News of the day

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

"However, independent MP Iqbal Mohamed argued a ban would be ineffective"

Mate...

[Spikey M]

How is it legal in the first place? That's mental.

[Pepe]

"However, independent MP Iqbal Mohamed argued a ban would be ineffective"

Mate...

:lol:

Watch him be married to his cousin.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Clever stuff from the MP concerned has duly winkled out a 'We have no plans to ban cousin marriage' from our government, always on message as they are.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How is it legal in the first place? That's mental.

Absolutely rife in the Pakistani community.

[Lewis]

The NHS ponied up three billion pounds in negligence settlements last year (and probably spent the same again on investigations and legal fees). It seems almost certain that it would have been cheaper to just allow the injured parties a free shot at the evil-doers responsible and import their replacement. One for the Badenoch manifesto.

[Lofty]

Didnt the beast from the chase marry his cousin?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Second cousin.

They've split now so family dinners must be so painful.

[Magic]

Yeah all those second cousins you always have at family dinners.

[Ben]

Israel have completely wiped out the Syrian Navy, whatever that was at this point.

[Lewis]

They must have received reports of kids playing on them.

[niko_cee]

Doesn't all this mad lad behaviour from Israel sort of add up to the crime of aggression? Not that they would care, but you can't really use the idea of a transition of power to mean that the country undergoing the transition essentially ceases to be a country, can you?

[Magic]

They just don't want it to fall in to the hands of Islamist lunatics. Fair enough, I say.

[Lewis]

Which makes you wonder why they spent thirteen years trying to hand the entire country over to them.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, I'm not sure Israel are wrong on this one. ISIS II: Electric Caliphate are unlikely to be a friendly neighbour, and you don't really want them having access to planes, ships, missiles etc.

[Magic]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7vvj8gymyo

The excuses here are quite something.

[Shindig]

As are the quotes from the accused's wives and (ex) girlfriends.

[niko_cee]

It's all gold.


"They were put in a situation where they were scammed," Christophe Bruschi, Joseph C's lawyer, told the BBC. "They were taken for a ride."

Someone's having a laugh in the translation department.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

But there is one factor all the defendants indisputably have in common: they all made the conscious choice not to go to the police.

Firefighter Jacques C, 73, said he had considered it but "then life just carried on", while electrician Patrice N, 55, said he "didn't want to waste the whole day at the police station".

Patrice is a very busy man.

[John Arne]

Electrician Patrice N, 55, said he "I didn't want get charged", as he lol'd at the journalist.

[Manc]

Some year France is having.

[phonics]

Josh Shapiro telling people how proud he is that PA was the people that caught the man that5 unleashed violence on a healthcare CEO and also being the guy that did a press run where he signed bombs that would go destroy other people. Kill them all.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gpz163vg2o

Who is taking him seriously anyway?

[Yevrah]

Fair play to the Beeb for outing him. His podcast is a disgrace.

[Yevrah]

And lots of people take him seriously.

[Spikey M]

I went through a stint of watching his podcast on YouTube and there really was a big change. He went from asking the CEO's of successful start ups about their journeys to interviewing wackos about why the government is hiding microchips in our porridge without skipping a beat.

[Magic]

And lots of people take him seriously.

Lots? Almost everyone. This is why we always get it wrong on the internet. Everyone is a total and utter moron.

[Yevrah]

Lots? Almost everyone. This is why we always get it wrong on the internet. Everyone is a total and utter moron.

Pipe down chunderbus. My point was against Lofty’s incorrect take.

[Magic]

Pipe down chunderbus. My point was against Lofty’s incorrect take.

I was agreeing with you.

[phonics]

Lots? Almost everyone. This is why we always get it wrong on the internet. Everyone is a total and utter moron.

Alright, Bovid.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I went through a stint of watching his podcast on YouTube and there really was a big change. He went from asking the CEO's of successful start ups about their journeys to interviewing wackos about why the government is hiding microchips in our porridge without skipping a beat.

The latter must be so easy to monetise, or else why are they all doing it.

[Kikó]

Look at how rich Joe Rogan is. Everyone wants part of the pie.

[Yevrah]

The latter must be so easy to monetise, or else why are they all doing it.

It's absolutely why they all do it. Enough people absolutely lap it up and as long as you have an established brand yourself you can get any old grifter on and people will happily listen to them spout their crap unchallenged.

[Yevrah]

Look at how rich Joe Rogan is. Everyone wants part of the pie.

I've probably watched about as much Rogan as Bartlett and I'd say the latter is far more dangerous. That the whole thing is masquerading as IN BUSINESS wank and his ties with the BBC automatically gives it a type of authority that Rogan still doesn't have.

[Magic]

I mean if it unburdens the NHS then I'm all for it
Go ahead, treat your cancer with salad. :drool:

In fact if you had eaten more salad you wouldn't have had cancer in the first place you fat cunt.

[Spikey M]

I mean if it unburdens the NHS then I'm all for it
Go ahead, treat your cancer with salad. :drool:

In fact if you had eaten more salad you wouldn't have had cancer in the first place you fat cunt.

Funny enough, the last one I watched was him interviewing someone on the benefits of Fasting and it was all pretty vanilla: "your brain works better in ketosis", "your muscles want fat. Not carbs" and blah blah blah, then he said that "fasting succeeds where chemotherapy fails. It's the best treatment for cancer".

At that point, you're really not far from causing some poor cunt to starve themselves / their sick loved one to death.

It's a shame, because he is a good interviewer and his stuff was legitimately enjoyable, but his monthly views have gone from 9 million to 50 million over the last year, so what do I know?

[phonics]

Someone pointed it out to me and now I can't stop noticing it that every time they have a clippable moment on The Overlap Neville starts reaching for his Huel bottle or asking where it is. It's mental.

[Ben]

I must live under an actual rock. I’ve genuinely never heard of this Bartlett chap.

[phonics]

I am only tangentially aware of him as one of those WORLD CLASS BASICS LinkedIn weirdos.

[Yevrah]

I must live under an actual rock. I’ve genuinely never heard of this Bartlett chap.

His Youtube channel has been grifting for a while now but presumably the BBC's ever growing reputation for shielding utter wrong uns' and on the back of the Gregg Wallace stuff has made them go on the front foot.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think what's happening with a lot of media outlets (talking UK really here) at the moment is that they start off doing their thing, the thing is good and it becomes popular, they start to attract a small American audience on top of their domestic one. Then they realise that the US market is 10x bigger than ours and everything starts being aimed at that. It's like a linguistic curse that turns anything remotely good that comes from this country into a watered down shambles.

We should all learn Welsh.

