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[Spikey M]

Never been, I liked it.

[Bam]

I think you should, we really liked it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I had a nice hog roast roll in Edinburgh the other week.

Would recommend.

[Bam]

I went to Edinburgh at Christmas, they had a Christmas market with a big wheel. We really liked it.

[randomlegend]

Definitely not obsessed.

[Shindig]

Edinburgh is nice. The border towns are erm ... 'quaint' but have nowt else going on.

[phonics]

Another +1 for Edinburgh. Went at Christmas a few years back. Very nice.

[Pepe]

Enough of the place. What do you think of the people?

[Foe]

Edinburgh is great.
Glasgow just too busy and more party centric.
Inverness and the highlands great for scenery.
Avoid Perth/dundee/aberdeen.
Some cracking lochs in and around the mountains too. Loch Lomond or Aviemore loch morlich superb.

The borders is basically just farming/agriculture as far as I’m concerned without the beauty.

Visit Edinburgh, and head to Skye.

[Waffdon]

Enough of the place. What do you think of the people?

Full of foreigners hence why Spikey has never been

[Magic]

I love Edinburgh too. Hate Glasgow.

[Kikó]

I know some Scottish people. They're ok.

[Yevrah]

What. :D

You’re confusing the Brexit result with racism.

Europe is absolutely dripping with it.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/10/25/shocking-levels-of-racism-rising-in-europe-finds-report

[randomlegend]

I know some Scottish people. They're ok.

I know some racist people. They're Scottish.

[Yevrah]

And, for comparison to us, here's the FRA's report the last time the UK was included in 2018.

https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2019-being-black-in-the-eu-summary_en.pdf

And what's this on page 9..?

https://i.postimg.cc/w3YK731z/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Yeah, that's the UK bottom of the list, half as racist as France and Germany.

I'll accept an apology by PM if it hurts too much to do it publicly Magic.

[Pepe]

I mean the British flag is also responsible for oceans of blood so...

Your professors will love you.

[Spikey M]

And, for comparison to us, here's the FRA's report the last time the UK was included in 2018.

https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2019-being-black-in-the-eu-summary_en.pdf

And what's this on page 9..?

https://i.postimg.cc/w3YK731z/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Yeah, that's the UK bottom of the list, half as racist as France and Germany.

I'll accept an apology by PM if it hurts too much to do it publicly Magic.

Yeah, but Scotland is perfect. Their national racism is actually in the minus'. If England was on there alone it would be top, obviously.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, but England has actually got a lot more racist since 2018, whereas in Germany and France . . .

[Magic]

And, for comparison to us, here's the FRA's report the last time the UK was included in 2018.

https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2019-being-black-in-the-eu-summary_en.pdf

And what's this on page 9..?

https://i.postimg.cc/w3YK731z/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Yeah, that's the UK bottom of the list, half as racist as France and Germany.

I'll accept an apology by PM if it hurts too much to do it publicly Magic.

That's discrimination. We've got a lot of laws in place to prevent this. I'm on about general racism and I think you'll find nearly every cunt in England loves a bit of that.

[Magic]

Your professors will love you.

This has already been done m8

[Spikey M]

Personally I think there's too many swimming events.

[randomlegend]

Personally I think there's too many swimming events.

Racist.

[niko_cee]

Was in Brighton today. Never been in there whilst Pride has been on before. They really turn the gay up, somehow. No far right hate mobs sadly, although a small Asian woman told me Jesus loved me whilst I was stood in a shop, so she must have thought I looked like I needed salvation.

[Pepe]

Racist.

Classic imperialist.

[randomlegend]

I've just seen someone wave a British flag during the pommel horse and everyone around them died.

[Yevrah]

That's discrimination. We've got a lot of laws in place to prevent this. I'm on about general racism and I think you'll find nearly every cunt in England loves a bit of that.

Pathetic response, absolutely pathetic.

You laughed at me for saying that the UK is the least racist country in Europe, I gave you enough evidence to strongly suggest it is and you respond with that.

Pathetic.

[Magic]

Personally I think there's too many swimming events.

:D

[Dark Soldier]

I'm only racist against Scots and Scousers. The Irish are lovely. Never dealt with the Welsh cos they look like they need a shower.

[Waffdon]

Pathetic response, absolutely pathetic.

You laughed at me for saying that the UK is the least racist country in Europe, I gave you enough evidence to strongly suggest it is and you respond with that.

Pathetic.

Wales and Scotland*

[Magic]

Pathetic response, absolutely pathetic.

You laughed at me for saying that the UK is the least racist country in Europe, I gave you enough evidence to strongly suggest it is and you respond with that.

Pathetic.

No you gave me some legal comparison. Laws don't stop people being racist lol.

[Yevrah]

And if discrimination doesn't give an indication of the prevalence of racism in your utterly twisted World view, let's have a look at racial harassment:

https://i.postimg.cc/vTFxXFTz/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Yep, there's the UK, posting up there with European leading numbers again, at second best.

[Magic]

And if discrimination doesn't give an indication of the prevalence of racism in your utterly twisted World view, let's have a look at racial harassment:

https://i.postimg.cc/vTFxXFTz/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Yep, there's the UK, posting up there with European leading numbers again, at second best.

Show me Reform votes plz.

[Yevrah]

No you gave me some legal comparison. Laws don't stop people being racist lol.

I didn't give you a legal comparison, I gave you the results of a survey of black people across many countries in Europe. It's not whether a law had been broken, but whether they felt they had been discriminated against.

[Yevrah]

Show me Reform votes plz.

What, you'd like me to cherry pick a small sub-section of the population and compare that against the total responses of each country in that survey?

Are you genuinely for real?

[Magic]

I didn't give you a legal comparison, I gave you the results of a survey of black people across many countries in Europe. It's not whether a law had been broken, but whether they felt they had been discriminated against.

And if there's a law against discrimination presumably that means you're less likely to do it, yes?

[Magic]

What, you'd like me to cherry pick a small sub-section of the population and compare that against the total responses of each country in that survey?

Are you genuinely for real?

"Small" lol. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

[Yevrah]

"Small" lol. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

How many people are in the UK Magic?

[Yevrah]

And if there's a law against discrimination presumably that means you're less likely to do it, yes?

There's no law against you choosing not to give me a cigarette because I'm English.

[Magic]

"show me your racist riots"

[Yevrah]

I'm waiting Magic. UK population please.

[Magic]

There's no law against you choosing not to give me a cigarette because I'm English.

Do you understand why anti-discrimination legislation had to be brought in?

[randomlegend]

France nearly voted actual fascists into power and England is the "most racist" because 4m people voted for Reform.

Is that the roflcopter's blades I hear whirring up to speed...?

[Yevrah]

Do you understand why anti-discrimination legislation had to be brought in?

Of course, do you understand that a lot of Europe has it too?

Still waiting.

[randomlegend]

Do you understand why anti-discrimination legislation had to be brought in?

