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Spikey M
18-07-2024, 07:54 AM
Have we ever addressed why you choose to live in a third world shithole? I mean, I know you're from Carlisle, but it's still a strange decision.

John Arne
18-07-2024, 08:15 AM
Have we ever addressed why you choose to live in a third world shithole? I mean, I know you're from Carlisle, but it's still a strange decision.

Crewe, but close. Vietnam has some of the highest GDP growth in the world, opportunities, start ups, booming population, great places to visits, and it's 33 degree's everyday. It's not perfect, in fact it's infuriating sometimes, but better than Crewe/north-west. I went from house sharing with 3 blokes in Manchester to having my own 100m2 gaff overnight #whiteprivilege.

I won't tell you which is which (spoilered massive imges)....


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Spikey M
18-07-2024, 08:31 AM
Point well made. Bang a 50p hooker for me, lad.

John Arne
18-07-2024, 08:35 AM
#Rule1 incoming.

John Arne
18-07-2024, 11:16 AM
So, To Lam (former Vietnamese KGB) has assumed top dog role in Vietnam due to ill health of the General Secretary. To Lam has spent the past 6 months installing his KGB cronies within the politburo. Should be an interesting few years in Vietnam.

Source tells me Nguyen Phu Thong, Gen Sec of Vietnam has died. Announcement expected tomorrow. If only betting websites allowed you to bet on this stuff.

niko_cee
18-07-2024, 01:48 PM
The amount of alarms any attempt to place such a bet would set off would probably cause the national grid to fail.

John Arne
18-07-2024, 01:52 PM
Trump, in Pennsylvania, with a rifle... 22/1.

Spikey M
18-07-2024, 09:04 PM
https://i.ibb.co/8PvfQjN/Screenshot-20240718-220006-Facebook.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/nskn0Dd/Screenshot-20240718-220026-Facebook.jpg

It remains the best group on Facebook. These people are to me what Animal Rights people are to Jim. Except I maybe find more joy in this shit than Jimmy does in Sir Pen Farthing Airlifting Afghan Hounds.

Ben
18-07-2024, 09:08 PM
:D

Jimmy Floyd
18-07-2024, 09:32 PM
If only Geronimo the alpaca hadn't been murdered, Jay might have ridden him safely down the mountain.

Magic
19-07-2024, 07:16 AM
Massive IT outage globally, looks like a complete Microsoft failure?

And yet, my boss has still managed to invite us to a Teams call at 0830. :moop:

Spikey M
19-07-2024, 07:25 AM
Christ I hope my system is down today. 30c and I'm WFH. :drool:

Lofty
19-07-2024, 07:33 AM
Annoyingly only the systems that don't affect my job are down :moop:

Yevrah
19-07-2024, 07:35 AM
Massive IT outage globally, looks like a complete Microsoft failure?

And yet, my boss has still managed to invite us to a Teams call at 0830. :moop:

We also appear to be among one of the very few unaffected.

Magic
19-07-2024, 07:36 AM
Apparently it's due to cyber security wanks (Crowdstrike) accidentally blocking Windows so MS made a change in Azure that's broken everything. Glorious scenes.

Magic
19-07-2024, 07:39 AM
All flights grounded in the US. :drool:

Magic
19-07-2024, 08:03 AM
Seems to be cloud PCs only, so any normal end user devices with Windows installed on them is fine. Fuck it lads. Hence why it's mostly only affecting systems rather than users.

Spikey M
19-07-2024, 08:04 AM
:(

Ben
19-07-2024, 08:04 AM
Chaos here at my place too.

Shindig
19-07-2024, 08:04 AM
Alright, looks like that's a lot of emails not getting done today. :moop:

Luke Emia
19-07-2024, 08:04 AM
Gail's unable to take card payments. How will the woke Londoners be able to cope?

Spikey M
19-07-2024, 08:06 AM
Completely unaffected here. Someone send me a virus or something for fuck sake. Seething.

Magic
19-07-2024, 08:06 AM
Ah right, so it massively affects hospitals and the likes because cheap cloud terminals. Some hospitals declaring disasters. Eek. People are going to die from this.

Gray Fox
19-07-2024, 08:08 AM
Unsure if it's the same cause but the local shop has all of their card machines as well as the ATM outside, down. To be fair to them they've put some hastily written signs up about the shop trying to warn people it's cash only, but most are still getting their baskets to the til before realising. Store manager almost tearing her hair out.

Shindig
19-07-2024, 08:10 AM
Ah right, so it massively affects hospitals and the likes because cheap cloud terminals. Some hospitals declaring disasters. Eek. People are going to die from this.

911 responders, too. How many Xboxes is grief worth?

Ben
19-07-2024, 08:10 AM
Yeah lots of card payment terminals use Microsoft cloud services.

Baz
19-07-2024, 08:32 AM
Fine here but got a text off 'Work IT' saying not to restart my laptop. a) I didn't know they could do that and b) I'm very tempted to restart.

Magic
19-07-2024, 08:33 AM
I was frequently checking for updates and doing all sorts of shit to no avail. :(

wullie
19-07-2024, 08:42 AM
We've skilfully avoided it apart from the business school which use Crowdstrike and have a big VIP section filled with posh twats in the Shard, so that'll be a nice Friday for them.

Shindig
19-07-2024, 08:46 AM
Yep, work emails are down. I assume teams will be down as well so there's going to be no communication between here and the office.

Spikey M
19-07-2024, 08:48 AM
Email and teams working depressingly well here.

Bernanke
19-07-2024, 08:50 AM
Email and teams working depressingly well here.

Yep, our org is too slow to have adopted CS at any scale. :(

Ben
19-07-2024, 08:51 AM
Despite everyone panicking, it turns out only the HR Training portal is down. Shame. Or not.

Bernanke
19-07-2024, 08:51 AM
1814205866104500375

:D dots

Spikey M
19-07-2024, 09:11 AM
Turns out we can't take payments or access the Direct Debit system this morning, that's it.

I'm not sure there's any way that this could stop me from having to attend a meeting with Social Services and the most unpleasant man in the world in Barking later, but please baby Jesus, find a way.

