The NFL Thread

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Okay, I like this a lot.

Still need an interior OL but I like big WRs.

[Dan]

Nah, N'Keal is good but his ceiling is highest because he's on the Patriots. He's not got great separation ability, but as you say he's a good runner with the ball in his hands & he can bring in some stupid catches. It'll all come down to whether he can actually separate at the next level, but I can see him having a Corey Davis-esque start to his career if things don't go his way. Then again, he's on the Patriots so of course things will go his way.

Miles Boykin is a nice upside pick for Baltimore, and Oshane Ximines could be okay for the Giants I guess. Jamel Dean to Tampa is fine by me.

[Dan]

Bills pick:
Dawson Knox

Bills are another team high up the 'good draft' list

[Dan]

Bobby Evans is a nice pick for the Rams. Could be the guy who ends up taking over from Andrew Whitworth.

Okay, we've had the first player drafted I've literally never heard of. Well done Jacksonville & Quincy Williams. Both DJ & Matt Miller haven't even bothered to grade him, and I don't think any of the internet guys have either :D He's Quinnen's brother though, apparently.

Mike Edwards to the Bucs is solid.

[Dan]

Not confirmed yet, but potentially huge news on the Carolina pick...
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It is that & I have no idea what to think.

[Dan]

Figured the Patriots would take at least one lineman after all those DTs joining the AFC East yesterday. It'll be interesting to see whether he stays at tackle or moves inside to guard.

Vikings have their replacement for Latavius now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bobby Evans is a nice pick for the Rams. Could be the guy who ends up taking over from Andrew Whitworth.

Okay, we've had the first player drafted I've literally never heard of. Well done Jacksonville & Quincy Williams. Both DJ & Matt Miller haven't even bothered to grade him, and I don't think any of the internet guys have either :D He's Quinnen's brother though, apparently.

Mike Edwards to the Bucs is solid.

Walterfootball doesn't have him in his top 500 prospects and Draftscout have him listed at safety with no rankings or anything.

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Sounds like they could have picked him up as a UDFA.

[Dan]

You have to assume they had some intel that suggested at least 1-2 other teams had r3/4 grades on him, otherwise what the fuck are they doing taking a known UDFA candidate on day two?

[Dan]

In terms of players left on the board who are likely to be in play tonight, we have:

QB:
- Drew Lock, Missouri
- Will Grier, West Virginia
- Ryan Finley, NC State
- Tyree Jackson, Buffalo

RB:
- Miles Sanders, Penn State
- David Montgomery, Iowa State
- Darrell Henderson, Memphis
- Damien Harris, Alabama

WR:
- DK Metcalf, Ole Miss (injury history & poor combine agilities)
- Kelvin Harmon, NC State
- Hakeem Butler, Iowa State
- AJ Brown, Ole Miss
- Parris Campbell, Ohio State
- Deebo Samuel, South Carolina
- JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Stanford
- Riley Ridley, Georgia
- Terry McLaurin, Ohio State

TE:
- Irv Smith Jr, Alabama
- Jace Sternberger, Texas A&M
- Dawson Knox, Ole Miss
- Kahale Warring, San Diego State
- Foster Moreau, LSU


OL
- RT Jawaan Taylor, Florida (apparently he has a knee injury that scared teams off him in R1)
- RT/G Cody Ford, Oklahoma
- OL Dalton Risner, Kansas State
- C/G Erik McCoy, Texas A&M
- C/G Elgton Jenkins, Mississippi State
- OL Michael Deiter, Wisconsin
- G Nate Davis, Charlotte
- OT Greg Little, Ole Miss

DL
- Khalen Saunders, Western Illinois
- Dre'Mont Jones, Ohio State
- Renell Wren, Arizona State
- DL/EDGE Zach Allen, Boston College
- DL/EDGE Charles Omenihu, Texas
- DL/EDGE Jaylon Ferguson, Louisiana Tech


EDGE
- Jachai Polite, Florida (bombed the combine & pro day, some attitude concerns)
- Chase Winovich, Michigan
- Christian Miller, Alabama (lots of injuries)
- Ben Banogu, TCU


LB:
- Mack Wilson, Alabama
- Blake Cashman, Minnesota
- Drue Tranquill, Notre Dame
- Vosean Joseph, Florida


DB:
- CB Greedy Williams, LSU (attitude concerns)
- CB Byron Murphy, Washington (small & not super fast)
- DB Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Florida
- DB Nasir Adderley, Delaware
- CB Julian Love, Notre Dame
- S Taylor Rapp, Washington
- CB Rock Ya-Sin, Temple
- CB Amani Oruwariye, Penn State
- DB Juan Thornhill, Virginia
- S Deionte Thompson, Alabama
- CB Sean Bunting, Central Michigan
- CB Justin Layne, Michigan State
- S Amani Hooker, Iowa
- CB Joejuan Williams, Vanderbilt
- CB Lonnie Johnson, Kentucky
- CB Trevon Mullen, Clemson


Ones in bold are still there. Plenty of bargains to be had. I knew LBs would be a mess, but I thought at least Mack Wilson would have been off the board.

[Ian]

Talk to me about Drew Lock, college nerds.

I like the sound of this DT we've taken.

[Dan]

Talk to me about Drew Lock, college nerds.

I like the sound of this DT we've taken.

He's the usual Elway QB - white, tall, mobile & has a big arm - but he's actually got a shot to be a legit starter. Really likeable guy, and it sounds like he idolises Elway, so it should be a good fit, and there was talk they'd take him at 10 so it's great value as well.

I really like Dre'Mont Jones too - he's not the greatest run defender, but he's a great option as a gap shooter & pass rusher. You should be VERY happy with the last two drafts.

[Ian]

Drafts or picks?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The analysts said that Drew Lock's NFL comparison is Jay Cutler.

So good luck with that.

[Dan]

I've updated the watch lists.

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QB:
- Ryan Finley, NC State
- Tyree Jackson, Buffalo
- Jarrett Stidham, Auburn
- Brett Rypien, Boise State
- Jordan Ta'amu, Ole Miss
- Kyle Shurmur, Vanderbilt (Giants is the obvious destination here, so I kinda expect someone to take him in R6 if they have any interest in him)

RB:
- Karan Higdon, Michigan
- Justice Hill, Oklahoma State
- Elijah Holyfield, Georgia
- Darrin Hall, Pittsburgh
- Trayveon Williams, Texas A&M
- Devine Ozigbo, Nebraska
- Myles Gaskin, Washington
- Benny Snell, Kentucky
- James Williams, Washington State
- Bryce Love, Stanford
- Rodney Anderson, Oklahoma (another guy who's hurt all the time, but one of the best in the class when he's actually able to play)
- Mike Weber, Ohio State