Yes, it's well known that laws are only required for things the majority of people would otherwise do.

[Magic]

France nearly voted actual fascists into power and England is the "most racist" because 4m people voted for Reform.

Is that the roflcopter's blades I hear whirring up to speed...?

And the grown up ones voted Tory. Of the voting population, plus ones that didn't vote. That's a lot of el racismo.

Also I won't be lectured by a small minded Norfolk farmer who gets his worldly experience from EU studies.

"I'm not racist, darkies pick my berries"

[randomlegend]

And the grown up ones voted Tory. Of the voting population, plus ones that didn't vote. That's a lot of el racismo.

Also I won't be lectured by a small minded Norfolk farmer who gets his worldly experience from EU studies.

"I'm not racist, darkies pick my berries"

Norfolk is more diverse than Scotland.

[Yevrah]

France nearly voted actual fascists into power and England is the "most racist" because 4m people voted for Reform.

Is that the roflcopter's blades I hear whirring up to speed...?

The reason I'm going so hard at this is that it genuinely saddens me that this idea the UK is a racist shit hole has been allowed to take such a firm hold and everybody responsible for it should be utterly ashamed of themselves. Sure, we're not perfect, we have our idiots and out-right racist scum bags, but we've improved hugely in my lifetime and as I've shown, we're much better than most of the rest of Europe and we should be proud of that while actively still trying to improve further, and not kicking ourselves down the stairs instead.

Magic is about two posts away from indisputably confirming himself as one of those absolute morons of the highest order who take an opinion into an argument that is thoroughly debunked yet still refuses to change his mind.

[Yevrah]

And the grown up ones voted Tory. Of the voting population, plus ones that didn't vote. That's a lot of el racismo.

Also I won't be lectured by a small minded Norfolk farmer who gets his worldly experience from EU studies.

"I'm not racist, darkies pick my berries"

Are you referring to me? If so, I get my Worldly views from you, know, living through it and having been born in Norfolk all those years ago I can absolutely tell you how much things have improved. "Trust me" isn't really an argument though, so I chose instead to use results from European wide surveys, which you choose to ignore.

Still waiting for the UK population.

[Magic]

In my experience, as an entitled white farmer, racism doesn't exist.

Ok.

[Yevrah]

In my experience, as an entitled white farmer, racism doesn't exist.

Ok.

Quite outstanding that those are your takeaways from my post(s).

Fuck it - I'll cut to the chase. What's actually happening here is that your hatred of the English, because, you're, you know, racist filth, is clouding your inability to accept any actual evidence put forward to the contrary of your argument.

Ironic isn't it.

[Magic]

Quite outstanding that those are your takeaways from my post(s).

Fuck it - I'll cut to the chase. What's actually happening here is that your hatred of the English, because, you're, you know, racist filth, is clouding your inability to accept any actual evidence put forward to the contrary of your argument.

Ironic isn't it.

I see. Tell me, who's country is on fire and rioting now?

[niko_cee]

Yours, the United Kingdom.

Pretty sure we established about 15 years ago on here that Scotland isn't a real country.

[Waffdon]

English people calling Scottish people obsessed with them will never not be funny. Nico and Jimmy hate our guts. :drool:

[Spikey M]

I see. Tell me, who's country is on fire and rioting now?

Because of a few hundred mongo's going town to town because they're bored and there's no football on at the moment.

[Yevrah]

I see. Tell me, who's country is on fire and rioting now?

We sadly have a very small minority of absolute racist morons who like smashing shit up and will invent any excuse to do justify doing so in their tiny little heads. The law should throw the absolute book at them, with any sentences commensurate with the racially aggrievated element of their offences.

The crucial point here is though, that these people are not some sort of representation of the UK as a whole, despite the high profile coverage they're getting.

[Waffdon]

Because of a few hundred mongo's going town to town because they're bored and there's no football on at the moment.

There’s underselling something and then there’s lies like this :lol:

[niko_cee]

English people calling Scottish people obsessed with them will never not be funny. Nico and Jimmy hate our guts. :drool:

50% jock right here.

I just like to poke fun. Magic is a retard.

[Waffdon]

I thought better of Liverpool (being scouse not English and all that) but looks like their city is littered with the mongs as well

[Magic]

We sadly have a very small minority of absolute racist morons who like smashing shit up and will invent any excuse to do justify doing so in their tiny little heads. The law should throw the absolute book at them, with any sentences commensurate with the racially aggrievated element of their offences.

The crucial point here is though, that these people are not some sort of representation of the UK as a whole, despite the high profile coverage they're getting.

Really? I think the general consensus is "it's about time" or "it's no surprise". You racist dogs.

[Yevrah]

How many people is it? I've genuinely no idea. Thousands at most though, surely.

[Waffdon]

50% jock right here.

I just like to poke fun. Magic is a retard.

I’m pretty sure he’s trolling with a lot of what he is saying and Yev and others keep nibbling

[Magic]

Yours, the United Kingdom.

Pretty sure we established about 15 years ago on here that Scotland isn't a real country.

Nope, there's no riots up here.

[niko_cee]

Did I read rightly that rock to the balls guy ended up getting ID'd and done for some sort of domestic abuse thing on the back of the video? Gift that keeps on giving.

[Yevrah]

Really? I think the general consensus is "it's about time" or "it's no surprise". You racist dogs.

The general consensus among 56 million people in England? Why on earth would you think that? Genuine question.

[Waffdon]

How many people is it? I've genuinely no idea. Thousands at most though, surely.

100,000 of Tommy and friends were marching through London last weekend. Get out country back!!

[Spikey M]

There’s underselling something and then there’s lies like this :lol:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sunderland-far-right-riots-edl-today-southport-b2590694.html

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2024/07/31/community-rallies-together-after-people-from-out-of-town-riot-in-southport/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/professional-rioters-seen-taking-taxis-33364090

[niko_cee]

10,000 sounds a bit like a Donald Trump rally headcount. Wasn't it a few hundred?

[Yevrah]

I’m pretty sure he’s trolling with a lot of what he is saying and Yev and others keep nibbling

I've never really bitten before, but among the lefty circles I move in a lot of them have similar views and I've decided to make a stand now. If England was a racist shit hole I'd be thoroughly ashamed, but no actual data suggests it is, or at least no worse than anywhere else and in the vast majority of cases a lot better.

Still, as I said above, more work to do.

[Yevrah]

100,000 of Tommy and friends were marching through London last weekend. Get out country back!!

Yeah, but 100,000 people weren't smashing London up, which is what I thought we were talking about.

It's also worth remembering that even if that 100,000 is correct, it's less than 0.2% of the population.

[Waffdon]

All down hill now, son. Get ready for civil war.

[Shindig]

To be honest, you can gauge the numbers going to these things by the shite amount of damage they did.

[Waffdon]

England is a properly racist country. Odds on where the next riots are? I’ll go with hull.

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[Spikey M]

Just fucking floor it.

