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Thread: The UK Politics Thread [Wot did Jez do now...]

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    We went to the Cenotaph today, was pretty good even if some of the pomp is a bit lol. Saw John Bercow up close and breifly got in his way. He thanked me for moving whilst also looking at me like I'm a cunt.

    My phone has also been blowing up (3 text messages(!!!!)) With people telling me they saw me on tv. How do you start an IMDb page?

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    I'm reading Tim Shipman's Brexit book, and, having finished the campaign bits, I think you could make a strong case for Dominic Cummings as the greatest living Englishman. He knew exactly how they would win it, ignored everybody telling him otherwise, played the press like whatever those eighty million Turks play, and even saw off a coup attempt by telling the plotters what a shit job they were making of it whilst they were doing it.

    It's definitely worth reading, and most people come out of it with their reputations enhanced except for David Cameron (saw it all in party-management terms, and clearly never understood the Eurosceptics); his innermost circle of gimps (complacent, and seemingly found wanting without the newspapers on their side); Nigel Farage, Arron 'Chippiest Man Alive' Banks, and the other UKIP idiots (just wanted to talk about immigration from the off, and then use defeat as a Farage vehicle); Labour tribalists (made everything more difficult with their separate campaign, and ignored it all until too late because they were more bothered about local elections); and obviously the European stiffs.

    Gideon comes out of it looking quite good. He called it all in advance (he never wanted a referendum), and, despite his shit interventions blowing up in his face (as well as his own party management crap), you can see how he was willing to gamble his credibility and his career for something he truly believed in. Plus he never took it all personally like Cameron did, falling out with Michael Gove and keeping an enemies list of people who to shaft in the post-victory re-shuffle. But then journalists have been saying for years that he is a top, top bloke, whilst Cameron is a bit of a low-level dickhead, so that would be about right. Also, Jezza gets the benefit of the doubt, since he just comes across as a hapless tit being sabotaged by Seamus Milne.

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    I'll read that. Dominic Cummings was getting sworded by the pesto posse throughout the campaign, so I imagine he'll have a good Christmas.

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    Number 10 JUST DON'T GET IT with their results night 'moussaka and bottled beer'.

    The grief lobbed at Andrew Marr earlier for interviewing Marine Le Pen on TODAY OF ALL DAYS made me lol. Let's just ignore the other bloke he had on, who loves the IRA and wants rid of the Falklands.

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    I'm surprised Wor Jez is still considered relevant enough to bother interviewing.

    A Le Pen win in France would be hilarious, if only for the sanctimonious hand-wringing it would elicit from Miliband, Farron, Clegg et al. The progressive majority is struggling, certainly.

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    This sort of thing is why you're getting President Trump.

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    I don't think it's 'the left' crying about that.

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    Cynically cashing in on dead soldiers is fine, just act solemn.

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    I reckon she's some sort of recovering nutter.

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    It's an episode of Quantum Leap where DMX has to solve a middle-aged woman's marital problems. Except he tries to rebuild his rap career because he's DMX and he's skint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    This sort of thing is why you're getting President Trump.
    That one's 100% your lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    That one's 100% your lot.
    I wasn't being entirely serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    I wasn't being entirely serious.
    It can be a bit hard to tell, given the actual crazies on both sides.

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    Everyone's now moaning about the prospect of a Lord Farage. Surely they realised that if you had an elected Lords (by PR!) he would be among the first five people through the democratically elected door?

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    Anyone watching Question Time? That bint Cat Boyd going on about the EU referendum with supposedly such strong views then admits to abstaining from voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Shearer The 2nd View Post
    Anyone watching Question Time? That bint Cat Boyd going on about the EU referendum with supposedly such strong views then admits to abstaining from voting.
    The collective moan after she said it, then also after she said "I was out the country at the time." Such a fucking wanker. "I'm not a politician, I'm a human rights activist" - you're an attention seeker, sweetheart.

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    http://order-order.com/2016/11/18/la...blocking-bill/

    Labour attempting to kill a bill designed to restore greater parity in the voting system and remove their in-built bias. I'm sure we're all shocked.

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    This is quite interesting. It's from internal Vote Leave polling. It suggests that there was a stable 31% (or so) who were always going to vote to stay, but that the strengthening of the "Out" vote continued throughout. In the end, the Vote Leave side won enough round to "taking the risk" of voting to leave.

    It's also interesting that was still around 15% of people by the fortnight before the vote who wanted to vote leave, but perhaps not enough to run the perceived risk of it. It sort of demonstrates the core point that the UK has always been Eurosceptic in the main, and the clear Europhile tendency exhibited in the political classes just isn't particularly prevalent in the populace as a whole.

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    While we've all been distracted by Trump, this has been happening - 'Extreme surveillance' becomes UK law with barely a whimper.

    Great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    While we've all been distracted by Trump, this has been happening - 'Extreme surveillance' becomes UK law with barely a whimper.

    Great.
    Yeah that's fucking awful.

