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    Are you a gold standard man, then?

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    No, I diverge from the cranks on that one. I'm just saying that if any country could mess people around and still count on there being a queue of lenders it's the Americans.

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    The debt thing is so stupid. Why would the US need to renegotiate debt issued in its own currency?

    That is straight up the dumbest thing Trump's said this whole campaign.

    Having said that, I agree with Mert that it's foolish to write off Trump based on polling (or at all, frankly). Polls change, and they got him horrifically wrong before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    He hasn't a fucking notion. It's different getting a party nomination compared to winning an election across the whole country. Most centrists / swing voters will surely be appalled at the sort of shite he comes out with.
    Most of his appeal is with centerist / swing voters, it's the conservatives he has issues with really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Didn't 'The Donald' just say he would look at restructuring their debt (albeit in his usual piss-poor way of explaining things)? They could easily get away with that.
    The US has disgusting amounts of soft leverage it's not realizing. If Trump just did what he did best, maximize the power of his leverage through negotiation to get the best deal possible given the circumstances, it would be an absolute boon to the US economy.

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    Boondoggle, more like.

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    Is it actually the position of the Republican party to oppose all forms of abortion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Is it actually the position of the Republican party to oppose all forms of abortion?
    I don't think that party policies exist in the US the same way as they do in the UK. It might be for some Republicans, but it's not for all.

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    Ah, I see. Was just reading a bit on 'the platform' (????)

    All — including those chosen to support Trump — can vote however they want on the platform. Many conservatives say they will use that vote to keep Trump from reshaping GOP dogma against abortion, for free trade and on other issues. But presidents are not bound by their party platforms and typically ignore planks that don't fit their agenda once in office.

    Even so, a showdown could be an embarrassment he'd seek to avoid by not pushing divisive changes.

    "If the party walks away from any of its clearly cut social, family values issues, it will be an issue," said Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council and GOP delegate from Louisiana. "We're not just going to fall in line because he's the nominee."

    Trump has said he would seek to include exceptions for rape and incest to the GOP platform's opposition to abortion. He's also flouted the party platform by repeatedly criticizing trade deals and calling NATO obsolete
    And wondered if that last bit would be in any way controversial (as the artcile seems to suggest it would be)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    Eh no, just statistics:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/120839/wo...dless-age.aspx

    I think our entire fraternity had 1 democrat and 1 'moderate' and the rest were Republican/Libertarian.
    I'm not questioning the Duke survey, it's the fact that you thought the fact that they were women was at all relevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    (and most of those were probably in sororities).

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    "This is the United States government. First of all, you never have to default because you print the money. I hate to tell you. So there’s never a default"


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    Well, that's technically true, but he's still all over the place because he doesn't get to decide to print money (the Fed does) and doing so to cover debt repayments could cause all sorts of other problems.

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    The idea that the Fed would refuse to allow the US to meet its debt obligations is pretty unrealistic. They're nominally independent but their regulatory mandate is given to them by the Government.

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    Reuters credible enough for you blue hairs?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...idUSKCN0Y21TN?

    Behold the God Emperor, his reign will soon be upon us...


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    I am warming up to the idea. It is going to be tremendous entertainment, plus potentially a good test for the so-called 'checks and balances' system.

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    I'd fucking love a Trump win just for the look on Hillary's face. Also, it wouldn't actually do anyone any harm, because the Fed / joint chiefs / Bilderberg society / shape-shifting lizards actually run things.

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    Agree on nothing would actually happen. The whole 'scared of Trump' is heavily overblown.

    Imagine him in a UN meeting, or some climate summit.

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    In other polling news: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/m...lead.html#more

    There's been a lot of recent coverage of Donald Trump's embrace of various conspiracy theories, so we asked about a bunch of them on this poll to see which ones his supporters believe and which ones even they say are a bridge too far. Among voters with a favorable opinion of Trump:

    -65% think President Obama is a Muslim, only 13% think he's a Christian.

    -59% think President Obama was not born in the United States, only 23% think that he was.

    -27% think vaccines cause autism, 45% don't think they do, another 29% are not sure.

    -24% think Antonin Scalia was murdered, just 42% think he died naturally, another 34% are unsure.

    -7% think Ted Cruz's father was involved in the assassination of JFK, 55% think he was not involved, another 38% are unsure.

    And closing the loop on the greatest conspiracy theory of this election- a rare one that Trump didn't embrace- 5% of voters nationally think Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer, 18% are unsure, and 77% find Cruz not guilty of the charge of being a serial killer in diapers. So at least he has that going for him.

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    Ted Cruz is the zodiac killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Ted Cruz is the zodiac killer.
    Just saying, I've never seen Ted Cruz and the zodiac killer in the same room. Think about it.

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ry-clinton-as/

    Might be time for Bernie to call it a day. He's playing with fire without much to gain at this point. Needs to start endorsing down the ticket.

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    Nah, he has to take it all the way to the end. Fear politics can fuck right off.

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    I don't know if it's fear politics. I decried people who said the same thing back when he still had a genuine chance, but he really doesn't. I'm just not sure what the point is now.

    American elections are way too long. I'm sick of everyone, including Bernie, and rightfully so; if any other celebrity got half as much sustained news coverage people would hate them. I really don't think it's possible to be so horribly exposed to the public for 18 months and still end up well-liked. It's become a media circus. Britain has it right with six-week election cycles.

