The Travel Thread

[Offshore Toon]

More suited for 2001/2?
Its where porkos come from.

[niko_cee]

Once you escape the airport complex (usually the time needed for you brain to adjust to everything being different) driving on the right is a piece of piss. Even driving a manual car is fine, which I thought would be more tricky (having driven automatics in the US).

[Spoonsky]

Thinking of flying on Sunday to somewhere at least moderately hot for 5 days to try and clear my head.

Algarve is popping up a bit, anywhere else I should be thinking of?

Albania.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Albania.

If they flew direct from Luton I would.

https://travel.london-luton.co.uk/destinations

Those are my options.

[Magic]

If they flew direct from Luton I would.

https://travel.london-luton.co.uk/destinations

Those are my options.

Outlandish I know but you can travel to other airports.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Outlandish I know but you can travel to other airports.

I know but Luton is only about 20 minutes away and I can get a lift for free from my Mum or a cousin.

[Shindig]

Mahow. Albania. This board.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmR8fzQjuD8

[Giggles]

Knock.

[Boydy]

If they flew direct from Luton I would.

https://travel.london-luton.co.uk/destinations

Those are my options.

Fly to Ohrid then hop over the border.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I went to La Manga last week. Don't go there.

[Magic]

I went to La Manga last week. Don't go there.

Going (very near) there next week.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The weather was nice, actually. It's all just so past its best around there. I would say it's out of season, but then in season it would be full of scummy Brits which is worse.

I went mainly to play golf but outside the courses there was fuck all to recommend the place.

[Danny]

Is Draper still in Malta? Go see him

[Magic]

The weather was nice, actually. It's all just so past its best around there. I would say it's out of season, but then in season it would be full of scummy Brits which is worse.

I went mainly to play golf but outside the courses there was fuck all to recommend the place.

San Javier.

[Giggles]

Malta is a good spot, though he's as good a reason as any to pick somewhere else.

[Spoonsky]

Draper's long gone, the coast is clear Giggles.

[Boydy]

The weather was nice, actually. It's all just so past its best around there. I would say it's out of season, but then in season it would be full of scummy Brits which is worse.

I went mainly to play golf but outside the courses there was fuck all to recommend the place.

What's golf abroad like in somewhere like Portugal? Is it really posh and fancy or is it fairly normal?

[Jimmy Floyd]

What's golf abroad like in somewhere like Portugal? Is it really posh and fancy or is it fairly normal?

Depends what your expectations are. The courses/facilities are pretty nice and have your standard golfing dress codes, but these are essentially third world regions which need your money, so there isn't the snobbery and arseholery you get at golf clubs back home. All the clientele tend to be just middle aged blokes getting away from their wives for a weekend.

I am crap at golf (don't even play to 28 most days) and I've had three very enjoyable trips now, two to Portugal and one to La Manga.

[Magic]

Disgusting time to start my holiday. :sick:

Off down to Manchester.

[Bam]

You going with the Dutchess? Why are you flying from Manchester?

[Magic]

No.

It's miles cheaper.

Also is there anything worse than arriving for a holiday at night time?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I hate arriving too early because I hate waking at like 4am to get a flight but yeah, arriving too late almost feels like you've wasted the day.

[Offshore Toon]

My mate wants to go to New York and I'm a bit worried about how much it'll cost. We'll be looking at 5-7 days and will stay in fairly cheap accommodation, while wanting to eat everything worth eating, see the things worth seeing and probably drink every night. Could somebody that has been give me a rough estimate of how much I'd need to take with me?

[Spikey M]

My mate wants to go to New York and I'm a bit worried about how much it'll cost. We'll be looking at 5-7 days and will stay in fairly cheap accommodation, while wanting to eat everything worth eating, see the things worth seeing and probably drink every night. Could somebody that has been give me a rough estimate of how much I'd need to take with me?

It used to be alright, but now our currency is a sack of shit you're looking at London prices.

[Spikey M]

No.

It's miles cheaper.

Also is there anything worse than arriving for a holiday at night time?

A few years ago we landed at 8pm, got on the coach and had a 3 FUCKING HOUR transfer to our hotel. 11pm we got there. Treated to some bread and butter on arrival.

Never done an evening flight since and we check the transfer times now. Morning flights are great, we just stay at an airport hotel the night before.

[Offshore Toon]

It used to be alright, but now our currency is a sack of shit you're looking at London prices.
That's a pain in the arse, then. No wonder the flights are (apparently) cheap. Might see if he fancies somewhere where we can live like kings for £20 a day.

[Spoonsky]

Mert I'm going to Istanbul, hit me with your knowledge

[Adamski]

That's a pain in the arse, then. No wonder the flights are (apparently) cheap. Might see if he fancies somewhere where we can live like kings for £20 a day.

Not including flights and accommodation I think we spent approx £1000 between two of us for 4 days.

[Offshore Toon]

Not including flights and accommodation I think we spent approx £1000 between two of us for 4 days.
Yeah, this ain't happening.

I'd rather save it and do a few cities over 2/3 weeks, I think.

[Adamski]

That was excessive to be fair. You could do it a lot cheaper by eating street food etc. We went to two restaurants a day pretty much.

There's also loads of guides on Pinterest etc for doing things on a budget.

[Offshore Toon]

My main interests would be eating huge sandwiches, taking the piss out of Americans and seeing how easily 'the accent' works. I imagine the latter would take up most of my money with each night out probably ranging from £50-£100 if its London prices.

[phonics]

To go anywhere good music wise it'll cost you more than that. From what I hear the only Hip-Hop clubs still going in NY are bottle service places where 90% of the dance floor has been replaced by tables.

[Offshore Toon]

Is clubbing as big in America as it is over here? I thought it was just all bars with the odd club here and there.

[phonics]

From what I understand there's no middle ground anymore. It's Dive Bars or expensive bars themed as Dive Bars and Clubs.

Combat Jack did a podcast with that guy El-P works with who owns a club in NY (Dipset? Defuse? Begins with a D) who said the whole things a nightmare because as soon as there's more than 5 black people in one place, the cops raid it.

[Offshore Toon]

Despot? I'd rather go to the dive bars, to be honest. The more expensive a place gets, the more wankers there are. Although if you slip too far down the scale the 'characters' turn into rapists.

[phonics]

Yeah Despot, it was a really interesting podcast with him and Sean P! as they talk about why NY Hip-Hop died out because the music scene died out and the rappers had nowhere to go to get better.