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    The Guardian can hardly whinge about it, they've been the ones diverting all their resources into moaning about elections in other countries. Journalists are supposed to highlight such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    The Guardian can hardly whinge about it, they've been the ones diverting all their resources into moaning about elections in other countries. Journalists are supposed to highlight such things.
    Yeah, I agree. I first saw something about it on Twitter a couple of days ago and couldn't find anything about it on The Guardian at the time. It seems to have barely been covered anywhere.

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    They've also (in common with other newspapers, but more hypocritically in their case) been sacking good and experienced journalists hand over fist of late.

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    Okay, but still, the issue isn't really journalism here, is it?

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    What is the issue, more howling at the moon because the opposition is too incompetent to mitigate any of the terrible legislation that all governments write? Same problem the Tories had in the late 90s.

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    Yes, it's the opposition's fault that the government are making terrible laws.

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    Shouldn't have done it imo.

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    Sooo....when does this start? And can anyone recommend a decent VPN?

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    Opera browser has a built-in VPN

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    Was always going to happen. Always.

    Dare I say a VPN or any sort of encryption will be lighting up the needles in the haystacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    Opera browser has a built-in VPN
    That's not going to hide traffic coming through torrent clients though, is it?

    Does it keep logs or anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    That's not going to hide traffic coming through torrent clients though, is it?

    Does it keep logs or anything?
    Yes, all traffic would go through the tunnel. It would be slower, though.

    EDIT: sorry missed the Opera thing.

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    There was some Indian browser that done a built in something or other too. Can't remember it's fucking name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Yes, it's the opposition's fault that the government are making terrible laws.
    An effective opposition draws attention to terrible legislation, and makes its passage very difficult and / or impossible. It mobilises sympathetic media outlets to highlight the issue and concerns, and uses this to put pressure on backbenchers in government ranks to break the whip. They've a majority of 12, they should be incapable of getting shit legislation through.

    But no - we have an opposition who are still fighting amongst themselves over whether socialism is the way forward, and a 'liberal' media who have spent the last five months in existential crisis over Brexit and now Trump.

    It's shit legislation, but this is what happens when nobody holds government to account properly. Assuming Cameron had the same Commons majority in the last parliament, this wouldn't have got through because Wor Ed would have mobilised Labour properly and there was no virtue-signalling over other countries which the media would have been engaging in in lieu of reporting the fucking news.

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    This is amazing, by the way. The fucking state of the lad:


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    He looks like he should be on a ventriloquist's lap.

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    I've just watched that. His LinkedIn bills him as follows:

    A communications professional with extensive experience working at senior levels at the heart of government and within a political party. A track record of designing and delivering multi-platform communications strategies and providing strategic advice to extremely senior political figures. An aptitude for conducting media relations in a high pressure, fast moving and sensitive environment. Skilled in crisis communications and reputation management.
    You reckon, mate?

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    Those last two are striking.

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    His record of 'providing strategic advice to extremely senior political figures' sounds good until you scroll down and see that he means Nick Clegg. Was your advice shit, or did he just ignore you? Either way...

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    I read a great article a few months back on the British establishment. It took the view that the British establishment wasn't a closed shop, in the sense that you could work your way into it. The issue was that it was impossible to fall out of it, no matter how shit you proved to be in your supposed speciality. Once you made it in, there was always a cushy number to fall back on as part of the chumocracy.

    This lad seems a prime example. Ryan Coetzee is another one - he oversaw the Lib Dem campaign in 2015, yet somehow - somehow - got an incredibly senior position in Stronger In regardless - on Nick Clegg's recommendation, no less. Well played, lads.

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    Adam Crozier.

    The CEO gravy train is one of the most absurd aspects of modern society.

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    David Gill as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    I read a great article a few months back on the British establishment. It took the view that the British establishment wasn't a closed shop, in the sense that you could work your way into it. The issue was that it was impossible to fall out of it, no matter how shit you proved to be in your supposed speciality. Once you made it in, there was always a cushy number to fall back on as part of the chumocracy.

    This lad seems a prime example. Ryan Coetzee is another one - he oversaw the Lib Dem campaign in 2015, yet somehow - somehow - got an incredibly senior position in Stronger In regardless - on Nick Clegg's recommendation, no less. Well played, lads.
    Was that the Janan Ganesh one? The irony there is that his seamless rise to saying/writing nothing of note for money is largely down to associating with the right politicians at the right time.

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    I don't think is particularly different to any other sector really - in my area there are plenty of dickheads who I've seen go onto to various high-level roles when they've got the smarts of a piece of toast. Even further up it can't be that different, except you also get fuck off golden hello/goodbye payments.

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    The Peter Principle is the closest humanity has ever come to a unified theory of everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Was that the Janan Ganesh one? The irony there is that his seamless rise to saying/writing nothing of note for money is largely down to associating with the right politicians at the right time.
    I think it was, aye.

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    Milo's been banned from speaking at a school by the "Department For Education’s counter extremism unit".

    lol

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    Ahaha.

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    It sounds like they advised them to cancel it on security grounds, which is still bollocks, but he seems to be spinning it as them shutting it down because they consider him to be an 'extremist', presumably because his stock has tanked since Twitter banned him.

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