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    I wonder if she could do the eyebrow. That'd be great.

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    No way could she sell a stunner like the Rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Corbz: 'It's not so much the Iron Lady as the irony lady'

    That doesn't work, Jeremy. In fact it's fucking spastic.
    He didn't say that, surely.

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    There is a Labour Party broadcast on BBC1 about Our NHS, moaning about the bus slogan as if anybody cares, and promising to spend more money on it. Right. Any other reasons to vote for Jeremy Corbyn?

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    Every time I see either Guy Verhofstadt or Jean-Claude Juncker on telly, all hints of concern about the economic impact are wiped away.

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    Now that's small time. In fact, if we'd had such a reply to a post on here we'd call it SEETHING.

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    Perhaps, but only by those who don't recognise it for what it actually is - a play on one of their more famous covers of the past:


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    Trying to defeat the Germans with humour is a bold strategy to say the least.

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    Martin McGuinness has been replaced by a woman, and she has just given a Nicola Sturgeon-like speech about the mandate to remain in Europe. If it really did threaten the peace process, would the onus not be on the likes of Sinn Fein to wind it in?

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    I just don't get those arguments. There's also a MANDATE for Brixton to stay in the EU, and a MANDATE for Kiko's flat to stay in the EU, although his neighbour has a MANDATE to leave.

    I've recently become acquainted to The New European newspaper. Goodness me.

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    Speaking of which. Arron 'World's Chippiest Man' Banks' new 'Westmonster' venture is pretty tragic. It's like Breitbart, except for... Oh, they have a British section, and have done for three years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Martin McGuinness has been replaced by a woman, and she has just given a Nicola Sturgeon-like speech about the mandate to remain in Europe. If it really did threaten the peace process, would the onus not be on the likes of Sinn Fein to wind it in?
    Sinn Fein and the SNP exist to destroy the union. What they do, they do because it believes it will help destroy the union. What they forbear, they forbear because they believe it will not help to destroy the union.

    That's literally all it is. The peace process isn't in any serious danger, so they have flexibility to spin a narrative that suggests we're being shafted. Support for reunification had a whole nine point swing post EU referendum and is still 63-22 for the union, so I think we're fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Martin McGuinness has been replaced by a woman, and she has just given a Nicola Sturgeon-like speech about the mandate to remain in Europe. If it really did threaten the peace process, would the onus not be on the likes of Sinn Fein to wind it in?
    As long as she has that full face of make up I'd probably go wild on her.

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    It turns out this Trident failure was nothing to do with the UK (the submarine, which is what the vote for renewal was on) but rather the navigation of the missile. The submarine commander just sticks co-ordinates into a computer. It's American proprietary technology, and they asked us not to disclose it because what possible benefit would you derive from doing so.

    Still, it's good to see that the synthetic outrage you would expect didn't transpire after the failed test was disclosed. It's not like the Mirror have denounced it as a DISASTER over the front page.

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    I really don't understand the issue with the Trident test failure. A test happened, there was a failure, presumably lessons were learnt... and of course they aren't going to make it public. A complete none issue as far as I can see.

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    I think the papers are gearing up to get rid of May. Seems like they're looking for leverage to make that happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    I really don't understand the issue with the Trident test failure. A test happened, there was a failure, presumably lessons were learnt... and of course they aren't going to make it public. A complete none issue as far as I can see.
    Because we should have scrapped it and spent it on agency nurses and benefit frauds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    I think the papers are gearing up to get rid of May. Seems like they're looking for leverage to make that happen.
    It'll take them 2-3 years minimum. No threat to her from within politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    I think the papers are gearing up to get rid of May. Seems like they're looking for leverage to make that happen.
    The Mirror and the Guardian, perhaps. The others are firmly on board the Brexit train (or at least appear to have reconciled themselves to it), and she's giving them the hard Brexit (or Brexit as non wankers call it) they're after. They won't want rid of her.

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    Lol so Parliament will vote whether to trigger article 50. I bet they vote against it, and the only thing triggered will be half the population.

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    Nah. Corbyn has said the result should be respected and the Tories will vote for it. I suspect it's merely them stating that they want to ensure we don't get shafted by whatever deal we get.

    It'll probably just be the porridge munchers that vote against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Lol so Parliament will vote whether to trigger article 50. I bet they vote against it, and the only thing triggered will be half the population.
    The Commons won't block it. The Lords could try, but I suspect they wouldn't dare. You might get one or two who try, but there's almost no chance it doesn't go through.

    The big one is the devolved administrations being told to do one. If anything, the net benefit of the court case is with the UK government because of it. They have legal cover for telling the Scottish Nats to fuck off.

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    Can't believe they managed to find enough openly gay fencers to vote it through. I'm having an Enemies of the People march next week if you'd like to join.

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    Absolutely no way the government will lose a vote. Anyone who opposes it on any grounds other than the timing not being right is essentially saying that the referendum result should be ignored, which is both anti-democratic (Tim Farron voted to have the referendum!) and a one way ticket to the end of their political career.

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    Look at all this elitest smugness and assumption. Don't fucking tell me what will and won't happen. It's getting blocked, and we're taking to the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Absolutely no way the government will lose a vote. Anyone who opposes it on any grounds other than the timing not being right is essentially saying that the referendum result should be ignored, which is both anti-democratic (Tim Farron voted to have the referendum!) and a one way ticket to the end of their political career.
    There's still something like 48% of remain voters who want to stop it happening, and the liberals have doubled their support amongst the remain crowd. Presumably because they're unashamedly anti democracy.

    Not that it really matters. They have nine MPs, for fuck sake. The mystery is why Tim Farron gets so much coverage. It must be for the sake of variety.