[Offshore Toon]

Despot isn't exactly helping by not releasing anything despite the demand being there. That's a bit shit, though. I'd kinda want to visit all the Wu-Tang places, but there's probably absolutely no point.

[Kikó]

You can eat cheap in New York if you want and avoid the main tourist bits. You can also find cheap drinks. Hotels and accommodations are going to be the bulk of the cost.

[Giggles]

When are the US bringing in the financial checks, password handover, etc?

[Offshore Toon]

I think its best to put it off. I'll probably only visit once and I don't want to half-arse it. Cheers for advice, all.

[Magic]

A few years ago we landed at 8pm, got on the coach and had a 3 FUCKING HOUR transfer to our hotel. 11pm we got there. Treated to some bread and butter on arrival.

Never done an evening flight since and we check the transfer times now. Morning flights are great, we just stay at an airport hotel the night before.

Indeed. Our next flight is leaving at 5pm and arriving at 8pm. :(

[Raoul Duke]

I'm going to err...Cambridge for the weekend. Seems cheap enough and it's pretty close to London :thbup:

[Lewis]

Cambridge is crap. It's like Lincoln without the interesting things.

[Raoul Duke]

How does it compare to Norwich? I've not been to Lincoln

[Lewis]

Norwich is better. I used to go during the week as well, so I can only imagine how many millions of Chinese idiots will be backing everything up on a Saturday.

[Raoul Duke]

Cambridge was great. Weather was awesome, which helped, of course. Went 'punting' on the river, drank some Pimms, had a couple of cracking dinners. Top, top mini-break.

[Magic]

San Pedro del Pinatar was really nice. La Manga looked dreadful even from the air so we didn't go anywhere near.

Up the coast was lovely.

[Bartholomert]

Mert I'm going to Istanbul, hit me with your knowledge

It's pretty shit now, only fun thing worth going to are soccer games IMO. Spoonsky

Where are you staying / what are you looking to do? There's a lot of places where you can buy textile 'extras' (aka slight manufacture fault branded goods), some great restaurants, some dece history / tourism nonsense. Give me some more context and I can fill you in. My grandmother lived for years in Beyoglu and had a small shop underneath the Galata Tower, right by the entrance.

[Kikó]

I'm going to Italy on Wednesday morning. Flying to Bologna then the train to Siena for a couple of nights before moving back up to Florence for two. Finishing with the last two days in Bologna.

Anyone been to any of them and have any recommendations?

[Magic]

Give me context. I know a great used hardware store in Siena.

[John Arne]

I'm off on a road trip to Ha Giang end of this week. Can't bloody wait.

http://escapology.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ha-giang-motorbike-trip-escapology-eu-36.jpg?w=690

http://north-vietnam.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/vietnam-ha-giang-ma-pi-leng-pass.jpg

[Spoonsky]

I'm going to Italy on Wednesday morning. Flying to Bologna then the train to Siena for a couple of nights before moving back up to Florence for two. Finishing with the last two days in Bologna.

Anyone been to any of them and have any recommendations?

You're a banker, go see the world's first bank in Siena. The interior of the duomo in Siena is fantastic (better than in Florence), especially the little side room. Otherwise go see St. Catherine's head and her house of birth. If you walk a bit from the cathedral with her head there's a great view on the city.

Florence is so full of things it's almost futile, you can't go wrong in two days. Boboli Gardens are meant to be really good but they close weirdly early so don't fuck up like I did. Look for the MASSIVE flocks of birds at sunset around the train station (disclaimer, may not happen every day). The Ponte Vecchio is shit but the walk downstream along the Arno is lovely in the late afternoon.

[Magic]

You're a banker

:lol:

[Spoonsky]

Giggles will eat me alive for that one.

[Kikó]

Thanks for that spoons.

[Adamski]

I watched one of Rick Steins 'Weekend in...' and it was Bologna, looked absolutely incredible.

[Offshore Toon]

:lol:
I suspect Spoonsky had his fingers in his mouth when he said that.

[-james-]

Anyone got any travel blogs or the like that they would recommend?

I like this by this Russian man who's been fucking everywhere: http://www.tema.ru/eng/travel/countries/

[phonics]

His most interesting photo of Geneva is that our Bendy Buses have two bends in them...

[hfswjyr]

Florence:
Climb the Duomo for an amazing view over Florence (like assassins creed if you've played that)
Pizza from anywhere, even cheap side stalls
See David
Walk the main drag, squares, river and bridge
Amazing nightlife (may have been a Friday night)

[-james-]

His most interesting photo of Geneva is that our Bendy Buses have two bends in them...

That doesn't sound like it reflects very well on Geneva.

He does often regress to the mundane though. I like the odd little details that he captures.

I wonder why the fuck he went to Mogadishu. Seems like completionism.

[Raoul Duke]

Florence:
Climb the Duomo for an amazing view over Florence (like assassins creed if you've played that)
Pizza from anywhere, even cheap side stalls
See David
Walk the main drag, squares, river and bridge
Amazing nightlife (may have been a Friday night)

This may be the most underwhelming city guide I've ever read

[Spikey M]

Anyone got any travel blogs or the like that they would recommend?

I like this by this Russian man who's been fucking everywhere: http://www.tema.ru/eng/travel/countries/

What a life. Must be fucking minted.

[wullie]

Just back from Paris, loved it. I was expecting a huge dirty and bustling city I'd just grumble my way around, but it seemed a lot more compact and welcoming with everything being close by, although we must have covered about 25 miles walking overall. Only there for four days, but the St Phillipe du Roule area felt like home by the end of the first.

[John Arne]

I was up at 3am today. Two hour flight and SEVEN hour bus later, just arrived in the rather stunning Ha Giang.

[Giggles]

Just back from Paris, loved it. I was expecting a huge dirty and bustling city I'd just grumble my way around, but it seemed a lot more compact and welcoming with everything being close by, although we must have covered about 25 miles walking overall. Only there for four days, but the St Phillipe du Roule area felt like home by the end of the first.

Very close to where I stayed last time. Nice area.

[wullie]

I liked La Marais too, mainly because I got to see the Pompidou which is a bucket list item. Montmartre was nice enough but felt the most tourist and pickpockety place out of everywhere we went.