Edit: as in drive the car fast. Not put the - I presume brown - driver on the floor.

Ah ffs. Far Right Spikey again.

[Lofty]

That looks like they've made improvements to Hull.

[Yevrah]

Sickening stuff.

I was watching a compilation video on the BBC. The police need to be wading in and bashing a few heads together now. You can't have them standing there while people smash the fuck out of shit.

[Gray Fox]

I thought better of Liverpool (being scouse not English and all that) but looks like their city is littered with the mongs as well

Seems some right wing lot tried their luck and a bunch of lefties turned up to tell them to fuck off and trouble followed.

We're probably the most left wing City in England and by some way, so I'd be surprised if it ever properly kicked off there.

[Yevrah]

I missed yet more anti-English sentiment in that post from Waff first time round.

It really is amazing how entrenched it all is in so many people in Scotland and how quickly him and Magic will take any opportunity to tar all English with the same brush. Anyone have a working hypocrisy detector? Mine is utterly fucked.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Which one is Lewis?

[randomlegend]

Which one is Lewis?

In an unfortunate case of mistaken identity, he was actually in the car in blackface.

[Magic]

Sickening stuff.

You're fooling nobody, Enoch.

[Yevrah]

You're fooling nobody, Enoch.

Why would you do that? Literally, what is wrong with you?

[Lewis]

The Gaffer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I5u-Vfvcio#t=3m25s). Right about everything.

[Baz]

Er, are there any riots in Norwich?

[Yevrah]

I'd be very surprised if there were. I'm not sure Partridge people have ever rioted about anything.

[randomlegend]

Er, are there any riots in Norwich?

Lol.

[niko_cee]

Liz Truss might be kicking off after being completely blanked by the tv horse racing guy.

[Shindig]

The Hull lot chanting STOP THE BOATS is daft. The majority would've flown in. Legally. The post-covid spike in net migration looks really mad on paper. Again, the protests look really, really pathetic. Hull gets a burnt out shed and a trashed Shoezone. Take that, illegals.

[Luke Emia]

I know some Scottish people. They're ok.

I know some Scottish people. Cunts.

[Yevrah]

I quite like Waff and Magic, even if they hate me on a genetic level.

[Waffdon]

I like English people.

CHELSEA CHELSEA CHELSEA

[Kikó]

The good news about these riots are the idiots are filming themselves in hd. Expect a few doors knocked in in a few days.

[Ben]

The good news about these riots are the idiots are filming themselves in hd. Expect a few doors knocked in in a few days.

When we moved house we sold our wardrobes. One of the wife’s work colleagues bought them off us and hired a (wo)man with a van to collect them. She turned up to ours with what I assumed is her younger brother, absolutely stinking of beer and her nose twitching like fuck. They broke the wardrobes in transit.

Anyway, there she was front and centre of quite a few videos in Sunderland the other night. Front door promptly kicked in yesterday morning.

[Luke Emia]

Er, are there any riots in Norwich?

Somewhat ironic in that probably not Norwich but the rest of the county is probably one of the most openly racist places in the country.

On the racism thing across Europe I think there are different issues around it. A lot of people from east of the old iron curtain are massively racist. The Eastern European woman who works in our office for example could think of nothing worse in her life than her son coming home with a black woman when he’s 18. I don’t think that the majority of the UK(England) is racist in that way anymore.

But there is a significant amount of the country who blame everything that goes wrong on foreigners and cannot differentiate that nearly 90% of those foreigners are allowed into the country by the visa rules of the government. You asked the average person on the street and I would guarantee they would think the number of people coming over on boats is a far higher proportion of immigrants than it is.

[Spikey M]

Somewhat ironic in that probably not Norwich but the rest of the county is probably one of the most openly racist places in the country.

On the racism thing across Europe I think there are different issues around it. A lot of people from east of the old iron curtain are massively racist. The Eastern European woman who works in our office for example could think of nothing worse in her life than her son coming home with a black woman when he’s 18. I don’t think that the majority of the UK(England) is racist in that way anymore.

But there is a significant amount of the country who blame everything that goes wrong on foreigners and cannot differentiate that nearly 90% of those foreigners are allowed into the country by the visa rules of the government. You asked the average person on the street and I would guarantee they would think the number of people coming over on boats is a far higher proportion of immigrants than it is.

Because that's what they've been told.

https://i.ibb.co/fkhGLyM/idxmkwks7za81.jpg

[Lofty]

I used to work with a Slovakian guy and he was rabidly anti-immigration :D

[Lewis]

A poll done at the beginning of the year showed that, not only did nine out of ten constituencies want lower immigration, but that people massively underestimates the amount of immigrants coming in even by legal routes. The average person thought that net migration was 70000, which is about ten per cent of the actual numbers. I think people tend to have no idea of the scale and cost of it.

[Pepe]

Truth is, even having actual numbers, it is hard to picture just how big/small of an impact it might have.

[Kikó]

A poll done at the beginning of the year showed that, not only did nine out of ten constituencies want lower immigration, but that people massively underestimates the amount of immigrants coming in even by legal routes. The average person thought that net migration was 70000, which is about ten per cent of the actual numbers. I think people tend to have no idea of the scale and cost of it.

What's the scale and cost of it then?

[Shindig]

When we moved house we sold our wardrobes. One of the wife’s work colleagues bought them off us and hired a (wo)man with a van to collect them. She turned up to ours with what I assumed is her younger brother, absolutely stinking of beer and her nose twitching like fuck. They broke the wardrobes in transit.

Anyway, there she was front and centre of quite a few videos in Sunderland the other night. Front door promptly kicked in yesterday morning.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQtKJbptcns

[Spikey M]

Like everything else in the world, there are pro's and cons to immigration, but the simple fact is that we NEED it. People aren't having enough kids and the sheer weight of all the Boomers becoming pensioners would be impossible for the native population to support.

Over the next 20 years our biggest age cohort (50 - 60 year olds) will retire. Most of them without adequate private pensions, and our current children (the smallest cohort until you get over 65) will be expected to replace them and that's quite simply not happening without immigration to top the numbers up.

So yeah, like it or lump it. Immigration is going to continue and will likely increase further. It's that or outright poverty.

[Pepe]

Would be a good time to have a system that attracts and maybe even actively seeks highly productive young professionals and rejects good for nothings. Maybe you already have such a system (doubt it), what do I know.

[Magic]

Would be a good time to have a system that attracts and maybe even actively seeks highly productive young professionals and rejects good for nothings. Maybe you already have such a system (doubt it), what do I know.

Unfortunately we need bottom of the line cleaners, carers etc.

[Lewis]

Like everything else in the world, there are pro's and cons to immigration, but the simple fact is that we NEED it. People aren't having enough kids and the sheer weight of all the Boomers becoming pensioners would be impossible for the native population to support.

