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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Yeah, along with all the other stuff.

    Like cutting the agencies tasked with investigating and preventing election interfence. You'd think Trump would be wanting to bolster such agencies given his concerns about the election he lost? Can't think of any reason he'd want to do the opposite?

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/...ning-118872391
    My ad blockers are ready. I will not let Russian Facebook ads sway me the next time an election I cannot participate in happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...-all-agencies/

    Trump's just signed this. Let's see what the courts do and what happens when Trump ignores them.

    No seizure of power, indeed.
    Not sure what the courts can do if said agencies fall within the executive. The president is the leader of the executive arm. What agencies in particular are you worried about?

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    I didn't have America nuking Kyiv before Ruzzia on my Trump Bingo card.

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    You have to think that Trump ostensibly going full madman probably helps Ukraine more than it hinders them as it is hard to ignore the fact that he appears to have entirely lost the plot in certain regards.

    As to what agencies, them making the FTC overtly political is probably going to be a big headache for BIG TECH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    As to what agencies, them making the FTC overtly political is probably going to be a big headache for BIG TECH.
    Anti-billionaires rejoice!

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    You can tell in the ostensibly on-message JD Vance quotes that he, too, thinks Trump is insane.

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    You have to be insane yourself to not think so.

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    My dad was always banging on about us being in "late stage capitalism", fucking years ago, but if anything it confirmed my assumption that it's gonna be around for the foreseeable cus he was a retarded white van man who read some Jürgen Habermas once and didn't understand it because he's an idiot.

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    From a UK perspective, the Reform silence is pretty telling. They must be crapping themselves. Keep sucking at the Trump teat, or adopt a position which YouGov this morning says is held by 3% of the British (from now on I refuse to say 'UK' ever again).

    Nigel probably has about 40 different tweets in his drafts.

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    Lol at everyone backing Trump a few months ago because he was funny and that Kamala Harris, an actual lawyer, was apparently not fit for the job.

    He's not even trying anymore... just lots of outright lies.



    - The US had committed a total of about $124 billion in military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine between late January 2022, just before the Russian invasion, and the end of December 2024; the think tank found the US had actually allocated about $119 billion.

    - The latest survey from a leading Ukrainian pollster, conducted earlier this month, found that 57% of Ukrainians said they trusted Zelensky. That was up from 52% in December – and 52% was Zelensky’s lowest wartime figure in this series of trust surveys.

    - The European Union plus individual European countries – had collectively committed far more total wartime military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine through December (about $258 billion) than the US committed (about $124 billion). Europe had also allocated more military, financial and humanitarian aid (about $138 billion) than the US allocated (about $119 billion).

    - Contrary to some viral social media posts this month, that wasn’t a confession that half of the cash that the US sent to Ukraine had vanished. In reality, Zelensky was saying exactly what experts in the US and elsewhere have repeatedly pointed out – that a large chunk of the total US budgetary “response” to the Ukraine war is not in the form of money handed to the Ukrainian government.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/19/p...ine/index.html

    Still, Trump is so funny.
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    Everyone wants a personality who connects to them as a politician. Someone who talks to them like an uber driver.

    Trump has got that down to a tee. He knows exactly how to manipulate. Begrudgingly, I'll give him credit for that. Bringing Hulk Hogan into his presidential speeches.

    In a world where most people view politicians as robots, he shoots from the hip (seemingly) and he's got many playing out of his hand.

    Other politicians need to step up. Because they're getting fucked by the biggest egotistical, gaslighter in the game. Aside from Putin of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    From a UK perspective, the Reform silence is pretty telling. They must be crapping themselves. Keep sucking at the Trump teat, or adopt a position which YouGov this morning says is held by 3% of the British (from now on I refuse to say 'UK' ever again).

    Nigel probably has about 40 different tweets in his drafts.
    Nigel's broken cover and said the electorally sensible thing.

    For the home market is what they say I think.

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    There's something I find very funny about the fact that DT has spent the last few hours locked in negotiations with... Tiger Woods.