WR:
- Kelvin Harmon, NC State
- Hakeem Butler, Iowa State
- Riley Ridley, Georgia
- Stanley Morgan, Nebraska
- Hunter Renfrow, Clemson
- David Sills V, West Virginia
- Jakobi Meyers, NC State
- Emanuel Hall, Missouri
- Antoine Wesley, Texas Tech (Arizona to reunite with Kliff?)
- Dillon Mitchell, Oregon
- Penny Hart, Georgia Tech
- Preston Williams, Colorado State (another guy with off field/violence against women issues)

TE:
- Foster Moreau, LSU
- Dax Raymond, Utah State
- Trevon Wesco, West Virginia
- Donald Parham, Stetson (6ft 8in & build like a WR)
- Alize Mack, Notre Dame


OL
- C/G Lamont Gaillard, Georgia (my guy)
- G Beau Benzschawel, Wisconsin (like him too)
- RT David Edwards, Wisconsin (converted TE, but I think he'll end up a guard)
- G Dru Samia, Oklahoma (mean dude)
- G Ben Powers, Oklahoma
- C Sam Mustipher, Notre Dame (might go undrafted but I like him)
- C/G Ross Pierschbacher, Alabama
- C/G Hjalte Froholdt, Arkansas
- OT Oli Udo, Elon
- OT Mitch Hyatt, Clemson (widely regarded as trash, but could get drafted early today as he's a big name from a big school)

DL
- Renell Wren, Arizona State
- DL/EDGE Charles Omenihu, Texas
- Daylon Mack, Texas A&M
- Greg Gaines, Washington (likely a late pick as he's a pure nose tackle, but I like him)
- Terry Beckner, Missouri
- Ronald Ollie, Nicholls State (the guy from Last Chance U season 1, had a seriously good pro day so he's got a shot at getting drafted late)
- Michael Dogbe, Temple
- Daniel Wise, Kansas
- Kingsley Keke, Texas A&M
- Isaiah Buggs, Alabama


EDGE
- Christian Miller, Alabama (lots of injuries)
- Anthony Nelson, Iowa (massive for an EDGE at 6ft 7in)
- Wyatt Ray, Boston College
- Austin Bryant, Clemson (see Mitch Hyatt)

LB:
- Mack Wilson, Alabama
- Blake Cashman, Minnesota
- Drue Tranquill, Notre Dame
- Vosean Joseph, Florida
- Dakota Allen, Texas Tech (another Last Chance U alum - the guy who did the robbery)
- Deshaun Davis, Auburn
- Cameron Smith, USC
- David Long, West Virginia (yes, there are two David Long's in this class)


DB:
- DB Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Florida (apparently his interview were bad, but they must have been all time awful considering Jachai Polite has gone)
- CB Julian Love, Notre Dame
- CB Amani Oruwariye, Penn State
- S Deionte Thompson, Alabama
- S Amani Hooker, Iowa
- CB Mark Fields, Clemson (small & some attitude concerns, but he can play)
- S Ugochukwu Amadi, Oregon
- S Evan Worthington, Colorado
- S Jaquan Johnson, Miami
- CB Michael Jackson, Miami (shamone!)
- S Zedrick Woods, Ole Miss (ran a stupidly fast 40 at the combine that nobody saw coming)
- CB Isaiah Johnson, Houston (all time combine performance but not that good as a corner)
- CB Saivion Smith, Alabama
- S D'Cota Dixon, Wisconsin (possible UDFA but a guy to root for)
- CB Kris Boyd, Texas (the single grabbiest defender I've ever seen - remember that Brandon Browner season a few years back? He's like that)
- S Sheldrick Redwine, Miami
- CB Clifton Duck, Appalachian State (draftable just for his name)
- CB Stephen Denmark, Valdosta State (6ft 4in converted WR with great testing)
- S Marvell Tell, USC

[Dan]

Drafts or picks?

Drafts. 2018 was a great draft & this one has been one of the better ones too so far. Houston is the only one I can think of that's legitimately questionable off the top of my head though.

QB - Lock
RB - Lindsay & Freeman
WR - Sanders, Sutton & Hamilton
TE - Fant

That's a tasty offence, and Risner should be great for the line too.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We have 5 picks left (three in the 4th, 1 in the 5th and 1 in the 6th).

Got to imagine we'll target an interior OL (probably two), a MLB, a DB and then either another WR, DL or RB.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Oh and you can never rule out a TE ofc.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Day 3 is starting now.

[Dan]

Starting strong :drool:

Hakeem Butler

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This draft selection host :face:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bengals surely going QB.

[Dan]

Bengals trade up for Ryan Finley. Meh.

[Dan]

We've traded up again...

Fucking LOL :alan: He's my 20th best player in the entire class. We've crushed our first two picks.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

And got the guy you love.

[Giggles]

Why are picks being spoilered? Nobody would watch this back.

[Dan]

He might be the long term nickel guy for us after Patrick Robinson.

Marcus Williams
Vonn Bell
Marshon Lattimore
Eli Apple
Chauncey Gardner-Johnson

That's a quality set of DBs :thbup:

[Dan]

Why are picks being spoilered? Nobody would watch this back.

I'm watching a stream that's tipping the picks ahead of them being announced, so playing it safe. If Mahow's happy to have them early I'll post them unspoilered.

[Giggles]

I'm watching a stream that's tipping the picks ahead of them being announced, so playing it safe. If Mahow's happy to have them early I'll post them unspoilered.

Ah, :thbup:

[Dan]

Tampa just full on setting up a new defence this draft.


Giants pick:
Julian Love. Really nice pick for once

To be honest the picks will be coming so fast today there probably won't be much difference by the time I've managed to type the pick out.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Julian Love is a great pick there.

And I don't care Dan, I usually only refresh/post when I see the latest pick.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

PUNTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Let's go bitches.

[Dan]

PUNTER TIME :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Rich Eisen's reaction was great.

[Dan]

They're people too you know.

Kendall Sheffield is all kinds of fast, but also bad.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I like that the Redskins got their two first round picks to announce a pick.

[Dan]

Bryce Love, huh?

Love, Guice, AP & Chris Thompson all on the roster, plus Fat Rob & Samaje Perine still there (I think?).

I'm not getting these picks any quicker at this point.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Hmm, would have thought we'd target an interior OL first but I guess we really liked Justice Hill.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We did need some sort of home run guy though.

[Dan]

Yo, that's a great pick 'how. He's your very own Kamara.

[Dan]

Vikings take Dru Samia. That O-line is looking much better now with Elflein-Bradbury-Samia in the middle.

[Dan]

OH SHIT, Carolina have Brian Burns & Christian Miller :uhoh:

Speed & bend FOR DAYS.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yo, that's a great pick 'how. He's your very own Kamara.

Perfect for us really.

Gus, Ingram and Dixon are all more physical runners so it's nice to add someone who can go out there now and then and try to get some big yards.