[wullie]

Steven Bartlett getting in the shit opens the field wide open for Jake Humprhrey to reclaim his rightful crown.

[-james-]

I haven't really listened to his stuff but I reckon Steven Bartlett is less of a grifter than the weapons he interviews. I reckon he's more naiveté, poor journalism with a sprinkling of grift.

The problem with these Joe Rogan clones is that you can't really have the requisite knowledge to push back on the million different flavours of influencer you have on. It's like trying to counter an argument your favourite boomer parrots off a video that came up on their Facebook.

These people usually have about three key points that they milk for an eternity). Dr. Mike is a good one. He has some good stuff on exercise science but seems to be talking increasingly more shite in small podcast sound bites. The problem of course is that raking it in on YouTube is the dream gig in 2024 and you can only do that if you have something provocative to say all the time. Click economy.

[Kikó]

What's Dr Mike said?

[-james-]

What's Dr Mike said?

I went looking for it and it turns out he has an entire channel for generic libertarian dad stuff. Grim.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Stage 1: burst onto the scene
Stage 2: produce some good shit
Stage 3: start making money from the good shit
Stage 4: change your content to focus on maximising the money, with the result that it is no longer (as) good
Stage 5: get tired/cancelled but squeeze every last drop out of it unrepentently until you die

The five stages of the content creator. My fullest respect to people who book bed and breakfast at stage 2 or 3 and don't get sucked to 4.

[Kikó]

I went looking for it and it turns out he has an entire channel for generic libertarian dad stuff. Grim.

Is that his personal channel? I've never bothered with that but it doesn't suprise me.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ygejxej28o

A former Manchester City footballer has been appointed president by Georgia's disputed parliament, after 17 days of pro-EU protests that have swept this country's towns and cities.

Mikheil Kavelashvili, now 53, is a former MP from the increasingly authoritarian ruling Georgian Dream party and was the only candidate for the job.

On Saturday, 224 out of 225 members of Georgia's electoral college voted for him.

lol?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Stage 1: burst onto the scene
Stage 2: produce some good shit
Stage 3: start making money from the good shit
Stage 4: change your content to focus on maximising the money, with the result that it is no longer (as) good
Stage 5: get tired/cancelled but squeeze every last drop out of it unrepentently until you die

The five stages of the content creator. My fullest respect to people who book bed and breakfast at stage 2 or 3 and don't get sucked to 4.

Stage 3

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14188973/Cole-Palmer-launches-bid-trademark-shivering-celebration-Chelsea-star-looks-cash-Cold-Palmer-nickname.html

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgr9v1ppglo

Facebook mums strike again:


One parent told the newspaper: "I don't know how it can be undone, but I think it's absolutely disgusting.

"I don't want him anywhere near my daughter. I hope he never comes into the school again."

A grip, madam! Get one!

[wullie]

The authorities should be focusing on the parents of these 11 year olds who still think Santa is real.

[Baz]

Some lad said something to make my daughter doubt. Thankfully he once told her she can’t whistle (jealous scrote) and she’s a better whistler than me or her mum, so ‘don’t listen to Jack, he tells lies’ has got a lot of mileage.

They’re 7, wullie, don’t @ me.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgr9v1ppglo

Facebook mums strike again:



A grip, madam! Get one!


her daughter reckoned the vicar was mistaken and had "lost the plot"

:cool:

Kids know the score.

I'm with the facebook mums, lynch the cunt.

[Spikey M]

"Your sky daddy isn't real, mine is!"

[niko_cee]

It does seem a bit of a dangerous route to be going down for a man of the cloth, although admittedly a less dangerous one when it comes to children than they've previously been predisposed towards.

[Lofty]

I thought kids were all jaded and old before their time due to the unrelenting horrors of the internet in their pocket now?

[niko_cee]

Most don't get the full force of the unrelenting horror put in their pocket in year 5 though.

[Waffdon]

Looking forward to the eventual Lucy Letby stitch up that Netflix release

[Yevrah]

If Letby is innocent (or not guilty beyond reasonable doubt) we can kiss goodbye to the state ever being trusted again.

[Dquincy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgr9v1ppglo

Facebook mums strike again:



A grip, madam! Get one!

The vicar is a cunt. Well out of order that.

[Pepe]

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/insurance-companies-arent-the-main

[niko_cee]

Like the story but I'm struggling a bit with British people paying 15%+ [and the most of anyone] of total health spending out of their own pockets, how does that work? Or is stuff like physiotherapy and dentistry all chucked into the mix? I could sort of understand that, maybe. Still sounds a bit of a stretch.

[Shindig]

Without a monetary number to go with the percentage, I can't fathom it either. Maybe it's bumped up by people that go private?

[Pepe]

Not sure. Comes from here:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-out-of-pocket-expenditure-on-healthcare?tab=chart&country=~GBR#explore-the-data

The monetary number would be this:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/out-of-pocket-expenditure-per-capita-on-healthcare?tab=chart&country=~GBR

[randomlegend]

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/insurance-companies-arent-the-main


The smiling doctor who writes you prescriptions and sends you to the MRI and refers you to a specialist without ever asking you for money knows full well that you’re going to end up having to wrangle with the insurance company for the cost of all those services. The gentle nurse who sets up your IV doesn’t tell you whether each dose of drugs through the IV could set you back hundreds of dollars, but they know. When the polite administrative assistants at the front desk send you back to treatment without telling you that their services are out of your network, it’s because they didn’t bother to check.

This is one of the most moronic paragraphs I've ever read.

[Pepe]

Based on your experience working in an American hospital?

[randomlegend]

Do you think the nurses/doctors/receptionists set the prices of treatment? Do you think they work on commission? Do you think they should be rationing the treatment they give you based on how much it costs?

"I know you're in excruciating pain but analgesia is pretty expensive and the insurance company will probably try and weasel out of paying for it so I think you should probably just man up."

It's a completely and utterly idiotic position to take up.

[Pepe]

His position is that the high healthcare costs in the US come from the provision of healthcare itself, not the profits that insurance companies are making. If you think such a position is idiotic, better bring some numbers proving so to the table.

[randomlegend]

His position is that the high healthcare costs in the US come from the provision of healthcare itself, not the profits that insurance companies are making. If you think such a position is idiotic, better bring some numbers proving so to the table.

His position in that paragraph is that frontline healthcare staff are somehow more to blame for healthcare cost associated bankruptcy than the insurance companies, which is as I've stated, completely moronic.

[Pepe]

His position in that paragraph is that frontline healthcare staff are somehow more to blame for healthcare cost associated bankruptcy than the insurance companies, which is as I've stated, completely moronic.