Lofty
19-07-2024, 10:11 AM
I have to attend a hospital appointment at 1pm :uhoh:

Spikey M
19-07-2024, 10:26 AM
Rip.

phonics
19-07-2024, 10:59 AM
Problem cant be fixed remotely. Needs a manual install. CrowdStrike will be bankrupt by next year.

Spikey M
19-07-2024, 11:01 AM
Atleast their legal team will be kept busy.

Magic
19-07-2024, 11:03 AM
This and the rising cloud costs hopefully make people see this "as a service" model is not only financially stupid but also commercially dangerous to business. Bring it all back in house.

Also fuck the tech bros and AI.

Pepe
19-07-2024, 11:19 AM
Did your AI wife leave you or something?

Spikey M
19-07-2024, 11:23 AM
Yes, for a Click-Boxer. :henn0rz:

Eh? EH? EH?

Magic
19-07-2024, 11:37 AM
Yes, for a Click-Boxer. :henn0rz:

Eh? EH? EH?

Yes. Very good.

Danny
19-07-2024, 11:44 AM
Fine here but got a text off 'Work IT' saying not to restart my laptop. a) I didn't know they could do that and b) I'm very tempted to restart.

Hows the battery? "I didnt know it was unplugged and it shut down" :nodd:

John Arne
19-07-2024, 11:46 AM
Source tells me Nguyen Phu Thong, Gen Sec of Vietnam has died. Announcement expected tomorrow. If only betting websites allowed you to bet on this stuff.

Official. He's dead. Bring on the KGB-ification.
www.chinhphu.vn

Magic
19-07-2024, 11:48 AM
Official. He's dead. Bring on the KGB-ification.
www.chinhphu.vn (http://www.chinhphu.vn)

EDIT: Sorry might be a bit el racismo.

Dark Soldier
19-07-2024, 11:55 AM
Yes, for a Click-Boxer. :henn0rz:

Eh? EH? EH?

Ban request

Shindig
19-07-2024, 01:14 PM
Our emails came back to life around 12. Teams was fine. Boo.

Lewis
19-07-2024, 02:35 PM
Annoyingly only the systems that don't affect my job are down :moop:

This could still cover everything from ticket machines to the actual trains.

Lofty
19-07-2024, 03:07 PM
:D

Platform information and internal communication systems were down but the software I use wasnt.

Dark Soldier
19-07-2024, 03:17 PM
Size of ya you could just push the fucking trains to their destination tbf.

Spikey M
19-07-2024, 03:25 PM
What do you think he does every day?

Dark Soldier
19-07-2024, 03:43 PM
Wanks off in some hut while asking for the public for £500 one way to Luton.

Danny
19-07-2024, 04:48 PM
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niko_cee
20-07-2024, 10:28 PM
Was just reading this (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjl69zk8y13o) and, whilst I realise we have a pretty liberal approach to the sale of alcohol compared to many, what the fuck kind of system is that?

Jimmy Floyd
21-07-2024, 06:20 AM
Canada is mad. Milk is sold in bags, cheese costs £20 a pop. Swerve at all costs.

Spikey M
21-07-2024, 07:01 AM
Canada has been more retarded than their perma-spaz neighbours in recent years.

Sir Andy Mahowry
21-07-2024, 09:47 AM
As someone who has used milk in a bag (Poland used to do it), it is a fucking disgrace.

Magic
22-07-2024, 10:57 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/21/two-children-and-four-adults-die-in-crash-on-a61-in-west-yorkshire

Car crash so not amazing big news but holy fuck how fast was the bike going for it to kill *everyone* in the car?

niko_cee
22-07-2024, 11:02 AM
Yeah, I thought that when I saw the story. Maybe the car swerved off to avoid or something and hit a tree? Even then, everyone dead is some going.

Spikey M
22-07-2024, 12:19 PM
https://i.ibb.co/vvrmNHt/Screenshot-20240722-131643-Facebook.jpg
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Sir Andy Mahowry
22-07-2024, 12:46 PM
Glorious.

Jimmy Floyd
22-07-2024, 04:16 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c2v0j0j6nqlo

The Dutch are just awesome people. Wouldn't let their leading golfer, Joost Luiten, play in the Olympics because they deemed him 'not good enough' despite his having successfully qualified for the event in the internationally stipulated way. However they will happily select a convicted rapist in their volleyball team.

Waffdon
22-07-2024, 05:00 PM
How on earth are you only getting 4 years never mind just serving 12 months

Lofty
22-07-2024, 05:26 PM
I mean, his victim was 12 so that's noncing too, not sure why they've ignored that bit.

Shindig
22-07-2024, 05:28 PM
Noncing that required a plane ticket and a passport.

Spikey M
22-07-2024, 06:12 PM
He served longer than half the local rape gang living there did. [/ReformUK]

Sir Andy Mahowry
22-07-2024, 06:50 PM
How on earth are you only getting 4 years never mind just serving 12 months

White.

Sir Andy Mahowry
22-07-2024, 06:53 PM
I mean, his victim was 12 so that's noncing too, not sure why they've ignored that bit.

Multiple times (which they've completed excluded) after plying with alcohol.

He 100% knew she was 12 too.

She has done some self harming and tried an overdose after it all.

Jimmy Floyd
22-07-2024, 06:57 PM
It's Holland, he could hijack a tram and run down 100 school children and he'd probably get 14 daysh in an open prishon.

Yevrah
22-07-2024, 08:27 PM
This absolute bollocks should be the subject of BBC Verify.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7209lk8x2wo


Software engineer Emma Harris earns £50,000 a year and said the cost of renting and bills takes up about two-thirds of her salary. "I am not likely to ever own a house and it’s just depressing," she said.

Quick look at net pay calculator suggests she'll take home £3,300 per month. Let's be generous and remove £300 of it and round that down to 3 grand. How the fuck is she spending two grand a month on rent and bills in Birmingham and why the fuck are the BBC indulging this utter shite?


Ms Harris said: "I feel completely trapped in the situation I am in. The chances of me owning my own house are pretty much non-existent.

"I want to cry. I want to scream. I want to shout, and do various other things but none of them solve the issue - that I don't have the money to put away each month to scrape together the money for a deposit."

She should probably sit down and work out where over 2 grand a month is going.