[Kikó]

Siena is gorgeous. The architecture is fantastic and the front of the Duomo is probably the best looking building I've ever seen. It's truly stunning. Now in Florence and it's a hell of a lot busier which is annoying. Failed to get into the museum with David as we made no planning and hit a massive queue, ended up at the church of Santa Croce (?). Another fantastic looking place though, can't wait to tackle it properly tomorrow.

[Adamski]

Two weeks till Marbella lads :drool:

[Dquincy]

Just back from Paris, loved it. I was expecting a huge dirty and bustling city I'd just grumble my way around, but it seemed a lot more compact and welcoming with everything being close by, although we must have covered about 25 miles walking overall. Only there for four days, but the St Phillipe du Roule area felt like home by the end of the first.

Always thought it was a bit of shit hole to be honest. Liked the Notre Dame though. Also would not describe it as 'compact'.

Sorry.

[Kikó]

Finishing up in Bologna today. Great city as well and actually enjoyable because there isn't 5000 American tourists. It's been a great trip though and spiked my interest in the Renaissance. The architecture and art from this era is jaw dropping. Shame we build everything in glass now.

[Adamski]

What's been the highlight? Bologna and Florence are on my list next time I'm in Italy.

[wullie]

Sorry.

It's ok, I'm not the mayor

[Kikó]

What's been the highlight? Bologna and Florence are on my list next time I'm in Italy.

Siena. The place is delightful and not full of tourists.

[phonics]

I'm off to Berlin in a couple of weeks. Any tips?

[-james-]

Burgermeister is maybe the best burger I've had. Probably have to queue 5-10 minutes but worth it.

The Reichstag tour is pretty good.

I tend to just wander around Kreuzberg when looking for bars and stuff.

[Adamski]

Tiergarten, Berghain, Dachau, Hertha game if it's on. Currywurst anywhere.

Mitte or Kreuzberg for drinks.

[phonics]

I don't want to do any Nazi stuff. This is the beginning of a new, positive outlooking, financially capable phonics and dead Jews would just be a bit of a downer tbh.

Thanks for the other tips, any good arty districts? I've heard the city has quite a young populace so I wouldn't mind picking some stuff out to go up on the walls.

P.S. Is there an Uber like app that doesn't need a credit card like you can just pay on hand? I still don't have one from several financial crises ago.

[GS]

I'm off to Berlin in a couple of weeks. Any tips?

Worthwhile sights requiring booking / booking suggested.

1. Dome of the Reichstag - you can book in advance or there's a portacabin across the road where you can book in for the next day or two. Suggest booking in advance.
2. The top of the TV tower in Alexanderplatz - very busy, only let a few up at a time, can usually get it for the following day or queue if you wish.

Other things worth seeing:

1. Berlin Cathedral - a few Euros to get in, but very good. Can go to the dome and walk around, and has the tombs of the Hohenzollern dynasty in the crypts.
2. Various museums - they're just beside the cathedral, but the queue can be significant and you might struggle to get in. I haven't had a chance to go yet.
3. Potsdamer Platz - main eating / shopping area.
4. Charlottenburg Palace - very good. It was about 15 euros to get in with an audio guide, but definitely worth the money. The gardens in the back etc. are great (and free)
5. Prussian victory monument - just up from the Reichstag - you can go up for a couple of euro, I recall. There's gardens nearby with decent seating and food options.
6. Tiergarten - there's a huge Soviet monument to WWII here commemorating the defeat of the fascists.
7. Brandenburg Gate - this is an obvious one. The bus tours leave from here, and it's beside the holocaust memorial.
8. The former HQ of the Gestapo (I think) - the building has been demolished, but there's an exhibition etc. here. It's okay (and free) - there's an original section of the Berlin Wall outside which is preserved.
9. Checkpoint Charlie - this isn't great. The actual checkpoint itself outside is cool enough to see, but the actual museum itself is just loads of Wikipedia articles printed onto massive boards and then pinned onto walls. I wouldn't bother going in.
10. Potsdam - you can get the train down, and the lakes etc. are great
11. Sachsenhausen - train again - it's grim, but interesting to see.
12. Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church - it's at the end of the main shopping street.

You can hit the majority of these with the hop on, hop off bus tour, so I'd suggest using that as a starting point for getting around.

[phonics]

Cheers for those.

Can anyone tell by my questions that I've not actually been on holiday since I was a child? I went to Naples 3-4 years ago to visit my parents for Christmas but that's the closest to a holiday I've been on.

I've booked a four day weekend after pay day of every month for the rest of the year so the plan is to do a different country every month. Should be exciting.

I'm a big boy now.

[Adamski]

It was Sachsenhausen I meant, not Dachau but yeah.

There was a famous squat there called Tacheles which has since shut. Was decent for street art but not sure what's there now.

Kreuzberg is your best bet.

This is quite thorough : http://www.fodors.com/news/understanding-berlins-neighborhoods-5831

[Giggles]

Where's decent for basic all inclusive, where you do nothing else but lounge? Location isn't important (bar sun) but I'd pay a lot more if it has less people, especially brats.

My plan of hoping she'd forget about the honeymoon has backfired and the suggestion that I wouldn't mind if she went on a holiday with her mates didn't go down well.

[Adamski]

Syria.

[Giggles]

Syria.

5/10, but a hearty pat on the head and a chortle.

Try-hard mong.

[hfswjyr]

I don't want to do any Nazi stuff. This is the beginning of a new, positive outlooking, financially capable phonics and dead Jews would just be a bit of a downer tbh.

Thanks for the other tips, any good arty districts? I've heard the city has quite a young populace so I wouldn't mind picking some stuff out to go up on the walls.

P.S. Is there an Uber like app that doesn't need a credit card like you can just pay on hand? I still don't have one from several financial crises ago.

Uber accepts a debit card.

[Boydy]

Surely any of the usual holiday places would be fine for that? Just avoid going during school holidays.

[Giggles]

Surely any of the usual holiday places would be fine for that? Just avoid going during school holidays.

Both the facts that the wedding is in August and she's a teacher means that's not an option. What are the usual holiday places anyway? We normally do city things so haven't a clue about the regular sun stuff.

[Adamski]

5/10, but a hearty pat on the head and a chortle.

Try-hard mong.

Sorry forgot you were a fun vacuum.

Haven't been all inclusive for a while, I like exploring and eating out too much.

I reckon something like Lanzarote would be decent for it though. Like Boydy says, avoid school holidays and it's guaranteed weather.

[Giggles]

It's never meant as fun with you.

