What Indians?
What Indians?
Kiko dropping another national identity.
The gazillions of Indians that have been let in last 2 years due to some crap agreement with Modi.Originally Posted by Kikó
250,000 arrived in 2023 alone - 127,000 to work and 117,000 to study.
Last edited by Jimmy Floyd; 23-09-2024 at 06:38 AM.
Anecdotal evidence (but who doesn't love an anecdote), my cricket club until 2 years ago had never had an Indian signed as a playing member. Now, we have 14. As far as I'm aware, they're all students.
We have absolute shit tons of them try to join, I let very few in, the ones who are demonstrably serious people. Students and other fly-by-night idiots I have absolutely no interest in letting piss everyone off with their lax attitude to turning up and helping out.
That's the spirit.
The benefits of Brexit: more visas to secure trade deals without the backing of the EU
Designated shitting streets to be a key election battle ground next time round.
The same is happening in the EU - albeit from different third world countries - so I'm not sure this can be laid at the feet of Brexit.
The main issue is that we're unwilling to let our Universities - of which we have far to many - fail, so we allow foreign students to bring their entire family with them to keep them attractive to Jonny Foreigner, who they rip off. That and a complete inability to deal with illegal immigration.
That's complete nonsense.
I know it doesn't fit with your political leanings Kiko, but I'm not sure how any of what has been said can be described as complete nonsense when the numbers are absolutely wild over the last few years. It's all there within them.
Same shit happening here, import arrives on a flight from somewhere like France or Netherlands and suddenly loses their 'passport'. Are they turned straight back around? Are they fuck, people are absolutely coining it off this industry.
Then there's the care homes racket, which is a disgrace frankly.
It's not even political at this point in my opinion. I suppose you'd call me a leftist (at least from an economic standpoint) but as you say, the numbers don't lie here.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...t%20population.India sent the most students to the UK in 2021/22, 126,600 entrants in 2022/23; this was more than ten times the number of entrants from India in 2017/18.
On the bringing the Family point, apparently this changed earlier this year, but it was the case until then.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com...-student-visas
I think this will always be my biggest issue with Brexit in that we have replaced one form of immigration with another(I'm not anti-immigration at all by the way) all that's happening now is we have loads of cheap labour coming in from Nigeria and India rather than from European countries and still are unable to stop the people who are entering the country illegally from doing so. I'd hazard a guess that those people who voted for Brexit based on taking back control of our borders didn't do so based on changing where the people were coming from.
As for Starmer and Labour as a whole some of it is increased scrutiny based on them now being in power but things like the holidays and the clothes are not a good look but aren't even touching the sides of what the Tories have been up to over the last few years. The budget I almost feel like they are trailing it as being so bad that when it comes round it's not quite as bad as they were making out and therefore they can put a slightly more positive spin on it. Or failing that it is as horrendous as they are saying and everything is going to shit.
Indeed. Anyone sticking their fingers in their ears and crying racist at this point just hasn't looked at them as they are absolutely insane. And those people can continue to stick their fingers in their ears if they like but they should at least be aware that by doing so they're ushering in an era of Farage.
I genuinely think it'll be terrible for anyone on PAYE/saving for a pension. Which will be a complete betrayal of what they've been spouting over the last 15 years and a tacit admission that despite the noise about going after big business and properly high earners it's not actually that easy to do.
What comes after that I'm not so sure. Might even be Kamikwasi levels of fallout.
This whole century is going to be about the global south trying to migrate north in their tens of millions, to what extent they are successful, and the implications of it for north and south.
It'll end wishy-washy liberalism as a concept in the north. People of said persuasion aren't ready for that but it's coming. Soon you will either have to be 'fuck it let's let them all in and willingly destroy western norms' or 'build a huge wall around Europe' and my money is on the latter being more popular as a position.
Last edited by Jimmy Floyd; 23-09-2024 at 08:57 AM.
The Johnson government stapled a two year work visa to every university qualification, so crap universities flooded the market with cheap Masters degrees (some of them laughably short), essentially allowing them to sell two year work visas. That is why literally every single shop now has useless fucking Indians working in it.
Starmer won't survive 2025 and I think we're going to see just as many changing PM's as we did under the Tories. Systemic changes are needed and this lot, just like the last lot, don't have it in them.
I'm not sure who does, because it sure as shit isn't Farage or Davey, but sweeping change is needed. The system has been broken by the rich, wealth inequality and wage suppression. It needs a pair of very large testicles to sort it.
'Free Gear Keir' isn't going anywhere. He's the most sanctimonious man in the country (which is why he has blundered into this ultimately trivial freebies stuff), and the Labour Party have been out of office too long to start getting self-indulgent and thinking the grass is greener. Their biggest risk is thinking that they are actually popular and governing like wankers.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...3.cms?from=mdr
Bring them here. The monkeys, I mean.
Does this explain the useless Nigerian bumbling their way through a masters at my work?
I'm a twit
The students can bring their entire family thing is nonsense.
What about workers?
It wasn't. Until this year the right to bring your partner and children was included with the student visa. It's been removed this year, which I was unaware of.
Last edited by Spikey M; 23-09-2024 at 11:14 AM.