Jimmy Floyd
22-07-2024, 08:38 PM
If she has a 2 bed flat in a decent location then a quick scan of Rightmove suggests we're looking circa £1,300 a month. Of course we don't need a 2 bed flat and we don't necessarily need to be in a decent location, which is where the money goes.

Yevrah
22-07-2024, 08:43 PM
Which, if she actually wants to buy a house, would mark her out as an idiot.

randomlegend
22-07-2024, 08:46 PM
This absolute bollocks should be the subject of BBC Verify.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7209lk8x2wo



Quick look at net pay calculator suggests she'll take home £3,300 per month. Let's be generous and remove £300 of it and round that down to 3 grand. How the fuck is she spending two grand a month on rent and bills in Birmingham and why the fuck are the BBC indulging this utter shite?



She should probably sit down and work out where over 2 grand a month is going.

My take home is ~£2600 on £50k.

Lewis
22-07-2024, 08:47 PM
She should probably sit down and work out where over 2 grand a month is going.

Laser hair removal and hormones off the dark web.

Yevrah
22-07-2024, 08:51 PM
My take home is ~£2600 on £50k.

Are you shunting a shitload into a pension?

https://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/salary.php

randomlegend
22-07-2024, 08:53 PM
NHS pension + student loan are the only things I have going out other than tax.

Shindig
22-07-2024, 09:06 PM
That and the restaurant visits and pepper grinders. ;)

Magic
22-07-2024, 09:10 PM
Mine is 4k on 71-2ish.

randomlegend
22-07-2024, 09:13 PM
Are you shunting a shitload into a pension?

https://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/salary.php

Actually think it's more like £2800. I'm looking at what I'll be on next year when I go back to full time but I thought when I calculated it the other day it was £2600 but guess I was misremebering.

randomlegend
22-07-2024, 09:13 PM
That and the restaurant visits and pepper grinders. ;)

They don't go out on my payslip.

Dark Soldier
22-07-2024, 09:14 PM
Get yaself on less than 36k RL for that sweet sweet GMC Income Discount.

Baz
22-07-2024, 09:15 PM
My take home is ~£2600 on £50k.
This is mind boggling.

randomlegend
22-07-2024, 09:21 PM
Get yaself on less than 36k RL for that sweet sweet GMC Income Discount.

Oh yeah that's not even including the fucking thousands a year I have to spend on bullshit membership fees. Like paying the GMC to rape me with a cactus if I ever make a mistake.

Pepe
22-07-2024, 11:11 PM
I will have to pay $1900 per month in rent in my next place and I am seething about it. Shit's ridiculous.

Dan
23-07-2024, 12:08 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c728ven2v9eo

I thought this was quite interesting (cba to try link it properly on my phone at 1am), but obviously rich people are already trying to fuck everything up for the suggestion of a profit.

Pepe
23-07-2024, 12:21 AM
I am not big on the electrify everything move, but I do think that materials for batteries are more important than some fucking seabed creature.

Danny
23-07-2024, 12:35 AM
I will have to pay $1900 per month in rent in my next place and I am seething about it. Shit's ridiculous.

$1500 mortgage because we were lucky enough to buy and then refinance before shit truly hit the fan with the interest rates.

Couldn’t even imagine doing it today.

Pepe
23-07-2024, 01:36 AM
Yeah prices have gone insane and interest rates are up. I'm glad I am not looking to buy. Not that it will get any better, well, ever.

Lofty
23-07-2024, 05:52 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c728ven2v9eo

I thought this was quite interesting (cba to try link it properly on my phone at 1am), but obviously rich people are already trying to fuck everything up for the suggestion of a profit.

I love the way as soon as it was discovered people immediately decided to mine it. We really are cunts of a species.

Yevrah
23-07-2024, 06:25 AM
The scientists will have been working for the mining companies.

Ben
23-07-2024, 06:41 AM
NHS pension + student loan are the only things I have going out other than tax.

Student loan bumming me too. I'm fully paid off at the end of next year though, so I might just clear it pretty soon and avoid the interest (I'm getting charged >6% interest now and I'm barely getting that on investments this year).

Spikey M
23-07-2024, 06:43 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c728ven2v9eo

I thought this was quite interesting (cba to try link it properly on my phone at 1am), but obviously rich people are already trying to fuck everything up for the suggestion of a profit.

We're a disgusting species.

SvN
23-07-2024, 07:49 AM
Student loan bumming me too. I'm fully paid off at the end of next year though, so I might just clear it pretty soon and avoid the interest (I'm getting charged >6% interest now and I'm barely getting that on investments this year).
I've got a few months left, it's going to be glorious.

Bernanke
23-07-2024, 08:01 AM
You got 6% interest on your student loans? I got both Swedish and Dutch ones, and they're at 1,24% and 2,56% respectively this year. Didn't know the UK was so shit.

Kikó
23-07-2024, 08:05 AM
It's pretty outrageous and has been rising for years.

https://www.gov.uk/repaying-your-student-loan/what-you-pay

I paid my student loan off a few years ago now. Just make sure you get your money back if you overpay.

Spikey M
23-07-2024, 08:05 AM
You got 6% interest on your student loans? I got both Swedish and Dutch ones, and they're at 1,24% and 2,56% respectively this year. Didn't know the UK was so shit.

It is shit in basically every possible way and it's only getting worse.

Shindig
23-07-2024, 08:10 AM
I will never earn enough to pay mine off. I only owed £4k at the start of it. :moop:

Ben
23-07-2024, 08:20 AM
You got 6% interest on your student loans? I got both Swedish and Dutch ones, and they're at 1,24% and 2,56% respectively this year. Didn't know the UK was so shit.

It's BOE base rate +1%. So just three years ago the interest was 1.1%. I was never bothered about clearing it because it didn't make sense, but now it does.

niko_cee
23-07-2024, 08:36 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c728ven2v9eo

I thought this was quite interesting (cba to try link it properly on my phone at 1am), but obviously rich people are already trying to fuck everything up for the suggestion of a profit.

Isn't this the plot of Meg 2?

I also see cocaine sharks (https://news.sky.com/story/sharks-off-brazil-coast-test-positive-for-cocaine-13183543) are a thing, pretty sure that was a plot device as well.