Over the next 20 years our biggest age cohort (50 - 60 year olds) will retire. Most of them without adequate private pensions, and our current children (the smallest cohort until you get over 65) will be expected to replace them and that's quite simply not happening without immigration to top the numbers up.

So yeah, like it or lump it. Immigration is going to continue and will likely increase further. It's that or outright poverty.

About ten years ago UCL did a study that showed recent European immigrants making a small contribution to the economy, and third world immigrants being a massive, massive drain. This is reflected in every country that has bothered to collect the information, most notably Denmark (https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2493f09 a-071a-49b7-8693-2cfa795da391_575x608.png), which is wealthier than us to begin with. The information on contributions made by the same people here is widely available, and everything points to the negative purely in terms of direct economic transfers (before you factor in all of the other costs).

Half of the 700000 Bangladeshis in this country don't work, most of those that do are in low wage occupations, and half of them live in the most expensive city in the country. Whose pensions are they paying?

[Spikey M]

Yeah, I'm not sure the financial contribution of Asylum Seekers is the best way of looking at this.

And it may be that immigration won't work and we'll still be fucked by the retiring boomers. It's still what they're shooting for.

[Pepe]

Unfortunately we need bottom of the line cleaners, carers etc.

No, you (and everyone else) need talented people to develop your economy and generate growth.

[Pepe]

If 700000 Bangladeshis are moving into your country as asylees, then the asylum system needs to be revamped.

[Magic]

No, you (and everyone else) need talented people to develop your economy and generate growth.

No, we need less corporate greed and capitalism.

[Lewis]

They aren't illegals or asylum seekers. These are people welcomed here to pay our pensions.

There was a good example of this the other week in a story about care workers being ripped off (https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-100-migrants-face-being-in-uk-illegally-as-care-agency-is-stripped-of-ability-to-endorse-visas-13178490). Now that is obviously bad for him, but look at what the policy was doing before the government closed it off. In order to save the government paying a British person an extra three quid an hour, they will invite a Pakistani family of six over. How much to house and educate those four kids (probably got some inbreeding-related health issues in there as well)? The main 'breadwinner' is only twenty years off retirement as well, when he will get a pension, which his own contributions will not have paid for. It's like a Ponzi scheme except designed to deliberately lose money.

[Pepe]

That is a scammy/stupid system alright.

[Spikey M]

They're now setting fire to hotels housing migrants and barricading the doors in Rotherham. Get the fucking army on the streets for christ sake.

[randomlegend]

They should all get lengthy prison sentences for attempted murder if that's true. Fucking animals.

[Spikey M]

They should all get lengthy prison sentences for attempted murder if that's true. Fucking animals.

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[Magic]

Better get those surveys out again Yev. :harold:

[Giggles]

Do what needs to be done. it might not be nice but protect the future.

[Yevrah]

No, we need less corporate greed and capitalism.

This is the rub of it and the end game of this argument is much less immigration than we're currently seeing.

I, like many others, have been happy to go along with the "we need immigration to pay our pensions" line as it sort of makes sense, right? All young English people want to do is fuck around on Instagram so let's get some hard working foreigners in to do the legwork.

Then I bothered to look at the numbers and they are absolutely fucking insane, with businesses taking the complete piss. 2023 saw something in the region of 100,000 visas for care workers and 120,000 for their families. The businesses involved get to pay cheap wages and society pays for everything else. It's a morally bankrupt racket and it needs to stop.

It does present quite the quandry for the left. Do you want wage suppression and lots of immigration or fairer wages and a lot less immigration?

[Yevrah]

Better get those surveys out again Yev. :harold:

You do understand that a few hundred people aren't representative of 56 million right? Oh, you don't.

[randomlegend]

You do understand that a few hundred people aren't representative of 56 million right? Oh, you don't.

I think we've established beyond all reasonable doubt that no, he does not understand that.

[Magic]

You do understand that a few hundred people aren't representative of 56 million right? Oh, you don't.

So you understand 5000 blacks aren't representative of all non-white natives in Europe?

[Yevrah]

Do what needs to be done. it might not be nice but protect the future.

It doesn't even achieve that, as the discourse is all completely muddled. It is people taking the piss with capitalism (coupled with a system that facilitates said piss taking) that is driving these crazy numbers.

If these absolute cretins were setting fire to the drive of Mr Brithington-Smythe, due to his 68 care homes being full of exploited cheap foreign labour it would still be horrific, but at least much better directed.

[randomlegend]

So you understand 5000 blacks aren't representative of all non-white natives in Europe?

What are you even on about :D

[Yevrah]

So you understand 5000 blacks aren't representative of all non-white natives in Europe?

Jesus, you're now refusing to acknowledge how surveys work. Congratulations, you have reached the promised land of refusing to listen to actual facts if they don't suit your argument or narrative.

[Yevrah]

What are you even on about :D

I think he's talking about the surveys I posted. He may well have the number wrong, but I've reached the point with him where I don't care to check now as he's gone full Harold.

It's sad and what's sadder is that there are so many people outside of this little haven of the internet we have that are like that.

[Shindig]

Magic really wants to be put through another window.

[Magic]

Jesus, you're now refusing to acknowledge how surveys work. Congratulations, you have reached the promised land of refusing to listen to actual facts if they don't suit your argument or narrative.

Please, do go on.

[Yevrah]

Please, do go on.

It would be pointless to do so - you can't reason someone out of a position they haven't reasoned themselves into and very few of the words in your posts exhibit any sort of reasoning.

[Magic]

I see. So you're saying the experience/opinion/actions of a few is representative of the many?

Game, set and match.

[Pepe]

Oh dear :D

[randomlegend]

Jesus, you're now refusing to acknowledge how surveys work. Congratulations, you have reached the promised land of refusing to listen to actual facts if they don't suit your argument or narrative.

Now you know how I felt during covid.

[Magic]

Now you know how I felt during covid.

That directly affected you, though.

[Yevrah]

Now you know how I felt during covid.

For fear of bringing it all up again wasn't the issue during Covid that we didn't have many actual facts (due to the emerging nature of it) but what we did have was being treated as such and laws created/protestations made as a result.

I'm particularly thinking of the nadir during the whole South African variant debacle, where even Caprice was more right than the public facing voice of our scientists.

[randomlegend]

Let's just roll with the sentiment in the first half of your first sentence.

[Yevrah]

Let's just roll with the sentiment in the first half of your first sentence.

:D

Deal.

[randomlegend]

I wonder if Taz can smell anything yet the stupid cunt :D

[Luke Emia]

This is the rub of it and the end game of this argument is much less immigration than we're currently seeing.

I, like many others, have been happy to go along with the "we need immigration to pay our pensions" line as it sort of makes sense, right? All young English people want to do is fuck around on Instagram so let's get some hard working foreigners in to do the legwork.

Then I bothered to look at the numbers and they are absolutely fucking insane, with businesses taking the complete piss. 2023 saw something in the region of 100,000 visas for care workers and 120,000 for their families. The businesses involved get to pay cheap wages and society pays for everything else. It's a morally bankrupt racket and it needs to stop.