I cannot fathom why it was ever a thing. These are adult students right, what possible benefit could it bring to the UK having them uproot and bring their entire family with them? Have we reached match fixing levels regarding immigration now?
If the NHS is anything to go by, desperation.
My wife was the last year of nurses to train with funding before the Tories yanked it away. Homegrown trainee numbers immediately plummeted (shock) and now 8-10 years later after a few cycles of nurses leaving the industry and retirements, the ever widening gap needed to be plugged. The Nigerians managed to get the same sweet deal as the Indians did. Problem is, they're shit nurses and their English is terrible. At least all the Filipinos who came over years ago on the less extortionate deal are decent and can speak the lingo.
It would appear to just be classic Treasury maths, whereby allowing universities to sell visas saves having to increase their budgets, which looks good on the spreadsheet, because all of the external costs associated with inviting all of India and Nigeria Comes Out of a Different Pot.
Desperation, yeah. Our Universities are a mess and they need foreign students and the huge fees they can charge them to stay afloat. However, they are in competition with America, Australia, France, etc. as well as every town in the country having its own uni these days.
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment...g-is-in-crisis
After years of headlines about lowering net migration figures by “clamping down” on foreign students – who were supposedly “squeezing out” their UK counterparts from university places – it is now being realised just how dependent domestic students are on this subsidy. At many of Britain’s leading universities, more than half of their income from fees comes from international students.
Last edited by Spikey M; 23-09-2024 at 11:52 AM.
Post graduate students are older and might have a family. What benefit do you get from stopping Post grads coming with their wife and kid?
This is interesting. Cheers for the answer.
On an individual level, none at all. But when you add it all together you get very fast population growth. I think we're running at 600k a year at the moment. Which would be fine, but we aren't building any infrastructure to deal with it.
If this is the course we want to follow then we need more hospitals, doctors, schools, roads, etc.
Think this is probably a little OTT, even if it is a fair response to the doom-mongering the government seems keen to foster. At worst they'll reform/undo the [frankly insane] pension reforms brought in by the last government under the auspices of getting more NHS consultants to not retire or whatever back to what they were before. Of course Kier will keep his bespoke Act of Parliament scheme. If they start trying to bring in income tax rises for people they don't consider to be 'working people' then they'll be falling into the trap Lewis describes of thinking their majority means they are in anyway popular with the electorate, which they plainly aren't. That said, that's how all major European countries raise tax, go for the high earning employed people who, in part, act as the servant class to the people you'd like to tax, but can't. Obviously lot of collateral damage that way but OUR NHS isn't going to pay for itself, is it? Or even satiate itself in consuming half of the country's GDP.
Are Indians in the UK like Mexicans in the US? Do you have Spanish radio stations? Is everything written in both languages in supermarkets, etc?
Pakistanis are more like Mexicans. Indians in the UK are like if about 8-10% of the US population was Cuban.
Indians used to be a good minority insofar as they were relatively successful and went about their business, but in recent years their numbers have exploded and we are importing absolute retards to deliver takeaways, sell phone cases, and be the world's most useless security guards. The Pakistanis have never been good because America gets all of the educated ones and we get inbreds from places like Mirpur that even the Pakistanis think are retards.
Hard to argue with that.
You're thinking of the Welsh.
Out of interest, which pension reforms do you think they'll reverse if they do?
Hopefully the triple lock. Zimmerframes flying through shop windows nation wide.
The proliferation of foreign 'security' is a weird one. Not just because half of them are ten stone, or are constantly on their headset/phone to some relative somewhere (a cultural phenomenon that deserves greater study), but you would think that an industry like that would require reasonably stringent background checks given that aggro can happen at any moment and everybody involved would want to be covered. In the event that anyone even bothers to contact the Indian police, which they probably won't, how thorough a job are they doing? The same goes for the agency deals that fill every stadium with African stewards who just let you take your bag through rather than try arguing with you.
They'll put the cap back on annual and lifetime contributions I would have thought, to the extent that those have been removed or whatever. Not that i really have any idea about the subject. It just seemed those were extremely regressive moves ushered in under somewhat false pretences. Feel free to correct any egregious errors in those thoughts.
I still think they'll go in hard on inheritance tax. All those rich boomers ready to die.
My thoughts are that they will bring back in the lifetime limit and put the maximum amount you can put into a pension back down to £40,000 annually. I also think there is a chance they get rid of the opportunity to get rid of using previous years unused allowances.
Possibly. But, the issue with IHT is that anyone with money pre-plans and gets out of it anyway. The people who get caught are the people who bought a house in London for 20 quid 40 years ago and now it's worth £4,000,000. But, they will always catch those people anyway because they don't have it in their mind to plan for it.
I'm banking on that annual limit staying at £60k as it's my route to retire at 57-60. Lifetime limit is ok as no one really needs more than whatever it was anyway.
If they get rid of the lifetime limit. As much as it's a ballache just put the money into stocks and shares ISA's. No you aren't getting the tax relief at source. But, you are then getting the tax relief at the other end which is pretty decent anyway. Shouldn't make a huge difference on your retirement plans.
Aye, I would just change lanes. Chuck it in another savings account and crack on.
Presuming the courses aren't being offered by the University of Trumpton running out of a flat above a takeaway.
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