Lewis
23-07-2024, 04:06 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/29317394/nestle-discontinued-chocolate-bar-retailers-caramac/

Fucking yes Ben. B&M here we come.

Ben
23-07-2024, 05:59 PM
:drool:

niko_cee
23-07-2024, 06:11 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/equestrian/articles/cd16ll5z086o

:lol:

Do we need Ian back to make an Olympics thread? Love that it's the Dutch shopping her. She'd have been fine if she'd hand non-consensual sex with the horse. I'm definitely here for the whole Olympics turning into F1 driver style sniping and trying to get everyone else banned or chucked out. The only good horse event at the Olympics is the modern pentathlon where they give them random horses and rogue bad actor horses can completely torpedo four years of training.

Shindig
23-07-2024, 06:14 PM
The FEI said it had received footage showing three-time Olympic gold medallist Dujardin "engaging in conduct contrary to the principles of horse welfare - during a training session conducted at Ms Durjardin’s private stable".

Imagine trying to scramble those words together for a press release.

Spikey M
23-07-2024, 06:21 PM
Horse people in being horrible cunts shocker.

Yevrah
23-07-2024, 07:07 PM
I have to say, I love the constant pretence among the horsing establishment that beating a horse isn’t the best way to get it to do what you want and that none of its horsing members are indulging in said beating.

Manc
23-07-2024, 07:36 PM
One medal away from becoming the GOAT.

Jimmy Floyd
24-07-2024, 06:39 AM
She should have kicked it harder, then the Dutch would have been satisfied.

Magic
24-07-2024, 01:18 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/21/two-children-and-four-adults-die-in-crash-on-a61-in-west-yorkshire

Car crash so not amazing big news but holy fuck how fast was the bike going for it to kill *everyone* in the car?

A bloke been arrested for dangerous driving, driving a 911 apparently.

Waffdon
24-07-2024, 03:40 PM
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Wonder if it was him who mowed the cow down. Christ :D

Pepe
24-07-2024, 05:26 PM
That is very fucked up. Luckily he missed that stomp.

Baz
24-07-2024, 06:07 PM
Apparently he’d broken a female coppers nose earlier.

Shindig
24-07-2024, 06:10 PM
Still, how daft you do have to be to boot in a prone, tasered suspect? Job's done.

Magic
24-07-2024, 06:12 PM
Still, how daft you do have to be to boot in a prone, tasered suspect? Job's done.

In full view of onlookers, nevermind filmers.

Jimmy Floyd
24-07-2024, 06:30 PM
leev im alone
ee didn't do anyfing

Lewis
24-07-2024, 07:07 PM
The policeman looks about ten stone himself, which leads us back to the point about crap coppering being down to weedy coppers.

Spikey M
24-07-2024, 07:13 PM
You haven't seen him dance at the carnival though.

Ben
24-07-2024, 07:27 PM
Well that's him done.

Yevrah
24-07-2024, 07:33 PM
The policeman looks about ten stone himself, which leads us back to the point about crap coppering being down to weedy coppers.

On that note the blonde female copper must be about four foot ten.

niko_cee
24-07-2024, 07:49 PM
I have to say, I love the constant pretence among the horsing establishment that beating a horse isn’t the best way to get it to do what you want and that none of its horsing members are indulging in said beating.

Having seen the video I'd be amazed if every single person involved in the business of training horses to dance doesn't do the same. Looked tame AF. Not a patch on the horse puncher.

Yevrah
24-07-2024, 07:55 PM
Having seen the video I'd be amazed if every single person involved in the business of training horses to dance doesn't do the same. Looked tame AF. Not a patch on the horse puncher.

Quite. It's the cognitive dissonance on show from almost all involved (campaigners, horsing people, whoever) that I really struggle with. I mean, how the fuck are you supposed to get a horse to dance and do all that other shit without slapping/beating it? It's a fucking horse for Christ's sake, you can't reason with the sodding thing and it's fucking huge. Which isn't to say I'm supporting physical cruelty to animals, more that it's staggering that the horsing people are pretending it isn't widerife and the anti-horsing people don't get that it's widerife.

Yevrah
24-07-2024, 08:01 PM
And I think on a wider point it plays into Jim's constant bemusement when he posts another insane animal story - we, as a society, have an incredibly confused approach to animals. It's ok to kill and eat some, but not hit/tap others. Some can be kept as pets, but others you'd be seen as mental/breaking the law for doing so. Some can be involved in assisting humans, but others absolutely cannot (I'm thinking guide dog vs. sending a monkey up a tree to get coconuts with this one). Some are allowed to be used in some sports but others absolutely cannot be used in other sports.

It's all just a mess, with every pro doing bad things to animal body completely realising their particular animal usage is on borrowed time but fighting tooth and nail to keep it going. The meetings behind closed doors must be fascinating.

Manc
24-07-2024, 10:02 PM
On that note the blonde female copper must be about four foot ten.

Silly wimmin.

-james-
24-07-2024, 10:05 PM
It's ok to kill and eat some

(it's not)

Spikey M
24-07-2024, 10:06 PM
(It is)

Jimmy Floyd
25-07-2024, 07:25 AM
There's far too much emotion involved when it comes to animals. All it takes is a slight readjustment to the socio-economic settlement and we'll be back to stealing next door's labrador for an impromptu stew. 'Look east', they say, marvelling at the productivity of Asian society. Let's start boiling birds alive like them.

Giggles
25-07-2024, 07:41 AM
If we didn't eat some of them then they wouldn't exist any more.

Magic
25-07-2024, 07:52 AM
If we didn't eat some of them then they wouldn't exist any more.

Correct, fuck cows, sheep pigs and chicken. Pointless animals.

Spikey M
25-07-2024, 08:09 AM
If we didn't eat some of them then they wouldn't exist any more.

I have had to have this exact conversation with my daughter after she asked why we eat Animals. It turns out one of her friends at school is a vegetarian, so she went in the next day and said "my dad said we eat animals because we are omnivores. That's why we have both these teeth *points at canines* and these teeth *points at molars* and if we stopped eating animals, the farmers would just kill them all. They aren't pets".

