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    Whilst I find his argument a bit reductionist and perhaps alarmist I think you can see a lot of sense in what Gary says.

    I particularly liked his hit piece on growth, mostly because it was really a hit piece on idiots like Mark Carney.


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    If that is the kind of place people get their info from, I don't even know what to say.

    Quick scan of the transcript because lol I am not going to watch that:

    we get messages all the time saying
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    living standards are collapsing here in
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    the US in Germany it's definitely
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    happening places like Italy and Spain
    Middle class living standards are not falling in the US and I doubt that they are falling in the UK. Italy and Spain I don't know, maybe, but I doubt it.

    The Last 5 Years specifically we have
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    seen really a collapse in the living
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    standards of the average British family
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    this has happened at the same time as
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    the enormous growth inequality we we've
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    reached a situation now when you know
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    about half of the families in the
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    their kids and turn the heating on
    Sure, half of the kids over there are either freezing or starving to death every winter.

    I'll stop there, come on now.

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    Because it isn't cold enough for them to freeze to death over here. Instead they have issues with mold and poor health.

    I visit people literally every week who live in their coats, breath visible in the air, huddled together under blankets, because they can't afford to have the heating on.

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    Can you not all see that that bloke is a massive grifter? Maybe not, I don't know, I suppose it's always bewitching when someone positions themselves against the lizardmen.

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    The average British family isn't middle class lmao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Can you not all see that that bloke is a massive grifter? Maybe not, I don't know, I suppose it's always bewitching when someone positions themselves against the lizardmen.
    He simplifies things for his audience, but I struggle to disagree with most of what he says.

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    Maybe's he's one of Spikey's regulars. What with his bobble hat with a t-shirt/undershirt combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    You can believe in whatever you like, but the black cause is deeply unpopular among non-blacks and he'll get about five minutes into it before he has to be sacked to save Starmer's credibility. It's another world away even from Miliband's treacherous wank, which is already succumbing to events.
    Starmer is currently trying to give all of his deeply unpopular tax rises to Mauritius to appease five of his mates. What does 'credibility' even mean to somebody like that? If the spastics at the Foreign Office can convince him that preferential arrangements for Barbados will increase our pretend 'soft power' they will fall over themselves to go with it.

    As for Miliband, he is keeping it shut about Heathrow because he knows it won't happen. The rest of his ruinous agenda is untouched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Can you not all see that that bloke is a massive grifter? Maybe not, I don't know, I suppose it's always bewitching when someone positions themselves against the lizardmen.
    The Financial Times couldn't find anyone he worked with able or willing to substantiate his origin story. Proper knobhead.

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    Didn't the FT hit piece conveniently dance around the substance of his origin story? I've not read his book. It's completely immaterial anyway although emblematic of the way things are done - ignore the substance and try to find a small detail which is going to be fundamentally impossible to really substantiate to paint everything else with.

    Fair play if he is grifting. I don't think he is, and I don't think he's really getting grifting right if he is unless you view the whole thing as a giant performative charade.

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    Hypothetical question: Let's say that a wealth tax is set in place and the rich just take it; no closing factories, moving money abroad, none of those scary things they claim they would do. Thanks to this, the tax revenue that the UK collects goes from ~700 billion gbp to, say, ~1000 billion gbp. What do you think your government would do with the extra money that would make your lives better?

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    Cut taxes for working people?

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    Why can't they do that right now?

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    They haven't got any money to pay for anything?

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    Such as? Maybe they could pay for less shit?

    Also they could lower your taxes, but do you think that they would?

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    It probably goes on infrastructure projects.

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    We spend £200 billion a year on universal healthcare which is also a national religion to the same extent that, say, the US constitution is to them. You can't do anything about tax while that's running.

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    Such as? If those infrastructure projects are worth doing (as in, they will bring more revenue in the long term than what they cost), surely they could build them today?

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    They could yeah. I'd say things are in a weird place where society needs both the Musk DOGE folk to take a knife to a lot of the bureaucratic state, but equally, at least in Britain, there is a need for wholesale reform of the tax system which is just stupidly fragmented and, whilst progressive on its face, really quite regressive in reality.

    I'm not really that bothered. I'm in the I'm alright Jack camp, but I can see there are certain systemic problems which could really do with being fixed in some way and that the consensus of the last 40 years probably isn't going to solve them.

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    Might need to run a poll on what's more dull, RL on America or Pepe on Britain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Such as? If those infrastructure projects are worth doing (as in, they will bring more revenue in the long term than what they cost), surely they could build them today?
    If we're serious about the electric car/less cars on the road, its ... unfortunately high speed rail on a nationalised network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Might need to run a poll on what's more dull, RL on America or Pepe on Britain.
    Fair enough. I'll stop now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Didn't the FT hit piece conveniently dance around the substance of his origin story? I've not read his book. It's completely immaterial anyway although emblematic of the way things are done - ignore the substance and try to find a small detail which is going to be fundamentally impossible to really substantiate to paint everything else with.

    Fair play if he is grifting. I don't think he is, and I don't think he's really getting grifting right if he is unless you view the whole thing as a giant performative charade.
    He seemingly did quite well for himself in a past life, which would be enough to consider what he says; but so did thousands of others, so there would be no reason to hype him up when you could find any one of his peers to disagree with him. His gimmick is that, because he was the World's Best Trader, he has some esoteric knowledge that the other traders (and anyone else for that matter) lack, making him uniquely able to give you a TRUTH.