School holidays are out and Lanzagrotty is out because most of her school ends up in it religiously every summer. Apparently it's as rough as fuck anyway. What are the best resorts like that in Greece, or does Malta have any? We liked Malta before but spent a week in the built up areas.

[Boydy]

I just meant Spain and its islands, really. What about Italy? It seems like a classier destination. Although I don't know if all inclusive package holidays are as much of a thing there.

[Adamski]

Depends where you go. We were in Playa Blanca and it was brilliant. Really quiet.

Playa Del Carmen is a hole though.

Not been to Malta but have done Crete a good while ago. Chania is nice but not sure on all inclusive or busyness.

[Giggles]

Depends where you go. We were in Playa Blanca and it was brilliant. Really quiet.

Playa Del Carmen is a hole though.

Not been to Malta but have done Crete a good while ago. Chania is nice but not sure on all inclusive or busyness.

Really quiet. Those are the magic words, I'll call a few agents tomorrow about that one.

[GS]

You'd probably struggle for somewhere 'very quiet' in July and August unless it's very much off the beaten track.

[Kikó]

I can imagine Tunisia, Morocco and Turkey are quieter than normal.

[Giggles]

I can imagine Tunisia, Morocco and Turkey are quieter than normal.

Yeah, your little protege already used up that one.

[Raoul Duke]

Probably the best place I can think of is somewhere like Dubai. Probably not too full of squawking kids and has the weather/hotel combos you're looking for.

[Giggles]

Probably the best place I can think of is somewhere like Dubai. Probably not too full of squawking kids and has the weather/hotel combos you're looking for.

Don't you get your cock chopped off and 25 years in prison for holding hands there?

[Adamski]

Yeah, your little protege already used up that one.

We've had a falling out Giggles, so you can chill.

[Raoul Duke]

Don't you get your cock chopped off and 25 years in prison for holding hands there?

Only if you upgrade to the premium package

[Magic]

Try the Algarve Giggs. Especially Albafuera. Basically child and tourist free.

[Giggles]

Try the Algarve Giggs. Especially Albafuera. Basically child and tourist free.

Not sure if you're ripping the piss or not but the folks did the villa thing out there a few years and said it was a class spot.

[Magic]

You obviously come from a classy family.

[Magic]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vhp9npyrpyA/maxresdefault.jpg

[Giggles]

You obviously come from a classy family.

Of course I don't.

[John]

Albufeira is a hellscape.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My night on the strip last year will go down as one of the more interesting social experiments of the 21st century.

[Mazuuurk]

What does one do in Budapest? Going in a couple of weeks and never been.

[Pen]

Their old secret police headquartes (Stasi? I always get these mixed up) is grimm as fuck but very good and interesting. There was also a park full of old Soviet monuments a short bus ride outside Budapest that was pretty cool. The main castle area had a few nice history things as well. Actually thinking back Budapest was pretty good for historical and architectural stuff in general.

[Kikó]

Yeah, your little protege already used up that one.

Erm, they're still tourist destinations despite the unrest in parts of the country. It's the not the same as Syria you moody fuckwit.

[Mazuuurk]

Their old secret police headquartes (Stasi? I always get these mixed up) is grimm as fuck but very good and interesting. There was also a park full of old Soviet monuments a short bus ride outside Budapest that was pretty cool. The main castle area had a few nice history things as well. Actually thinking back Budapest was pretty good for historical and architectural stuff in general.

Thanks. I think I might stomach one such activity at most, basically I'm more wondering where to eat and drink and if there's any activities that doesn't involve just looking at old stuff?

[Adamski]

Have you heard of Spain?

[Mazuuurk]

Yes but I'm going to Budapest, which isn't in Spain.

[Pen]

Thanks. I think I might stomach one such activity at most, basically I'm more wondering where to eat and drink and if there's any activities that doesn't involve just looking at old stuff?

They're pretty well known for their spas I think. Food wise I think Budapest was pretty good too, but I'd advice you to look into that a bit in advance as most places didn't look that great (this might be different now as it was ages a go that I went). I quite like spotted by locals as one of the sites to look for restaurants, it's usually quite good.
http://www.spottedbylocals.com/budapest/

[hfswjyr]

Their old secret police headquartes (Stasi? I always get these mixed up) is grimm as fuck but very good and interesting. There was also a park full of old Soviet monuments a short bus ride outside Budapest that was pretty cool. The main castle area had a few nice history things as well. Actually thinking back Budapest was pretty good for historical and architectural stuff in general.

Brilliant cheers. Looking to go for a few days in May, and all of the above interests me.

[Magic]

Adam on the ropes here.

[Adamski]

:D I was just thinking to myself what a car crash your posting has been tonight but this made me lol so fair play.

PS It's Albufeira. Considering you go every year you'd think you'd know.

[Mazuuurk]

They're pretty well known for their spas I think. Food wise I think Budapest was pretty good too, but I'd advice you to look into that a bit in advance as most places didn't look that great (this might be different now as it was ages a go that I went). I quite like spotted by locals as one of the sites to look for restaurants, it's usually quite good.
http://www.spottedbylocals.com/budapest/

Alright cheers, that's good advice.

[phonics]

Hertha are playing Werder away from home that week. Shame.

[Adamski]

What about Union?

Edit: they're at home on the Friday. They're still in with a shout of promotion so could be a good game.

[-james-]

It might be the ale talking but I'm in Gothenburg and I definitely reckon I'd like living here. Haven't even been gang raped yet.

[-james-]

To elaborate, a snapshot of what i saw over 36 hours:

It's fairly compact, you can walk nearly everywhere, but there's plenty to do. Great food, great shops, great cafes. There's a huge theme park a 20 minute walk from the city center for some reason, as well as a dope science center/indoor rainforest place with snakes and sloths

The people are polite and speak perfect English. There are very few tourists.

It's clean.

I think the best thing about it is how transport works. There are barely any cars, there's never any traffic, and cars always stop for pedestrians at crossings. There are bike lanes everywhere. The trams are good as well. I think this, more than anything leads to a harmonious city experience.

I am not on commission.

[Adamski]

What made you go there? What would you say it's cost for that length of time, day to day spending wise?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm amazed places like that haven't been colonised by wanker British stag parties. I guess the expense keeps them away.

[-james-]

I was flying back from Greece and the cheapest way of doing it was via here. Obviously that was nullified by getting a hotel and the flight a day later though lol.