She got a "red card" for that. Her first ever one. And I got called over at pick up time. So I asked what part of what she said was incorrect. "It wasn't wrong, just not age appropriate". How can discussion of being vegetarian be appropriate, without arguments against it being allowed? Radio silence.

"Look, I'm just saying, they're not ready to hear about animals being killed". Well your dickhead vegetarian kid brought that up, didn't they?

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F a3a126e7-b320-45be-8e9e-6786f38bef07_968x505.jpeg

Magic
25-07-2024, 08:17 AM
Should have gone to VAR.

Pepe
25-07-2024, 11:35 AM
Spikey :cool:

Sir Andy Mahowry
25-07-2024, 11:36 AM
And Nigel De Jong's Kung Fu kick was only a yellow card.

World is getting soft.

-james-
25-07-2024, 11:40 AM
If we didn't eat some of them then they wouldn't exist any more.

Do you mean that animals should be grateful that they are brought into existence only to spend their lives being tortured and then slaughtered?

Jimmy Floyd
25-07-2024, 11:54 AM
Animals aren't capable of being grateful, it's what makes them animals.

-james-
25-07-2024, 12:01 PM
No, but they are capable of feeling pain. You're almost there with equating how we treat dogs and how we treat cows. Maybe it should go in the other direction?

Giggles
25-07-2024, 12:05 PM
Veggies are such twats.

-james-
25-07-2024, 12:27 PM
Yeah but they have a point.

randomlegend
25-07-2024, 12:29 PM
xSuffering

Sir Andy Mahowry
25-07-2024, 12:30 PM
Are you SICKENED when animals eat other animals?

Bastard shark, how dare he eat that seal!

-james-
25-07-2024, 12:44 PM
Are you SICKENED when animals eat other animals?

Bastard shark, how dare he eat that seal!

No because sharks do not possess moral agency, and because their eating a seal is an evolutionary & ecological necessity.

Spikey M
25-07-2024, 12:57 PM
James, you're going to have to get your head around the fact that most of us don't care about a chickens feelings.

-james-
25-07-2024, 01:00 PM
I've been to Tesco so I know how the world at large feels. Can't hurt to probe it every now and then.

Yevrah
25-07-2024, 01:03 PM
It really wouldn't surprise me at all if in the future we decided as a society that it wasn't ok to mass produce animals for slaughter and to be fed into our tummies as it is all a bit barbaric.

That said, they taste delicious, so not on my watch please.

Yevrah
25-07-2024, 01:04 PM
Oh and James, I have one question for you, do you eat fish?

-james-
25-07-2024, 01:06 PM
Oh and James, I have one question for you, do you eat fish?

Yeah I do but I'm not really in the habit of it. I also eat meat a few times a year.

Manc
25-07-2024, 01:11 PM
Fraud.

Spikey M
25-07-2024, 01:16 PM
What a disappointment.

-james-
25-07-2024, 01:18 PM
Yeah probably. There is some mental gymnastics involved in thinking that eating 3 meals of beef in a year is the same as 0, but not as much as if I were eating 300. You should try it, you get to take the moral high ground AND cause your taste buds to experience pleasure.

Yevrah
25-07-2024, 01:24 PM
You really don't get to take the moral high ground.

Pepe
25-07-2024, 01:27 PM
I mean, if you think doing something is bad, surely doing less of it is better than doing more of it, right? Or is it 0 = good and 1-9999999999 = bad?

-james-
25-07-2024, 01:32 PM
I mean, if you think doing something is bad, surely doing less of it is better than doing more of it, right? Or is it 0 = good and 1-9999999999 = bad?

The latter is what most vegans would tell you, I've never quite got it. If I'm at a dinner table and my host has made something involving meat then I'm probably going to have some, there's no net change. I suppose making a song and dance about not eating it is half the point.

Yevrah
25-07-2024, 01:37 PM
I mean, if you think doing something is bad, surely doing less of it is better than doing more of it, right? Or is it 0 = good and 1-9999999999 = bad?

Telling people they shouldn't be eating meat (if that's what James is doing) when he actually, you know, eats meat, is not a way to go about things. Take Lewis Hamilton as the prime and extreme example. He has a carbon footprint that I'd struggle to emulate if I discovered the power of eternal youth, and yet, there he is, telling people they're fucking the environment up.

It's bullshit of the highest order.

-james-
25-07-2024, 01:45 PM
Telling people they shouldn't be eating meat (if that's what James is doing) when he actually, you know, eats meat, is not a way to go about things. Take Lewis Hamilton as the prime and extreme example. He has a carbon footprint that I'd struggle to emulate if I discovered the power of eternal youth, and yet, there he is, telling people they're fucking the environment up.

It's bullshit of the highest order.

You are right. I would really like to go vegan but I don't think I'll ever be able to disable the part of my brain that wants that bit of cheesecake.

Spikey M
25-07-2024, 01:56 PM
I mean, if you think doing something is bad, surely doing less of it is better than doing more of it, right? Or is it 0 = good and 1-9999999999 = bad?

If I raped and killed one woman am I a better person than someone that raped and killed 100 women? I don't think so.

Dark Soldier
25-07-2024, 02:21 PM
By law of averages yes you are you did less raping

Spikey M
25-07-2024, 02:22 PM
That just makes me less greedy / efficient.

Pepe
25-07-2024, 02:48 PM
If I raped and killed one woman am I a better person than someone that raped and killed 100 women? I don't think so.

I don't know about 'better,' but certainly less bad.

Magic
25-07-2024, 03:33 PM
I don't know about 'better,' but certainly less bad.

It depends on why he stopped i.e because that's it satisfied or because he got caught.

Jimmy Floyd
26-07-2024, 09:27 AM
Back to the cow.


An incident in which an escaped cow was hit by a police vehicle is now being investigated as a criminal matter, police say.

The cow, named Beau Lucy, was struck in Staines-upon-Thames, Surrey, at about 00:30 BST on 15 June and is still recovering, Surrey Police said.

The force said as part of its investigation it had made 290 house-to-house visits, handed out 210 leaflets along the route the cow took, spoken to 75 witnesses and received more than 250 video clips.

