I've read people say no because parliament is dissolved, whilst others say it doesn't require parliament and could be decided by the cabinet. I have no idea, I'm just Yevrah.Originally Posted by niko_cee
I've read people say no because parliament is dissolved, whilst others say it doesn't require parliament and could be decided by the cabinet. I have no idea, I'm just Yevrah.
I've wondered for a while how all the strikes / evil Tories / country going to the dogs discourse across various sectors is going to progress once Labour are in government, and I've recently realised that the answer is it will be exactly the same but with the pressure transferred onto Keir Starmer and his RED TORIES / NO BETTER THAN THE TORIES extreme right wing government. Then he's going to be far, far more left wing than advertised and it's going to blow up everyone's brains.
Seizing the means of production.
Lest we forget.
Big fan of Labour coming out blue on the poll.
I've had a look into the new constituency boundaries and then I ended up seeing which big names might lose their seats.
- PM Sunak and Deputy PM Dowden will probably hold on to their seats but not by the huge majority they had in 2019.
- South West Surrey has been broken up after the boundary review and Chancellor Jeremy Hunt is standing in the new Godalming and Ash, where he could well be mugged by the Lib Dems.
- The man with a million jobs Grant Shapps is in big trouble in Welwyn Hatfield, where Labour have a bit of history.
- The Tories need to find a good replacement for the departing Michael Gove, as a late surge by Lib Dems could see them steal the previously very-safe Surrey Heath.
- Penny Mordaunt sits in the bellwether Portsmouth North and again in their true fashion of mirroring the overall result, she looks set to lose her huge majority to the Labour candidate.
- Suella Braverman defeated Flick Drummond to get the Tory candidacy for the new, supposedly safe, seat of Fareham and Waterlooville. Drummond was given Winchester instead. However, it looks like Braverman might have a struggle on her hands with Labour anyway, while Drummond is set to lose to Lib Dems.
- Chairman of the Conservative Party Greg Hands is set to be mauled by Labour in Chelsea and Fulham.
- The fossil Rees-Mogg could well be staring at a Labour-inflicted defeat too.
This is obviously where all the stories are, as the incumbent looks like losing their majority in record-breaking fashion. Otherwise there's not much juiciness outside of the expected overall landslide. Lib Dems have to be disappointed if they don't gain a good chunk of seats, and our tubthumping friends over at Reform will be lucky to get even one, as their sole MP Lee Anderson looks set to capitulate in Ashfield.
Lib Dems will sweep Surrey with ease. This will surprise the media but not me.
Have a feeling JRM might cling on - he is adored over there - but it'll be close.
*English Democrats.
Every one of those cunts will end up in the lords no doubt.
Saw the Lib Dem battlebus mired in the traffic deathzone that is the western M25 today. Looked like Ed Davey was driving it, which made me wonder if they just have loads of balding middle aged men who are overly keen to appear in aquatic situations running the whole show and taking turns to be the leader.
Looks like the lure of talking about potholes and bin collections was too strong for Nige.
Obviously there's a lot of hypotheticals along the way but if this poll translates, then according to FT's model, Lib Dems would be the Opposition.
LAB 512 (!) - LD 66 - CON 41
Can't see it ending up like this but Farage could do some real damage on the Tories.
Ladbrokes now have 50-99 as 13/8 fav, they know.
That said, I wouldn't overestimate the personal pull of Nigel Farage. He is a dynamic figure who gets the media excited but as far as the public are concerned he is an extremely unpopular politician and that has been demonstrated over decades now. Had he been in charge of the Leave campaign it would have tanked and he would have had what he probably always really wanted, a continued platform to bleat about Brussels on TV without having to take any responsibility for anything.
I'd say he is a 1% of the vote issue for the Tories, 10 times the issue will be direct Con to Lab switchers who are much less glamorous but far more impactful upon the result.
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There are a worrying number of Lib Dem boards up around here. Not seen any Labour stuff at all although apparently the wife has ordered some window stickers [] which will probably go down well with the rest of the neighbourhood, who are all pensioners.
I disagree with Jim on the Farage stuff slightly. In that I agree he's a man who can only take something so far, but without him Brexit doesn't even get to the referendum stage, let alone to where Cummings and Cambridge Analytica seal the deal.
Without him... or more accurately, without DC running unnecessarily scared of him. He's literally all bluster, there's more substance in a fortune cookie and probably the same amount of nous.
The thing I always try and remind myself about UK politics is that the circus stuff that gets on the news is basically all horseshit and doesn't matter.