It does present quite the quandry for the left. Do you want wage suppression and lots of immigration or fairer wages and a lot less immigration?

I don’t think people on the left or more moderate people want unlimited migration though…

I’d happily see the UK taking 70k asylum seekers if they genuinely need help. We should then be processing their claims as quickly as possible and if they are entitled to stay here get them working. Than taking in the 700k migrants who come in legally and help business to keep wages low because they have lobbied the Tory government for the last 15 years.

[Dquincy]

Aaaaaah what a day! I've been in Sunderland and Rotherham. Taking A STAND against the enemy.

More tomorrow as well chaps...

[Dark Soldier]

Fucking state of the snowflake melty wax candle little soft arse cunt

https://content.invisioncic.com/Msigames/monthly_2024_08/Screenshot_20240804-200642.png.005a272d60f5e6853a73154fcb7b5221.png

[Jimmy Floyd]

Say what you like about Joseph Goebbels but he didn't whine about his kids' holiday being ruined when shit got real, he just killed them all instead. Far right hype men aren't what they used to be.

[Magic]

They were doing RACE ROADBLOCKS in Middlesbrough. :D

Wonder if they'll get the same punishments as Just Stop Oil?

[Yevrah]

Well yes, clearly they absolutely should.

[niko_cee]

Why are all these asylum hotels Holiday Inns? Is this another scam? Are the government paying those rates you see on the back of the door?

[Spikey M]

Should they? JSO atleast have good intentions, even if they are complete cunts.

[Lofty]

A lot of hotels claimed it was compulsory to take asylum seekers if the government instructed it but I don't doubt it was the usual fast track contract for friends bullshit.

[Yevrah]

The government will absolutely be paying for it whether they deem it compulsory or not though.

[Waffdon]

Radisson Blu bought over a hotel at Perth train station and it hasn’t opened to the public at all since the takeover. Just immigrants in there for well over a year. Must be getting paid a wad

[niko_cee]

Yeah, they'll be able to charge the whole thing out at 100% occupancy for 100% [probably more] price, and then employ virtually nobody to change the sheets once a month.

[Lewis]

It was costing eight million quid a day this time last year, but they have since flushed a few hotel guests out into the community, at which point the money starts to come out of a Different Pot so doesn't exist and the Home Office can claim to have saved money. Can't wait for my taxes to go up.

[Giggles]

That's the whole reason for all this, people are making an absolute fortune creaming off it.

[Kikó]

Everything in your brain is grifting.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

1819831046357012661

:lol:

[Baz]

YOU GET BACK! he shouts, while backing away from the policeman who just told him to get back.

[Shindig]

My counterpoint to the hotel stuff: Who the fuck stays in Rotherham or any of these towns? They don't have a booming tourist trade. How many people travel to Rotherham on business and actually stay a night?

If a hotel has a good handle on what their average occupancy is, they'll take asylum seekers to fill the rest of it. It's good business and you'll still have rooms to spare.

[Giggles]

Who the fuck is going to stay in a hotel that has asylum seekers in it?

[Shindig]

https://bdcmagazine.com/2024/07/travelodge-opens-first-hotel-in-rotherham/

That place will never be full. I guarantee it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I stayed in the Worksop Premier Inn three weeks ago and let me tell you, business is booming. Had to book early to get an evening meal in the Beefeater downstairs. Not many halal options there so the asylum seekers will have to seek elsewhere.

[Yevrah]

Loads of people stay in hotels on business, everywhere.

If you live in the midlands or the South and need to be at a meeting in Rotherham for 9am then for most people that'll mean a hotel the night before.

[Lofty]

Those hotels also host functions, one of the major complaints when this started was a lot of short notice wedding venue cancellations.

[Pepe]

Isn't the obvious problem with the hotels that your taxes are paying for thousands of people to stay in them? Who cares about whether they would be able to be fully booked otherwise. The company I just joined is paying for me to stay in a hotel for about a month, and with how much it costs them, I could rent an 8 bedroom McMansion.

[Kikó]

Do what needs to be done. it might not be nice but protect the future.

Protect the future by not having kids and murdering people in a hotel. 👍

[Pepe]

As for 'care workers' if you really need them that bad, you could do what the US used to do with farmers: Bring them in on a temporary permit, have them work for a few months/years and earn their money and then send them back. Allowing six people to move in permanently (with full benefits) so that one of them can work a low-wage job is just not economically prudent.

[Giggles]

Protect the future by not having kids and murdering people in a hotel. 

The only future that’s being built is for the people being brought in to replace us. Why would you subject a child to that?

[Jimmy Floyd]

As for 'care workers' if you really need them that bad, you could do what the US used to do with farmers: Bring them in on a temporary permit, have them work for a few months/years and earn their money and then send them back. Allowing six people to move in permanently (with full benefits) so that one of them can work a low-wage job is just not economically prudent.

Yeah but to do that you'd have to have a government which had any aims for the country whatsoever except to keep wages low.

Admittedly we've now changed government but the new lot will probably keep the same policy from a different angle.

[Kikó]

The only future that’s being built is for the people being brought in to replace us. Why would you subject a child to that?

You are a crank buddy.

[Giggles]

Spoken like the wealthy, who are the only ones given a platform to speak on things like this. I’ve seen small villages flooded with these cunts, trebling the population overnight with no facility for it. We’re being wiped out in the name of easy money for a small few people.

[Spikey M]

Spoken like the wealthy, who are the only ones given a platform to speak on things like this. I’ve seen small villages flooded with these cunts, trebling the population overnight with no facility for it. We’re being wiped out in the name of easy money for a small few people.

It's fascinating to me that you can see the untra-weatlthy are to blame for the fall in living standards, even if it is through the bullshit lens of tHe gReAt rEpLaCeMeNt, but your solution is to burn the migrants as if that would address the issue.

[Kikó]

I also am not sure what platform me as the supposed "wealthy" has. Twitter?

[Spikey M]

You're a major shareholder in 4D Pharmaceuticals lad. We see you.

[Dquincy]

I'd seriously hate to live in those places where twitter videos show a gaggle of Muslim folk dominating the streets. Similarly, I'd hate to be part of the far right protest, which seem to be mostly working class yobs.

In short, lock them all up and deport them.

[randomlegend]

Giggles swinging from apologising in the Olympics thread for being too harsh to saying he's onboard with immigrants getting burnt to death is amazing.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Similarly, I'd hate to be part of the far right protest, which seem to be mostly working class yobs.

Too late...

[Dquincy]

Too late...

But I'm quite wealthy, so don't really fit into that category.

Would you enjoy living in a Muslim dominated neighbourhood?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Wouldn't matter to me.

[Lewis]

Cypriot ancestors spinning in their graves.

[Giggles]

Giggles swinging from apologising in the Olympics thread for being too harsh to saying he's onboard with immigrants getting burnt to death is amazing.

