence is deep fake deep state plants, maybe that might wangle and angle but good luck finding an American jury that doesn't want to convict a CEO shooter. They fucking love CEOs, it's what their entire national identity is built around.

Correct. Once again the internet isn't representative of the public.

They'll think he's a woke snowflake.

[Pepe]

At least the communists had some sort of plan of what to do after their revolution. The current 'leftist' lot just wants to moan.

[Pepe]

Correct. Once again the internet isn't representative of the public.

They'll think he's a woke snowflake.

I mean, to think that he was some sort of hero because he wrote 'corporations bad lol' in fucking 2024 is not much better than thinking he is a woke snowflake. He is just one of many lunatics that this country manages to put out on a daily basis.

[phonics]

At least the communists had some sort of plan of what to do after their revolution. The current 'leftist' lot just wants to moan.

It's almost like there's a large state apparatus built specifically to forment divides, inform, arrest and murder those that even might possibly do something based on the previous issues they had.

[-james-]

Him being a handsome, educated, Joe Rogan white boy is the funniest possible outcome.

[Pepe]

It's almost like there's a large state apparatus built specifically to forment divides, inform, arrest and murder those that even might possibly do something based on the previous issues they had.

Have you seen any government in action? As if those fuckers could create 'a large state apparatus built specifically to forment divides, inform, arrest and murder.'

[Pepe]

Him being a handsome, educated, Joe Rogan white boy is the funniest possible outcome.

Climate change seems to be his thing. What else could he possibly be?

[phonics]

Have you seen any government in action? As if those fuckers could create 'a large state apparatus built specifically to forment divides, inform, arrest and murder.'

I'm sorry but what exactly do you think the CIA has been doing to your country of origin and the rest of Latin America for the past 70 years?

[Pepe]

We are quite capable of fucking up our own shit, thank you very much.

[phonics]

And every time you might have had an opportunity not to fuck up your own shit, guess who was there to give a helpful prod in the unhelpful direction.

[Pepe]

I'm sure the communists would have donned it in each of those instances, yes.

[phonics]

It's just so anti-intellectual to go 'lol government bad and incompetenent' when for your entire existence and generations and generations before you there has been empire. Empire doesn't just appear one day and never disappear by fluke.

[Shindig]

Him being a handsome, educated, Joe Rogan white boy is the funniest possible outcome.

I appreciate the irony of an anti-capitalist being collared at a McDonalds.

[Pepe]

Anyway, I am sure once redditors kill a few more CEOs climate change will disappear and we will reach a new era of prosperity, wait no, equity like never seen before.

[Yevrah]

Much like wishing death on Thatcher I've found the response to this weird. Tis a rocky road when you're deciding who it's acceptable to kill, whoever you are.

[Boydy]

Fuck up.

[phonics]

I appreciate the irony of an anti-capitalist being collared at a McDonalds.

This vision is kind of the problem.

1) Being against the US Healthcare System doesn't make you anti-capitalist
2) Even in this imaginary world, where would be acceptable for an anti-capitalist to shop.

[Spoonsky]

Much like wishing death on Thatcher I've found the response to this weird. Tis a rocky road when you're deciding who it's acceptable to kill, whoever you are.

You're right, it's a rocky road to getting gunned down on 5th avenue.

[Spoonsky]

This (https://www.propublica.org/article/unitedhealth-healthcare-insurance-denial-ulcerative-colitis) is a good read on UnitedHealth. They're deciding who lives and dies every day to try and make more money.

[Boydy]

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Lol.

It was apparently some old person who reported seeing him at the McDonald's. Fucking boomers.

[Pepe]

What you up to these days Spoons? Will you become a Prof like your parents, or are you going to join the corporate greed rat race?

[Yevrah]

You're right, it's a rocky road to getting gunned down on 5th avenue.

Which makes what the shooter did ok, right?

[Yevrah]

This (https://www.propublica.org/article/unitedhealth-healthcare-insurance-denial-ulcerative-colitis) is a good read on UnitedHealth. They're deciding who lives and dies every day to try and make more money.

Some corporations are sub-human scum, a man that guns down a human in the street is sub-human scum. Why is that so difficult for people to say and why do we always need sides? It's so monumentally tedious and gets us absolutely nowhere.

[phonics]

Which makes what the shooter did ok, right?

Why does everything a corporation not have to be morally justifiable but everything against them does?

[phonics]

Some corporations are sub-human scum, a man that guns down a human in the street is sub-human scum. Why is that so difficult for people to say and why do we always need sides? It's so monumentally tedious and gets us absolutely nowhere.

Because the individual is much less of a threat to the greater mass than the corporation.

[Yevrah]

Why does everything a corporation not have to be morally justifiable

Didn't say that it did. Why do you think I think that it does?