[Dan]

Justice Hill, Hollywood & Loomar running a jet motion/triple option offence :drool:

[Dan]

Sheldrick Redwine to the Browns

[Dan]

Seahawks building a WR group of terminators with DK & Gary Jennings. Tyler Lockett is going to look like a child next to them.

[Dan]

Trevon Wesco :drool:

Benny Snell is a proper Steelers pick. He likes to refer to himself in the third person too :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Trevon Wesco :drool:

Benny Snell is a proper Steelers pick. He likes to refer to himself in the third person too :D

He would have got on well with Mr Big Chest.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Mo announcing with braille :cool:

Hero.

And we get a fucking guard \0/.

[Dan]

There's your lineman. Not as mean as Samia, but he's solid.

[Dan]

Chuck in another big, mean dude with Phil Haynes.

Yeah, R4 is the round of big, physical dudes. This is Renell Wren:

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Anthony Miller & Riley Ridley on the same team suggests Chicago are going full technician squad at WR.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Saw Iman mocked to us a lot here.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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I fucking love him already.

[Dan]

Tony Pollard is the new Tavon Austin.

[Dan]

Trayvon Mullen, Isaiah Johnson & Gareon Conley might be the biggest CB room in the league.

Great pick from the Chargers. Drue Tranquill is a super high character guy & a pretty good LB for R4. Tranquill & Derwin will own that locker room.

[Dan]

There's the second guy I've never heard of, thanks Washington.

Ugo Amadi could be Seattle's new Earl Thomas, but apparently they've announced him as a corner so that'll be interesting.

[Dan]

Patriots take Jarrett Stidham :cool:

If they follow this up with Foster Moreau...

[Giggles]

Has it got to round 5 yet so Gutekunst can draft more shit receivers to go with all the shit receivers he already has?

[Dan]

Still 6/7 picks left in R4.

Big Greg :cool: That's Suh's replacement sorted.

Well hello John Cominsky! I expected him to be a R6-UDFA guy, but this should be an interesting one to keep an eye on.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Is Iman someone who will switch to safety in the league, Dan?

I thought we'd go for someone like Deionte Thompson as we need safety depth more than CB. Or one of those tweeners who can play both.

[Dan]

Yeah, I'd imagine so. He's big, slow & likes to tackle, so he does seem more like a safety.

Speaking of Deionte Thompson, he's just gone to Arizona.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Well I guess that's why we didn't pick Thompson.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Kicker run :drool:

Let's go.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Phonetic pronunciation :D

[Dan]

Amani Oruwariye is a great value in R5, and the Bills are taking Vosean Joseph, which is another decent value.

[Dan]

With Hunter Renfrow going to the Raiders (who are smashing it so far, by the way), this is the updated watch list:

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QB:
- Tyree Jackson, Buffalo
- Brett Rypien, Boise State
- Jordan Ta'amu, Ole Miss
- Kyle Shurmur, Vanderbilt (Giants is the obvious destination here, so I kinda expect someone to take him in R6 if they have any interest in him)

RB:
- Karan Higdon, Michigan
- Elijah Holyfield, Georgia
- Darrin Hall, Pittsburgh
- Trayveon Williams, Texas A&M
- Devine Ozigbo, Nebraska
- Myles Gaskin, Washington
- James Williams, Washington State
- Rodney Anderson, Oklahoma (another guy who's hurt all the time, but one of the best in the class when he's actually able to play)
- Mike Weber, Ohio State

WR:
- Kelvin Harmon, NC State
- Stanley Morgan, Nebraska
- David Sills V, West Virginia
- Jakobi Meyers, NC State
- Emanuel Hall, Missouri
- Antoine Wesley, Texas Tech (Arizona to reunite with Kliff?)
- Dillon Mitchell, Oregon
- Penny Hart, Georgia Tech
- Preston Williams, Colorado State (another guy with off field/violence against women issues)

TE:
- Dax Raymond, Utah State
- Donald Parham, Stetson (6ft 8in & build like a WR)
- Alize Mack, Notre Dame


OL
- C/G Lamont Gaillard, Georgia (my guy)
- G Beau Benzschawel, Wisconsin (like him too)
- RT David Edwards, Wisconsin (converted TE, but I think he'll end up a guard)
- C Sam Mustipher, Notre Dame (might go undrafted but I like him)
- C/G Ross Pierschbacher, Alabama
- OT Oli Udo, Elon
- OT Mitch Hyatt, Clemson (widely regarded as trash, but could get drafted early today as he's a big name from a big school)

DL
- DL/EDGE Charles Omenihu, Texas
- Daylon Mack, Texas A&M
- Terry Beckner, Missouri
- Ronald Ollie, Nicholls State (the guy from Last Chance U season 1, had a seriously good pro day so he's got a shot at getting drafted late)
- Michael Dogbe, Temple
- Daniel Wise, Kansas
- Kingsley Keke, Texas A&M
- Isaiah Buggs, Alabama


EDGE
- Wyatt Ray, Boston College

LB:
- Mack Wilson, Alabama
- Blake Cashman, Minnesota
- Dakota Allen, Texas Tech (another Last Chance U alum - the guy who did the robbery)
- Deshaun Davis, Auburn
- Cameron Smith, USC
- David Long, West Virginia (yes, there are two David Long's in this class)


DB:
- CB Mark Fields, Clemson (small & some attitude concerns, but he can play)
- S Evan Worthington, Colorado
- S Jaquan Johnson, Miami
- CB Michael Jackson, Miami (shamone!)
- S Zedrick Woods, Ole Miss (ran a stupidly fast 40 at the combine that nobody saw coming)
- CB Saivion Smith, Alabama
- S D'Cota Dixon, Wisconsin (possible UDFA but a guy to root for)
- CB Kris Boyd, Texas (the single grabbiest defender I've ever seen - remember that Brandon Browner season a few years back? He's like that)
- CB Clifton Duck, Appalachian State (draftable just for his name)
- CB Stephen Denmark, Valdosta State (6ft 4in converted WR with great testing)

EDIT: And there goes Keke.

[Dan]

Apparently Dallas have asked Trysten Hill to sign a contract with a work ethic clause :cab:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

"I do this with every guy from a free agent to a draft pick, just my own copy of it, back and forth, front and back," Marinelli said, via Clarence Hill of the Star-Telegram . "It talks about how we play, what I ask of you in practice, day of games, all of it. I am very clear of it.

"I said to him, 'If it doesn't fit you, tell me now, because you will not be happy here. I told him to keep it, and he said, 'Coach I feel great about this.' It's just about how you play. It's a lot of different things, but how you carry yourself, how you play in our system. The effort and the want to, every snap. We're unique that way -- how hard we practice and play. I usually see that on film early with guys. He really plays hard. If you watch his tape, he really hustles. That's the passion we want in these guys."

It's just Marinelli being an idiot 'I WANT 200% 150% OF THE TIME' American.

[Dan]

Washington continuing the Alabama revolution.

