Christian values or something.Originally Posted by Lewis
Christian values or something.
I don't dispute that, but I can see why this video has provoked the outrage that he is. He's basically advocating sexual assault.How much outrage that video has caused. That people would care more about something he said twenty years ago as opposed to whether he would make a good president. If that does not deserve a, then I don't know what does.
He wasn't fit for the presidency anyway, but videos like this make it very difficult for anybody on the Republican side to continue pretending that his election is a means to an end.
They could easily shrug it away like they've done every other thing. As you pointed out, it is a sinking ship and this is just a pretend outrage to claim they are somehow above him.
I don't think it's pretend outrage - it's definitely on another level.
That said, it's certainly being used 'conveniently' to give some of them an excuse to get in a life raft. Which is fine, really, you can't blame them.
Even my missus thought it was not a big of a deal, and she labels herself a feminist.
If you'd already accepted he was a sexist shitbag of course it's not a big deal, but it'll be a line in the sand for plenty of people who'd previously been on his side. You could spin all the previous public sexism as him protecting a brand or playing a character for exposure, but a completely candid moment in which he essentially admits to and encourages sexual assault cannot be spun.
Everybody sucked it up and got on board because they 1) allowed themselves to think that he might just win; and/or 2) hate 'Hillary' that much. Now the pressure is on, it is falling apart, and they need an out before the entire brand gets pulled down the bog with him. Do you really think John McCain has sat through him shitting on prisoners of war and immigrants (famously wanted to give illegals citizenship, and he has an adopted Bangladeshi daughter), only to suddenly remember what public service is all about when, to the surprise of absolutely nobody, it turns out that 'The Donald' lols about fannies?
Mike Pence is 50-1 to win the Presidency, and I'm not convinced that doesn't represent good value.
EDIT: Also:Ew
He's not just lolled at women, he's basically admitted to sexual assault. Is it that hard to see to see the difference? The fact that it was candid and not a 'performance' just makes it worse.
But is that truly worse than cynical moralising? The really important thing is to take a pop at anyone who thinks they have any kind of moral high ground.
Merts gone quiet?
I wonder why.....
Did he ever take that bet? Lol
We know what mert will say. Locker room braggadocio. You'd have to be a cuck not to talk like that. Something something alpha something. Masculinity. Bill Clinton. Baseball baseball baseball.
What Trump said is gross, but that's not news. What Trump and his defenders don't seem to get is that it's what he did that is appalling people beyond than his standard baseline of odiousness.
This is going to be so Corbyn. I genuinely think if this goes how I think it will he'll make the ballot for 2020.
http://www.theatlantic.com/education...debate/503327/
But fuck paying adjuncts more than poverty wages.
Good that none of us was invited.According to Steve Givens, the man in charge of debate preparations at Washington University, “it’s an addition to [students’] educational experience here that is almost priceless.”
This will turn into a Jerry Springer episode, won't it?
They were supposed to talk policy with voters tonight.
DRAMA is more important.
Bringing the women Billy C has raped is pretty lol.
He's like a cornered animal at this point. The fact that the GOP by large is still tethered to him is amazing.
Genuinely looking forward to this. It could be a complete car crash and I can't wait.
The size of that bald lad in the audience.
Is he pissed?
The fuck is Trump on about? He's a waffling mess.
How is 'Latinos' not a racist term?
Name dropping old man Bill
Here we go. Rape! *sniff* RAPE!
Fuck me, this is descending into Jeremy Kyle territory.
He's blowing his load way too early.
He has her on this, but nobody cares.
He has been crushing this since ten minutes in, but those ten minutes set the NARRATIVE, so it comes across as a giant seethe rather than an aggressive performance.
Imagine if he won and this was the turning point.
That Syrian no-fly zone is madder than anything 'The Donald' has proposed. It is utterly deranged.
I truly have no idea how you read politics.
He's been taking wild swings. Some have definitely hit, some definitely haven't, but he's just not following up on the ones that connect. This will steady the ship, but it won't win him any undecideds.
And he's already ensured that the headlines are going to be about Bill Clinton, which is a deeply losing issue for him. It keeps the whole last week front and centre in everyone's mind.
EDIT: Although him repeatedly bringing up Sanders may be the smartest thing he's done all campaign. Trying to shed voters from the left isn't likely to win, but it's a decent strategy if you're losing the middle.
I can just see the narrative that will spun after this and it don't look good for Trump. I reckon he's done.
Right, but this was meant to be a slow motion car crash of him falling apart over those tapes. With that in mind, how is this anything other than a win for him?
Rand got that one spot on. Rand.
I do think Donald is 'winning" so far.
I'm kind of alright with him steadying the ship. If he tanked massively, there would start to be pressure on him to resign. This campaign has been incredibly grubby, and both candidates have gotten dirty. Pence could come in and be seen as above it all. He gets all the benefits of months and months of anti-Clinton campaigning, with very little dirt on his own hands.
Frankly, that would be a genius strategy if the Republicans had the chutzpah to attempt it.
Nobody seriously expected the debate to be an hour of Trump pontificating about women. And Clinton probably (and rightly) feels that the damage is done and she can't home in on it too much, or else she'll seem opportunistic. Double standards and all.
That fat, bald bloke looks like he's on the verge of a heart attack.
"Bullying is up". What the fuck does that even mean?
Clinton has such shitty answers on all of the "shady but it's how politics works" stuff that it's ridiculous. She's actually really lucky to be up against a non-potty trained chihuahua.
Then again a more traditional Republican would have the same "balls deep in politics sausage making" flaws so maybe it evens out.
Pretty much this. It's not like McCain, Romney (especially Romney), or even Obama could have pulled those levers too hard.
This election does make me wonder what would happen if a party ran a complete outsider with no political background, but who wasn't a raging asshole.
Whatever happened over the hour, this was meant to be the end. He won't win the thing, but, as you said, he has steadied the ship. That is nothing short of a miracle.
"When they go low we go high."
'Did I tell you about when the Donald...'
Is it though? They were never going to spend an hour asking him if he's a rapist.
He was at 4-1, now he's at 7-2: That's a move from 20% to 22%.
I know you want him to be donning proceedings, but this debate is basically the status quo. Nobody seriously expected him to go in and implode. Town Hall meetings suit him, and after the week he's had, he would have been coached to death. And he'd probably even be convinced to listen.
"Mr Trump, tell us all about grabbing her by the pussy."
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