The lot of them are a fucking joke. Leave. Remain. All of them are a load of wanky game players.
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
The lot of them are a fucking joke. Leave. Remain. All of them are a load of wanky game players.
Hence why Remain was the only option, you can't trust a modern politician to do anything properly so status quo it is.
Nah, I don't advocate that. Not unless public sentiment for leaving has vanished for leaving. Leaving is a choice but the politicians are too keen on partisan bullshit to work together a solution.
When it's a subject like the EU where so many people are annoyed at things that don't have anything to do with the EU. Good of the people > Will of the people.Originally Posted by Shindig
I was thinking last night that Steve Baker is the only good one left, and sure enough he has gone ape shit. Can I donate to whatever he does as a non-constituent? Obviously I can the DUP, since their constituency is the United Kingdom, but I feel both deserve my money.
The huns say no, so is that back to square one then?
Arlene's at the wheel.
They've voted down all the options. FFS.
Oliver Letwin back to his best, answering his critics.
Could there not just be be a symbolic brexit at this stage, seeing as you want it but don't actually want it.
Yeah, this actually.
What a fucking shambles.
Let's get some more votes.
They don't want Brexit, most of them have said as much previously.
I don't want to eat Nando's, so as a result you could put every conceivable option on their menu in front of me and I wouldn't choose any of it.
So let's just revoke and deal with the shit.
That Nando's thread brings back some memories. Namely you very nearly offering manc sean out.
I wouldn't want to question the oracle, but did I really do that?
I remember the thread, but can't recall that.
As an aside Lewis, how was WW2 paid for? Like covering mortgages etc.
Aye, fuck it. The worry is it presents a precedent for not following through with a democratic vote. Like if Corbyn wins the next election and then he decides to promote Dianne Abbott to be PM.
We don't vote for leaders in elections. (Not directly anyway)
And that happened with Brown taking over.
A 2nd referendum would just result in another Leave, right?
Polls saying it's around 60% remain now. But could be , who knows.
I'm not convinced it would, but if we have another one remain shouldn't even be on the ballot. We shouldn't have another one.
EDIT: We should never have another one again.
Let's just have Theresa on a boat with a banner saying, "Mission Attempted." and call that a win.
Coming from Switzerland, doing referendums seems like a no-brainer but introducing them into a system that only gets 1 every 20 years I now see is an absolute recipe for disaster.
A referendum can be fine if it is properly defined and with some idea of the outcome of the options proposed. Not the shit show Cameron festered on us in 2015. Shame on him.
It's broken politics in England, so was probably the most short-sighted thing I've seen politically in my lifetime.
It's a shame we have absolutely zero option to vote for in a general election considering the main parties are a complete shambles/disgrace.
Our voting system needs to move from FPTP.
What, as in how did people pay them, or how did the government finance the conflict? People I don't really know. Not many owned their own homes, and banking and insurance carried on reasonably normally, so presumably rent got paid as normal until your landlord got bombed to bits. The government just borrowed every penny that wasn't taxed out of people (National Savings Movement etc.), as well as sponging off America.
It would make no difference. Why would anyone of any ability get involved in politics from here on in? You get abuse, death threats, a crap salary relative to what you could get elsewhere, and if you're really lucky, shot dead.
Yeah, it was people I was thinking of. If I got called up tomorrow and am in a trench for the next 5 years, who is paying my mortgage? But I see you've answered that.
Absolutely. It's a complete shambles - Private Eye have been calling out the revolving door for years and it's just stop being covert. The complete shameless decision making for future personal gain is obvious in so many politicians these days. Or you've got complete idiots who seem to have forgotten how to have a critical thought.
If you click into this and go through the thread there's some interesting figures on Leave/Remain polling.
That it's barely moved despite everything is pretty great. Not that it's really relevant, otherwise general elections should have a two year cooling off period as well.
The May-era summed up that even when she let's other people lead the way literally everyone loses.
Only applicable to one outcome.
Like the once in a generation one the scotch had and now want to re-have.
It's fine as long as the right choice is reached.
Really they should have had an AV system for their indicative votes tonight. Really stick it to the man.
"Alright, let's take this 5th vote of the wording of the referendum ballot."
Fuck it, give the public a referendum on every option they've voted on today. Use PR rather than FPTP. The outcome is legally binding. No wriggle room.
Yanis on Question Time now.
Is he doing his 'The European Union is evil so you must never leave' bit?
He hasn't spoken yet.
"This is a deal a nation signs only having been defeated at war"
Close enough. Go to 'Norway Plus', and then decide whether to re-join in 2025. Hopefully Greece has recovered by then.
That video of Gove running round in red short-shorts is enough to get me onboard for a political revolution.
The only thing keeping me going is that it's causing everyone involved with it absolute misery
Well, they should've backed Angela Leadsom. Or Johnson should've ... like, stood. Or Gove. Or did they really not want the job either?
Rumours of a heel turn from the PLP to get the deal through, my word that would be funny. Seumas's head on a spike.
Apparently two MPs have been offered 100 million quid each in funding for their vote.
There's going to be 150 Lords added in the next few months if these sorts of rumours are true.
It's a shame we can't revoke it but keep article 50 as a bargaining chip. Because we've seen what triggering it gets us. Unless we pull shapes behind the curtain to feasibly have an escape route from the EU.
What?
I dunno, I'm throwing shit at the wall at this stage.
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