IT'S A COW. WHO CARES.

niko_cee
26-07-2024, 09:33 AM
:D

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to contrast police spending on that matter with the latest yoof to have been stabbed.

Yevrah
26-07-2024, 10:24 AM
That is genuinely insane. What in the actual F are we doing?

randomlegend
26-07-2024, 10:36 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyx04g1eeyko




A 40-year-old man has been charged with murder following an assault outside a pub.

A man in his 30s died in hospital on Sunday evening after paramedics were called to an address in Dereham, Norfolk at about 05:00 BST.

Police later established a serious assault had taken place outside the Red Lion pub in Dereham on Saturday evening.

On Thursday, Tyrone Busch of St Withburga Lane, Dereham, was charged with murder and is due to appear at Norwich Magistrates' Court.

The provisional cause of death was given as a traumatic head injury following a Home Office post-mortem examination.

Mr Busch has been remanded in custody ahead of his court appearance on Friday.

Turns out my cousin's brain bleed wasn't a random bad luck subarachnoid from an aneurysm after all.

niko_cee
26-07-2024, 10:37 AM
Yikes.

SvN
26-07-2024, 10:57 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9e9l84geddo


The trousers feature a reinforced knee and a grow hem, handy features for childrenswear. However when the two details were put side-by-side in the listing's title, it spelled out a phrase used by racists online.

Jesus wept.

SvN
26-07-2024, 11:00 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9e9l84geddo


The trousers feature a reinforced knee and a grow hem, handy features for childrenswear. However when the two details were put side-by-side in the listing's title, it spelled out a phrase used by racists online.

1816214567023788044

Jesus wept.

Jimmy Floyd
26-07-2024, 11:01 AM
What sort of jobs do these people do that they think listing a pair of trousers online involves a 'decision-making process'?

randomlegend
26-07-2024, 11:21 AM
By pass, knee grow

Yevrah
26-07-2024, 11:23 AM
There is no hope, is there.

Sainsbury's/Argos should grow some balls and tell him to do one, but they won't.

niko_cee
26-07-2024, 11:24 AM
Presumably they've just changed it to grow hem, reinforced knee.

It was probably a marketing ploy.

I now know about the features of their trousers, and I wouldn't have without this.

Spikey M
26-07-2024, 11:39 AM
We need to go back to telling people to fuck off.

Spikey M
26-07-2024, 11:40 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyx04g1eeyko




Turns out my cousin's brain bleed wasn't a random bad luck subarachnoid from an aneurysm after all.

Jesus. Thats some month your Aunt's(?) had.

Magic
26-07-2024, 11:45 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyx04g1eeyko




Turns out my cousin's brain bleed wasn't a random bad luck subarachnoid from an aneurysm after all.

Terrifying.

Pepe
26-07-2024, 11:47 AM
Back to the cow.



IT'S A COW. WHO CARES.


Yet someone breaks into a house/car and all you get is 'oh well, what can we do.'

randomlegend
26-07-2024, 11:51 AM
Jesus. Thats some month your Aunt's(?) had.

I know right? They put their blood, sweat, tears, hearts, and souls into trying to give those boys a second chance at life :(

Manc
26-07-2024, 12:34 PM
At what age were they adopted?

phonics
26-07-2024, 02:00 PM
Turns out the one regular I liked at the shit rough pub I worked has just been charged with murdering someone at said pub.

(Not RL's cousin)

randomlegend
26-07-2024, 02:56 PM
At what age were they adopted?

I think about 4, 7 and 9? I'd have to confirm though, was a long time ago now.

Waffdon
27-07-2024, 05:48 PM
Apparently he’d broken a female coppers nose earlier.

1817241609731547423

Looks like he was somewhat justified.

Spikey M
27-07-2024, 05:51 PM
Didn't kick him hard enough.

Waffdon
27-07-2024, 06:09 PM
Now it makes sense why that lassie copper looked like she was crying in the original video. Absolutely floored

niko_cee
27-07-2024, 06:09 PM
You've got to be quite a brave pillock to be attacking coppers in an airport. There's usually a small cadre of them with machine guns around every corner.

Magic
27-07-2024, 06:11 PM
Maybe they were harassing, you don't know the context.

niko_cee
27-07-2024, 06:13 PM
Context :roflol:

Dark Soldier
27-07-2024, 06:15 PM
Shoulda hoofed the cunt for an extra point after the try. Won't make it in the game that copper.

Kikó
27-07-2024, 06:20 PM
They were proper game with the cops, not sure what they thought the out game there was considering they're in an airport. Still doesn't justify stamping on someone's head.

Spikey M
27-07-2024, 06:40 PM
Does.

randomlegend
27-07-2024, 06:51 PM
Doesn't.

Lewis
27-07-2024, 06:52 PM
Yeah fuck him. Deport the full family.

Yevrah
27-07-2024, 06:52 PM
Doesn't if it's a police officer doing it.

Shindig
27-07-2024, 06:57 PM
Again, the fella was down. Stomping on him isn't smart. The job was done. Still, don't fuck with coppers at an airport. You've got a place to be. You're not going anywhere if you're windmilling at a person in uniform.

Baz
27-07-2024, 07:11 PM
Does my head in when people comment on “street fight” videos (I watch a lot on Reddit and other places) condemning the headstomp/facekick after knocking someone down, as if there are some gentlemanly rules to fist fighting. If you’re angry enough to be fighting, you’re angry enough to try and give someone brain damage, let’s be honest.

Police officers should probably have more discipline, mind.

Giggles
27-07-2024, 07:12 PM
He gave up his right not to be kicked in the head.

Spikey M
27-07-2024, 08:25 PM
The police in this country are taken for mugs. They're a massive soft touch and put all their effort into dancing at carnivals and tackling mental health, only to be constantly accused of racism, sexism and all the other-ism's by their own management. And they do so for less than I earn.

Frankly, I think we could do with a great deal more police brutality. Especially when it comes to scumbags like this. Fuck 'em.

Magic
27-07-2024, 08:32 PM
They are generally bullies and horrible cunts. Fuck them.

randomlegend
27-07-2024, 08:46 PM
The police in this country are taken for mugs. They're a massive soft touch and put all their effort into dancing at carnivals and tackling mental health, only to be constantly accused of racism, sexism and all the other-ism's by their own management. And they do so for less than I earn.