[Dan]

And there goes Mack Wilson. Cleveland sweeping up some nice value in this draft.

Jets taking Blake Cashman is a steal. I know people who had a first round grade on him, but I'd have put him in R3 & felt good about it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think it's quite telling that we didn't use one of our three selections in the fourth to take Wilson. Must have taken him off our board or had him much lower.

Starting to think that we wont draft a MLB and instead scoop a star UDFA again.

[Dan]

I think it's quite telling that we didn't use one of our three selections in the fourth to take Wilson. Must have taken him off our board or had him much lower.

Starting to think that we wont draft a MLB and instead scoop a star UDFA again.

Someone like Deshaun Davis or Cameron Smith could be an option late.

EDIT:

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[Dan]

Daylon Mack is a nice pick.

And we finally see Omenihu go. I'd imagine he'll play on the interior for Houston, but he could probably replace Clowney too (although obviously nowhere near as good).

Cameron Smith gone to the Vikings now.

[Dan]

PATRIOT PUNTER!

We might even see the long snapper go at this rate.

[Dan]

And there's the next guy I've never heard of. EJ Speed sounds like a fake name, and there was even confusion whether he's a WR or a LB, so he's super under the radar.

QB RUN! Easton Stick to the Chargers is interesting, and Clayton Thorson should be a solid Nick Foles replacement for the Eagles.

[Dan]

Two punters & two kickers drafted by the end of R5 :cool:

Giants have their new big, fast WR, and Atlanta have the fourth guy I don't know. He's the first one from a big school too - Jordan Miller from Washington.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Don't forget, the Patriots TRADED UP to get one of those punters.

[Dan]

Bucs traded up for their kicker too.

Cardinals take their third WR, but still no linemen.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I had forgotten about that, what a mess they are.

Pats are probably just bored though, they always do mental things on day 3.

[Dan]

They have a billion picks anyway so they may as well chuck a couple away as they won't be able to roster everyone the draft.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:D

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[Dan]

Not sure what I want here. Kelvin Harmon or Stanley Morgan, maybe.

Not entirely sure we needed another safety but okay.

[Gray Fox]

Is Thorson any more than just taking a punt given it was R5?

We don't exactly have back up for Wentz these days and he has a tendency to die in December.

[Dan]

He's not one of the ones I watched, but from what I heard he's a solid backup/low end starter type. There was talk of him being a R3 guy, so it's decent value.

Minshew to the Jags :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Is Thorson any more than just taking a punt given it was R5?

We don't exactly have back up for Wentz these days and he has a tendency to die in December.

Here is Walterfootball's review of him:


Clayton Thorson has good potential to become a solid starting quarterback in the NFL. Clayton Thorson is very smart and has great intangibles and solid arm strength. Thorson fell to the fifth round because he struggled at times at Northwestern, but only because he was surrounded with the worst supporting cast of any quarterback in this class. Had Thorson been complemented by capable athletes, he may have been chosen in the second round. This is a steal.

[Dan]

Here's the TDN page on him. (https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/clayton-thorson)

[Dan]

Bucs traded up for their kicker too.

Cardinals take their third WR, but still no linemen.

No more :thbup:

Giants have spent four 2019 picks on CBs in this draft if you include the supplemental draft pick they used on Sam Beal.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Here's the TDN page on him. (https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/clayton-thorson)

Crabbs is clearly not a fan.

[Dan]

Jaquan Johnson is great value for R6, as is Trayveon Williams.

[Dan]

Time to get the gif of Travis Fulgham mowing a guy 30 yards downfield as a run blocker.

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Add Drew Forbes & Marcus Epps to the ??? club, and Vikings add another lineman in Oli Udo :thbup:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Trace McSorley, what a name.

[Dan]

Oh yes :drool:

He's the perfect backup for Loomar, and he's a Baker-esque personality (as is Minshew).

Marcus Green, Duke Shelley, Scott Miller & Donovan Wilson to the ??? crew.

[Foe]

Trace McSorley was so good at Penn state. Such a winner.

Really happy for him getting drafted and drafted to a spot he has a chance at. Shame the ravens are unlikeable.

Menshaw getting drafted too is class

Grier going to the panthers is proper weird. His dad will be delighted though, he's been coaching at a school in Carolina (qb1 on Netflix). Waterside or something? The place where it was the new high school programme and the qb went to wake forest (and was the starter as a freshman).

[Dan]

I didn't realise that was Will Grier's Dad.

Harmon goes at last. Washington having a good draft here.

[Foe]

Yeah, it's Oceanside rather than waterside but chad grier is his name.

Should have said earlier but I'm also gutted hunter Renfrew went to the raiders. Good he gets to work with AB but I'd have rather him be on a more likeable team.

The Seahawks grabbed burr-keiven the Washington line backer who tackled everyone and everything.

Great pick.

[Dan]

Bengals stacking up on LBs & RBs. Two good picks though. Deshaun Davis is probably a pure run stopper, but they raved about him at Auburn.

Panthers taking Dennis Daley is good value too.

We've even got a fullback drafted now :cool: It's not one of the 3/4 I've heard of either.

[Dan]

Alize Mack in the seventh is nice. Still got one pick to come as well.

Two FBs & I've heard of this one :cool: Still at least two more out there...

Dillon Mitchell this late is fantastic value.

[Dan]

LONG SNAPPER DRAFTED!!! :rave: It's not even the one I'd heard of. There are two of them!

Dakota Allen getting drafted is a great story too.

EDIT: Holy shit Dane Bruger graded SIX long snappers & the guy who got drafted wasn't one of them :D

[Dan]

I love that Ryan Succop, current Tennessee Titans kicker, has to introduce himself to the crowd in Nashville, Tennessee :D

Caleb Wilson is Mr Irrelevant. Somewhat fitting that they sign one of Josh Rosen's best targets in college with the last pick.

AND NOW THE UDFA RACE BEGINS :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

LONG SNAPPER DRAFTED!!! :rave: It's not even the one I'd heard of. There are two of them!

Dakota Allen getting drafted is a great story too.

EDIT: Holy shit Dane Bruger graded SIX long snappers & the guy who got drafted wasn't one of them :D

Who the fuck grades one long snapper let alone 6? Fuck me.

[Dan]

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Didn't take long. Imagine the throwing contests on that team :drool:

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Panthers need to stop taking players I like.

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Why did we let them get Meyers?

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Broncos with another solid pickup.

EDIT: TDN have a tracker going already. (https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2019-nfl-draft-undrafted-free-agency-tracker)

Emanuel Hall to Chicago, Stanley Morgan to Cincinnati & DaMarkus Lodge to Tampa Bay - three UDFA WRs who could become starters. Also sounds like there's confusion about whether Jakobi Meyers has gone to the Pats or Minnesota.