It's expensive but not outrageously so, probably around London prices.

Four star hotel: 700 SEK
Return ticket from airport to city center: 180 SEK
A pint of beer: 50-60 SEK
This excellent wrap (sausage, mash, berries, crispy onions etc.) http://m.imgur.com/fDxQjuy : 60 SEK
Cappuccino and a croissant: 64 SEK

[John]

Are those Goji berries?

I can't imagine how sausage, mash, and berries combine to make a satisfying wrap, but that actually looks not bad.

[-james-]

Lingonberries, like what you get in IKEA.

Another thing I noticed is that they're really not fans of cash. Public transport and two eateries i went to were card-only, so you could probably get by without entirely. Curious to see if it's worked out better or worse in terms of exchange rate.

[Pen]

I'd imagine they're lingonberries. They are used with fatty and salty meats at times around Sweden (and Finland).

All of the Northern countries would be pretty nice to live in apart from living in constant fear of rape gangs of course.

edit: And yeah, cash is shit.

[-james-]

I'd imagine they're lingonberries. They are used with fatty and salty meats at times around Sweden (and Finland).

All of the Northern countries would be pretty nice to live in apart from living in constant fear of rape gangs of course.

edit: And yeah, cash is shit.


I guess my thesis could be summarised as: Scandinavians have a high standard of living lol. Who knew.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Cash should be abolished really, but there are so many what I would call 'old school' people in this country who can't yet function without it and we have to wait for them all to die. After that, landlines should be next against the wall.

All criminals would go out of business overnight if you abolished cash.

[wullie]

Trolleys and lockers are the only things I need cash for now, and even that's ballsed up with a new pound coin coming in.

[-james-]

That PayPal instant cash transfer thing Americans use will be here by Christmas. Venmo.

I guess all transactions on such things will belong to Her Majesty but they'll just move to that. Or Bitcoin.

[Pen]

Trolleys and lockers are the only things I need cash for now, and even that's ballsed up with a new pound coin coming in.

I don't get the deal with trolleys and coins as you can just ask a cashier to give you one of those plastic things that fits there too. Why not just keep them available without any deposit? It's not like the small piece of plastic is going to make me return it.

[hfswjyr]

Cash should be abolished really, but there are so many what I would call 'old school' people in this country who can't yet function without it and we have to wait for them all to die. After that, landlines should be next against the wall.

All criminals would go out of business overnight if you abolished cash.
Yet we're still here waiting to have cheques abolished.


I don't get the deal with trolleys and coins as you can just ask a cashier to give you one of those plastic things that fits there too. Why not just keep them available without any deposit? It's not like the small piece of plastic is going to make me return it.
This totally confused me when I moved to the UK. If I wanted to steal a trolley, I'm probably not going to be overly concerned about the 1GBP.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Here's a question for you international people. Someone is coming to this country and I need to pay him money, but:

1. He doesn't have a bank account
2. I don't want to use cash

My best solution is one of those prepaid currency cards that you can get, but does anyone know a better way?

[phonics]

Pre-paid debit card is your best bet. It's what I use in the UK as my card doesn't work internationally.

[Giggles]

I got one of those (Revolut) for using abroad too but I just use it everywhere now. So handy being able to disable and enable stuff like chip&pin, online purchases, etc or even just temporarily block it just from the app. And getting the notifications too every time money goes off it makes it infinitely more useful than the one from my bank.

Jimmy Floyd, just stick it in his home account and let him figure out himself how to spend it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jimmy Floyd, just stick it in his home account and let him figure out himself how to spend it.

I would be all for that idea, except it'll take days to go between the two countries and if he starves to death that isn't an ideal situation.

[Magic]

What an absolutely lovely part of the UK this is. Love it. Will definitely holiday here at some point.

[Pepe]

Flying to College Park, MD in a few hours. Will be there until Wednesday. Hit me up for a TTH MEET.

[Magic]

Murderland? Hold me.

[Boydy]

What an absolutely lovely part of the UK this is. Love it. Will definitely holiday here at some point.

Where are you?

[Magic]

Where are you?

Romsey.

[Giggles]

We've narrowed down to Orlando, Santorini, Zakynthos, and Cinque Terra. Down to the agent to see what they can do now.

[Magic]

We've narrowed down to Orlando, Santorini, Zakynthos, and Cinque Terra. Down to the agent to see what they can do now.

Lol what is this 1992

[Giggles]

Lol what is this 1992

That's a thing? Christ. Actually, I'm not that surprised really.

If it was 1992, would you be able to fly to any of them without having a panic attack?

[Adamski]

I didn't think Santorini would be up your street.

Any of the last three would be decent I reckon.

[Magic]

Always amuses me to see a Fred and Rose West couple noncing about the Disney parks with no children. Freaks.

[Adamski]

Where are you?

Fuck sake Boydy. I was hoping no one would ask and he would keep posting about it absolutely raging that no one was giving him attention.

[Magic]

I've already said in the weekend thread so 2/10 miniJohn/Kikoprentice

[Adamski]

To which you received loads of replies.

[Magic]

I'm not a narcissist. It's not all about me.

[Magic]

New Forest is lovely though. Anyone been? I have.

[Giggles]

I didn't think Santorini would be up your street.

Any of the last three would be decent I reckon.

It'd be my least favourite looking of the lot, but then again I'd love to do a week in Dingle so it's probably best now to let her and the travel agent decide. I've shown my 'interest' by helping with the shortlist.

That said the Italian spot looks very nice, though it looks more like something we normally do rather than the resort thing. Plus there doesn't look like a place would have any fast food chains which would be a must for me in Italy.

[Magic]

Have you tried Southampton?

[Boydy]

Fuck sake Boydy. I was hoping no one would ask and he would keep posting about it absolutely raging that no one was giving him attention.
Sorry.


We've narrowed down to Orlando, Santorini, Zakynthos, and Cinque Terra. Down to the agent to see what they can do now.
I just looked up Cinque Terra and now I want to go there.


It'd be my least favourite looking of the lot, but then again I'd love to do a week in Dingle so it's probably best now to let her and the travel agent decide. I've shown my 'interest' by helping with the shortlist.

That said the Italian spot looks very nice, though it looks more like something we normally do rather than the resort thing. Plus there doesn't look like a place would have any fast food chains which would be a must for me in Italy.

I was in Dingle last year (just for a day) and it's fucking lovely, isn't it? I'd happily spend a week there.

