I can't see even the biggest remain Conservatives caving the government in over this. Not that it matters. We won't get anything out of them regardless.
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
I can't see even the biggest remain Conservatives caving the government in over this. Not that it matters. We won't get anything out of them regardless.
The negotiations with Europe will be crap no matter what. Just send them with a cross party mandate and start negotiating.
Juncker et al must be loving this. They're determined to punish whoever doesn't kowtow to them.
The pro-remain Tories won't risk collapsing the government, surely. If they turn it into a confidence vote, they'd have to vote for it.
I don't disagree that this is bollocks from May, but there's literally no alternative at this point. I'm not convinced Boris is feasible, unless the Leave lot all run on a combined 'clean slates' ticket to force it through whilst shoving an extra £350m into the NHS from a tax on yoga classes and fruit smoothies.
Let's 'ave it, Europe.
Norman Lamont looks like he died a month ago.
At this point they have to ditch austerity and shoot Jeremy's fox with Boris charisma and £350 million a year for the NHS (which they were going to do if Boris won last year).
May is toast.
She's definitely done, but I reckon they won't knife her for a month or two. Who are the options, realistically? Rudd and Boris is as far as I get before writing them off, and you can't have Rudd because her majority is too small. For fuck sake.
Ditching austerity is all great isn't it, but we're still borrowing a ton to fund it so it's a non-starter. Unless people are prepared to pay more tax, but then everyone complains at that unless it's other people paying it.
*sigh*Originally Posted by GS
That's not how economics works. It isn't accountancy.
You'd think that at a time like this you might be a little open to fresh ideas.
I need a super cut of all the anti-Corbyn labour types having to admit they were wrong. Now.
This is basically the 2010 result, except with the Tories doing better. "A time like this" indeed.
So when should we expect Corbyn's resignation? You know, since Labour are 60-odd seats off May and her disastrous campaign.
Isn't there a slight danger for Labour that this is potentially 'peak Corbyn' and by keeping him on (which they obviously sort of have to do) they probably risk if not losing, then not winning against a less than totally incompetent Conservative effort in however many years (months/weeks/days)? Although whether that materialises is perhaps debatable.
For all the talk of the Conservatives being a ruthless electoral machine they haven't half been shit since coming back into government in its various guises. They were a bit bollocksed by having to deal with the aftermath of no more boom and bust in the coalition, but having weathered that and won an unlikely majority in 2015 their hubris has monumentally fucked them, twice. Is it because they're all a bunch of sub-civil service quality numpties?
I'd imagine Labour would do better in another election now that people recognise that's a bit more than a cat in hell's chance of them actually getting somewhere.
There is that, but there is also a fucklot of anti-Corbyn sentiment out there (as in proper poisonous hatred of the type that some lefties have about Thatcher) so he'd never get past a certain high water mark.
Just looking at the numbers here, you have:
Tories 317 (excluding Bercow)
Labour 262
SNP 35
LD 12
DUP 10
SF 7
Plaid 4
Green 1
Speaker 1
Independent unionist 1
The effective majority required is 321, as if it's a tie the speaker votes with the government. So they have a working majority of 12. They can lose six Tories per vote on any EU issue and it doesn't matter. A rainbow coalition would reach 314 with Labour, SNP, LD, Plaid and Green all voting the same way. You'd assume that Labour would lose a handful of Leave supporting MPs like Frank Field on a straight up-and-down on European issues, and I can't imagine Lady Hermon voting with Labour giving the IRA spent years trying to assassinate her husband. So they can probably lose about a dozen Tory MPs in the ultra-important votes, but that could vary vote by vote.
The Tories could end up having to turn every EU vote into a confidence measure, whereby the government basically collapses if it doesn't get through. What a time it's going to be.
The Tories have thrown it away through a series of hubristic own goals, unfortunately. Cameron would have walked to a majority against him.
We should give him a peerage and bring him back as Prime Minister. Fuck it.
There's some proper seething over the DUP, now that people from outside the province have remembered that we actually exist.
Yeah, everyone loved Cameron.
I have to say it's a bit dodgy propping up a government with people who have their gay views.
Boris and back to the country please. If that means Jeremy 200 majority then so be it, this result is crap.
'I never voted for this!' I didn't see 'Progressive Alliance' on the ballot either lads, and yet...There's some proper seething over the DUP, now that people from outside the province have remembered that we actually exist.
It's a devolved issue, so it's just tough shit isn't it.
In other THINGS THAT DEFINITELY HAPPENED news
It's not just luvvie lefties that pull this sort of shit.
I can well imagine that happening if it's in London. It's not enough in that city to believe you are right; you also have to demonstrate to everyone that you believe you are right.
Could you imagine an election campaign of Boris vs Corbyn?
At 6 in the morning? Who's hanging out at a cafe at that time for one?
edit: Ah shit my time settings are wrong on this laptop. Okay, it's slightly more believable but still didn't happen.
It says 2.52pm on my display.
I'd rather not.
They should let her do the Brexit negotiations, then when she fucks them up they can torpedo her and blame her for it.
People are going a bit mad on both sides but I don't think there's anyone enjoying today more than old Gideon.
You can hardly blame him, to be fair.
Reshuffle Klaxon. Timothy is on his way out too, which is entirely right given he's responsible for the social care fuck up.
Sinn Fein holding a conference.
Imagine.......
Slightly disappointed he's not using a voice modulator.
Gotta give Corbyn credit, didn't think in a million years he had this in him.
Is correct. The only question is working out which of them should have their metaphorical backs against the wall first.
There is something they can do, which is install Boris now in a highly co-ordinated coup.
That fake DUP terrorist link image going round
What's that?That fake DUP terrorist link image going round
They did in fact support Ulster Resistance, among other dodginess.
They'll take her team apart as a prelude, but I really can't imagine Graham Brady won't be knocking on the door very, very soon to tell her to start packing.
The state of this:
Looks Strong and Stable to me.
When its this:
Not denying the ties but the hysteria of today leads to gullible fecks.
Is that her real face?
Let's go again on Monday. Polling stations all rigged up and ready.They'll take her team apart as a prelude, but I really can't imagine Graham Brady won't be knocking on the door very, very soon to tell her to start packing.
The state of this:
Bang on time. You can always trust the Tories.
I would absolutely love to be in the '22 Whatsapp group. They're probably by now in the final stages of how to dispose of the body.
The reshuffle has been postponed to tomorrow as well. It might happen. Boris by Monday.
Any validity to this from Jonathan Powell?
You're talking shit, Powell. John Major did do that, if "that" means trading favours to the UUP in exchange for votes, which is presumably exactly what is being countenanced with the DUP.
God this is mental isn't it? Apparently they were saying 'if it mattered' Sinn Fein would have taken their seats and sucked the Queen's cunt.
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