That is an incorrect read of his argument, but whatever. You seem to have made up your mind about a system you have zero knowledge about, whether empirical or numerical.

EDIT: With that said, a few days ago I saw a job ad for an anesthesiologist, pay was $750000 per year. A system that can afford to pay its workers so handsomely will never be not expensive.

[Ben]

Is there anything more to this New Jersey drone thing, or is it just Americans being Americans again?

[Spikey M]

Some poor dog walker is about to go for one last swim.

[Magic]

That is an incorrect read of his argument, but whatever. You seem to have made up your mind about a system you have zero knowledge about, whether empirical or numerical.

EDIT: With that said, a few days ago I saw a job ad for an anesthesiologist, pay was $750000 per year. A system that can afford to pay its workers so handsomely will never be not expensive.

Ours can't be far off that if you chuck private in to the mix.

RL?

[niko_cee]

Don't consultants get paid something like £100k basic? I know some of the hip ninjas can roll out half a dozen private ops on any given weekend morning, but can that really get your average joe consultant up to that sort of level? Without even going into the fact that you probably pay a comparative pittance in tax in the US and the actual money itself is worth so much more in real terms.

[Kikó]

Is there anything more to this New Jersey drone thing, or is it just Americans being Americans again?

They're called airplanes.

[randomlegend]

Ours can't be far off that if you chuck private in to the mix.

RL?



This really highlights the enormous misconceptions the public have about how much doctors are paid.

Consultants are paid about £100-120k and private is far from the golden goose people think it is. In many specialities there is almost no private work at all (paediatrics being one of them). Others (typically procedural ones) can have a fair amount, but at best I think people are looking at earning their NHS wage again, with most people not getting close to that.

There will be a few exceptions in London with people earning big money, but this idea all consultants are raking it in with private work on the side is absolute bollocks.

[Magic]

I dunno, sounds like a lot of beans to me round these parts...

Get 'em!

[niko_cee]

Fucking hell the sentencing remarks in the Sara Sharif case are harrowing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Surely this lad's getting whole life. Urfan, that is, not the others.

[niko_cee]

Probably not but he's not getting out, one way or another.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I noticed Labour trying to sneak out reforms to home schooling policy this morning. Wonder why.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Probably not but he's not getting out, one way or another.

What do you have to do to get that, multiple murders? This is about the worst single murder imaginable.

[Spikey M]

Capital Punishment really does feel like the only reasonable punishment sometimes.

[niko_cee]

What do you have to do to get that, multiple murders? This is about the worst single murder imaginable.

They were saying earlier it often has to have an degree of pre-mediation, sexual gratification or sadism in the offending, but yeah, this guy must have got pretty close to getting in on exceptional circumstances. What they did seemed pretty sadistic to me, but I guess that only counts if you also have the intent to kill.

[randomlegend]

I never understand how these people find each other. Having one person willing to do this shit is wild enough to me, but the fact they manage to shack up with someone else who's also down for a good bit of child torture blows my mind.

How does it first come up?

"Right, I know this sounds weird, but do you fancy burning the kids with an iron tonight?"

[Jimmy Floyd]

Whichever social services legend awarded him custody will have a good Christmas no doubt.

[randomlegend]

Whichever social services legend awarded him custody will have a good Christmas no doubt.

All in a days work for them if my experiences are anything to go by, to be quite honest.

[Spikey M]

I never understand how these people find each other. Having one person willing to do this shit is wild enough to me, but the fact they manage to shack up with someone else who's also down for a good bit of child torture blows my mind.

How does it first come up?

"Right, I know this sounds weird, but do you fancy burning the kids with an iron tonight?"

Like all abuse, slow but steady escalation. Obviously, most people will have a limit, but step parents are often willing to accept different parenting... erm... styles, than they would accept for their own children. It speaks volumes that the wife's own children were untouched.

[Spikey M]

All in a days work for them if my experiences are anything to go by, to be quite honest.

Indeed. I'm mostly just surprised this stuff doesn't happen more often. I report concerns to them 2 or 3 times a month and they basically never follow up on anything.

[Lofty]

The amount of people raging at Labour selling Royal Mail to foreigners online explains a lot about why this country is fucked.

Osborne and co knew the score, you can be crooked as you like in plain sight and it won't matter because the idiots of the electorate will have forgotten it all after their next steak bake.

[niko_cee]

Looking forward to the eventual Lucy Letby stitch up that Netflix release

This would appear to be the main motivation behind her lawyer's actions.

[Spikey M]

Unless the note was planted, I'm not having any of it.

https://i.ibb.co/4270PGJ/01-H849-BHV4-AN1-XCNPYZ57-QFY79.jpg

And her visiting the IV storage twice as much as her colleagues, being caught fucking around with babies unattended by many colleagues, stalking the parents online... etc.

This just smells of "a woman would never do this!". Similar happened with Myra Hindley and she did her best to get herself off the hook with it too.

[Lofty]

Yes didn't she visit the parents facebook pages dozens of times on christmas day?

[Waffdon]

There’s not been any evidence of the babies actually being murdered though, is there? Is that not the point?

[SvN]

All of that stuff looks bad, but could also be explained by a nurse struggling with the guilt of having babies die while in her care. Not saying that's definitely the case, but so much of the case is circumstantial. I hope she is guilty.

[niko_cee]

Circumstantial evidence is still evidence, although I have little familiarity with what's gone on with her and all the dead babies.

[Spikey M]

I'm sure the physical evidence was airbubbles in the babies systems, which is why her being caught fucking around with the IV drips was such a "red flag".

[randomlegend]

I think this is one of those cases where unless you were involved in the case/trial and have actually seen all the evidence - and have the knowledge and context to interpret it - it's pretty pointless to speculate.

Boring, I know.

That's why I've found it quite irresponsible some of these 'experts' who weren't involved in the trial coming out and casting doubt on the evidence and frothing up the conspiracy morons. Then again I suppose that kind of scrutiny is required to identify and overturn the genuine miscarriages of justice.

[Spikey M]

All of that stuff looks bad, but could also be explained by a nurse struggling with the guilt of having babies die while in her care. Not saying that's definitely the case, but so much of the case is circumstantial. I hope she is guilty.

Quite possibly. Maybe her mental health was just absolutely fucked and she's got the worst luck in history. I think it's more likely she's just a murderer though, and we don't get the hand wringing if we were talking about Nurse Lewis Letby.

[Spikey M]

I think this is one of those cases where unless you were involved in the case/trial and have actually seen all the evidence - and have the knowledge and context to interpret it - it's pretty pointless to speculate.

Boring, I know.

