There's no conspiracy, it's just that when you're at that end of society (or seriously aspire to be) your instincts are very different to people of modest means. Inequality is not rising either, it just makes people feel good to assume that it is.
Plebs are angry because they have access to more information than ever before but don't really know what to do with it.
Clearly not, but it's at odds with everything else that seems to happen in government at the moment where rank incompetence is endemic (I know it wouldn't just be government making this play, but they'd be a part of it).Originally Posted by Spikey M
The government's issue is that the governing party ran out of talent ages back (probably when Cameron went) and so a small section of one particular party, with very few competent individuals, has been at the tiller since. This has massively narrowed their horizons compared even to the 2010-15 government and also demotivated the civil service who are the people who make things actually happen. They have ceased to be a national party as they were until 2016, and started to be the party of white reactionaries and Hindu nationalists. This version of the Tories should by rights have been chucked out in the election subsequent to 2015, but we've had two since then and because the opposition leader in both was the most useless, dangerous, treacherous cunt they could possibly have chosen, they somehow got away with it. Finally they will go next time in a massive landslide and it will be deserved, and actually the last 5 years will have cost them any chance of getting in for the next twenty.
The same thing will eventually happen to Labour. They will hope that they have enough talent to get them through three winning cycles again and make substantial changes. Keir Starmer is a twat so the leader after him will be more important I think.
The problem I have with the Grauniad analysis is the idea that you would want
To the extent that they have one, which I'm not really convinced by unless we now categorise all people over 55 as likely fascists, what is the point of salting the earth to get the gig as first leader of the opposition? The most ill-fated job in politics, and if the base is HARD RIGHT, are they going to be voting for a non-white anyway, even if they seem to say the right things?to woo the party’s hard-right base
Couldn't you achieve the same by just wearing a piece of clothing as worn by Mrs Thatcher, without the need for any of the policy awkwardness?
It more smacks of muddled thinking, by people who don't really have any ideological beliefs, just saying any old shit to try to stay ahead in the media cycle, whilst probably being well aware the whole thing is going down.
'Hard-right base' is such a misunderstanding of the UK population, or that of any country really, that could only come from a paper as blinkered as the Graun.
A lot of people like their country and don't like the fact that it has changed over their lifetimes. Some of that is delusion or the ageing process obvs, but it's still what they think and feel, it doesn't make them all 'hard-right', as if Oswald Mosley is back and marching through the streets of Harpenden.
Phoneins on 5Live in the mornings are truly essential listening these days (someone's just called to make the very strong point he's never sold a poppy to a muzzy). Such vitriol from all quarters. The times they are a changing. Keep positive by recognising the youth are on the right side. The old gammons who are in power are coming to an end and the future is bright.
The youth are an absolute bunch of fannies, let's not be silly now.
That's such an easy cop-out but don't get it twisted, their awareness and eagerness highlights the inertia of preceding generations, ours very much included. What we're seeing is greater resistance from them but also, crucially, greater violence from Israel, US, UK, etc which is the sign of a decaying order.
Under the youth of today Taz will be cancelled immediately for sexually fetishising african men. Careful what you wish for old lad.
I think there are obviously some clowns who do believe the more extreme things in politics but some of them are just a bit Southgate after the Euros: Maguire and Henderson got me this far last time so why not again? Except in this case it's Brexit, fundamentally misunderstanding that people had moaned about the euro and EU long before the advent of the internet. Trying to take the temperature of the electorate via social media never ends well, the whole reason betting against the loudest voices on twitter was so profitable in the referendum and 2016 US presidential election: online opinions often mean absolutely fuck all in real life.
Let me know what's happened to every call of 'the future is bright and the times they are a-changing' in all of human history. At best it just ends up with you being the gammons.
I'm absolutely sure they'll be doing some things better than we were, shunning excessive (or any) alcohol is one that immediately springs to mind, but they need to get out of the rut they're in over life being awful and unfair. It's never been fair and we all die anyway, so crack on with what you have and do things to bring about the change you want rather than just moaning. And I know they're not all like this, Greta Thunberg (whether you agree with her views or not) is an excellent example of someone who isn't just moaning, but more need to join in with whatever they care about and actually do something.
What I will concede that none of us had to contend with before from birth is the internet, which is actively rotting brains and ruining attention spans from infancy and that's even before you get to all the bad stuff on there. But, back to Spikey's point of the focus being on the wrong areas, absolutely no-one seems to give a shit about this.
Were you off school sick when they covered the Hippies and the protests against Vietnam? Or the Peace protests against nuclear missile bases in Britain? The banning of South Africa from the Rugby World Cup? Nelson Mandela? Malcolm X?
Young people rallying around causes long predates the Internet and this current wave of turbo-sensitive numpties. And you were the first to call them Gamony Sheperd's Pie munchers when their profile pictures were Blue and Yellow 12 months ago. All that's changed is that they've finally rallied around something you personally give a fuck about, and now they're the golden generation. Have a day off, lad.
My mate the Arab has just informed me that Iraq is about to invade Jordan. Watch this space, I guess.
Proper triggered gammon here. I have optimism for the youth and the future. It's all well and good marking them as useless TikTok wankers but TikTok isn't as harmful as paedophilia and corruption which is the diet of their predecessors. Smile, it's gonna be okay.