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    Elon Musk has been wielding a chainsaw and I didn't find out about it here. Hope RL's ok.

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    Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Maybe there's a subliminal message in that.

    The sooner YR4 takes us all out, the better.
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    Lmao Steve Bannon doing the Nazi salute now and everyone cheering. What a vile place America is.

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    RL has one of TTH's great E-victories on his hands here and he's silent. He's either dead, masturbating furiously or a far better man than I am.

    Claim your title, son. Bofe sidez us. Rub our faces in it. 'Mon.

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    Someone should remind them what the Nazi ideology led to. Germany thought it was clever to piss off an Empire AND had the naivety to think Russia would let them do it. It took them into a war they couldn't win and they've been apologising for it ever since. It was a humiliation and they didn't even get to the British mainland.

    It's not a winner.

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    The whole Nazi project was a desperate toddler lash-out at the fact that Germany is doomed never to be a successful great power, due to being surrounded by enemies, complete lack of natural resources, and crap sea access.

    France have no excuse. They should be a major world power to this day but instead they sit around making cream cakes.

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    Murdering millions of us as a "desperate toddler lash out".

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    Apropos of not much I was looking at the WW2 death toll the other day and the numbers in the east were insane. Nearly 7m Ukrainians, over 16m Ruskis, China shipped 20m and were barely even in it. The numbers are completely incomprehensible in a modern context.

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    Japan absolutely filled their boots, didn't they? Crazy fuckers.

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    The Russians were arguably the most useless army in the whole thing, despite ultimately winning. Wasted millions of lives unnecessarily.

    Battle of Kursk was mental. Wiki has (this is a Soviet victory):

    Battle of Kursk:
    254,470–450,000 killed, captured or missing
    608,833–1,200,000 wounded or sick (of which 74% wounded and 26% sick)
    Total: 863,303–1,700,000 (including 710,000 combat casualties)
    6,064–7,000 tanks and assault guns destroyed or damaged (of which, 60–65% were completely destroyed)
    **1,626–3,300 aircraft (Luftwaffe claimed 4,209 Soviet planes downed)
    5,244 guns and mortars

    Germany lost only 165k in the same battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    RL has one of TTH's great E-victories on his hands here and he's silent. He's either dead, masturbating furiously or a far better man than I am.

    Claim your title, son. Bofe sidez us. Rub our faces in it. 'Mon.
    At this point I just feel like an able bodied athlete collecting medals by competing at the special Olympics.

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    Weren't the Russians under supplied and queuing up waiting for their mates to die so they could pick up a gun?

    Once the tide of war turned the red army was free to rape it's way to Berlin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    At this point I just feel like an able bodied athlete collecting medals by competing at the special Olympics.
    Trans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    China shipped 20m and were barely even in it.
    This is arguably the most mental stat. Japan was well on its way to practically eliminating China as a country before they got giddy and bombed Pearl Harbor.

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    How the fuck has Steve Bannon been unearthed? And while I was prepared to give Elon the benefit of the doubt on a first offence basis, the Banster going anywhere arm raising after Elon having done it is not afforded the same luxury.

    Reminds me of a load of kids in a playground who think they’re being edgy by finding Nazi Germany funny and is utterly pathetic.

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    Frankly I think it's a lot worse than pathetic and there's a real danger stuff like this will keep getting normalised, then they'll be too far gone to reel back in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    How the fuck has Steve Bannon been unearthed? And while I was prepared to give Elon the benefit of the doubt on a first offence basis, the Banster going anywhere arm raising after Elon having done it is not afforded the same luxury.

    Reminds me of a load of kids in a playground who think they’re being edgy by finding Nazi Germany funny and is utterly pathetic.
    No mate they are just actual fascists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    Frankly I think it's a lot worse than pathetic and there's a real danger stuff like this will keep getting normalised, then they'll be too far gone to reel back in.
    Almost like I've been saying this for years.

    All the stuff Trump/the Republicans have managed to normalise over the past few years which would've been considered insane previously; now "suddenly" they are throwing Nazi salutes and trying to dismantle the safeguards on their power (they are) and it's all "woah woah woah wait a second".