KC have signed Kyle Shurmur, Cody Thompson (WR) & Gary Johnson (LB), Miami got Terrill Hanks (LB) & Jonathan Ledbetter (DL/EDGE). The Saints, meanwhile, have signed a long snapper :moop:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I expect a MLB to sign with us soon, as well as some interior OL guys.

[Pleb]

This Trevon Wesco fella?

Any good? :baz:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Can't forget the DL too.

[Dan]

This Trevon Wesco fella?

Any good? :baz:

YUP. He's not a dynamic athlete, but he's a good receiver & he'll dominate the run game - his coach at WVU called him their sixth offensive lineman.

Sounds like you've signed Greg Dortch as well, who's a tiny WR that will probably just be a kick returner, but he could be a pretty good one.


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Can't forget the DL too.

That's a great pickup.

[Pleb]

So that was meant to be a Titans draft pick then?

If so then that's a fucking steal from the Jets.

[Dan]

UDFA WR updates:

- Preston Williams to Miami. The next Davante Parker :drool:
- Penny Hart to the Colts
- Falcons get Olamide Zacchaeus
- Bills sign Nick Easley
- Texans get Johnnie Dixon

All of these guys have a shot.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Also grabbed Michael Onuoha and Evan Worthington.

[Dan]

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TDN have got you covered. (https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/the-best-receiver-prospect-nobody-is-talking-about)

[Dan]

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YAAAAS :drool:

EDIT: We've also picked up Carl Granderson (EDGE, recently accused of sexual assault, not sure what's happening with that)

James Williams signing with the Chiefs is terrifying. Their UDFA class is pretty strong so far,

Browns with a couple of nice pickups in Wyatt Ray & Darrin Hall.
Jags getting Joe Giles-Harris & Saivion Smith

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

TDN have got you covered. (https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/the-best-receiver-prospect-nobody-is-talking-about)

Christian was a track and field athlete while in high school. He was the Maryland Indoor State Champion in the 55 meter with a time of 6.51 seconds.

He was timed on a stopwatch at 4.38 seconds in the 40-yard dash, meaning he is likely a low-to-mid 4.4s prospect. His explosiveness was equally as impressive, as he posted a broad jump of 10 feet and 6 inches, as well as a vertical jump of 36 inches. Those marks would be good for the 83rd and 57th percentiles among NFL wide receivers, respectively.

Seems to be what we're after these days.

[Dan]

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Sir Andy Mahowry :drool:

[Dan]

UDFA WR updates:

- Preston Williams to Miami. The next Davante Parker :drool:
- Penny Hart to the Colts
- Falcons get Olamide Zacchaeus
- Bills sign Nick Easley
- Texans get Johnnie Dixon

All of these guys have a shot.

- Seahawks continue to build the terminator death squad by signing Jazz Ferguson
- Titans get Anthony Ratliff-Williams, a converted QB who could probably still play QB as well as Ryan Tannehill

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I need to watch Last Chance U now.

[Dan]

He & Dakota Allen are two of the most likeable players that have been on the show, so it's good to see them both getting their shot.

Bears have picked up Notre Dame OL Alex Bars :moop: If he's healthy he could be a steal. Sounds like they got his teammate Sam Mustipher too.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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CJ Toogood :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

CJ Mosely's brother, Jamey, is joining the Jets.

[Dan]

- Seahawks continue to build the terminator death squad by signing Jazz Ferguson
- Titans get Anthony Ratliff-Williams, a converted QB who could probably still play QB as well as Ryan Tannehill

- Jags get Dredrick Snelson
- Bills get David Sills
- Saints have signed Lil'Jordan Humphrey

This WR class is stupid deep, in case you hadn't got the hint.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I saw some mock drafts which had the Ravens taking Lil'Jordan in the third or fourth just last week so that's a great pick up.

[Dan]

Listening to the Raiders presser & Mike Mayock has come across brilliantly. Definitely reasons to be optimistic for the future if you're a Raiders fan.

They've also picked up Te'Von Coney now, apparently.

[Dan]

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Rams now have John Kelly, Malcolm Brown, Justin Davis, Darrell Henderson & Matt Colburn on the roster behind Gurley :sherlock:

EDIT: The long snapper I'd heard of, Dan Godsil, has gone to the Bucs.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Fuck Last Chance U.

[Dan]

On to 2020 now then. (https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/way-too-early-2020-nfl-draft-mock-draft)

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

2020 is suck for Tua right?

[Dan]

Nah, I'm not convinced any of the guys next year are that much better than the guys we've had recently, and there are 4-5 of them again next year.

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This was inevitable. I'd have called it if I hadn't completely forgotten he existed because he's so shit.

[Gray Fox]

Apparently Doug Baldwin is strongly considering/already decided on retiring.

[Dan]

That's fine at this point. The Terminator Death Squad can just eat him & gain his power.

[Foe]

Not rate Justin Herbert any more?

[Dan]

I'd put the initial tiers like this:

Day 1 - Tua, Herbert, Fromm & Jacob Eason
Day 2 - Jordan Love, KJ Costello, Jalen Hurts (can't rule it out given the last two years) & Joe Burrow
Day 3/UFDA - Nate Stanley, Brian Lewerke, Shea Patterson, Jake Bentley, Felipe Franks, Sam Ehlinger, Kelly Bryant, Steven Montez, Branden Wimbush & Deondre Francois

[Foe]

Deondre Francois is interesting because he's been basically just mauled his entire college career because of Florida states lack of talent. Difficult to work out how good he really is when he's getting sacked or running for his life.

Joe burrows is a good one as he's helped make lsu relevant again in the sec. looks very composed.

[Dan]

Can’t remember for sure, but I think Francois basically torpedoed his career this year & almost declared because he knew he’d fucked FSU off too much, but then also realised he was shit & wouldn’t get drafted, so he’ll probably transfer.

Think he’s the dude who there were rumours going round about saying he’s been selling weed on campus.

He’s got no chance, is what I’m trying to say.

EDIT: Yep, FSU kicked him off the team in February for alleged domestic violence against his pregnant girlfriend :thbup:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001028890/article/giants-sixthround-pick-corey-ballentine-injured-in-shooting

New York Giants sixth-round pick Corey Ballentine was injured and a former teammate was killed in an off-campus shooting in Topeka, Kan., early Sunday morning, according to Washburn University.

The school confirmed that Washburn junior defensive back Dwane Simmons, 23, was killed in the shooting. Ballentine is expected to make a full recovery, the school said.

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport added, per a source, that Ballentine's gunshot wound is "not life-threatening" and doctors say his recovery will take "a matter of weeks."

Well played.

[Dan]

Jesus :|

Also this is annoying:

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He's got a legit chance at starting for them too, so that's a phenomenal signing on their part.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm not sure who he is but he had a legit chance at starting for us.

The LG and C spot is completely up in the air.

[Ian]

Did this already get posted?