That's why I've found it quite irresponsible some of these 'experts' who weren't involved in the trial coming out and casting doubt on the evidence and frothing up the conspiracy morons. Then again I suppose that kind of scrutiny is required to identify and overturn the genuine miscarriages of justice.

And yes, "this". Everything I know came from a 30 minute Panorama episode. The hearing took weeks/months.

[SvN]

I'm sure the physical evidence was airbubbles in the babies systems, which is why her being caught fucking around with the IV drips was such a "red flag".

There was no real physical evidence of this, it's really hard to detect after the fact. Some babies had skin discolourations which are "one of the signs" of an air embolism according to some paper from 1989. The science is really wooly, and seems to be a hypothesis rather than knowledge.

Here's some interesting reading about it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgwx9xprwqo

[randomlegend]

The science is really wooly, and seems to be a hypothesis rather than knowledge.


Welcome to neonatal medicine.

[Yevrah]

The Letby case is potentially seriously problematic. Not solely because she might be innocent but due to the way it’s been handled - I’ve no reason to believe she isn’t guilty and I’d prefer to go with the verdict of the people who sat through the whole trial in the absence of anything damming to the contrary, but this gets us nearer to the problem with the whole thing.

Once again ‘the public’ were told early doors stop reading fringe shit and get back in your box, she’s bang to rights. To the extent that a New Yorker article (iirc) was banned by British ISP’s and I had to vpn it to read the damn thing. Which just fuels the conspiracy click bait that far too many people are obsessed with and fast forward a few weeks/months and what’s this? Oh, it’s the BBC posting articles with both sides of the argument.

If she is subsequently acquitted it’ll be a massive ‘I told you so’ for those fucks who bang on about legacy media lying to us and there’ll be another x million people on the train.

Now I wouldn’t care about this so much but I’d quite like to retire in 12-14 years and I could really do without Western Civilisation voluntarily eating itself within that time.

[Shindig]

Her being annoyed at the one that got away will always stick with me.

[Spikey M]

You could be retiring next year and I'd give you evens at best Yev. Go retire in Thailand like a king. Everyone will think you're a nonce, but you can't knock the value for money.

[Yevrah]

Not sure where it’ll be, but yeah, if the plan comes off it sure as shit won’t be here.

[Shindig]

John Arne will be round with a brochure shortly.

[Spikey M]

Just make sure you have a few VPN's rolling.

[Pepe]

I'd take South America over Asia

[niko_cee]

Far North Queensland is the winning choice.

[Baz]

Where is Queenslander

[John Arne]

John Arne will be round with a brochure shortly.

"Good evening Yevrah, I'd like to talk to you about your retirement plans".

[Yevrah]

Go on then. You’re in Vietnam right JA? What’s your experience been like?

[Spikey M]

When my inlaws went to Vietnam they saw a dead body get fished out of the stream that runs behind the hotel. They slapped him in the back of a van and drove off. Problem solved. Other than that all they had to say was that it was as sticky as Satan's armpit. They haven't been back.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'll stay in England until the last watery cup of tea has been poured down the sink on a dark winter's day. You lot need to learn patriotism.

[Spikey M]

Patriotism is racist Jim, you know that.

[Yevrah]

When my inlaws went to Vietnam they saw a dead body get fished out of the stream that runs behind the hotel. They slapped him in the back of a van and drove off. Problem solved. Other than that all they had to say was that it was as sticky as Satan's armpit. They haven't been back.

Oh I don’t doubt there’d be many people that would hate it. I’d guess a corpse being fished out of a river is a rare occurrence and they were probably more perturbed by the heat. I’d have no problem with the latter and little with the former. As you said in your first response, Western money in non-Western countries (be that Asia or South America) just strikes me as a total no brainier.

£1m in the pension pot is the target, take the 25% tax free lump and live off that while the pot builds back up to £1m then I’d be able to clear £3k per month ish in post tax drawings which would mean an obscenely good lifestyle.

Plus I’d still have a house in England if it turns out I don’t like it, that can also add to the income if I do.

[Baz]

What about your porn empire?

[Spikey M]

Oh I don’t doubt there’d be many people that would hate it. I’d guess a corpse being fished out of a river is a rare occurrence and they were probably more perturbed by the heat. I’d have no problem with the latter and little with the former. As you said in your first response, Western money in non-Western countries (be that Asia or South America) just strikes me as a total no brainier.

£1m in the pension pot is the target, take the 25% tax free lump and live off that while the pot builds back up to £1m then I’d be able to clear £3k per month ish in post tax drawings which would mean an obscenely good lifestyle.

Plus I’d still have a house in England if it turns out I don’t like it, that can also add to the income if I do.

Granted on all fronts, but I think there's several better options than Vietnam. Apparently Argentina ranks pretty well on the affordability front, whilst also having decent weather (depending where you go) and being alot more similar to our way of life.

Alternatively, you can get citizenship on many Caribbean islands just by having £100k in the bank.

I'd leave the overpopulated sweatbox's for people retiring on a shoestring.

[Spikey M]

In other retirement news, can someone give me a quick explainer on what the WASPI outrage is about? As far as I can tell, all they did was bring the retirement age of women inline with men, no? Equality, in other words?

I don’t want to assume that this is just middle class women of a certain age, middle-class-women-of-a-certain-ageing, as our m8 Gggreggg might say, but I'm not sure I understand the outrage otherwise.

[niko_cee]

Some women planned to retire on X date and the government didn't give them enough warning/a bespoke public information campaign telling them that the rules had changed and that was no longer possible/viable for them and so they had to retire on Y date a bit later and it was a MASSIVE INJUSTICE.

[Spikey M]

I can see why that might be a little annoying, but my mate Yev has a million in his backburner and he's having to move to a shack in a landmine creator to make it work. Where's his justice?

#YASPI

[niko_cee]

In the same way that it is a little bit annoying when the government puts up tax rates. Not sure it gives you grounds for official grievance.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Anything does these days. Worship at the altar of the self.

I might write one of those self-help books, but which tells you to stop loving yourself because you're frankly not worth much.

[Spikey M]

:D

[Yevrah]

I can see why that might be a little annoying, but my mate Yev has a million in his backburner and he's having to move to a shack in a landmine creator to make it work. Where's his justice?

#YASPI

I don’t doubt there’ll be some form of rug pulling in the run up to THE PLAN coming to fruition, but I was very relieved with Labour not doing it in the last budget. As for the Women’s, it’s clear by this point that Katie Hopkins line was right, in that they’re not after equality but all of the good things they think men have without any of the shit.