But fast food in Italy? What?

[Reg]

Are we about to find out who the first person on Earth not to like pizza is?

[Danny]

We've narrowed down to Orlando, Santorini, Zakynthos, and Cinque Terra. Down to the agent to see what they can do now.

One of those doesnt belong :D

Cinque Terra looks lovely.

[Giggles]

I was in Dingle last year (just for a day) and it's fucking lovely, isn't it? I'd happily spend a week there.

But fast food in Italy? What?

It's a lovely place. You should try Kinsale too, it's even nicer. Definitely better for staying in anyway, we did the west coast last year and finished up there for a few days.

As for Italian food, I just don't like it. It's all wishy​ washy oily tomato and nothing has any punch in it. Pizza is ok but always a bit meh for me compared to other takeaways, but I'd still rather one with a proper American base instead of that weird dry bread they use in Italy.

[Kikó]

You've not been eating good Italian food if that's what you think it is.

[Magic]

Probably thinks Tony Macaroni is the epitome of fine Italian dining.

[Giggles]

You've not been eating good Italian food if that's what you think it is.

Well I've eaten it in a couple of places in Italy (three if you count Sicily) and I just don't like it. Greek is better in that kind of food, similar but not as bland.

[Adamski]

Italian is way down my list of favourite cuisines which seems a bit odd considering I got married in Sorrento. In saying that, the food was incredible when I was there and I do appreciate a good pizza or pasta but wouldn't go out of my way to eat it over anything I like more.

[phonics]

So I've booked everything, off on Thursday staying at some 3 star just outside of Kreuzberg. I was originally staying in the most hipster hostel back in the center of Mitte but they over-booked :moop:

[Adamski]

Did you try and get Union tickets?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The shit Italians you get over here are shit, but the stuff in Italy is probably the world's best food I think, or up there from what I've experienced.

[-james-]

Good produce, good olive oil, maybe some good cheese. Combine those and you really can't go wrong.

[Giggles]

Good produce, good olive oil, maybe some good cheese. Combine those and you really can't go wrong.

Well you can. By removing all traces of fucking olive oil.

[Adamski]

I went for the Revolut card after you mentioned it Giggles. Seemed too good a deal to pass up as I'm away to Marbella on Saturday.

Card arrived today, just checked and £800 gets you 937 euros in app compared to 904 at M&S.

Great deal and the app is brilliant too. Cheers for the heads up.

[Giggles]

I went for the Revolut card after you mentioned it Giggles. Seemed too good a deal to pass up as I'm away to Marbella on Saturday.

Card arrived today, just checked and £800 gets you 937 euros in app compared to 904 at M&S.

Great deal and the app is brilliant too. Cheers for the heads up.

Yeah it's brilliant for the likes of that and it has one of the best designed apps I've used. Because of the notifications I ordered a new ATM card and just use the Revolut for Amazon, etc now so my bank card has never been used online. I still need to order a contactless Revolut one though, as they didn't have them back when I signed up, yours should be.

[Adamski]

Had to pay the £12 to get it this quick but well worth it.

Another one coming next week for July holiday.

The £200 limit for withdrawals seems a bit on the low side. Will just change £200 into Euros first and then see how many places accept card.

[Magic]

I went for the Revolut card after you mentioned it @Giggles (http://www.thethirdhalf.co.uk/member.php?u=26). Seemed too good a deal to pass up as I'm away to Marbella on Saturday.

Card arrived today, just checked and £800 gets you 937 euros in app compared to 904 at M&S.

Great deal and the app is brilliant too. Cheers for the heads up.

Where are you going again?

[Adamski]

The Algarve.

[Adamski]

Anyone been to Zadar?

[Adamski]

Yeah it's brilliant for the likes of that and it has one of the best designed apps I've used. Because of the notifications I ordered a new ATM card and just use the Revolut for Amazon, etc now so my bank card has never been used online. I still need to order a contactless Revolut one though, as they didn't have them back when I signed up, yours should be.

Is there any point in exchanging the money in app today at todays exchange rate if I won't be withdrawing it until I'm on holiday next week? From what I can tell, I'd get a different rate when I withdraw next week anyway?

[Giggles]

I'm not sure on that as I always just top up what I need a minute or so before I use it.

[-james-]

Another thing I noticed is that they're really not fans of cash. Public transport and two eateries i went to were card-only, so you could probably get by without entirely. Curious to see if it's worked out better or worse in terms of exchange rate.

£1.25 fee for every non sterling transaction with Santander makes that a resounding no. :moop:

[phonics]

Ouch!

[Adamski]

I'm not sure on that as I always just top up what I need a minute or so before I use it.

Yeah seems the best option. I wondered if you could lock an exchange rate on a specific day but seems you can't.

[Kikó]

You'd basically be buying an option contract if you want to do that. Or a forward.

I have forever advocated just getting the Halifax travel card which allows free withdrawal and best rate on the market anyway.

[Magic]

Anyone been to Zadar?

Zadar sells Avon?

[Pen]

Anyone been to Zadar?
I will have in a month or so and can report back then.


£1.25 fee for every non sterling transaction with Santander makes that a resounding no. :moop:
That's horrendously shit. I'd change bank if I was you.

[Magic]

Zadar sells Avon?

:D

[Giggles]

:D

Did you just :D your own post?

[Magic]

Yes. Deserved recognition.

[Magic]

Did you just :D your own post?

I thought it was someone else's brilliant joke sorry.

[Adamski]

You'd basically be buying an option contract if you want to do that. Or a forward.

I have forever advocated just getting the Halifax travel card which allows free withdrawal and best rate on the market anyway.

This has free withdrawals too but it's the interbank exchange rate rather than the commercial one. Wouldn't have thought Halifax was lower than that?

[phonics]

Not into sure if it's the area round my hotel but every second place here is a kebab shop. 3.50 for a fucking Kebab though :drool:

Couldn't be sears doing anything today so going to try do something cultural tomorrow.

[phonics]

My cultural tour began and ended with the German Spy Museum which was fucking badass. In their internet section they had a giant screen where you could replace any word on a website so there's currently a giant screen of TTH in the Museum with the word 'Magic' replaced with 'Cunt' :)

I also accidentally walked into Checkpoint Charlie (traveling without internet is so much better) which was interesting for about 5 minutes.

Tonight I'm off to the Union Berlin match and then there seems to be a cool rooftop bar nearby which I'll try hit up.

