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Thread: Euro 2024: The Knockouts

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    My main TAKE on penalties is that, as of now, any club that does not have a guy that can do the multiple stutter thing that is apparently legal is not a serious club.

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    I would like some statistics on the two types of penalty. Haaland doesn't do the silly run and misses very few, no?

    My feeling would be that it doesn't improve the conversion rate of good takers by much, but it probably has a significant effect on the ones that aren't that good, but then again, almost all the defenders (who you'd think are not as good as the main takers) seem to just do a straight run and always hit the corners.
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    Your either good at taking penalties or good at saving them. Ollie Watkins has less than a 50% conversion rate compared to Palmer who has 100%. Its no lottery.

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    The real gains would be if you could teach someone to reliably take a no-backlift penalty, or to be able to run up straight and it be unpredictable whether they're going to take with their right or left foot. The stutter run-up can be dealt with if the keeper learns just to wait for the planted foot and then go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adramelch View Post
    I would like some statistics on the two types of penalty. Haaland doesn't do the silly run and misses very few, no?

    My feeling would be that it doesn't improve the conversion rate of good takers by much, but it probably has a significant effect on the ones that aren't that good, but then again, almost all the defenders (who you'd think are not as good as the main takers) seem to just do a straight run and always hit the corners.
    Haaland definitely does some sort of stutter at times

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    Trippier at right wing back. At this stage he must have something on Sir Gareth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -james- View Post
    What does lottery mean in this context?
    The only way it makes sense would be in that it is unpredictable as to who is going to win, rather than on an individual level it being complete chance as to whether you score or not, but I doubt that was the intended meaning.

    But then Rio also said England could win the Euros 'playing ugly' which seemed to misunderstand the difference between having a plan to play a destructive/unambitious game, and doing it well, and just playing shite and getting lucky.

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    People just know a wet blanket when they see one.

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    His hairline is further up the pitch than our striker.


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    The Southgate Paradox is no such thing, he has managed like any other England manager, generally losing to the first decent knock out opponent faced. He's just managed to have 6 or 7 knock out games against dross in the expanded format era, and not botched a qualification because it is almost entirely impossible to do that now [props to Italy]. His is a binary situation, either he wins this tournament, and we all have to accept that it worked and he was right, albeit in a begrudging Didier Deschamps sort of way, or he doesn't, and he is adjudged a total failure by all. No middle ground.

    How many times have England been knocked out by a pissant nation? Just Iceland other than the odd group aberration, which is now impossible? It has always been Argentina/Germany/Portugal/Italy/Brazil/France.
    Last edited by niko_cee; 06-07-2024 at 09:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Emia View Post
    Trippier at right wing back. At this stage he must have something on Sir Gareth.
    I've just woken up and that has ruined my day. What in the actual fuck.

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    He created an environment in which players could flourish
    Flourish? The fuck has this Mr Burns cunt been watching?

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    That article is actual propaganda.

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    Trent should fake an illness and come home.
    I'm a twit

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    Sir Gareth changing his system up to accommodate attacking wing backs, only to not use the best one on the planet is some going. Knighthood guaranteed.

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    When you think he can't do anything worse, he does. It's genuinely unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    Trent should fake an illness and come home.
    Fuck faking an illness, he should just call absolute bullshit on the whole thing publicly and fuck it right off.

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    It is however extremely on brand for him.

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    I'm not even English and I'm angry at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Fox View Post
    It is however extremely on brand for him.
    It is and I think I'm also annoyed with myself for not realising that he'd do it as it's bloody obvious when you think about it.

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    When Dan Ndoye sends England out

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    We are losing tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    We are losing tonight.
    There's very little rationale for what I'm about to say (other than Switzerland already having had their scalp, which isn't much on its own) but I don't think we are. However, if we do, I think I'd like us to get the humping we truly deserve so it's as hard as it possibly can be for anyone to paint this tournament as anything other than the absolute disgrace it has been. Reach a semi-final and that's much harder to do and thought pieces like that absolute arse from Ronay will be everywhere.

    "Well, we did reach a semi-final, how often did England do that before Sir Gareth?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Fox View Post
    Sir Gareth changing his system up to accommodate attacking wing backs, only to not use the best one on the planet is some going. Knighthood guaranteed.
    Reece James hasn’t been called up bro

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    Reece isnt even the best James.

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    He’s probably the closest England have had to having the best player in the world in a position since Ashley Cole. Shame he’s got no hamstrings.

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    You don't lose to teams like Switzerland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    You don't lose to teams like Switzerland.
    Iceland springs to mind.

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    I think he picks Trippier for the free kicks. That's about Southgate's level of thinking. Even if that was the case, I'd pick Trent. Hell, I'd give Saka a run there before the square peg. Give Kane the armband and get on with it.

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    He picks Trippier because he's more defensive, he can't help himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Iceland springs to mind.
    Generally then - that was a freak result. Just like the last round and Slovakia, Switzerland wouldn't have the minerals to see it through when faced with a big team.

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    They eliminated France and then got Spain to penalties in the previous Euro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    He’s probably the closest England have had to having the best player in the world in a position since Ashley Cole. Shame he’s got no hamstrings.
    Hamstrings, unfortunately, being somewhat central to the playing of football.

    James is a good player and all but you can't really be considered the best in the world if you literally never play.