[Luke Emia]

Oh I don’t doubt there’d be many people that would hate it. I’d guess a corpse being fished out of a river is a rare occurrence and they were probably more perturbed by the heat. I’d have no problem with the latter and little with the former. As you said in your first response, Western money in non-Western countries (be that Asia or South America) just strikes me as a total no brainier.

£1m in the pension pot is the target, take the 25% tax free lump and live off that while the pot builds back up to £1m then I’d be able to clear £3k per month ish in post tax drawings which would mean an obscenely good lifestyle.

Plus I’d still have a house in England if it turns out I don’t like it, that can also add to the income if I do.

Genuinely you don't have to take the 25% as a lump sum. You can crystalise the pension at the £1 million and take the first 25% tax free so you could take for example £3k per month out of the pot whilst leaving it to grow for the future and meaning the capital isn't smashed by withdrawing 25% of it out of the pot. That way most likely your returns would cover your monthly outgoings comfortably and your pot would still continue to grow.

[Yevrah]

Excellent, thank you Luke.

Part of this plan is also seeing a financial advisor in the new year as I genuinely have no clue.

[Ben]

Have you been paying a lot into pensions for a while or have you ramped up more recently as you become more aware of getting older? At what age do you envisage hitting the million?

At the moment I'm on track for £700k come retirement. But my primary plan is mortgage-free before 55. Once that plan is further along and I'm comfortable with its progress, I'm aiming for a £2k per month retirement ASAP.

[Manc]

Your money will mean nothing when the nukes are raining down.

[Luke Emia]

Have you been paying a lot into pensions for a while or have you ramped up more recently as you become more aware of getting older? At what age do you envisage hitting the million?

At the moment I'm on track for £700k come retirement. But my primary plan is mortgage-free before 55. Once that plan is further along and I'm comfortable with its progress, I'm aiming for a £2k per month retirement ASAP.

The benefit of that plan is all going to depend on your tax position but you could possibly think about ISA’s tax hit initially but tax-free income in retirement is a big bonus.

[Yevrah]

Have you been paying a lot into pensions for a while or have you ramped up more recently as you become more aware of getting older? At what age do you envisage hitting the million?

At the moment I'm on track for £700k come retirement. But my primary plan is mortgage-free before 55. Once that plan is further along and I'm comfortable with its progress, I'm aiming for a £2k per month retirement ASAP.

I’ve been dogshit at it for years but with my bit and the employer side now I’m aiming to whack in £60k a year for the next 12 to 14 years to hit the million. I’m at about >£100k now, with most of that coming in the last 12 months.

[Yevrah]

Oh and due to the personal allowance unwind it’s an absolute no brainer to do it, that much I have managed to work out. £4K a month means I get something like £1,700 a month take home less.

[Manc]

Hold up. You're pumping £60k a year into your pension pot?

[Yevrah]

Needs must. Like I said I’ve been shit up to now and retirement won’t pay for itself.

[Spikey M]

Does if you're on benefits tbf

[Magic]

Your money will mean nothing when the nukes are raining down.

At least it'll treat the cancer.

[randomlegend]

Grace Dent is a great pick to replace Greg "wonderwilly" Wallace on celebrity MasterChef.

[Waffdon]

Jay would have been much better

[Shindig]

Just pay Lloyd Grossman the big money to come back for the series.

[niko_cee]

I would suggest Charles Campion, but I see he's been dead for nigh on 4 years. :|

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jay would have been much better

Think anyone with an appendage was greyed out on the BBC hiring list for this.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Absolutely sensational vibe from this lad. Who says this country is finished.

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[randomlegend]

At work so can't watch but siblings is bold. :D

[Spikey M]

I didn't know Brass Eye had a new series.

[Spikey M]

At work so can't watch but siblings is bold. :D

The way he pronounced siblings - si-buh-lings - is the real crime here.

Edit: and outing himself as a nonce at the end. :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Absolutely sensational vibe from this lad. Who says this country is finished.

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:lol:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The way he pronounced siblings - si-buh-lings - is the real crime here.

Edit: and outing himself as a nonce at the end. :D

That was stunning.

What a wild ride that was.

[Boydy]

Typical libertarian views tbh.

Check his hard drive and lock him up.

[Spikey M]

His approach to disabilities appears to be; It's just a bit of downs syndrome, it's still good, it's still good.

[niko_cee]

:D

The birth defect rate is 57% which, yeah, in isolation sounds bad, but you know, better than not having been born at all! Also, I don't think it is, it's just double the normal presumably pretty low rate but whatever.

What a nut.

I believe in an age of consent.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Every viewing gets better. The way the room is set up, he must have actively chosen to have the teddy visible over his left shoulder?

[Yevrah]

Is this the thin end of the trans wedge end game Lewis was getting at?

Fucking insanity.

[Manc]

Going on TV and saying you want to fuck your underage cousin. Fair play.

[Spikey M]

Only if they're old enough to pump out retarded children tbf.

[niko_cee]

In the realm of justifying crime I do have some sympathy with this viewpoint. (https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/influencer-birkin-bag-stolen-oxford-street-london-sympathy-b1201001.html)

[Kikó]

Absolutely sensational vibe from this lad. Who says this country is finished.

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Honestly how I picture Lewis.

[Spikey M]

:D

[Magic]

I like how the interviewer guy was like "spastics are a burden on the NHS".

[Jimmy Floyd]

The part where one bloke is arguing that the disabled are a burden on the state and the other counters that homosexuals are a burden on the state was peak GB News. People call lots of things Nazi but those are both as close to actually being Nazi as anything I've heard in recent times.

[Magic]

https://people.com/employee-allegedly-stabs-company-president-during-staff-meeting-police-say-attack-could-be-copycat-of-unitedhealthcare-killing-8764195

:drool:

[Pepe]

Adults with braces should all be preemptively jailed for life.

[Shindig]

32 and wearing braces. What a combination.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think you'll see a huge number of copycats.

[Pepe]

Attacking your own boss during a staff meeting doesn't sound like much of a copycat to me.

[Spikey M]

Kiko's in trouble when that 1 to 1 finally goes ahead.

[Shindig]

On the one hand, I can't fault the lad's honesty but he really should've just made an excuse up. Unless that was his excuse.

[Pepe]

Kiko's in trouble when that 1 to 1 finally goes ahead.

:lol:

[Kikó]

It's why I insist on remote working 😎

[Luke Emia]

That GB News video is something else. Literally you watch it and think things can’t get anymore mental then BAM! you hear phrases like ‘Mental Retardation’.

[Ben]

If that guy hasn't been scoped out by the bill on the back of that, what are we paying taxes for?

[Shindig]

https://media.thetab.com/blogs.dir/35/files/2020/05/amos-trio-940x480.png

He's Baz with a moustache.