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[Foe]

Daniel jones seems to be getting a whole lot of stick having never thrown a pass in the NFL. Remember that dak was a fourth rounder and Russell Wilson a third whilst Paxton lynch was seen as a good pick in round 1. Until you get out there and try and run the system you really shouldn't be getting hammered. Jones was a legit first round talent to a lot of teams. The Giants taking him at 6 is a shock, but it's not worthy of the ire they've received.

Just got to hope the kid is as level headed as he seems and just ignores it.

[Dan]

Yeah, I think a lot of people just feel bad for him at this point. He’s perfectly fine as a QB, (not 6 overall good, but basically as good as Drew Lock who people would have been fine with at 10), it’s just an excuse to keep shitting on Dave Gettleman & the ‘he was coached by the same guy as the Mannings’ narrative.

He probably won’t be a star, but he’s got a very good shot at being an Andy Dalton type guy who just keeps things steadily ticking over for a decade.

He’s also a great punter :cool:

[Gray Fox]

They have to have seen something they liked to have taken him there.

I think the bigger issue is their fans think they could have got Allen at #6 and then still caught Jones/Haskins at #17. Which is correct with hindsight but that's always 20/20.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jones was always going to be there at 17.

They obviously shat themselves because the Redskins were probably talking up Daniel Jones but they always had Haskins above him.

[Dan]

They seem to think there were two teams that would have taken him before 17, and to be honest if they really believe he’s their franchise guy they should probably have traded up even higher to get him because QB.

[Ian]

Most draft gradings, for qhat little they're worth at this point in time, agree with Dan that Denver had a good one.

Other than USA today who seemed to write Lock off as a bad pick because Lynch didn't prove to be up to much which means Elway will never select a good QB.

[Dan]

Great logic, that.

I’ve just remembered you paid Jawuan(?) James this summer so part of me wonders if Risner was drafted to be the new center.

Not sure how much you’ll get from Hollins & Winfree beyond depth, but the other picks are all very good & if those two hit as well it’s great. A few nice UDFA pickups too in Joe Dineen (LB), Brett Rypien (QB) & Malik Reed (EDGE).

[Bartholomert]

They have to have seen something they liked to have taken him there.

I think the bigger issue is their fans think they could have got Allen at #6 and then still caught Jones/Haskins at #17. Which is correct with hindsight but that's always 20/20.

From what I've read Broncos/Redskins/Miami were going to take him before 17. In a way it makes more sense now then it did day of, I was also reading that Daniel Jones was 1. Playing with a lingering injury for much of the 2nd half of the season, but then played incredible in Duke's bowl game / the Senior bowl (reflecting his true potential); 2. He had like 40+ dropped passes which skewed his production numbers, so that they are fairly misleading on their face.

[Dan]

The team around him was trash for sure, but if people are judging him off his box scores they’re doing it wrong.

I can’t imagine Denver taking him (apparently they had Lock as their top QB, but if that’s true Elway has monster balls for not just taking him at 10), and I’m not sure Miami would either when Rosen was still available for much less outlay, but Washington could have been an option & I guess there’s always a chance Cincy would have been interested or someone like the Patriots could have traded up.

[Dan]

Sounds like the Ravens have picked up Antoine Wesley as a UDFA. Great pickup to round out a rookie WR group with stupid upside.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2019/4/27/18520447/ravens-udfa-tracker-undrafted-free-agent-signings-2019-nfl-news-latest-breaking-baltimore

We even took a long snapper.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jaamal Charles, what a fucking idiot.

The man who kicked off the NFL thread on this board has retired.

Let's also have a moment for Pleb who must be reeling from this news.

[Gray Fox]

Let me just check I don't still have him on Fleaflicker...

[Giggles]

Really was some fucking mess.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/30/alliance-american-football-aaf-collapse-charlie-ebersol-tom-dundon

[Gray Fox]

https://i.gyazo.com/b230d7ee64eaafaa87edd4b14e2401b0.jpg


I'm drafting him #1 overall out of fear.

[John]

Those foam arms he's wearing are about as convincing as a Tesco halloween costume.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Crowell has torn his Achilles so the Raiders have re-signed Doug Martin.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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[Dan]

It'll be interesting to see how many of the AAF guys stick on a roster this season. I'm not expecting it to be many.

[Dan]

Clemson landed the #1 QB in this high school recruiting class, DJ Uiagaleilei (you can see him in the background of the second season of QB1 where he’s backing up Re-al Mitchell & comes across way better than Mitchell).

Looks like at least another 5yrs of Clemson v Alabama in the Natty...

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jason Pierre-Paul has fractured his neck in a car crash and will likely miss the whole season.

[Dan]

Ansah to the Seahawks on a 1yr deal, apparently.

[Ian]

I assume at some point somebody is going to make a documentary about the AAF and it's going to be interesting viewing.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/05/08/alliance-of-american-football-aaf-collapse-more-stories-bill-murray-marshawn-lynch

Another story that spread far across the AAF offices has Marshawn Lynch crashing the league’s quarterback draft last November at the Luxor casino in Las Vegas. According to one employee, Lynch, whose cousin Josh Johnson was the first pick in that draft, and who is notoriously media-averse, agreed to do a two-minute interview for the Alliance at that event in exchange for $5,000. But when a check was presented to Lynch, he asked that his money be delivered instead in quarters—which AAF co-founder Charlie Ebersol took seriously. In the end, 20,000 quarters were delivered to Lynch’s room and the interview apparently took place . . . but no one ever saw it. It didn’t air.


At the outset of the AAF, theoretically as enticement to join the league, players were promised “coins” that could bolster their standard three-year, $250,000 deals. A player could earn a coin, for example, by scoring a touchdown, forcing a turnover or downing the football inside the 10-yard line on a punt. You could also earn a coin for doing community service. And at the end of the season those coins (the specific value of which, players report, was never detailed) would be tallied up and calculated into a bonus.

“Guys were excited, because you could do community service once a week,” says one player. “We were thinking, Oh, this is going to be easy money.”

As speculation swirled that the league was on shaky ground, however, players started to question the value of what they were really earning. One player who led his team in coins says it was a running joke to debate their worth based on the reported financial status of the league. “Is it seven dollars, or seven hundred?” he says, making note that in initial pitches the Alliance told some players they could feasibly double their salaries with coins. “Now,” he says, “I guess I’ll just go play Monopoly and win the same amount of money.”

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Ansah to the Seahawks on a 1yr deal, apparently.

He was heavily mooted to us but I'm glad the Seahawks came in late. I don't think he's very good and I like what we've got.

[Dan]

Telvin Smith has decided to sit out the upcoming season to 'get his world in order'. Hopefully he's okay. Still not a good reason to draft Quincy Williams in the third though.

Oh, and Benjamin Watson has come out of retirement to catch 10 TDs for the Patriots.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What does he mean by that?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Dolphins have given Xavien Howard a 5 year $76.5m deal with $46m guaranteed.