What are you on about? Two things not even remotely related, that's some leap of a comparison to make you silly twat.

Nobody said they should be burned either. I wouldn't have them anywhere near getting in in the first place.

[Dquincy]

Wouldn't matter to me.

Absolute lies.

Like many things, people will put up with matters which they disagree with until it directly affects their day to day.

This is not me supporting the right wing mobs, but I also think people cast views on the matter who will be far remote from the issues at hand.

[randomlegend]

What are you on about? Two things not even remotely related, that's some leap of a comparison to make you silly twat.

Nobody said they should be burned either. I wouldn't have them anywhere near getting in in the first place.

I didn't say they were related, it was just a funny contrast.

[Giggles]

Absolute lies.

Like many things, people will put up with matters which they disagree with until it directly affects their day to day.

This is not me supporting the right wing mobs, but I also think people cast views on the matter who will be far remote from the issues at hand.

That's one of the main problems with all this. If you're not completely on board with letting them run amok then you're immediately FAR RIGHT. The news reporting of the whole wider issue is an absolute discgrace and all the proof anyone needs that the whole purpose of all this is creaming off it.

[Manc]

Obsessed with creaming.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Absolute lies.

Like many things, people will put up with matters which they disagree with until it directly affects their day to day.

This is not me supporting the right wing mobs, but I also think people cast views on the matter who will be far remote from the issues at hand.

Why would I care if my neighbourhood is mostly Muslim?

Do I care if it's mostly Christian/Atheist/Hindu/Buddhist etc etc? No.

[Spikey M]

When I lived in Southend we had a Mosque at the top of our road. Every year, on Eid the utter bastards would turn up in a mob and go door to door with sweets, colouring books and toys for the local kids. They then had the absolute cheek to host a foodbank every Friday.

[Luke Emia]

Why would I care if my neighbourhood is mostly Muslim?

Do I care if it's mostly Christian/Atheist/Hindu/Buddhist etc etc? No.

Yeah I couldn’t give a shit who lives in my area as long as they aren’t cunts. Can be brown, black, yellow, white, gammon, pink it doesn’t matter just don’t be a cunt and we will get on fine.

I’d be more concerned about living in a town full of skagheads and drunks than I would anything else.

[Luke Emia]

When I lived in Southend we had a Mosque at the top of our road. Every year, on Eid the utter bastards would turn up in a mob and go door to door with sweets, colouring books and toys for the local kids. They then had the absolute cheek to host a foodbank every Friday.

Absolute bastards.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah I couldn’t give a shit who lives in my area as long as they aren’t cunts. Can be brown, black, yellow, white, gammon, pink it doesn’t matter just don’t be a cunt and we will get on fine.

I’d be more concerned about living in a town full of skagheads and drunks than I would anything else.

Exactly, as long as you're not a twat we're good.

Most of the cunts I've met in life are white.

[Manc]

Some of my best friends are Muslim.

[Lewis]

Seriously, didn't your family flee communal violence in Cyprus?

[Magic]

Exactly, as long as you're not a twat we're good.

Most of the cunts I've met in life are white.

I won't believe it until I see a survey.

[niko_cee]

Helicopter's circling overhead. Are the people of West Sussex revolting?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Seriously, didn't your family flee communal violence in Cyprus?

They had to flee Famagusta because of the Turkish invasion, yes.

It happened in 1974, so 50 years ago.

I don't see why that would have an impact on me and my views.

Should I hate ALL Turkish people and ALL Muslims because of it?

[Lewis]

They had to flee Famagusta because of the Turkish invasion, yes.

It happened in 1974, so 50 years ago.

I don't see why that would have an impact on me and my views.

Should I hate ALL Turkish people and ALL Muslims because of it?

No, but it ought to give you some appreciation as to why multiculturalism leads to communalism and violence in pretty much every place and time ever. Why didn't 'as long as you're not a twat we're good' work in Cyprus? They must have just all been twats for some reason.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

There will be violence in pretty much every place regardless of the breakdown of the culture.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The reason Muslims vs others is a problem is that Muslims don't agree with you about the 'as long as you're not a cunt' approach to life, they think that only the Muslim world can/should exist and that everything that exists outside of it is an aberration. Amazingly they even think this when mosques are baking cakes for the local community and holding garden parties for the coronation.

Christians can be nuts but they don't have tawhid and that is the key difference.

[Shindig]

I do wonder if Islam will become diluted in the way Christianity has over time. I'll probably not live to see that.

[randomlegend]

The reason Muslims vs others is a problem is that Muslims don't agree with you about the 'as long as you're not a cunt' approach to life, they think that only the Muslim world can/should exist and that everything that exists outside of it is an aberration. Amazingly they even think this when mosques are baking cakes for the local community and holding garden parties for the coronation.

Christians can be nuts but they don't have tawhid and that is the key difference.

Christians think everyone who isn't them is going to burn in hell for eternity. I'm not sure that's any better.

[Magic]

Zionism anyone...?

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's vastly better in practice.

[Magic]

Also the Serbs think they're God's chosen people too lol. Get us back to tribes.

[Pepe]

I do wonder if Islam will become diluted in the way Christianity has over time.

It already has. Look at the young Saudi royals trying to be all cool with the westerners. As with everything, the rich become more like the rich everywhere else. Issue is when you have to deal with the plebs.

[Pepe]

Also the Serbs think they're God's chosen people too lol. Get us back to tribes.

TTH tribe. :cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Nationalism is the opposite of what Muslims think. Nationalism is about promoting the sovereignty of your ethnic group over its specific homeland, actual or desired. Hence you have Scottish nationalism, Jewish nationalism, Hindu nationalism, and so on as well as the nationalisms of actual nation states.

Islam holds only the oneness of God. Many Muslims view the nation state setup of having Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Jordan and Syria and so on as nation states as an ahistorical imposition caused by Western imperialism where in fact there should be ummah under a caliph or similar. This is also why (for example) no matter what some of them may say, they absolutely reject Israel's right to exist and always will do, which is one of the chief causes of the issues there.

It's also why 'British Muslims' will absolutely always be Muslims first and British only when it is convenient for them as a secondary measure. Not true of Christians or any other religion.

[Lofty]

Christians think everyone who isn't them is going to burn in hell for eternity. I'm not sure that's any better.

Yeah but you can draw God or Jesus for laughs and no-one cares. Do that with Mohammed and you're risking a petrol bomb through your window whilst you sleep.

I didn't realise Elon was giving it large to Starmer by the way, go and finish your hyperloop you pasty bellwhiff.

[Shindig]

He's also still seething over his son transitioning.

[Magic]

Loving the Muslim riots now. Let's go boiiissss. :drool:

[Giggles]

Loving the Muslim riots now. Let's go boiiissss. :drool:

And everyone breaking their necks to not report on it.

[Kikó]

Except the ones that are that is.