[Spikey M]

:D

[Jimmy Floyd]

His aesthetic is so specifically 1978-82 it's honestly quite impressive. Dennis Nilsen, Geoffrey Howe, Mike Read, the Iranian Embassy siege, they're all inside his heart.

[Yevrah]

Bet that Teddy Bear has seen some things it’ll never forget….

[Magic]

It is Baz you know. :cool:

[Waffdon]

I’d say he’s closer to Mike tbf

[niko_cee]

https://news.sky.com/story/appeal-to-find-bike-rider-with-large-angular-nose-in-earls-court-rape-investigation-13276660

Don

????

[Spikey M]

:lol::lol::lol:

[Manc]

Nailed on if it was a child's bike.

[Baz]

Adults with braces should all be preemptively jailed for life.
Why? Better than having crooked teeth forever.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czr368m1j8lo


Major Adams, who led the 6888th Central Postal Directory Batallion, is played by actress Kerry Washington.

"Everybody thought it was impossible, what they were up against," she told the BBC.

"And I think that's why the film resonates with people.

"Not just, you know, these particular black women and this time and place, but anybody who'd ever felt under estimated, or doubted, or pushed aside or marginalised."

They were sorting letters. It's not exactly trying to hold the bridge at Arnhem. These people have brain disease.

[niko_cee]

Presumably they eventually came upon the unconditional surrender Hitler posted in 1943 and the war ended.

[Yevrah]

There’s probably an interesting story in there but all puff pieces like that do is patronise everyone involved.

[Magic]

"Because it just felt like, yes they were dealing with World War Two but they were also dealing with racism and misogyny.

Lol Dunkirk etc

[John Arne]

There doesn't appear to be a transport or infrastructure thread, so it's going here.

After an 11(ELEVEN) year delay, HCMC Metro finally opened it's first line yesterday. 3 stations underground and about 8 or 9 overground heading out east of the city. Another 7 line planned, which based on the first line, will be finished circa. 2140.

https://gyazo.com/8dda2e5e685f4b84a444d67906b33478.jpeg

[Giggles]

11 years would be a win here. The Dublin Metro was proposed in 2001, given planning permission in 2011, and a sod hasn't been turned yet.

Original cost €3bn, current estimate €23bn :drool:

[John Arne]

Slight budget overrun, that :D

This first line original budget was $1.2bn, final cost was $1.7bn, although widely expected that number is fudged.. more likely $3bn-$4bn

[Shindig]

Meanwhile the Northumberland line is BACK. Operates as a pseudo-extension of the Tyne and Wear Metro. And the first of the new Sadler 555's are in service. The Gateshead flyover looks fucked, though. It's got concrete like rotten teeth.

[Spikey M]

11 years would be a win here. The Dublin Metro was proposed in 2001, given planning permission in 2011, and a sod hasn't been turned yet.

Original cost €3bn, current estimate €23bn :drool:

What's most maddening is that you - much like us - could get rid of most of that extra €20 billion simply by sacking the thousands of governmental employees and middle managers that exist just to make things difficult.

[Ben]

I was talking to a couple of quantity surveyors from my company who have been working on HS2 and the mishandling of funds is incredible. It's no surprise given the way this country does things but if any of the specifics hit the media then the scandals coming from it will bury people.

You'd think a huge public project would be one of the most difficult environments for a QS, but no, it's quite the opposite. There's just a complete lack of accountability and you don't need to be a cynic to think that's by design.

[-james-]

In Greece at the moment and the recently opened Thessaloniki metro is the word on everyone's lips. Late, over budget and ultimately shite. This wouldn't happen in a proper country they say.

[Spikey M]

Whatever happened to that geezer that famously made the trains run on time?

[Lewis]

The twats making things difficult and wasting money exist because of specific laws that act as a drag on all construction everywhere (e.g. the 'bat tunnel' fiasco), but the main reason for costs spiralling has been the plan to have half of it underground to not upset a few MPs whose constituencies line the route, meaning that most of the initial (lol) leg will be underground for no practical reason. Imagine trying to build the M25 now.

[niko_cee]

I'm fighting back against my bat expert eco report after it's no evidence of bats and low/negligible suitability for bats led to a recommendation of further surveys next summer.

Erm, please gtfo.

Also have to demolish in a way that is sensitive to badgers. What the fuck does that mean? Should I put up polite notices for them?

Their own guidance says they mustn't default to more and more surveys as it brings 'the profession' [arf] into disrepute. Chancing twats.

Ecological surveys, biodiversity net gain, sustainability reports, water neutrality, winter groundwater run-off surveys, unfortunately the lunatics have taken over the asylum. I'm just trying to replace an existing 50s shit-tip with a modern house. Christ knows what it would be like if I was trying to build actual new houses. No wonder they have to get the land for basically nothing to make it even halfway viable.

[Spikey M]

Why do we have such a hard-on for bats?

[Jimmy Floyd]

We have a hard-on for all animals/wildlife and it's one of our most destructive national characteristics.

[Yevrah]

I ran into the bat laws when the broom and I had rats, in that one pest control man refused to put poison down in the loft for fear of bats being there. A right pain in the arse.

[niko_cee]

Why do we have such a hard-on for bats?

They are protected, and anything protected causes huge problems. Newts, water voles, some types of rare snail, badgers but not the ones with TB. Not people. Not foxes, not sure who they've offended. Not sure if the protected designation stemmed from EU regulation originally. If it did sadly no bats have been implicated in the deaths of powerful peoples' beloved animals or they might be off the list now, like the European Wolves.

I don't personally think it is a bad thing, it's just, as with all these things, the sledgehammer doesn't really crack the nut and if anything probably makes things worse as people take harmful measures to 'avoid' the problem.

[Lewis]

There was a good thread on Twitter about the bats. In short, in the course of proving how endangered the bats were and how the railway needed to make allowances for them, they found far, far more of them than expected. The result was that they updated the threat level to the bats to reflect this, and then the railway had to make all the same allowances regardless.

[Kikó]

Whatever happened to that geezer that famously made the trains run on time?

Ran three terms and couldn't run again. Sadly considered a war criminal today. Rip Tony.

[niko_cee]

I assume finding more bats had the counter-intuitive effect of making the impact of the development MORE SERIOUS and thus the conditions more onerous even though there are loads of them and they probably aren't at all endangered.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How many of them do there have to be before they aren't endangered?

EDIT: the honourable gentleman covers this above.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Far be it from me to turn this into the macroeconomics thread, but UK showing 0% growth for Q3 (revised down from 0.1%), at a time when there is billions being borrowed and hundreds of thousands of immigrants coming in, which should both be boosting factors. How on earth are we managing to be this useless?