Seahawks have cut Baldwin and Chancellor with failed physical designations and both are rumoured to announced their retirements.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Our new pass rusher, Jaylon Ferguson has a new daughter. Her name? Jrea Oneis Ferguson

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jets have fired their GM.

[Dan]

Lol. There was talk that he & Gase weren’t getting in already, apparently because Gase didn’t want to pay up for Bell, so he’d probably got his bags packed already.

[Dan]

Stick To Football power ranked the NFL teams on their podcast today, so I thought I'd give it a go as well:
1. Rams
2. Saints
3. Chargers
4. Patriots
5. Chiefs
---
6. Packers
7. Bears
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8. Colts
9. Eagles
10. Texans
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11. Vikings
12. Falcons
13. Browns
---
14. 49ers
15. Seahawks
16. Steelers
17. Ravens
18. Cowboys
---
19. Raiders
20. Panthers
21. Bills
22. Jaguars
23. Redskins
24. Titans
25. Broncos
---
26. Cardinals
27. Giants
28. Lions
29. Bucs
30. Jets
31. Bengals
32. Dolphins

I'm also going to throw out a couple of way too early bold predictions - 49ers & Bills get wildcards in their conferences.

This should be fun to laugh at in week two when it's already all completely blown out of the water.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Browns and Steelers above us :harold:

[Giggles]

Browns and Steelers above us :harold:

They have something resembling an NFL QB even at this stage.

[Dan]

Browns and Steelers above us :harold:

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all three teams went 9-7 this year, so you can pretty much put them in any order.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They have something resembling an NFL QB even at this stage.

One of those teams have lost a lot of big players and the other haven't had a winning season since 2007.

[Dan]

Sounds like Darron Lee has been traded to KC for a sixth rounder.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Patrick Peterson has been banned for 6 games.

https://media.tenor.com/images/1c59e5c3e93fa59e5d6c5af193db18bb/tenor.gif

The six-game suspension on a player's first violation stems from a positive test plus an attempt to manipulate or mask the result.

I wonder how he tried to mask the result.

[Dan]

Oh Pat :face:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We've signed Michael Floyd, Pernell McPhee (who was great for us, went and signed a HUGE contract with another team and turned to shit) and Shane Ray.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bucs have cut Gerald McCoy
Reuben 'The Bastard' Foster has torn his ACL.

[Dan]

Talk is Gerald might go to the Saints :drool: He’ll probably end up on the Patriots though.

Reuben Foster is going to end up being one of the bigger busts in recent memory given all he’s done is be injured and/or suspended since his rookie season.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7054051/Baltimore-Ravens-Hayden-Hurst-looking-one-got-away-Twitter.html

Calm down mate.

[Dan]

Bucs have cut Gerald McCoy
Reuben 'The Bastard' Foster has torn his ACL.

They've replaced him with Suh for a year.

[Gray Fox]

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Rodgers hates Game of Thrones ending too.

[Giggles]

Bart Starr has died.

[Dan]

Richie Incognito to the Raiders. God I hope they’re on Hard Knocks and/or All Or Nothing this season :drool:

[John]

OBJ's orange Rolls Royce with the little stauette of himself in a Browns kit rising out of the front in place of the angel is one of the most vulgar things I've ever seen, and I could not love it more.

[Dan]

Bucs have cut Gerald McCoy
Reuben 'The Bastard' Foster has torn his ACL.

He's gone to the Panthers :uhoh: That front seven could be nasty this year.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Seems to have come out of nowhere as it looked like it was between the Browns and Ravens.

[Dan]

It’s only a 1yr, $10.5m deal with $4m guaranteed too, so he must really think Carolina have a shot this year (or he must have really wanted to play against the Bucs twice).

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001032686/article/patriots-parting-ways-with-austin-seferianjenkins

:moop:

I thought he'd be a great sleeper this year.

[Dan]

He probably wouldn't have been even if he'd stayed on the team. The Patriots will just change their entire scheme to maximise their best players, so expect basically fuck all from the TEs & loads of work for the Edelman & all the RBs with Harry being the closest thing to a Gronk replacement.

Anyway, apparently Trent Williams wants to be traded as he's mad about how the team handled his injury. He's one of the best LTs in the league, so there should be some decent offers incoming. Probably not from Houston, Arizona or Seattle though, since they seem to love having a bad O-line. I wonder if someone like the Jets or Dolphins might make a play for him. Browns would be wise to see if they can make it work too.

[Dan]

Anyway, apparently Trent Williams wants to be traded as he's mad about how the team handled his injury. He's one of the best LTs in the league, so there should be some decent offers incoming. Probably not from Houston, Arizona or Seattle though, since they seem to love having a bad O-line. I wonder if someone like the Jets or Dolphins might make a play for him. Browns would be wise to see if they can make it work too.

Even more so now that they’ve just waived Desmond Harrison.

[Gray Fox]

Wentz extended. 4 more years, $154m. Paid.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Are the physios paid a percentage of his salary?

[Foe]

Wentz extended. 4 more years, $154m. Paid.

Seems like a wild punt for someone that's been pretty injured, pretty regularly.

Hope it works out, but there's no nick foles safety net next year.

[Giggles]

Houston GM fired.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001033113/article/stunner-texans-fire-general-manager-brian-gaine

[Dan]

That's a pretty surprising move, but then Houston have always felt like a front office that's permanently trying to stop itself from falling apart, so I guess it kinda fits.


Seems like a wild punt for someone that's been pretty injured, pretty regularly.

Hope it works out, but there's no nick foles safety net next year.

He was also a borderline MVP candidate in their SuperBowl year & didn't actually regress that much last year. He'll probably never be an 'elite of the elite' type guys, but he's probably a top 10 QB in the league, so it's not like they're throwing big money at Jimmy G after less than half a season of games in his whole career.

[Gray Fox]

Seems like a wild punt for someone that's been pretty injured, pretty regularly.

Hope it works out, but there's no nick foles safety net next year.

They must be pretty happy with his health, or have some heavy safety nets in that contract to hand him all that money with this in mind.

The Foles point worries me though. Wentz has been great and lead us to the play-offs in 2 of his 3 years. However he's not been there to enjoy that. Foles was the perfect back up(I also think the team plays much better with him as QB). We should make the play-offs again this coming season, but we're all going to be holding our breath after every sack he takes.

[Ian]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/10/kellen-winslow-ii-rape-case-guilty-browns-jets-tight-end

This whole thing had completely passed me by.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

There's also raping an unconscious teenager and more lewd shit like wanking in front of old women.

I read an article last night which had a bit of Jane Doe 2's accusation. He's absolutely vile.

[Dan]

We've locked up Cam Jordan until 2023 :cool:

Oh, and there's this:

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:drool:

[Gray Fox]

And Oakland gets Hard Knocks this year.

[Dan]

Gruden, Mayock, AB & Incognito should be worth a watch alone, then you add in Josh Jacobs' story & Foster Moreau's elite whistling ability & you've got an amazing Hard Knocks.