Frankly, I think we could do with a great deal more police brutality. Especially when it comes to scumbags like this. Fuck 'em.

This is a completely insane take

You can easily kill someone kicking/stamping on their head like the police officer in this case did.

You are essentially saying you are perfectly happy with the police taking the decision to execute someone.or give them lifechanging injuries based on a heat of the moment decision as to whether said person breaches their "scumbag" threshold.

Spikey M
27-07-2024, 08:52 PM
This is a completely insane take

You can easily kill someone kicking/stamping on their head like the police officer in this case did.

You are essentially saying you are perfectly happy with the police taking the decision to execute someone.or give them lifechanging injuries based on a heat of the moment decision as to whether said person breaches their "scumbag" threshold.

If said scumbags have just assaulted them, yes, I am. Fuck 'em.

randomlegend
27-07-2024, 09:05 PM
Just in busy public places with 100 people filming? Or happy for them to have the same powers in someone's own home with only their word that the person assaulted them first? What line does someone have to cross for the police to have carte blanche to employ lethal force? If 80 year old Maude hits a copper with her handbag, can they tombstone her to death through her coffee table?

Sir Andy Mahowry
27-07-2024, 09:10 PM
If it's televised...

Spikey M
27-07-2024, 09:16 PM
Police wear body cameras for a reason.

To be clear, I'm not arguing for police brutality to be a power they're handed. Rather, that when dealing with people like these, there be an acceptance that an officer may overstep the mark in response to having just been assaulted. And in instances like that, the officer should be given the benefit of the doubt. Because, you know, fuck 'em.

Lofty
27-07-2024, 10:23 PM
Should he have kicked him when he was tasered and restrained, then tried to stamp on his head? Absolutely not.

Should one of them just immediately used deadly force the minute they started charging about grappling with people carrying guns? Absolutely, and it would have been justified (the weak as piss justification used in the aftermath of all this anyway)

I don't think anyone would be able to argue much with 'resisted/attacked armed police officers > shot and killed by armed police officers', play with feathers get your arse tickled and all that. Instead there's been a fuck around with tasers, the main geezer has forgot he isn't in afghan slotting farmers and half the internet is crying.

If anything that's the most concerning aspect to me, these clowns just thought they were somehow Thelma and Louising it out of there, the implied threat of armed officers did nothing and they were obviously confident they were never getting shot. Good job they weren't terrorists who actually wanted their guns. Needs an immediate policy review as the current policy is armed police can't use their guns unless it's an obvious terrorist attack based on that footage, seems a bit exploitable.

Boydy
27-07-2024, 11:17 PM
What actually started the whole thing?

Dark Soldier
27-07-2024, 11:33 PM
What actually started the whole thing?

From what I've heard the mother said she heard racist slang against her, lads went steaming in and pummelled someone, then police got called and this. Ain't fact, but that's what's going round.

Lewis
27-07-2024, 11:43 PM
'wott 'appened rlaight yeh was dat one off da brothers yeh...'
*finger in the air*

randomlegend
28-07-2024, 07:11 AM
Should he have kicked him when he was tasered and restrained, then tried to stamp on his head? Absolutely not.

Should one of them just immediately used deadly force the minute they started charging about grappling with people carrying guns? Absolutely, and it would have been justified (the weak as piss justification used in the aftermath of all this anyway)

I don't think anyone would be able to argue much with 'resisted/attacked armed police officers > shot and killed by armed police officers', play with feathers get your arse tickled and all that. Instead there's been a fuck around with tasers, the main geezer has forgot he isn't in afghan slotting farmers and half the internet is crying.

If anything that's the most concerning aspect to me, these clowns just thought they were somehow Thelma and Louising it out of there, the implied threat of armed officers did nothing and they were obviously confident they were never getting shot. Good job they weren't terrorists who actually wanted their guns. Needs an immediate policy review as the current policy is armed police can't use their guns unless it's an obvious terrorist attack based on that footage, seems a bit exploitable.

I would imagine the consideration they are working against here is that opening fire in a crowded airport would be very risky.

If you kill a bystander in the process of taking out a terrorist with a gun or bomb, that's justifiable. If you kill a bystander because someone started a scrap with you, probably not justifiable.

Lofty
28-07-2024, 09:36 AM
How did you know he wasn't a terrorist though? From the police perspective I mean. The whoke thing could've been a ruse. The current state of play is you can initiate a fist fight with them and won't get shot but might get hold of a sub machine gun. Try that in America.

Yevrah
28-07-2024, 09:38 AM
I don't know if most of you are just 'spoiling for a ruck', but we can't have police in this country going round dealing out retribution when they feel slighted or routinely opening fire in an airport. The justice system is there for the former and, in the case of the latter, I don't want the exciting feeling of being in an airport knowing I'm about to start the final leg of my holiday journey ruined by constantly being on the lookout for opportunities to take cover in case shit kicks off.

Yevrah
28-07-2024, 09:39 AM
Yeah, we really don't want to be using America as a benchmark for anything involving the use of guns.

Lofty
28-07-2024, 09:39 AM
Again though Yev, in this instance it could have kicked off if those lads had decided to take the tiny women's guns off them and opened fire, same outcome.

Alright then, the armed police at Italian football games.

Yevrah
28-07-2024, 09:45 AM
I'd rather we just avoided putting tiny people at the sharp end of policing - unless they have some special Mr Miyagi skills (and she clearly didn't) it's ridiculous.

Jimmy Floyd
28-07-2024, 09:49 AM
She's living her truth.

Spikey M
28-07-2024, 10:36 AM
It's like some of you don't understand the meaning of fuck 'em.

Waffdon
28-07-2024, 10:37 AM
Spikey still full of emotion after attending the rally in London yesterday afternoon

‘Tommy, Tommy, Tommy Robinson’

Spikey M
28-07-2024, 10:42 AM
Someone's got to stand up for are cuntry.

Magic
28-07-2024, 11:03 AM
From what I've heard the mother said she heard racist slang against her, lads went steaming in and pummelled someone, then police got called and this. Ain't fact, but that's what's going round.

This is correct.