[Ben]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy87e72yg3o

[Magic]

Absolutely criminal corruption.

[Manc]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1592jjw0xvo

The balloon strikes again.

[Luke Emia]

Isn’t Roundhay Park where Sutcliffe did most of his work?

[Danny]

There and Chapeltown (right next to it) iirc.

[Spikey M]

Britain's Waterways are rivalling his record.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20w27wy4qno

Jay Slater's spiritual successor, apparently the guy was well known locally as an absolute roaster so probably played silly games with dangerous people.

[Foe]

Been a bit of a shit day in murica.

“Terror” event in New Orleans and then a cyber truck explosion outside trump hotel in vegas.

Welcome to 2025.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Grooming gangs looks like it's about to kick off. If it ever kicks off properly, it will level the British establishment.

[Magic]

Been a bit of a shit day in murica.

“Terror” event in New Orleans and then a cyber truck explosion outside trump hotel in vegas.

Welcome to 2025.

Why are they not going after the CEOs and the rich? Absolute morons.

[Giggles]

Grooming gangs looks like it's about to kick off. If it ever kicks off properly, it will level the British establishment.

Is this something to do with all that cryptic stuff about 11 year olds on Twitter where nobody is really saying anything?

[Jimmy Floyd]

There are many towns, largely in the north of England, where Pakistani (for the most part Mirpuri) men ran grooming gangs targeting white children in the 2000s/2010s, in some cases including gang rape and worse. Many groups of them have been convicted and jailed sporadically over the years but it's starting to come out a) how bad the offences were and b) how assiduously the authorities have suppressed details and reporting of the issue in the name of 'community relations'. Another issue is that many of those convicted haven't been subsequently deported because of their human rights or whatever.

[Giggles]

What's the difference in this one and all the other stuff that gets posted online? Is there something more concrete this time that doesn't just let the authorities scresm 'far right' to make it all go away?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think there's just been a vibe shift and the 'left' for want of a better term are standing on shakier ground than they have been for 20 odd years. But they'll still be doing that and may well be successful.

[Yevrah]

Where are you seeing all this Jim? Unsurprisingly the BBC seems to have nothing on it.

[Yevrah]

They do seem to have gone big on a Woman who suffered indecent exposure over a video call and the police not doing much about it. The lack of effort on their part very shocking until you see that the perpetrator was based in India. I mean, FFS.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If it gets to the beeb then that's when it's out of control. They'll do literally anything to avoid that.

Just yesterday the government rejected a request from Oldham council for an inquiry.

[Spikey M]

Basically Jess Phillips went big on protecting women and girls when she wasn't in power, and people have decided she hasn't or isn't doing so. Not sure that's necessarily fair, but the knives are out regardless.

Jess, Oldham and Tommy Robbison are currently in the top 30 trending topics on Twitter. Featuring some charming tweets, like this one:

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I don't think this is new information, but it's the first time I'm seeing it. I imagine if this was happening in July, we would be back to wanting are cuntry back, and there'd be people burning shit again, but luckily it's fucking baltic out there.

Still, I agree with Jim. It's a tinderbox out there at the moment.

Happy New Year.

[Lewis]

It started because Fraser Nelson (twat) wrote about how Britain is the most successful multicultural society in the world because he works for the Times now and he had to, Sam Bidwell asked him to explain himself, which he couldn't, and then a load of top quality right-wing accounts started asking him how many instances of Mo Salah putting a Christmas tree up cancel out all of the Pakistani raping.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There's no new information, but there's momentum forming behind it in the same way there was with the post office stuff (also not new information) this time last year.

[Spikey M]

The issue the right have, is that even when they're right - which they are to an extent here, those men should be deported the second their sentence ends (where possible) - they just can't help but be unbearable about it.

Twitter is dripping with racism and you can see them slowly getting more and more comfortable about it. Which will obviously eventually lead to arrests and oh here we go again. Two Tiers, Piers Tears, Keirs Fears and Elon fucking Musk being smug, which is just completely off putting to anyone that shares their concerns on this issue but isn't a wing nut, so they'll achieve nothing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm not sure why Elon is quite so into it but our political class need a nuclear bomb to go off over their heads, so if this is the one then great as far as I'm concerned.

[Lewis]

The issue the right have, is that even when they're right - which they are to an extent here, those men should be deported the second their sentence ends (where possible) - they just can't help but be unbearable about it.

Twitter is dripping with racism and you can see them slowly getting more and more comfortable about it. Which will obviously eventually lead to arrests and oh here we go again. Two Tiers, Piers Tears, Keirs Fears and Elon fucking Musk being smug, which is just completely off putting to anyone that shares their concerns on this issue but isn't a wing nut, so they'll achieve nothing.

This is why it was allowed to happen in the first place.

[Spikey M]

This is why it was allowed to happen in the first place.

Kind of. It's more to do with institutions being afraid to look racist rather than not liking racists. Also, these were vulnerable girls, which people often imagine to mean shy little girls that wouldn't say boo to a goose, but in reality it means that many of them were known to the police and social services and seen as trouble makers, and in many cases were treated as if they were bringing this on themselves.

The whole thing really is a national scandal and that inquest needs to go ahead.

[Yevrah]

There's no new information, but there's momentum forming behind it in the same way there was with the post office stuff (also not new information) this time last year.

I hadn't seen those transcripts until now and I wonder if the Maxine Peake (was it) drama thing had the opposite effect to the post office one, in that it seriously downplayed what happened because you literally can't put that shit in a tv programme and people didn't think it was 'that bad' as a a result.

[Ben]

I'm seeing it a lot more too. The mass moderates/casuals/whatever are collectively getting swayed by immigration. It's unrelated to the grooming gangs but I think the huge influx of Indians is the straw that's broke the camel's back in regards to finally wanting actual policies to keep everything in check. Brexit give us a taste of it but the next GE is where we'll really see the winner decided (and the resulting political direction) by this topic alone, unless Labour get their head out of the sand in a serious way in the next few years.

[Lewis]

Kind of. It's more to do with institutions being afraid to look racist rather than not liking racists. Also, these were vulnerable girls, which people often imagine to mean shy little girls that wouldn't say boo to a goose, but in reality it means that many of them were known to the police and social services and seen as trouble makers, and in many cases were treated as if they were bringing this on themselves.

The whole thing really is a national scandal and that inquest needs to go ahead.