Tomorrow, I'm going to kickstart my morning by watching Fast & Furious 8 in IMAX followed by heading into Kreuzberg and maybe going to Berghain though going to a massive techno rave on my own with no drugs sounds a bit shit so I might abandon that plan.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is Berghain that mental place with a tattooed David Brent on the door?

[John]

If you pay the Brandenburg Gate a visit spend a while walking around the area near it with all the embassies, there's some fun to be had with the contrast. The Russian embassy is a ridiculous building, with the hammer and sickle chiselled into the side of the building, a huge fence with painted gold eagles on it, and a load of Cyrillic text presumably paying tribute to Stalin all over the place. Then the Romanian embassy about a hundred yards away is basically someone's house with 'ROMANIAN EMBASSY' above the door. They don't even have a flag.

[Adamski]

You might not get into Berghain phonics. Certainly not on your own. Door policy is insane.

There's a really great free Walking Tour done by Sandemans I think that leaves from Brandenburg gate. 3 hours but you won't really need to do anything else major and packs in things like Hitlers bunker etc that are off the beaten track.

[phonics]

Is Berghain that mental place with a tattooed David Brent on the door?

No idea, a couple friends mentioned it and then after Adamski did I gave it a google and the first result was an article called 'Inside the sex fueled techno world of the Berghain' so I'm mostly turning up in the hope that I get my dick sucked by sloots.

[phonics]

Ps. This German food is giving me THE WORST farts. It's like living in a toilet.

[-james-]

You won't be without drugs for more than five minutes if you get into Berghain, they are more or less shoved down your throat.

Be prepared to queue for half an hour only for big Sven or his lackey to tell you to fuck off though. It is worth it if you do get in I reckon, and you stand a better chance if you're on your own/speak german/dressed all in black.

Failing that, go to Tresor, Globus or Ohm. They're all in the same massive warehouse and varying levels of drug den, but all piss on any other club I've been to outside of Germany.

[-james-]

Best off just acting completely emotionless and bored in the queue, and under no circumstances make eye contact.

[phonics]

Are they in the same area. As I mention I'm without internet so I basically have to leave my hotel hoping I find my way.

[-james-]

You could walk from one place to the other.

Tresor is right by Heinrich-Heine u-bahn. You could probably ask for directions to Berghain but you'd struggle to find it without a map I think.

[phonics]

Union Berlin was the definition of MASSIVE. Any English fans thinking that safe standing is the clearance of the road block to good atmospheres have another thing coming though. Entire atmosphere comes from a block of fans in one end and then the occasional person in the three others chips in.

[-james-]

#Zweibundesligamate

It is a great league though. Never been to a game but the crowds always look brilliant on streams.

[Giggles]

Just out of travel agents there. Down to Zakynthos, Sorrento, and some place 10km from Dubrovnik. Still not sure though, the Greek one is a fair whack cheaper than Italy but there seems to be less to see in it. I'd be afraid it would be too full of 'innits' too, though Croatia could be similar.

EDIT: Cavtat.

[wullie]

Been looking for places around Sorrento and Amalfi and none are standing out, so we're going to look at Croatia. I like the looks of the Slovenian lake places too

[Adamski]

I don't think you'll like Sorrento Giggles. Very traditional Italian restaurants etc. Food is really fantastic. That's where I got married.

Wullie give Positano a go, it's really nice.

[Giggles]

I don't think you'll like Sorrento Giggles. Very traditional Italian restaurants etc. Food is really fantastic. That's where I got married.

Wullie give Positano a go, it's really nice.

Yeah I was thinking that. Looks like it'll be Croatia then as, even though the hotel and package in Zakynthos looks the best of the lot the agent said there's lots of kids and lots of English. Never thought I'd be heading for eastern Europe for it. I'll be in Hostel 5 :cry:

[Pen]

Been looking for places around Sorrento and Amalfi and none are standing out, so we're going to look at Croatia. I like the looks of the Slovenian lake places too

Slovenia is great. We went there last year and if you have a car you can do so many different things in quite a short amount of time. I assume by lake places you mean lake Bled which is gorgeous albeit a tad small, but if you gi there you could also do quite a few other places too. Piran was great and I'd recommend going across the border to Trieste too.

[Adamski]

Paid for booze on the flight with my Revolut card Giggles. Payment went through on flight but just checked it there and it says it's been declined because I've got location based security active. You ever had that? Free booze :drool:

[Spikey M]

Until they drag you to County Court, yeah.

[Giggles]

Paid for booze on the flight with my Revolut card Giggles. Payment went through on flight but just checked it there and it says it's been declined because I've got location based security active. You ever had that? Free booze :drool:

No, but I'm going to try it :drool:

[ScousePig]

Been looking for places around Sorrento and Amalfi and none are standing out, so we're going to look at Croatia. I like the looks of the Slovenian lake places too

I stayed in a small town called Sant Agati, just outside Sorrento. Cheaper restaurants, less touristy and amazing views down to the bay. I did my excursions through here:

http://www.coopsantonio.com/mobile/en/

Dubrovnik and Split are both pretty great, especially the former although it's more touristy and expensive. Lake Bled in Slovenia is possibly the best place I've been.

[wullie]

I don't think you'll like Sorrento Giggles. Very traditional Italian restaurants etc. Food is really fantastic. That's where I got married.

Wullie give Positano a go, it's really nice.

Had a look at Positano but I think we left it a bit late to get anywhere. Looks stunning though, that's going on the list

[Adamski]

Day trip over to Capri is awesome as well. Amalfi coast is fantastic.

[Adamski]

No, but I'm going to try it :drool:

Money taken now :moop:

[Giggles]

Day trip over to Capri is awesome as well. Amalfi coast is fantastic.

That for where Wullie is going? All I can see near us is the volcano.

[wullie]

It's all in that same area so you should have it as an available option. I heard Ischia's nice too, I'd fancy a look if we end up around there.

[Giggles]

It's all in that same area so you should have it as an available option. I heard Ischia's nice too, I'd fancy a look if we end up around there.

Yeah now that I check, I see it's only 80mins from Sorrento. The Ischia one looks a bit long for me to be on a boat.

What's the site for all this stuff nowadays? Still tripadvisor? I've Google Trips installed on my phone and it's pulled up some info based on my reservation emails, but there doesn't look to be a massive pile of stuff.