Giggles
28-07-2024, 11:16 AM
:D

In the know when the story fits.

Pepe
28-07-2024, 11:33 AM
They got attacked yet managed to diffuse the situation using the tools at their disposal. Guns were not needed and stomping that asshole's head was not needed either.

Luke Emia
28-07-2024, 11:42 AM
Yeah he shouldn't be stomping on the guys head nor kicking it like a football either. The only point that would of perhaps been acceptable was if the bloke was starting to look like he was getting up.

But, this situation wouldn't have happened if there were three proper sized coppers there and not a couple of women getting their faces smashed in.

Magic
28-07-2024, 11:47 AM
:D

In the know when the story fits.

Who's justifying anything.

Magic
28-07-2024, 11:48 AM
Yeah he shouldn't be stomping on the guys head nor kicking it like a football either. The only point that would of perhaps been acceptable was if the bloke was starting to look like he was getting up.

But, this situation wouldn't have happened if there were three proper sized coppers there and not a couple of women getting their faces smashed in.

Exactly that's who the real enemy is here. And trans people.

Luke Emia
28-07-2024, 11:54 AM
Exactly that's who the real enemy is here. And trans people.

I'm not saying that at all and women policy officers definitely have a massive use. I think they are far more likely to diffuse a volatile situation than a male police office from what I saw when I worked in bars and clubs. But, when things escalate like this with someone who literally it would appear couldn't give a shit about who he hits they can be a bit of a liability. If that had been on the street and there wasn't instant backup all three of them look like they would have taken an absolutely pasting from the two blokes because the women just don't have the physicality to deal with men like that.

Although I might have that wrong as on second viewing is it the second female police officer who uses the taser? I thought it was another office off screen.

Magic
28-07-2024, 11:56 AM
I agree. If women didn't exist they wouldn't get raped either. Moaning cows.

Spikey M
28-07-2024, 12:15 PM
Going from watching torture porn to basically being Phonics inside one year is some effort.

Magic
28-07-2024, 12:18 PM
Going from watching torture porn to basically being Phonics inside one year is some effort.

And so is you turning in to Bish.

Giggles
28-07-2024, 12:18 PM
Going from watching torture porn to basically being Phonics inside one year is some effort.

A student about a week and he's fully commited to the part.

Pepe
28-07-2024, 12:21 PM
A student about a week and he's fully commited to the part.

:D

Magic
28-07-2024, 12:22 PM
Not really, I have a 12 year old daughter and the works is becoming a terrifying place for women and especially young girls. The attitudes of men is appalling.

Dark Soldier
28-07-2024, 12:26 PM
They let you on a college campus? No wonder the lasses ain't safe these days.

Spikey M
28-07-2024, 12:40 PM
Not really, I have a 12 year old daughter and the works is becoming a terrifying place for women and especially young girls. The attitudes of men is appalling.

Yet here you are crying about a man that had just pummelled a woman's head in getting a kick in the chops.

Magic
28-07-2024, 12:45 PM
Yet here you are crying about a man that had just pummelled a woman's head in getting a kick in the chops.

What? Maybe if men weren't so violent then women would quite easily be better police than men.

None of what we saw in the video is ok, just to clarify. And all the perps including the violent pig are men, of course.

Spikey M
28-07-2024, 12:47 PM
He's dying his hair blue any minute now.

randomlegend
28-07-2024, 01:11 PM
Not really, I have a 12 year old daughter and the works is becoming a terrifying place for women and especially young girls. The attitudes of men is appalling.

You posted on here about your plans to secretly film your wife's friends naked when they were getting spray tans in your house.

Magic
28-07-2024, 01:34 PM
You posted on here about your plans to secretly film your wife's friends naked when they were getting spray tans in your house.

Could you imagine. Would be like watching the Scania production line.

Baz
28-07-2024, 04:03 PM
Did he :D

Pepe
28-07-2024, 04:06 PM
He has always been awfully quiet about it. My guess is he tried and got caught.

Magic
28-07-2024, 04:09 PM
It's called attention seeking.

Giggles
28-07-2024, 04:33 PM
Same as now.

Spikey M
28-07-2024, 04:33 PM
Nobody is buying the act, Tragic.

Spikey M
28-07-2024, 07:06 PM
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeWgwhUe/

:D

Dquincy
28-07-2024, 08:20 PM
All you lot passing judgement on the policeman who put the boot in, you need to understand when the adrenaline is pumping, you can't just stop. Whilst not entirely the correct thing to do, the man is not a robot, his emotions were running high and couldn't resist a cheeky boot in the face.

Pepe
28-07-2024, 08:21 PM
How many heads have you stomped?

Dquincy
28-07-2024, 08:24 PM
Good question, none. But I've also never been in that situation.

But I have been in some limited fisty-cuffs, and oh my, was the adrenaline pumping through my veins.

Spikey M
28-07-2024, 08:30 PM
I have been on numerous home visits. Many with some pretty nasty characters. Nothing has ever happened, but I imagine I would react... poorly, to someone punching one of my female colleagues in the face several times.

Magic
28-07-2024, 09:22 PM
At least you'd have no chance of getting head stomped.

Lofty
29-07-2024, 07:04 AM
I see the nice innocent victims in all this have changed lawyers since the other footage emerged.

Meanwhile in top Ireland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czrjl2d4grgo

Shindig
29-07-2024, 08:00 AM
At least you'd have no chance of getting head stomped.

I believe the term is 'gubbed'.

Spikey M
29-07-2024, 08:23 AM
I've already been gubbed by an old man with a can, remember. Disgusting creatures these men. Y chromosome scum.

Boydy
29-07-2024, 11:10 AM
I see the nice innocent victims in all this have changed lawyers since the other footage emerged.

Meanwhile in top Ireland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czrjl2d4grgo

Some bitter old cunts will have made complaints about that because the police used to be their boys and wouldn't be celebrating anything GAA related.

Lofty
29-07-2024, 12:09 PM
Junior doctors offered 22%, how many pepper mills does that get you?

randomlegend
29-07-2024, 12:36 PM
Need to see the details but on the surface it looks a fairly crap offer.

Lofty
29-07-2024, 12:39 PM
If you turn that down public support will really disappear.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cevwgqz0x41t