[Giggles]

Someone on Sky must have been hammering the big red button yesterday to cut off a report when the armed muzzers were arriving on the scene. Can't have the public seeing things like that.

[Magic]

Someone on Sky must have been hammering the big red button yesterday to cut off a report when the armed muzzers were arriving on the scene. Can't have the public seeing things like that.

:D

The guy was profaning like a mother.

[Shindig]

Durham’s turn tonight. :uhoh:

[Magic]

Durham’s turn tonight. :uhoh:

Ah fuck, really? Such a great little place too.

[Lofty]

'I just make memes'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77llj41mxjo.amp

[Jimmy Floyd]

He just means that Adrian Durham is joining the rioters.

[Spikey M]

'I just make memes'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77llj41mxjo.amp

He was another local celebrity - yes, they're all dodgy - going by Man Behaving Dadly or something like that. He could be found standing around looking smug at every local event for a few years. It hadn't occurred to me that he had dissappeared, but lol at him anyway.

[Lofty]

Not mentioned in the article but he kept doing smug gofundme campaigns for charity, we're talking 3 or 4 on the go at the same time, but he flew too close to the sun when he tried to do one for the sub postmasters on the back of the Horizon scandal and was challenged about setting up without their consent, when they already had a campaign, and shat his undies so badly he deleted his Twitter never to return :D

[Raoul Duke]

The scam will come out when they track down the bird who authorised the payments. Nailed on that he's having an affair with her or something

[Lewis]

'I just make memes'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77llj41mxjo.amp


Mr Harris, who describes himself as a social media content creator, told the BBC he was first approached in 2018 by Kirsty O’Callaghan, the then head of strengthening communities, over doing work for the authority to improve its engagement online.

That manages to cover a lot of where the country has gone wrong.

[Spikey M]

That manages to cover a lot of where the country has gone wrong.

He's exactly the type you'd expect them to hire for it too. A middle class twerp, virtue signalling to Facebook Mums, regularly getting it wrong and having to apologise for doing so. Geezer has never had an original or independent thought in his life.

[Dquincy]

When I lived in Southend we had a Mosque at the top of our road. Every year, on Eid the utter bastards would turn up in a mob and go door to door with sweets, colouring books and toys for the local kids. They then had the absolute cheek to host a foodbank every Friday.
In this scenario and geographical location, the Muslim community is the minority. This is not comparable to the scenario I was talking about.

Multi faith society is clearly unavoidable and beneficial, in most circumstances. But it is important to ensure they remain a minority in comparison to the heritage (and majority) faith of that county. Otherwise you get shit like this happening.

[Dquincy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ejjxv3qeqo

Getting eaten by a croc must be a shitty way to go.

[Dquincy]

Water firms to be punished for years of sewage leaks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ypp032le0o

It's good that they are finally starting to be held accountable, but bad they probably will just up customer bills to pay for the fines.

In summary, nothing will change.

[Shindig]

Nowt happened in Durham. People got told to disperse. One 15 year old got arrested. :D

[Magic]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13715181/one-three-brits-protests-seven-percent-support-violent-riots.html
Yevrah

:harold:

[Yevrah]

75% of people strongly oppose the unrest and a further 10% somewhat oppose it. Thanks for providing further evidence that Britain is not a racist country*.

*EDIT: No more racist than anywhere else. Which let's not forget is what we started arguing about in the first place.

[Yevrah]

You did read past the headline and understand how low one in 14 people is right?

[Lewis]

1820881508413899082

'We asked the Muslims if they were going to behave whilst we policed the English people...'

[Yevrah]

Am I missing something? I haven't seen much evidence of the 'English' people being policed?

[Yevrah]

Stand there, let it happen and review camera footage to make arrests afterwards seems to have been the approach since this kicked off.

[Lewis]

He is saying that they discussed their policing beforehand with 'our communities' (Muslims) who informed them that there was nothing to worry about and could police themselves, and then some of them turned up with weapons and masks and caused trouble, which they weren't around to do anything about as it was happening. Do they do that with any other groups?

[Yevrah]

Oh, so the police didn't even show up? Ok, that is problematic.

[Lofty]

He is saying that they discussed their policing beforehand with 'our communities' (Muslims) who informed them that there was nothing to worry about and could police themselves, and then some of them turned up with weapons and masks and caused trouble, which they weren't around to do anything about as it was happening. Do they do that with any other groups?

Almost like their resources had been tied up by the noble freedumb fighturs

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn47798gxx4o

Elon Musk's X/Twitter is suing a group of major companies, alleging that they unlawfully conspired to boycott the site.

It accuses the food giants Unilever and Mars, private healthcare company CVS Health, and renewable energy firm Orsted - along with a trade association called the World Federation of Advertisers (WFA) - of depriving it of "billions of dollars" in advertising revenue.

:harold:

[Spikey M]

He's just a text book example of a thick cunt surrounded by brilliant people.

[Lofty]

He literally is the most pathetic rich guy ever. The Lotto Lout makes Musk look like fucking Craig from Corrie.

[Yevrah]

He really isn't, he's clearly very bright, albeit with a penchant for winding people up. I don't know why he's doing that (maybe it can be filed under winding people up), but then my knowledge of high stakes corporate law suits and the reasoning behind them would fill a postage stamp.

[Dark Soldier]

Nah mate he's a fucking weird thick cunt.

[-james-]

I can't imagine it's possible to be someone like Elon Musk without being quite fucking weird and a bit of a megalomaniac. No thick cunt is coming up with SpaceX and Neuralink and putting them into action successfully.

[Dark Soldier]

"Hi guys I have 500 billion and I want robot people and boomerang rockets here's the money I'm gonna be racist on Twitter" - not hard really.

[Lofty]

Yeah don't overestimate the power of being rich and paying engineers to work it out for you.

[Spikey M]

I can't imagine it's possible to be someone like Elon Musk without being quite fucking weird and a bit of a megalomaniac. No thick cunt is coming up with SpaceX and Neuralink and putting them into action successfully.

He's Steve Jobs. He owns all the cool shit, but he doesn't actually make any of it. He dreams it up and chucks money at the brilliant people around him to make it happen.

He has a fuck tonne of luck chucked in too, because I would fully back him to bankrupt himself if one of his ideas was unworkable.

[phonics]

I can't imagine it's possible to be someone like Elon Musk without being quite fucking weird and a bit of a megalomaniac. No thick cunt is coming up with SpaceX and Neuralink and putting them into action successfully.

He didn't come up with SpaceX or Tesla, he just bought them.

[Yevrah]

He's Steve Jobs. He owns all the cool shit, but he doesn't actually make any of it. He dreams it up and chucks money at the brilliant people around him to make it happen.

Well that makes him smart and good at what he does. It's a skill in and of itself to suss out who the right people are and just chucking money at people isn't enough to guarantee that.

Is it a jealously thing? In that it makes people feel much more comfortable about their own inadequacies if they can, in their own minds, badge it all as luck.