[Yevrah]

Because the individual is much less of a threat to the greater mass than the corporation.

So murder is entirely justified when it's done against someone working for a scummy corporation? Or just very rich people working for scum corporations? What are the rules here?

[Lewis]

It's almost like there's a large state apparatus built specifically to forment divides, inform, arrest and murder those that even might possibly do something based on the previous issues they had.

If this is true then isn't it even more stupid of people to want to legitimise murdering their perceived societal enemies? You would effectively be arguing for yourself being chucked out of a helicopter.

[phonics]

So murder is entirely justified when it's done against someone working for a scummy corporation? Or just very rich people working for scum corporations? What are the rules here?

Justified probably isn’t the term but like, if a local drug dealer/criminal that’s made my local area worse gets off’d I’m supposed to feel bad for him?

[phonics]

If this is true then isn't it even more stupid of people to want to legitimise murdering their perceived societal enemies? You would effectively be arguing for yourself being chucked out of a helicopter.

The side with the money and the power already are.

[John Arne]

I think that CEO's of companies literally killing people and creating poverty for thousands of families should be given teddy bears, extra Christmas presents and hugs and kisses.

[Spoonsky]

Which makes what the shooter did ok, right?

I mean, if I had control over everything I would send him to jail and then reform the entire health care system. Given that I don't, I'm not going to feel to upset about the death of a man who got rich at the expense of countless people's lives. And if it serves as a precursor to changing the whole system - which is hard to quantify, obviously, but people have definitely talked more about the problems of the health care system this week than in the last 5 years put together - then I'll be extra not-upset.

Like the Potawotamie massacre.

[Spoonsky]

I am curious where one draws the line at outrage. Is killing a dictator okay? Dictators are human beings too.

[Ben]

As if a McDonald’s customer grassed him up. Like turkeys voting for Christmas.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm going to shoot an NHS nurse every half hour until the service is privatised. Take direct action for what you believe in.

[Spikey M]

Him being a handsome, educated, Joe Rogan white boy is the funniest possible outcome.

Aren't they always?

[Spikey M]

Which makes what the shooter did ok, right?

Yev, this is akin to finding out that Ian Watkins has been tied up and had his bollocks torched with a bunsen burner, before being beheaded and having "kiddie fiddler" written on the wall with his innards. Is it OK? Obviously not. Would I laugh my arse off and hope nobody grassed up the perpetrator? Absofuckinglutely.

Horrible shit happens sometimes, let's just enjoy it when it happens to the right people. And the CEO of a Yank Health Insurance company is definitely the right people.

[Shindig]

Can we just stop and admire the deceased's blue suit jacket?

[Spikey M]

I imagine many of the people his company have refused to pay out for had children too.

[Shindig]

Fair. I probably shouldn't have made that a point of contention. It's a shite business and something like universal healthcare would've taken the edge off it.

[Magic]

I'm going to shoot an NHS nurse every half hour until the service is privatised. Take direct action for what you believe in.

It isn't standing up for what you believe in. It's taking out someone harmful to society. Simple as that.

[randomlegend]

People like these health insurance CEOs have had it made abundantly clear to them that they are free to exploit, maim and murder the masses with complete and utter impunity and be rewarded beyond comprehension for doing so.

People feel - because they are - completely powerless to change it by peaceful means. The balance of power and influence is so laughably lopsided.

Society functions on the basis that there are consequences for carrying out depraved acts against others. It has reached the point where these consequences no longer apply to certain extremely wealthy and powerful people. It's hardly surprising certain members of the trodden-on classes feel compelled to provide the consequences to these CEOs - who are psychopaths, in the truest sense - which "the system" has failed to provide.

Do I condone someone being gunned down in the street? No.

Is violence an inevitable consequence of allowing certain people to exploit (to the point of bringing about their premature death) everyone else for their own enormous benefit with no accountability? Yes I think it probably is.

You can't just keep increasing the level of inequality (in every sense of the word) infinitely and expect people to accept it. Eventually some people will snap.

[niko_cee]

Change the system then.

Reducing everything to good and evil based on a preconceived idea of who qualifies as good and who qualifies as bad is both pointless and daft. Who knows what this guy was like? Maybe he pushed for things that helped the common man and tried to run/change his business accordingly. Maybe he didn't. Is Warren Buffet a bad guy? Should he be shot? Even in Spikey's article you can see that the Living Saints of the Hippocratic Order are quite often as much the 'bad guys' in all this as the evil executives.

[randomlegend]

Change the system then.

How?

[niko_cee]

Insurrection.

I don't know anything about the US health system, but isn't the problem one faces when trying to convince a populace that it needs changing is that most of them don't think it does? If dodgy gut guy was in the UK would he be on his Mayo Clinic conceived complicated cocktail of weird biologics or would he be just shitting himself to death?