    That's sort of how punditry works isn't it? Roy Keane gets millions a year to deliver my mum tier analysis for the same reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Fair enough. I'll stop now.
    Great, now I feel mean. You're meant to bite back you bastard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Fair enough. I'll stop now.
    Fucking coward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    when you could find any one of his peers to disagree with him.
    Where are these voices and do they do a better job of describing the world we live in?

    A lot of his bluster seems quite self-deprecating. These people aren't geniuses, but they are rewarded as if they are gods, for mostly just shuffling things around as needed.

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    His former peers are presumably making money and living their lives, but Pepe off of the TTH has just corrected him so there's one person to listen to.

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    People can believe whatever they want to believe. I think his views of the world post 2008 are fairly compelling, but like most of the various 'crises' facing humanity there's no real appetite to do anything about anything, and perhaps there is nothing that could be done realistically, so we rumble on in a befuddled stupor, which is completely fine with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    We spend £200 billion a year on universal healthcare which is also a national religion to the same extent that, say, the US constitution is to them. You can't do anything about tax while that's running.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c897ew0ekp4o

    Mind boggling.

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    I dread to think what proportion of the NHS budget is spent providing B&B to people who are medically fit but can't be discharged because of a lack of adequate social care. If you walk into any random geriatrics ward in the country at least half the patients will be medically fit awaiting social care, some of them for weeks. Then they'll get hospital acquired pneumonia and the whole process gets nuked and starts again.

    Many of them are for completely ludicrous reasons as well, like their toilet roll holder is broken which is unsafe so they can't be discharged until it's fixed.

    If you tally it all up I bet it's like 20% of the budget.
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    One of the benefits of being in paeds actually is generally being able to avoid that shit.

    We did have a few chancing parents refusing to take their kids with covid home until they were testing negative during the pandemic, but that was about it.

    Do not miss spending an hour of my morning writing "MFFD awaiting POC" every day.

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    Almost everyone on YouTube is a grifter. It’s the nature of the beast.

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    He's a sensationalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Almost everyone on YouTube is a grifter. It’s the nature of the beast.
    If one's aim is revenue rather than good videos, then yes. Plenty just make good videos.

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    This Labour MP sacking is entertaining stuff. If you're going to get cancelled, why not go out in style by wishing death on specific constituents of yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    If one's aim is revenue rather than good videos, then yes. Plenty just make good videos.
    Yeah, I should have clarified. Almost all of those chucking out videos on the regular are grifters.

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    His videos aren't even monetised. Deliberately so. That's why there are no adverts during them. He also isn't sell Huel or a subscription to anything else like the actual grifters.

    I'd love to know what he's grifting exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    This Labour MP sacking is entertaining stuff. If you're going to get cancelled, why not go out in style by wishing death on specific constituents of yours.
    See how absolutely unfunny and creepy that cunt is. Can we get the Hello HR meme for Trump Vs Labour MPs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    His videos aren't even monetised. Deliberately so. That's why there are no adverts during them. He also isn't sell Huel or a subscription to anything else like the actual grifters.

    I'd love to know what he's grifting exactly?
    In that case, fair play to him. 'Dr' John Campbell could take note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Except for the part where Joe Biden had a great economy where number continued to go up, that's pretty spot on.
    The stock market went up. 50% of the country don’t own stocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Hypothetical question: Let's say that a wealth tax is set in place and the rich just take it; no closing factories, moving money abroad, none of those scary things they claim they would do. Thanks to this, the tax revenue that the UK collects goes from ~700 billion gbp to, say, ~1000 billion gbp. What do you think your government would do with the extra money that would make your lives better?
    Did you just ask what the government could do if they increased tax revenue by almost 50% with no economic fallout whatsoever?

    Even in the simplest terms if they just split it up and gave everyone a cheque for using that income that would increase the average yearly salary by 15%. If you don’t include London then it would increase it by 20-25%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Because it isn't cold enough for them to freeze to death over here. Instead they have issues with mold and poor health.
    See Panorama right now.

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    Christine, and husband Paul, 74, have a protected tenancy which keeps the rent low, at £440 per month. They did not know who their landlord was. All communication was through a letting agent.
    Rent control leading to poor housing availability and conditions? Nah, that cannot be possible!

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    Aye, it'd be fine if they were paying market rent like everyone else in the story.

    I've never even heard of a protected tenancy.

    Sounds like they are going to be quite rare:

    Your property may have a protected tenancy if:

    the current tenancy began before 2007
    the property was built or converted for letting before 1956
    the property was first rented out before 1978
    a tenant was living in the property in October 1978

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    And if you are paying market rent and there is mold, can't you just, you know, move?

    Also, I don't know how it is over there, but here you could withhold rent until they get that shit fixed. Breaking a lease over black mold is also fine.

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    In most cases no, I don't think you can. Perfect market conditions are not present, which renders the alternative courses of action also somewhat redundant.

    That is not to say there is a simple solution to this.

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    Yeah, especially if you're particularly tied to an area (family, schools, etc). I can't imagine the 74 year-old would fancy another move at that age.

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    Does this stuff really spread so quickly that you can't keep on top of it with adequate ventilation and cleaning?

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    Case in point...

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