They were 'afraid to look racist' precisely because they didn't like racists to the extent that they considered them and their ideas to be worse than thousands of rapes (see also: terrorism, knife crime, etc.). You know how when somebody shoots a load of kids in America and people like you go 'How many dead kids will it take', and the answer is that they don't care? It's that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I also think that the Southport murders pushed this closer to happening, because - although this was a very different incident to the grooming/rape gangs - you saw the same instinctual response from the authorities, particularly from Merseyside Police, who wanted to close everything down in the name of avoiding 'community tensions' rather than tell the truth about who he was or what had happened, and by this time the sands had shifted on these issues far enough that the average person saw straight through it and could both condemn the stupid rioting that followed but also have a withering view of why information on whatsisname was withheld so furiously.

[Spikey M]

They were 'afraid to look racist' precisely because they didn't like racists to the extent that they considered them and their ideas to be worse than thousands of rapes (see also: terrorism, knife crime, etc.). You know how when somebody shoots a load of kids in America and people like you go 'How many dead kids will it take', and the answer is that they don't care? It's that.

Well no, it's because being seen as racist (or biggoted in anyway) is a death sentence. It was only last year that heads were rolling in both the Fire Brigade and Police forces for sexism and racism. So, unfortunately, these girls fell victim to those in power safe guarding their own careers, rather than them.

That's alot more solvable than the Septics and their love of guns.

[Lewis]

It's a 'death sentence' because it's an article of faith to these people and the institutions they inhabit. It's not actually against any law to point out that certain people commit more of certain types of crime, as opposed to actually being a racist or whatever, but these people conflated the two and made it a form of career suicide to do so. The same fate would befall any prominent Republican who wanted to ban guns, regardless of whatever sensible (to anyone else) points they might make.

[Spikey M]

Sure, but the obvious difference is that the answer to solving school shootings, is banning guns. Something Americans love. The answer to stopping rape gangs, is locking up rapists. Something very few people love. That makes it solvable. We just need someone with the balls to make the necessary changes and that appears to be the depressing sticking point in politics all round at the moment.

[Kikó]

It's a 'death sentence' because it's an article of faith to these people and the institutions they inhabit. It's not actually against any law to point out that certain people commit more of certain types of crime, as opposed to actually being a racist or whatever, but these people conflated the two and made it a form of career suicide to do so. The same fate would befall any prominent Republican who wanted to ban guns, regardless of whatever sensible (to anyone else) points they might make.

Which people and which crime?

[Magic]

Brown and brown. It's common knowledge you don't get white child rapists.

[Lewis]

Sure, but the obvious difference is that the answer to solving school shootings, is banning guns. Something Americans love. The answer to stopping rape gangs, is locking up rapists. Something very few people love. That makes it solvable. We just need someone with the balls to make the necessary changes and that appears to be the depressing sticking point in politics all round at the moment.

Lots of rapists and child abusers were locked up whilst these particular rapists were not even being investigated. The issue was not that we didn't have any police or prison spaces, as turned out to be the case when some of them were eventually done (derisory sentences aside), but that the authorities put 'community cohesion' - something they love - above rape victims. The answer was there all along, but, like the gun nuts, they chose not to see it.

[Lewis]

Which people and which crime?

The obvious lead is knife crime, which is a largely black-on-black affair, but non-whites are massively over-represented in pretty much every type of crime especially violent and sexual ones. Black kids routine stabbing each other is a similar issue in that that will only be solved by policing the 'black community' a lot more actively, and putting a lot more of them away; but nobody wants to do that, not when we owe the Windrush people so much, so the stabbings will continue.

[Spikey M]

The issue the right have, is that even when they're right - which they are to an extent here, those men should be deported the second their sentence ends (where possible) - they just can't help but be unbearable about it.



So depressingly predictable. One stray comment and boom, forget the rape victims, time to talk about racism. :happycry:

[Lofty]

There are a lot of white chavs who also groom kids but the authorities chalk that one off as 'lifestyle choices' on behalf of the victims.

[Spikey M]

There are a lot of white chavs who also groom kids but the authorities chalk that one off as 'lifestyle choices' on behalf of the victims.

That's exactly what they did in Rotherham/ Rochdale/ wherever. The difference is they're not forming organised gangs to pass them around and the police aren't completely paralysed for fear of angering the white chav community.

I don't think anyone is saying noncing is a racial issue in and of itself (bar maybe Lewis). Infact, the feminists (and Magic) would argue its just a men's issue, and it's hard to disagree really.

[Lewis]

Your first sentence explains the 'racial issue' referred to in your second sentence. You are being stupid.

[Spikey M]

I don't think noncing with a different strategy makes something a racial issue. Nonces are nonces and the police should feel empowered to prosecute them all regardless of race. Much like a white stabbing and a black stabbing.

[Pepe]

I just love how Social Justice always manages to worsen the things that they claim to want to fix the most.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't think anyone is saying noncing is a racial issue in and of itself (bar maybe Lewis).

I think they are going to say that THIS noncing is absolutely a racial issue, and that's the aspect of this story that is going to be so different to what we're used to, because over the last 20+ years (certainly back into my school days and beyond) we have all been conditioned to think that you can't reasonably pin any specific malice at the door of a specific ethnic group unless it's the white majority. That's now going to unravel because of the sheer scale and prevalence of this among let's say Pakistani men (though in reality I think it's specifically Mirpuri men for the most part).

I genuinely think that if this goes a certain way it could flatten whole swathes of established public life. It may well not, but that's a possible outcome.

[Lewis]

Nothing will happen under current leadership for precisely that reason, but a worthwhile party could use it as a means to re-build half of the administrative state to suit their purposes like what New Labour did with the Stephen Lawrence fallout.

[Yevrah]

I think they are going to say that THIS noncing is absolutely a racial issue, and that's the aspect of this story that is going to be so different to what we're used to, because over the last 20+ years (certainly back into my school days and beyond) we have all been conditioned to think that you can't reasonably pin any specific malice at the door of a specific ethnic group unless it's the white majority. That's now going to unravel because of the sheer scale and prevalence of this among let's say Pakistani men (though in reality I think it's specifically Mirpuri men for the most part).

I genuinely think that if this goes a certain way it could flatten whole swathes of established public life. It may well not, but that's a possible outcome.

Those 'investigating' it must have been aware it was a very specific racial issue, having decided to introduce the term 'Asian Grooming Gangs', presumably to deflect from the specific part of the World the culprits were from.

[Lofty]

Nothing will happen under current leadership for precisely that reason, but a worthwhile party could use it as a means to re-build half of the administrative state to suit their purposes like what New Labour did with the Stephen Lawrence fallout.

Bojo saying millions were 'spaffed up the wall investigating' will be back to haunt Kemi as she starts trying to point score on the back of it all.

[Boydy]

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Interesting thread here.