[-james-]

He invested in Tesla 20 years ago and now they're fucking everywhere. Obviously luck plays a part but in business terms he's done pretty well I think.

I think my main point is he's a billionaire who's into space exploration, electric cars and cyborgs. Let him cook imo.

[Yevrah]

And give me someone's political leaning and I can almost guarantee you what they think of Musk before I've even asked the question, which is also odd.

[wullie]

He would have had people thinking he was Tony Stark if only he'd shut the fuck up about woke mind viruses or didn't make a Twitter AI thing just to tell people he's funny.

[Dark Soldier]

Is it a jealously thing? In that it makes people feel much more comfortable about their own inadequacies if they can, in their own minds, badge it all as luck.

No, he's just a monumental bell who needs his own community notes team to check his own fucking posts, and literally asks them in tweets. Dude is incapable of checking if something is factual or having a single original idea before blurting it out to millions. I used to actually like the dude, found him a decent laugh but fuck me man money + company does not equal intelligence. He's an absolute fucking simpleton. Chuck enough dollar at anything when you've basically an unlimited supply and it'll kick into place. He's great at marketing however, crypto bros absolute slurp him dry. His own fucking daughter despises him.

By your logic hate/critique of any wealthy or successful person is jealousy and even you know that's fucking stupid lad.

[phonics]

He is if Reddit is a human being. He's always been cringe as fuck.

[Spikey M]

Well that makes him smart and good at what he does. It's a skill in and of itself to suss out who the right people are and just chucking money at people isn't enough to guarantee that.

Is it a jealously thing? In that it makes people feel much more comfortable about their own inadequacies if they can, in their own minds, badge it all as luck.

Jealous? Absolutely, but no, that's not what it is. He is one of many Billionaires, and while I'm sure most of them are horrible people that the world would be better without, I don't think Bezos, Buffett and Gates are where they are because of luck.

If you gave me £10 million I couldn't do what any of them have done. Could I do what Musk has done? I could try. It probably wouldn't work, and I'd likely end up with nothing. Because that's what happens with most start ups / takeovers and that's where his luck comes in. He's not the first rich man to tell a bunch of scientists to make something happen and throw cash at them while basically having no idea what's going on.

[randomlegend]

All the accounts of Musk from people who've worked for him are that he's a genuine retard. Hence absolute trash like the Cyber Truck.

[-james-]

I don't know about Buffett, but if I were to guess then I suspect Bezos and Gates owe a lot to being in the right place at the right time.

[Dark Soldier]

Gates mainly owes it to fucking a lot of people over, well known they used to offer to buy out smaller competitors and if it wasn't accepted they got turned over, if it was accepted they just killed whatever tech on the spot.

But every cunt with a few mil or more has completely fucked others along the way. Hence why most are sociopaths.

[-james-]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think if you're pro space exploration you have to be pro Musk. How many other billionaires are doing anything this interesting?



To specifically address the point of view of an aerospace engineering student, I’d like to share my experience as an aerospace engineering post StarshipOne and prior to SpaceX. Should shed some light on why Elon and Space X are seen as a big deal.

In that time period, the only major rocket builder in the USA was United Launch Alliance, making and operating the Atlas and Delta series. The ESA was launching Ariane series rockets, the Russians Proton series and the Chinese the Long March series. The other American big platform was discontinued, the Titan series, and NASA was going nowhere with a replacement for the Shuttle.

America had no launch programs carrying humans. The Ariane 5 was human launch capable but they’d never built a capsule. The Chinese are a black box for American engineering R&D because of their National security apparatus. So we were relying on ancient Soyuz tech to launch all manned missions.

If your were a space-focused AE student, you had limited options: work for a classified agency on classified payloads, build communications satellites, build launch vehicles for ULA, or work on hypothetical projects for NASA. Nobody took SpaceShipOne and space tourism seriously, given that it felt like a one-off for billionaire fame. SpaceShipTwo had been unveiled but hadn’t even undergone a powered test flight.

That was a bleak time to be getting into space stuff as an AE student. I got out precisely because the career opportunities weren’t interesting.

Then Space X, which most people had thought was another vanity project, got the contract for ISS resupply. They went from “oh hey maybe a little satellite launch program by a rich person” to “this is the legitimate future of commercial space flight” very quickly. December 2010 they orbit a Dragon capsule, the first orbit and recovery by a commercial company. Cool. But by May 2012, less than 18 months later, they were docking with ISS.

That suddenly thrust competition back into the US launch marketplace. You didn’t have to work for ULA on iterative improvements to a proven design. You could go to SpaceX and do interesting work on new and novel rockets and rocket concepts.

The balanced retro-thrust return was a huge deal because it was new and exciting. This was new, challenging tech that their engineers got to work (mostly). They’re launching ISS crews from America again, for the first time since the shuttle. They’re launching hundreds of new, novel satellites in a huge constellation (though the designs started a bit meh and are ass for ground-based telescopes, which the rocketry space nerds do not like because we stick with the astronomy type space nerds). They launched a car for a vanity project. They want to start sending people to the Moon and Mars.

And behind it all was Elon Musk, a very public figure. He was the man that made being an aerospace engineer with a focus on space fun and exciting again. He brought space launches back into the public psyche.

My school years in the 2000s had seen newspapers and magazines filled with think pieces about whether the age of manned space flight would end with the end of ISS. ISS was too expensive, the discoveries were too small, the budgets were too big. Let ISS die when funding ran out and stop sending up any astronauts, they’d argue.

But after I got out of AE for being utterly boring, Elon made it exciting again. And that was huge. Heck, I personally regretted a decision to move out of aerospace engineering and into more biological focused pursuits.

Elon certainly has flaws, but he was the standard bearer of the sea change of space flight. He’s both a driving force for a focus on space science and space engineering as a funder as well as the public figurehead of the push for the same.

(And FYI, if you don’t believe me, believe the AIAA. in the early 2000s the AIAA was actually facing a crisis for the future - their projections of numbers of new aerospace engineers weren’t meeting the projections of the numbers needed between replacing retiring existing members and expected needs to continue to meet targets. They needed young people to get excited about aerospace, so they started some big promotions for students to try to get them interested. They wanted a new generation of motivated engineers like they had gotten out of kids that looked at Apollo or the Shuttle and went “whoa, I want to do that!” And then followed through. But without an exciting new program for decades and none in the pipeline, it was bleak. For all some of the member companies of the AIAA might not like SpaceX (since they compete for contracts), Elon and SpaceX have basically solved the problem of finding and encouraging motivated new aerospace engineers.)

[Dark Soldier]

I don't think anyone is saying the work being done is bad - its more the person doing said work is a cunt. They're different things.

Hell, see the Nazis. Post war and the experiments their scientists were leaders in their fields.

[phonics]

He is if Reddit is a human being. He's always been cringe as fuck.

James citing a reddit post on why he's good actually was the perfect followup.