[Gray Fox]

Don't forget Burfict too. Can't wait.

[Ian]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/13/kellen-winslow-jr-ii-crimes-rape-trial-homeless-woman-elderly

Some grim stuff.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

White also spoke on Winslow’s behalf in June, when Winslow allegedly entered an 86-year-old woman’s trailer-park home shirtless before being spotted by a neighbor, who called police. The witness confronted Winslow, who told her he was searching for his dog (a red dog named “Clifford,” Winslow reportedly told her).

I did chuckle at that though.

[Giggles]

Game Pass is getting a price hike for this season, though not much.

To be expected when it's worked so flawlessly I suppose :harold:

[Ian]

Well if they follow the Scotrail process of shit service -> price hike then the next step is -> decrease in quality of service.

[Dan]

Bengals first round pick Jonah Williams is expected to miss the whole season after surgery for a torn labrum :moop:

[Dan]

Big boy Jared passed away yesterday :(

[Ian]

No. :(

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/gwinnettdailypost.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/d1/8d124cea-9b5c-11e9-a1d6-0356e4e6f6a3/5d18f15dbb2cd.image.jpg

What a man he was.

[Gray Fox]

Well today is ruined.

[Giggles]

Ouch.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/american-football/48873612

[Giggles]

One player taken in supplemental.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001035470/article/cards-take-jalen-thompson-in-supplemental-draft

[Dan]

I've seen good things said about Jalen Thompson, and he sounds like a similar sort of player to Budda Baker - a bit undersized, but a good cover safety who could play a lot of nickel early on.

Jags have picked up the WR (Marcus Simms, West Virginia) as a UDFA to help make a bland receiver room even blander.

[Dan]

Melvin Gordon is threatening to hold out & demand a trade if he doesn't get paid before training camp (July 24th). (https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/id/27167616/agent-chargers-gordon-wants-trade-no-deal)

[Dan]

NFL owners have proposed an 18 game season, but no player would be allowed to play more than 16 games. (https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player-news/headlines/9123116)

Also, Chris Herndon has been suspended for 4 games, and Carl Granderson has been sentenced to 6m in prison (he's a UDFA the Saints signed despite knowing about the case).

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Herndon out for 4 games.

IT'S WESCO TIME.

[Pleb]

:drool:

[Giggles]

NFL owners have proposed an 18 game season, but no player would be allowed to play more than 16 games. (https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player-news/headlines/9123116)

That sounds like some can of piss.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Roster sizes would need to be raised.

Also, imagine the money a backup QB would get now they'd have to start at least twice a season.

[Giggles]

Would leave some shit in the playoffs ahead if good teams. If you'd a 5-13 standard team but 8 or 9 played the backup against them because they're 'shit' then they could easily end up an unwarranted 10-8.

The best thing about the NFL over joke sports like baseball or basketball is that about every game a team plays is important. This makes a mockery of that. Strongest available team should play every week.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Would probably make it easier for the Patriots game the entire fucking league too.

[niko_cee]

What percentage of players make appearances in every game at the moment? Always feels like everyone is on their arse after about round 10 with injuries, so to start ruling the healthy ones out too seems a bit daft.

[Browning]

I don’t reckon they’ll end up doing that. If anything they will shorten quarters to compensate for the extra games.

[John]

The Edelman doc is very good.

[Dan]

Where's this at?

I think I've found my pre-season 2020 draft crush (aside from the major names) - Trey Sermon, RB (obviously) Oklahoma :drool:

[John]

Where's this at?

It's a Showtime production, so presumably Sky will show it as part of their hype package when they're warming up for the season starting. I downloaded it.

When you see the whole story laid out it does seem like an impossibly Hollywood story, too on the nose to be real. His dad also seems like he may have been the basis for the 'work a day, stand up guy' stereotype for dads in American films.

[Dan]

Ah, that’d be why I’d not heard of it then.

[Dan]

Tyreek isn’t getting suspended at all, apparently.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Oh good, at least we now know that it's fine to break a child's arm.

[Dan]

Only if you’re good at sports.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm the next Jared Lorenzen.

[Giggles]

i'm the next jared lorenzen.

rip.

[John]

Mitch Petrus has died of heat stroke.

[Dan]

Tyreek isn’t getting suspended at all, apparently.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/20/will-the-chiefs-keep-tyreek-hill-over-the-long-haul/

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[Pleb]

Amazing.

[Ian]

He really needs some limbs broken.

[Dan]

Holton Hill, the Minnesota Vikings UDFA cornerback from the 2018 class who was know as Cypress Hill because he smoked so much weed, and allegedly failed 9 different drug tests while at Texas, has just been suspended for four games for violating the substance policy.

He was already banned for the first four games for a separate violation, so he's now out half the season for smoking weed :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Why bother trying to make a living in professional sports? It's illegal according to your contract and probably isn't going to change for a while.

[Dan]

There's talk of weed being one of the concessions in the next CBA, so he might have a shot at playing a full season at that point.

It's a shame, because he's actually really good - probably would've been a second rounder if it wasn't for weed.

[Ian]

I'm sure a man of his impressive levels of stupidity will find another way to get banned.

[Dan]

Anyone seen the new season of Last Chance U?

[Foe]

I really don't get what goes through these guys heads. You're there. You just need to hold it together for one year and you can sit back the rest of your life comfortable with at least a couple hundred k of equity in a house. But nope, would rather smoke.

Yeah, I'm watching through it. Just on the last episode.

[Giggles]

I'd no interest once they switched from the original college, though I see now they've switched from the shite third series one now too so it might be worth a look.

[Giggles]

What the fuck???

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[Dan]

Saving cap space, innit? Just throw Rashan Gary in there instead.

[Giggles]

Saving cap space, innit? Just throw Rashan Gary in there instead.

Is he not a light stand-up OLB type?

Even if not, he's a draftee. He could be absolutely terrible having never played a pro game in his life.

[Dan]

Gary's a DE/DL hybrid player with great athleticism & motor but not great pass rush technique, so 3-4 defensive end is probably the best role for him. They could rotate ZaDarius Smith in there as well, and I think they just extended Dean Lowry so he's likely to get a shot.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Won't happen but I'd love him.

Brandon Williams - Michael Pierce - Mike Daniels would be a fucking meaty front 3.

[Dan]

Won't happen but I'd love him.

Brandon Williams - Michael Pierce - Mike Daniels would be a fucking meaty front 3.

You might just need Pierce.

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[Dan]

Giants camp has opened up with Sterling Shepard breaking his thumb & Corey Coleman tearing his ACL.

You don't deserve this Saquon :console:

[Foe]

Corey Coleman has really had a rough time. Shited his way out the league almost at Cleveland. Welcomed back at ny and he's injured.

Shame for Baylor. Rg3 and Corey Coleman both crocked rather than excelling.