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Woah woah woah. Is Starmer an absolute manlet as well?
He's billed as five eight so potentially borderline. Nigel Farage the same. Pathetic.
They were all the same height at the start of this, maybe the lady presenter the tallest. Country's completely fucked.
Standing 8 count for Rishi on the waiting list maths blow there, he'd been doing reasonably well by blithering on over all interventions up to then.
Starmer isn’t much better but Sunak is a massive fucking nerd.
I doubt this debate matters that much but Starmer seems really shit.
Yeah, Rishi is winning here for me and quite comfortably, but it won't undo his piss poor tenure, let alone 10+ years of shite.
Starmer being short has thrown me completely. Might have to vote Reform now.
Lol
Ed Davey is 6 ft.
Ed Davey looks like he exists in the wrong aspect ratio.
Starmer's grey competence pitch is never going to win any major plaudits. Sunak just came across as a bit of a knob. All this talk of Labour needing some bold vision for the country, has Labour ever been voted in with a bold vision for the country? They usually get a hiding whenever they roll one of those out. The people don't want a bold, leftist vision of the future, hence Mr Competence and his however many point lead in the polls. They just want things to seem a bit less shit and maybe for some things to work a bit better.
I saw a clip of Piers Morgan on the Simon Jordan podcast. Both men were in complete agreement that you should vote for the man and not the party. Pizzazz over policies.
I feel like it's easier to say that when you're a millionaire.
I think you can do the exact opposite of them two chancers and be at peace with yourself that you did the right thing.
Who the fuck is watching / listening to that podcast in the first place?
General public don't understand policies. Sunak might be a prick but he knows what he is. Starmer is weak and spineless at a time when the country needs leadership. These TV debates are bad because they hammer that home.
If Keir manages to lose ground to Sunak on a TV debate he should probably just give up now.
'£2000 rise in taxes' is the new 'Build Back Better/Get Brexit Done/Strong and Stable/Take Back Control', not quite as snappy. I thought his robotic repeating of it for all questions would wear thin for the audience but apparently not. Almost as grating as Starmer's dad being a toolmaker.
This is always the time to stand up, applaud and leave in the style of whatever law it is about 'title drops' in films.
On the subject of the Farage milkshaking, am I right in thinking that has been a thing in the past? Definitely rings a bell. Obviously not to be condoned, or encouraged, but spare me the heartfelt really makes you think interview whilst nursing a pint Nige.
In other blast from the past news, did I hear rightly that Sir Kier Toolmaker/Labour won't be doing one of the debates at some point? Didn't the Tories do that once and get replaced by a lol pot plant or placard or something?
Farage has been milkshaked several times in the past. The latest one is being suggested as a planned stunt by reform themselves or an onlyfans pornstar looking to make a quick buck.
I'm surprised police are bringing charges. If someone dumps a pint over me, I'm not getting assault charges to stick.
So after the aforementioned £2000 tax catchphrase Rishi rolled out last night, ths Treasury have basically said he's made it up this morning
Doesn't matter though. How many people heard him say it on TV versus how many people will have heard the Treasury call bullshit on it? Until they start getting penalised for this type of bollocks we'll end up with more Brexits built on a pack of lies.
Starmer did a dreadful job of denying it as well, probably because he will put taxes up by that and knows it.
Just came across this frankly mind-boggling poll/list whilst mooching around the yougov website.
Too many highlights to really mention, but how is John Major the most popular politician with Millenials? Am I missing something? Is he big on 'socials'? Is it just that nobody really has a good thing to say about any politicans and so the older, more forgotten ones come out better? Neil Kinnock 7th with all ages?
I loved the Tory response of "it's not £2000... IT'S MORE".So after the aforementioned £2000 tax catchphrase Rishi rolled out last night, ths Treasury have basically said he's made it up this morning
Fuck, that even beats the Sports Direct ones.
He's right. I wasn't prepared.
Isn't it owned by Zahawi? Former tax dodging chancellor?Just came across this frankly mind-boggling poll/list whilst mooching around the yougov website.
Too many highlights to really mention, but how is John Major the most popular politician with Millenials? Am I missing something? Is he big on 'socials'? Is it just that nobody really has a good thing to say about any politicans and so the older, more forgotten ones come out better? Neil Kinnock 7th with all ages?
Every politician is despised these days so olden days politicians are more popular, except Tony apparently.
No, though he helped found it 25 years ago.
It was his dad who owned it.
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