Examples of something that she is doing that is not moaning? Genuinely curious, I don't follow the news. If she has come up with a new technology to reduce atmospheric carbon or something, then fair play to her.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67368785
Right on.
It's remarkable how weak successive PMs have become because they feel they have to keep the knobhead wing onside. Anyone worth their salt would not only sack her but also release all the skeletons in her closet to make sure she never held a serious job in any arena again.
Her skeletons are mostly in the English Channel.
The whole party is the knobhead wing.
That kind of thinking is why Labour has been out of power for 13 years.
Everything Suella Braverman said in her article is an observable fact, and if literally anybody else had said it and/or couched it in pathetic language the same people pissing the bed about it now would have agreed.
The current Conservative Party is crap, but let's not pretend that the David Cameron government was stacked with 'talent', or that a party that topped out at thirty-six per cent of the vote was a nationally popular one.
The party was a broader church both in composition and scope, and that is the only way to be under our system. If you want to go and get PR and have minority special interest groups running the hard political space as well as the cultural one then I wish you good luck. The country needs unity at the moment, not diversity.
Minority special interest groups do run the political and cultural space, unless you think that a million immigrants a year and an illegal free-for-all, not building any houses, decriminalising crime, etc. are all reflective of popular sentiment (compared to half the country voting for the exact opposite). The crap Conservative Party has allowed this to happen (or continue), which is why everybody hates them, and why everybody will hate the incoming Labour government within about two months.
They could literally propose building a fuckton of houses and get a bunch if millennials onside but they won't, the pricks.
There's definitely a feeling that this lot are prepared to die on their hill rather than shift ideology. Is it because they're shit politicians, or they realise they're toast so it's more a case of we'll do what the fuck we want for another year or so?
It's because they're toast anyway and they need to prove their credentials to the rump of morons who will be voting in the next leader. Heading for a 1997-2001 style irrelevance.
Not sure what Sunak's excuse is though, unless he's just given up and waiting for the sweet release of death so that he can embarrass himself and the country by taking a California tech job weeks after the election.
What ideology? They're toast because they aren't actually doing anything remotely conservative and their 2019 voters and people like me aren't going to bother voting for them again.
The real case for them being shit politicians is that their ineffectual tough talk has convinced half the country that we have a firm right wing government, when actually we have half a party of absolute melts and rule by the BBC/civil service, discrediting the idea of the former for no gain.
Well that's what I meant. "Shift" was the wrong word to use there.
Once again outing yourself as somebody that has no idea what the general population are like. Anybody that shade of brown are right wing af.
I have an extremely good idea of how they vote in elections and how that has shifted over time. Don't give a shit how many times they spank their children or conduct forced marriages.
Look at the east London Muslim-heavy constituencies in the 2019 election compared to the north west London Hindu-heavy constituencies, those two pops are moving in completely different directions.
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Why have I only just learned about this place?
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Seems a prime place for some TTH cards.
Going to be funny watching the BNP boys 'overwhelm' the police only for them to tear gas an inpromtru parent teacher meeting later on for waving the wrong sign.
Yooooou're not English any-more.
I observed the 2 minute silence in Tesco whilst deciding if I wanted a steak or a curry for dinner tonight, so I've done my bit.
The choice between a curry and a steak may have been Freudian in nature, now that I think about it. The curry won.
Burnley getting outwitted by choosing to play like a shit Arsenal. Tactical masterclass from Arteta to go fight wet fire with damp fire.
I mean they clearly believe brown people = bad. Shepherds Pie = good.
They're there for the same reason the other lot are there, narcissistic reflex.
Phonics looking rough.
I mean, it's fairly obvious what they're angry about, isn't it? Change. Incredibly rapid change in the demographics of the country and the social shifts that come with that. I don't agree with them. I couldn't give a flying fuck. But saying that they don't know know why they're angry just means you aren't listening. They aren't bright, but they are incredibly clear.
Greg Wallace must be wondering why his mentions have gone mad today
One for Jimmy.
The football idiots wouldn't have felt the need to 'defend the Cenotaph' if people had any confidence that the police would have done, because public disorder breeds public disorder. The idea that they all rallied because the Indian Home Secretary wrote a Times article is more reflective of how these mongs are led around by the nose by what they read on Twitter.
I would have let the pro-Hamas retards smash it to pieces (and beat Michael Gove to death for that matter). Let people see what politicians have created here.
Did they actually “threaten the Cenotaph” though? Or did Facebook just make up the scenario in its head again, and there’s enough wazzocks out there that believed it was actually a possibility and ultimately just got themselves arrested for nothing?
They "threatened" to chant during the silence at Cenotaph, which would be a very serious problem, because that's when our elites come together to pretend they care about the millions of plebs they sent to die after a Boznian shot an Austrian.
Some retard tried to set the flags on fire during the peaceful George Floyd protests (and received no serious sanction, unlike the white bloke who inadvertently had a wee near a police memorial), so it's not inconceivable that some have them might have broken away and ended up down Whitehall.
The George Floyd protests were a bit different in that there was a lot of Marxism and so on involved. These Palestine ones are Muslims talking to and about themselves. They don't know or care about white remembrance day. If anyone cared it would be the silly white leftist hangers-on.
The Mark Duggan riots are the benchmark.
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