    It. Was. So. Fucking. Obvious.

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    There’s plenty of insanity the other side have been normalising. Which isn’t to excuse this current lot, far from it, but more to point out that we are definitely not living in a golden age of politics.

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    You have a brain worm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    Frankly I think it's a lot worse than pathetic and there's a real danger stuff like this will keep getting normalised, then they'll be too far gone to reel back in.
    Fair point. I would like to think that huge swathes of Trump/Republican voters would be turned off if facism is somehow normalised, but we certainly shouldn’t be risking finding out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Fair point. I would like to think that huge swathes of Trump/Republican voters would be turned off if facism is somehow normalised, but we certainly shouldn’t be risking finding out.
    We're already in the "finding out" stage. How can you not see this? Voters being turned off isn't going to fucking matter because they are quite clearly setting up to rig future elections.

    I wouldn't be remotely surprised if they rigged the last one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    We're already in the "finding out" stage. How can you not see this? Voters being turned off isn't going to fucking matter because they are quite clearly setting up to rig future elections.
    Well we’ll need to see how that plays out. Anyone can try and set up to do anything, doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. If that’s even indeed what they’re doing. An Obama would still wipe the floor with this lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post

    I wouldn't be remotely surprised if they rigged the last one.
    You literally sound like Trump now, just on the other side of the fence.

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    Not in a rigged election he wouldn't.

    Who's going to stop them? They own the safeguards at every level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    You literally sound like Trump now, just on the other side of the fence.
    Which is exactly the point. You accuse someone of doing something when it's ridiculous, then when you do it the other side sounds ridiculous accusing you. Trump and Musk have both hinted at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Not in a rigged election he wouldn't.

    Who's going to stop them? They own the safeguards at every level.
    I genuinely don’t know enough about the safeguards to answer that. I doubt many people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Which is exactly the point. You accuse someone of doing something when it's ridiculous, then when you do it the other side sounds ridiculous accusing you. Trump and Musk have both hinted at it.
    We’ve lived through the best part of a decade of ridiculousness at almost every turn. This is just different ridiculousness that you like less than the stuff that came before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    We’ve lived through the best part of a decade of ridiculousness at almost every turn. This is just different ridiculousness that you like less than the stuff that came before.
    No it fucking isn't, holy shit.

    You've literally got them throwing Nazi salutes and siding with a fascist dictatorship in Russia and you're still out here drooling about "bofe sides m8".

    It's insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    No it fucking isn't, holy shit.
    Your hysteria is not warming me to your argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Your hysteria is not warming me to your argument.
    I don't have any interest in presenting an "argument" to you. You're like a flat earther, denying the evidence of your own eyes. There is no convincing people like you with reason and proof because it's not what you deal in.

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    It basically all boils down to three things.

    Is what you think they're trying to do actually what they're trying to do.
    Is it as bad as you think it is if they can do it.
    Can they do it?

    And I don't know how any of us can answer those questions in anything like an informed enough way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    I don't have any interest in presenting an "argument" to you. You're like a flat earther, denying the evidence of your own eyes. There is no convincing people like you with reason and proof because it's not what you deal in.
    One can prove the Earth is round, you cannot prove that this is end of days stuff, let alone that it will actually result in the end of days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    I genuinely don’t know enough about the safeguards to answer that. I doubt many people do.
    The US political system is currently going through one of those post 2008 stress tests the banks had to do. It is failing it hard and, aside from the existential threat to western civilization, it's glorious to witness.

    30 year plan to capture the supreme court from the republican establishment somewhat blowing up in their faces as it has created a deranged monarchical tyrant. They could still do something about it but it doesn't seem they want to.

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    Yeah you're right, America should wait until they've done it and can't be removed from power and then decide whether that's what they were trying to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Trans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Yeah you're right, America should wait until they've done it and can't be removed from power and then decide whether that's what they were trying to do.
    How does America do anything else?

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