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    While I concede that Tim Farron is terribly dull (good work on the Milwall CPO though) Nigel Farage has never held public office and UKIP have one MP.

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    UKIP also get too much coverage. If you apportioned coverage correctly, it would be about 60% Tories, 25% Labour and the rest jocks and others, but news editors go for stories rather than that.

    Farage and Banks are so useless they were almost Remain agents in the referendum. Farage helped the referendum to be called in the first place, but to give him any credit for the result is nonsensical.

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    I saw a Twitter reply to Andrew Neil from an @Westmonster and I assumed it was Aaron Banks' new project that Lewis mentioned above. Turns out it's just some leftist anti-Iraq war blogger from the mid 00s. Good brand choice there, Aaron.

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    Having said all that, I was talking to my super secret source in the Labour party last night and he thinks UKIP are going to absolutely piss the Stoke by-election (and challenge in Copeland).

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    You, then?

    EDIT: FFS Jim.

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    I'm far closer to a 'meme magician' than a 'blogger' if we're going to go with the hip terms.

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    I'd say you're more of a Twitter twat.

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    I'm alt-Twat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Having said all that, I was talking to my super secret source in the Labour party last night and he thinks UKIP are going to absolutely piss the Stoke by-election (and challenge in Copeland).
    If they can't win there given the circumstances, they might as well close the party down.

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    Labour would vote against it if they could get away with it (and you can see why Team Timmy might want to), but aren't two thirds of their MPs sitting in heavy leave constituencies? Not that I necessarily think that they would all switch to UKIP in the way that the bitter Scotch have, but why even risk it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Labour would vote against it if they could get away with it (and you can see why Team Timmy might want to), but aren't two thirds of their MPs sitting in heavy leave constituencies? Not that I necessarily think that they would all switch to UKIP in the way that the bitter Scotch have, but why even risk it?
    That's exactly why they can't risk it. I know people go on about the gap between the establishment and the people, but there really is no better illustration then the Labour heartlands. They wouldn't be voting for them if it wasn't "legacy" voting. Hard to see Tristram Hunt down the mines.

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    Peter Mandelson fixing it for Tristram Hunt to become MP for Stoke-on-Trent Central, and the subsequent events, is about the most New Labour thing ever. Well, Jamie's Italian aside.

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    It would be suicidal from a remain perspective to vote down (or even heavily obstruct) an Article 50 vote.

    Blocked in the commons, immediate general election with a Conservative landslide. Blocked in the lords, immediate general election, conservative landslide, abolition of the Lords. Neither outcome is at all beneficial to the remain cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    It'll take them 2-3 years minimum. No threat to her from within politics.
    Explain like I'm five: when Davey C resigned and May stepped up, how long does she have a legit right to remain in charge?

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    Till 2020, isn't it? The fixed term parliament act made parliaments five years long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    Explain like I'm five: when Davey C resigned and May stepped up, how long does she have a legit right to remain in charge?
    Until whenever, she's just as legitimate a Prime Minister as any of the other elected MPs would be should they be able to form a government.

    Gordon Brown managed three years under those circumstances, so did Callaghan, Major two years, it must have happened countless other times.

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    Wee Jimmy Krankie thrashing around is pretty lol. Give it up, son.

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    Didn't you hear? A second referendum is even more even more likely now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    Explain like I'm five: when Davey C resigned and May stepped up, how long does she have a legit right to remain in charge?
    The only time in the post-war period that any party bothered to call an election after a change of leadership was Eden in 1955, but they were due one within the year anyway. Four of the last five PMs who've won an election for their party (Major in 1992 being the exception, but he'd taken over from Thatcher less than a year and a half before) have handed the leadership over during the parliament without going back to the country, so it's just another synthetic excuse for whinging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Shearer The 2nd View Post
    Didn't you hear? A second referendum is even more even more likely now...
    I was reading some polling analysis the other week which suggests that Sturgeon's rhetoric is actually proving counter-productive. She's basically talking to the 27% of people who voted both Yes and Remain, so she's alienating the Leave crowd rightly and the polls simply aren't moving at all in their direction. There's a certain enjoyment to be derived from May basically ignoring her. Cameron would probably have bottled it and went down the appeasement line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    I was reading some polling analysis the other week which suggests that Sturgeon's rhetoric is actually proving counter-productive. She's basically talking to the 27% of people who voted both Yes and Remain, so she's alienating the Leave crowd rightly and the polls simply aren't moving at all in their direction. There's a certain enjoyment to be derived from May basically ignoring her. Cameron would probably have bottled it and went down the appeasement line.
    Wouldn't be surprised, she seems to be actively pissing off more and more people with every passing day who aren't fully paid-up SNP. Sooner or later she's going to have to put up or shut up and I hope it's soon because the massive chip on the shoulder is one hell of a ball ache to be subjected to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Shearer The 2nd View Post
    Wouldn't be surprised, she seems to be actively pissing off more and more people with every passing day who aren't fully paid-up SNP. Sooner or later she's going to have to put up or shut up and I hope it's soon because the massive chip on the shoulder is one hell of a ball ache to be subjected to.
    What's the general view in Scotland on all of this, objectively speaking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    What's the general view in Scotland on all of this, objectively speaking?
    Well I think we've reached peak SNP. As far as people I actually know go, I think there's only one who would vote differently in another referendum and it would be to remain in the UK rather than leave. A lot of 'yessers' and SNP voters I know were also for leaving the EU though, despite what the SNP might like to think. Not sure what those people expect though as fully independent from the UK and EU is never on the cards.

    Really don't see where the extra numbers would come from for them to win another referendum. In the immediate aftermath of the brexit vote there was a lot of huff and puff about it but I'd have thought the economic argument has been torpedoed thoroughly enough to prevent enough former no's from changing their minds.

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