    Alexander-Arnold wouldn't be some magical panacea as a wing back anyway, seeing as the rest of the team will be entirely static. The problems run deeper than the respective shapes of pegs and holes. Not least since this entire presumptive system seems to rely on a player who has played as a right winger/right forward for his club for many seasons being the left wing back.

    Still going to worm our way through today in all likelihood, and then again against whichever shell of a side we face in the semis. The final could be where the Yevdemption defeat to end all things comes but it's unconscionable to want that, other than in some perverse you never get what you really want with this England side sort of way.
    Last edited by niko_cee; 06-07-2024 at 11:41 AM.

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    Choking for England to shit their way to the final and lose 1-0 so Gdawg gets an 8 year contract extension @ 7m Euros p/a.

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    In higher-level-tournament news, Canada beat Venezuela to make it to the Semis. Canada being the best Concacaf team is something I did not expect to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Alexander-Arnold wouldn't be some magical panacea as a wing back anyway, seeing as the rest of the team will be entirely static. The problems run deeper than the respective shapes of pegs and holes. Not least since this entire presumptive system seems to rely on a player who has played as a right winger/right forward for his club for many seasons being the left wing back.
    Aye, it's troubling that just every pass is sideways and laborious. There's no directness, no movement. We have the players to do that but it's like we're scared of daring.

    I'm looking through Southgate's games in charge at the moment. I don't know why but I assumed we had more confidence at the start of his tenure. Turns out that was bollocks. The real confidence didn't start until the 2020 Qualifiers where we scored for fun against the Balkans. We did beat Italy twice in qualifying for this tournament, at least.

    Honestly, see it all laid out is very schizophrenic. We've been free-scoring, we've been tentative cowards. We've beaten the likes of Spain, Italy and Germany but we've also been humbled by Hungary twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Hamstrings, unfortunately, being somewhat central to the playing of football.

    James is a good player and all but you can't really be considered the best in the world if you literally never play.

    Alexander-Arnold wouldn't be some magical panacea as a wing back anyway, seeing as the rest of the team will be entirely static. The problems run deeper than the respective shapes of pegs and holes. Not least since this entire presumptive system seems to rely on a player who has played as a right winger/right forward for his club for many seasons being the left wing back.

    Still going to worm our way through today in all likelihood, and then again against whichever shell of a side we face in the semis. The final could be where the Yevdemption defeat to end all things comes but it's unconscionable to want that, other than in some perverse you never get what you really want with this England side sort of way.
    Gallagher isn’t better than Kante because the former is always fit. Shite logic. James is a better player than anyone who plays right back. Not up for debate. Case closed.

    James even played centre mid (something ‘Trent’ can’t do) in his first professional season as a footballer and was the best player in the league. Levels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    Gallagher isn’t better than Kante because the former is always fit. Shite logic. James is a better player than anyone who plays right back. Not up for debate. Case closed.

    James even played centre mid (something ‘Trent’ can’t do) in his first professional season as a footballer and was the best player in the league. Levels
    Funny. I watched him play football a few times last season when he was actually fit and he was dog shit. I don’t get this with James, he can barely put 15/20 games together where he is fit. That’s a massive part of being a footballer, you can be the new Messi but if you can’t get on the pitch you are of absolutely no fucking use. You say his first season as a professional was that in League One or the Championship?
    Last edited by Luke Emia; 06-07-2024 at 01:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    The Southgate Paradox is no such thing, he has managed like any other England manager, generally losing to the first decent knock out opponent faced. He's just managed to have 6 or 7 knock out games against dross in the expanded format era, and not botched a qualification because it is almost entirely impossible to do that now [props to Italy]. His is a binary situation, either he wins this tournament, and we all have to accept that it worked and he was right, albeit in a begrudging Didier Deschamps sort of way, or he doesn't, and he is adjudged a total failure by all. No middle ground.

    How many times have England been knocked out by a pissant nation? Just Iceland other than the odd group aberration, which is now impossible? It has always been Argentina/Germany/Portugal/Italy/Brazil/France.
    You seem to have described society in general. All or nothing, success or failure, win or lose.

    There's no room for middle ground or balance.

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    3-0. Tripper x 2, Kane.

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    We usually get one comfortable performance per tournament, so this will probably be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Emia View Post
    Funny. I watched him play football a few times last season when he was actually fit and he was dog shit. I don’t get this with James, he can barely put 15/20 games together where he is fit. That’s a massive part of being a footballer, you can be the new Messi but if you can’t get on the pitch you are of absolutely no fucking use. You say his first season as a professional was that in League One or the Championship?
    You’re a Liverpool fan and voting conservative your whole life. Fuck up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    You’re a Liverpool fan and voting conservative your whole life. Fuck up
    And you’re a sniffhead and a Dundee United fan.

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    Chelsea Fan. I don't know about the sniff.

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    ‘Sniffhead’

    Oh la la

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    I'm struggling here. 7hrs on a sleeper bus last night, 8hrs on a train tomorrow. I'm knackered and kick off is 11pm local. I ain't seeing this through.

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    Evolution not revolution.

    We'd really better not get played off the pitch by the fucking Swiss. The jocks got a draw so I'm quietly confident they are terrible.

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    I thought he was drastically changing it?

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