[Kikó]

Insurrection 😍

[randomlegend]

Insurrection.

I don't know anything about the US health system, but isn't the problem one faces when trying to convince a populace that it needs changing is that most of them don't think it does? If dodgy gut guy was in the UK would he be on his Mayo Clinic conceived complicated cocktail of weird biologics or would he be just shitting himself to death?

US health insurance companies don't just deny approval for weird experimental drug cocktails.

They deny/fight against funding basic treatments and investigations.

Saw a letter the other day from a US paediatric oncologist to an insurance company because they were refusing to fund basic anti-emetics for a child on chemotherapy.

They are pure evil.

Edit:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/amyfeldman/2024/12/05/unitedhealthcare-denies-more-claims-than-other-insurers---angering-patients-and-health-systems/

The company the dead CEO was from deny around a THIRD of claims, double the industry average.

[Pepe]

Let's say an insurance company denies a claim. Couldn't the doctors, heroes that they are, volunteer to do the procedure for free ($350k, average salary for an oncologist). Sounds like they put money before lives. Let's kill them all too.

[Pepe]

Imagine how many more claims United Healthcare could approve if the oncologist was not a greedy bastard and only took home $100k per year.

[niko_cee]

Don't forget the salary of the doctor who gives the medical opinion to approve the refusal.

[randomlegend]

I appreciate you're just providing your usual pointless, idiotic interjections, but no they couldn't.

$350k a year is nowhere near enough for them to pay for all the other associated costs of providing said "procedures". The hospitals wouldn't allow it either.

[Spikey M]

It's honestly wild to me that anyone would be on the side of an American Health Insurance CEO. Even if the alternative is a murderer.

[randomlegend]

Don't forget the salary of the doctor who gives the medical opinion to approve the refusal.

Doctors working for insurance companies are obviously scum.

[randomlegend]

It's honestly wild to me that anyone would be on the side of an American Health Insurance CEO. Even if the alternative is a murderer.

Pepe is always championing the side of whoever the most odious entity in the discussion is.

Always strikes me as one of those ladder-pulling Priti Patel brand immigrants who hates any immigrants who came after he did.

[Pepe]

You are 'championing' a murderer, mate.

I just don't fall for 'wa wa this or that evil' as you do. Insurance, by its very essence, will always look nefarious. People can opt out of it if they prefer.

[niko_cee]

Obviously the provision of health services is a tricky subject, and not one that is easily reducible to simple answers.

That said, America, as a society, appears from the outside at least, to be built on a fairly Darwinian economic model. The people are driven to work hard and to achieve, lest they fall into the cracks of society. It appears to make them the richest/most productive people in the world, but there are trade offs. The lack of basic societal safety nets and readily available healthcare are eye-opening from a European perspective, but I equally think that most Americans enjoy a higher standard of living, earn more money, and have access to better healthcare than most Europeans, certainly most British people. They have built their society in that sort of hyper competitive way and whilst it does appear to be becoming ever more unequal that is the nature of the society that they have built, and ostensibly want.

To me it's like the gun thing. We think it's mad, they think it's totally normal and the great majority of Americans will never encounter a shooting, much like they probably won't encounter a problem with their health insurance. If changing to a European model makes them all poorer is that a good thing?

[Boydy]

Pepe used to be sound. He's gone really weird the past few years. He just seems like a cunt now.

But not even in a cunt in the consistent way that say Lewis is.

Yevrah thinks he's James O'Brien.

[randomlegend]

You are 'championing' a murderer, mate.

I just don't fall for 'wa wa this or that evil' as you do. Insurance, by its very essence, will always look nefarious. People can opt out of it if they prefer.

I'm not "championing" anyone.

I said this is an inevitable consequence of what is going on.

You gargling the balls of people like Trump and Health Insurance company execs at every opportunity you get and explaining how actually they are top lads is so fucking weird. They aren't going to be your friend, mate.

[Pepe]

You got it right niko and the answer is no, it's not a good thing.

Healthcare is a complicated beast. I would start with price transparency laws so that people can shop around. That would at least put some damper on the outrageous prices. It is crazy that I have to go for any service and not know how much it is going to cost me until a few months later. I also would prefer employer sponsored insurance to be less of a thing, but I think that I'm in a minority on that one.

[niko_cee]

Pepe used to be sound. He's gone really weird the past few years. He just seems like a cunt now.


To me he just seems to be speaking from his own lived experience within the American system, whereas we have a more default 'this is mental' jumping off point.

[Pepe]

Trump is laughably incompetent. Not sure when I've said otherwise. As for this CEO lad, who neither of us had ever heard of until a couple of days ago, I have never met him so I have no opinion on him. My current insurance is through United and it is a bit shit, but that is more of my company's fault for choosing said plan. The University's insurance was pretty good.