[Adamski]

If you're flying into Naples I'd recommend getting the ferry over to Sorrento instead of driving round. Takes half the time and the views are incredible.

You can get the ferry from Sorrento to Capri as well and another one goes round to Positano.

Vesuvius and Pompeii are about half an hour from Sorrento as well.

Where are you staying? We had our reception in Palazzo Marziale but we stayed round the corner in La Favorita.

[Giggles]

Never knew that was an option, though I think she's already booked an airport pickup with the hotel.

That Favorita was one that the agent said, but we thought it looked too fancy and they'd only do half board also. Can't remember the name of ours, Minerva springs to mind but that could be one of the Cavtat ones we near booked.

[Adamski]

I'll try a and dig out the name of the steak place we went. There was a cracking little restaurant down at one of the wee coves as well. Delfino I'm sure it was called.

[Giggles]

Bagni Delfino?

[Adamski]

That's the one yeah. Steak place was a street behind the main square but can't seem to find it.

[hfswjyr]

Never knew that was an option, though I think she's already booked an airport pickup with the hotel.


You'll love the 2 way coastal highway that is about 1.5 lanes wide.

Do some research on ferry times for Capri. Sailings aren't as often during the day as I thought and I ran out of time.

[Giggles]

You'll love the 2 way coastal highway that is about 1.5 lanes wide.

Do some research on ferry times for Capri. Sailings aren't as often during the day as I thought and I ran out of time.

Might see can we switch the airport car to the day of departure and ferry down when we arrive.

[Adamski]

Aye the drive is terrifying if you're in bigger than a Smart car.

[Giggles]

Should have hired one :drool:

[Giggles]

Nothing above 30 degrees will definitely be nice though and the beer is no more expensive than here. If I can find that steak place, or anywhere that does proper meat, then it should be decent enough. I knew by her that she really wanted to go.

[Adamski]

You old romantic you.

[Adamski]

Nothing above 30 degrees will definitely be nice though and the beer is no more expensive than here. If I can find that steak place, or anywhere that does proper meat, then it should be decent enough. I knew by her that she really wanted to go.

http://www.meatingsorrento.com/en/

[Giggles]

http://www.meatingsorrento.com/en/

That looks good. Meat but seems to have an Italiany bit to it too.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Italians cook just as much meat as we do. Just more pasta and less fucking bread/spuds than we force down our necks.

[Magic]

The wife wants to go away for 3 days for her 30th with all her friends (Sept 2018), any recommendations?

Pre-reqs:

Cheap
Safe

#inb4jokes

[Giggles]

The Italians cook just as much meat as we do. Just more pasta and less fucking bread/spuds than we force down our necks.

Is most of it not just fatty ham?

I don't mind pasta, it's their sauces (or a pint of olive oil) that they put on it. At least with chips you add the stuff on top yourself.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Their main courses if you go to a decent Italian restaurant are usually things like chicken, beef, lamb etc as well as fish. They love their veal actually.

The most classical Italian dinner that I can think of is something like this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossobuco). Though I doubt you'd see it so much down in Sorrento.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm surprised that the mention of ossobucco hasn't set off Luca's alarm.

It's stunning.

[Pepe]

I love it. :drool:

[Raoul Duke]

The wife wants to go away for 3 days for her 30th with all her friends (Sept 2018), any recommendations?

Pre-reqs:

Cheap
Safe

#inb4jokes

Gotta be Barcelona. <2hr flight (so you're not wasting half your weekend) and it's got loads of shit to do and great bars.

[Giggles]

'Friends' or kickboxer?

[Magic]

Gotta be Barcelona. <2hr flight (so you're not wasting half your weekend) and it's got loads of shit to do and great bars.

She's already been a couple of times so that's probably off the cards. Ibiza ruled out as well thankfully.

[Foe]

Lerwick. She'll hate it.

[Pen]

Krakow was great and I'd recommend that for people like me, but I don't know how it would be like for a trip like that. Tallinn, Riga or Budapest could all be decent too.

[Boydy]

Yeah and you'll not have to worry about her cheating in Krakow because the Polish women are way, way, way hotter.

[Adamski]

"Here's how the Algarve can change your life"

[wullie]

Just booked Sorrento. The hotel is right in the harbour where that Delfino restaurant is, which looks close enough to the town to not feel isolated but at the same time not heaving with traffic. I'm going to Pompeii to see dusty dead people!

[Offshore Toon]

Yeah and you'll not have to worry about her cheating in Krakow because the Polish women are way, way, way hotter.
Never underestimate the allure of the exotic.

[Magic]

Yeah and you'll not have to worry about her cheating in Krakow because the Polish women are way, way, way hotter.

I wouldn't be worrying. Anyway we can easily survive without sleep for 3 days, right?

[Boydy]

That wasn't even me being mean about your wife btw. The Polish women are just ridiculous.

[Adamski]

Just booked Sorrento. The hotel is right in the harbour where that Delfino restaurant is, which looks close enough to the town to not feel isolated but at the same time not heaving with traffic. I'm going to Pompeii to see dusty dead people!

That's a decent little bit. That harbour has two really good restaurants. Only thing letting it down is the lack of a beach. The elevator built into the lift up from that marina is pretty cool as well.

[-james-]

Anyone know how I'd go about getting tickets for Porto - Pacos de Ferreira next weekend? Nothing on the website and viagogo is a total farce. Anyone know if we'll stand a chance if we just rock up before kick-off? I daresay it'll be a popular game?

(@Kikó ?)

How do you tag people on this? :moop:

[Jimmy Floyd]

At the ground surely, in the morning or day before. Not been to Portugal but everywhere in Spain (not the big two) seems to work like that and presumably Porto don't fill it with their 'members' or whatever for that sort of game.

[-james-]

Yeah, I suppose so, average attendance figures don't seem to indicate weekly sell-outs now that I've checked.

I was just surprised at there being none on the website and viagogo charging about 12 times what I'm paying for a night's rent for a single ticket. They really are despicable.

[Spoonsky]

When are you going Giggles? If we're there at the same time :drool:

Left Istanbul after 3 weeks. Strange city. A week would probably be perfect if you're only doing tourist things. My last day I took a ferry out to this island with no cars, filled with old horse carriages and you can rent a bike and bike around the entire island. It was incredible (and the exact opposite of the rest of Istanbul).

dino I want to go to Greece so badly now...

[Giggles]

Later in the summer.