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    The point is to get as many votes as possible to show that his agenda is one with which many people agree with and one which could make a viable candidate in the future. He can also go to the convention and try to pull Hilary as much towards the left as possible (at least on paper, we all know where she is going to sway once in power.)

    Totally agree that the primaries are way, way too long. I said it before and I'll say it again: everyone should vote at the same time. Give them a couple months to campaign, have a nationwide voting day and be done with it.

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    I just don't think he has anything to prove at this point. He's won 20 states. The agenda is clearly viable. I agree about the convention, though I don't exactly understand how that will work in reality.

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    He takes it all the way on the hope that she gets indicted or that the super delegates actually do their job and pick the more viable candidate.

    Also, hark at 'crazy Bernie'.

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    "super delegates" are the biggest sham.

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    Sanders wasn't even a member of the party until recently, so I don't see why Democratic party super delegates should be rushing to support him. He's riding the party, which is fine, but that's one of the consequences of doing so.

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    Oh they won't; they exist to act as a safety should a 'radical' candidate gain any kind of traction, and promote a more viable establishment figure instead. What happens when the radical still looks a lot more viable than the chosen one? LOL. I hope he runs until the end and fucking takes the piss at the convention.

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    If the Republicans had similar safeguards, they wouldn't have ended up with Donald Trump. You can see it both ways.

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    Bernie won Oregon and they split Kentucky yesterday.

    I do wonder how Bernie would do as a third-party candidate. He pulls much more from independents (who are now a political majority in the country) than Clinton does, and probably more than Trump does. While obviously he's to the left of both of them, he attracts the working class in a way that Trump does and Clinton doesn't; in a way he's sort of a hybrid of the two. It would probably still end up with Trump in office, but it would be a fascinating election.

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    Lord Trump beating Clinton by 3 in new national poll:

    https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/statu...75738061111296

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    God Emperor trolling Elizabeth 'Pocahontas' Warren: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...ean-pocahontas

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    I see people making this god emperor reference but I don't think they realise quite what it means.

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    It's that weird crowd that are into men's rights and idolise pick-up artists.

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    And really, really enjoy using the word "cuck".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davgooner View Post
    It's that weird crowd that are into men's rights and idolise pick-up artists.
    Quote Originally Posted by Serj View Post
    And really, really enjoy using the word "cuck".
    Beta cucks detected.

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    Salon.com (Marxist Propaganda Machine) defends Trump, slams NYT and PC feminists: http://www.salon.com/2016/05/19/cami..._donald_trump/

    All Knees Shall Bend.

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    It's Camille Paglia, rather than nonce-loving Salon. The 'alt right' (or whatever it is) crowd seething over Facebook is quite lol. It's a private service, lads. They can do what they want.

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    Just seen the footage from the Nevada Democratic convention. Fuck me. Voice votes are bad enough but that was out and out fraud. The fallout is spectacular as well with the corrupt lass saying she feared for her life, and Clinton's news networks being OUTRAGED at the violence of Bernie supporters, which at this stage amounts to video of a guy picking up a chair and then putting it back down.

    Fucking laughable. These wankers deserve Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davgooner View Post
    Just seen the footage from the Nevada Democratic convention. Fuck me. Voice votes are bad enough but that was out and out fraud. The fallout is spectacular as well with the corrupt lass saying she feared for her life, and Clinton's news networks being OUTRAGED at the violence of Bernie supporters, which at this stage amounts to video of a guy picking up a chair and then putting it back down.

    Fucking laughable. These wankers deserve Trump.
    The mainstream media outlets are center-left establishment indoctrination / propaganda centers masquerading as 'news'; I'm glad even Democrats / liberals are waking up this this this reality.

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    People have been waking up for a while; their viewing figures are increasingly diabolical and their average viewer is not far off the Fox demographic. They're so obsessed with not offending people, especially the right, that they stay middle of the road on every issue and play dum, even when facts point in one way of the other. In this cycle people have had their eyes opened to the fact that this supposed 'liberal' media is comprised of massive corporations headed by millionnaire anchors, who surprise surprise haven't got much time for anything left of centre economically. CNN in particular is a fucking disgrace, should be forced to declare that their parent company is a huge contributor to Clinton's campaign, and should stop passing off Hilary staffers as 'political analysts'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davgooner View Post
    People have been waking up for a while; their viewing figures are increasingly diabolical and their average viewer is not far off the Fox demographic. They're so obsessed with not offending people, especially the right, that they stay middle of the road on every issue and play dum, even when facts point in one way of the other. In this cycle people have had their eyes opened to the fact that this supposed 'liberal' media is comprised of massive corporations headed by millionnaire anchors, who surprise surprise haven't got much time for anything left of centre economically. CNN in particular is a fucking disgrace, should be forced to declare that their parent company is a huge contributor to Clinton's campaign, and should stop passing off Hilary staffers as 'political analysts'.
    Tbf that may also have to do with the fact that anything left of center economically has been exhaustively discredited in practice.

    Although generally yes the reporting is very biased against Bernie.

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    The Ron Paul Effect. I wonder how he would have done this year.

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    As poorly as Rand I would guess.

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    Ron Paul would have been much better placed to tap into the mentals then the boy. Then again, Ted Cruz also covers the Texas-based survivalist stuff. Poor Ron Paul.

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    There were far too many options for mentals to support, and no one would have come close to the Donald.

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    He could have run a 'Bernie'-like campaign (#theRonandonly?), with pictures of him being arrested in the seventies protesting against inflation.

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    Not sure his demographic 'gets' social media. I guess he could have gone for email chains.

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