[randomlegend]

I have never met him so I have no opinion on him.

Christ.

[randomlegend]

Pepe used to be sound. He's gone really weird the past few years. He just seems like a cunt now.

But not even in a cunt in the consistent way that say Lewis is.

He just shares his opinions less often than Lewis. When he does they are consistently cunty.

[Pepe]

Is having an opinion because someone's title is CEO better than having no opinion based on the same information? Oh yes, you read one article on the company he works for. You know everything you need to know. Murder justified.

Cunty = disagrees with me

[-james-]

Wor Luigi does seem to have actually started a CONVERSATION on healthcare. Shouldn't he have waited a couple of months for the inauguration?

[Pepe]

My 'cunty' opinion here is 'being a CEO/rich doesn't make you inherently evil and doesn't justify you being murdered.' What an asshole I am.

[-james-]

He's going to be absolutely drowning in conjugal visits judging by the posts of my left leaning social media feeds.

[randomlegend]

My 'cunty' opinion here is 'being a CEO/rich doesn't make you inherently evil and doesn't justify you being murdered.' What an asshole I am.

Seething.

Being a CEO of a health insurance company which extracts profit by denying people healthcare makes you inherently evil.

Being a CEO of a mega-corporation in most cases is inherently evil to be honest, given most of them make their profits via exploitation in one sense or another.

[Yevrah]

Yevrah thinks he's James O'Brien.

:D

I mean...

[Pepe]

They also allow people to get healthcare they couldn't otherwise afford. I can opt out from paying for their service any time I want.

[Pepe]

Being a CEO of a mega-corporation in most cases is inherently evil to be honest, given most of them make their profits via exploitation in one sense or another.

This is the kind of childish statement that does piss me off.

[randomlegend]

They also allow people to get healthcare they couldn't otherwise afford.

"Allow people" :D

Yeah, because it makes them vast amounts of money, you moron. They made 16 billion dollars profit last year

[randomlegend]

This is the kind of childish statement that does piss me off.

It's true.

If you think you deserve to have a billion dollars then you're probably evil.

[Pepe]

And they earn so much money because millions of persons rather have their service than not have it. Again, no one is forced to buy it.

[niko_cee]

We'll just have to accept that all bosses (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9q4zvwldvo) are bad people.

[Shindig]

It honestly surprises me 8% of Americans are uninsured. I thought it would be bigger.

[Magic]

They also allow people to get healthcare they couldn't otherwise afford. I can opt out from paying for their service any time I want.

But why do they exist in the first place? That's the real problem.

Also how can people work for these corporations and not feel guilty? Looking at you, Nestle employees.

[Spikey M]

It honestly surprises me 8% of Americans are uninsured. I thought it would be bigger.

Probably a misleading stat. Not all coverage is equal. Even I have health insurance, but it extends to £200 of dentistry a year, a few prescriptions and a discounted gym membership.

[John Arne]

Pepe What's the alternative to "you don't have to have it". The next insurer may be too expensive, the next may not cover your pre-existing condition... Then you "choose" not too have any insurance and end up living in poverty because you had a $200,000 medical bill as you fell down the stairs and broke your leg. Genuine question, as you keep saying you aren't forced to have health insurance - but what's the trade off?

[Yevrah]

But why do they exist in the first place? That's the real problem.

Nail on head with this and also why shooting a CEO will do little to change that. People are greedy and (in the main) will be as greedy as a system allows them to be.

Thames Water here, for example, are taking the absolute piss and they should be held to account for that. I wouldn't extend holding them to account to include shooting their CEO mind.

[Yevrah]

Being a CEO of a mega-corporation in most cases is inherently evil to be honest, given most of them make their profits via exploitation in one sense or another.

Half of the stuff you own will have come from exploitation. Ok, so that makes you nowhere near as bad as a healthcare CEO, but in that case does a light beating suffice rather than a public execution?

[SvN]

Shoot? Please, we're British, not American barbarians. We'll either stab Chris Weston or throw acid in his face.

[randomlegend]

Half of the stuff you own will have come from exploitation. Ok, so that makes you nowhere near as bad as a healthcare CEO, but in that case does a light beating suffice rather than a public execution?

I never said they deserved to die.

I just said this is what will happen.

I don't believe in the death penalty full stop, nonetheless vigilante executions.

[niko_cee]

Thames Water here, for example, are taking the absolute piss and they should be held to account for that. I wouldn't extend holding them to account to include shooting their CEO mind.

That Severn Trent Water scam sounds a right doozy.

As is ever the case, shoot the accountants.

Then probably the lawyers.

[Danny]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czend1y0xjko