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    Ten years ago: lol

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    May setting out that the authority of the EU over this country is going to end.

    What scenes these are.


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    She is absolutely clueless.

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    She may be, but providing we fuck off the single market then I give not a fuck.

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    I bet she voted leave like Jezza did.

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    It seems to be reasonably clear what the deal is going to be, anyway. Very much along the lines that you'd want, so fuck the whingers.

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    Apparently the leader of UKIP has resigned already. It's been what? 3 weeks?

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    Presumably they've realised their best hope lies in mobilising the disaffected Labour masses in the north and someone like Steven Woolfe is infinitely better placed to do that.

    But it's UKIP, so it'll probably be something to do with an internal party lol-fest.

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    It's the latter


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    See, what she needed was a grass roots movement to harass, marginalise, and eventually oust the internal dissidents.

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    Theresa May is fucking awful.

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    We'd better get HARD BREXIT for all of this communism she wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Theresa May is fucking awful.
    I'm following it on Twitter which isn't the most balanced place obvs but it sounds mental.

    I think Theresa May / Jeremy Corbyn / Tim Farron might be the weakest set of leaders this countries had since the Empire fell apart.

    Anyone see the story about the way they plan to encourage youth to rent is to make the rooms smaller? Sounds fantastic.

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    Nigel is back. He's like Arnie considering the amount of times he comes back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Theresa May is fucking awful.
    It's difficult to escape this immediate conclusion. Fuck off with your state interference, Theresa, mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    We'd better get HARD BREXIT for all of this communism she wants.
    Providing we get hard Brexit, I'll quietly accept the other shit.

    I had a good lol at the idea of making firms publish lists of foreign workers though. I assume Rudd was compensating for being a remain campaigner, but who the fuck knows.

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    I might actually vote for WOR Theresa mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I might actually vote for WOR Theresa mate.
    Oh fuck off.

    Look what you've become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I might actually vote for WOR Theresa mate.
    I suspect that's her plan - to get about 40% in the next election.

    That said, the idea of excessive state intervention in the economy is grim. It's all a bit populist, presumably to try and address the perceived reasons behind the Brexit vote.

    Low taxes, low regulation, free markets. If you're after that, you're fucked seemingly.

    Still, Corbyn (lol) and Farron are absolutely awful so it's not like she's in danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I might actually vote for WOR Theresa mate.
    The alternatives are worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Oh fuck off.

    Look what you've become.
    I'm all aboard the Farron train, don't worry. Wor Tim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I'm all aboard the Farron train, don't worry. Wor Tim.
    I'd hope not. He's a comedy character.

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    Marine Le Pen gave May's speech a big thumbs up. Nice.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...will-look-like

    New army cadet units launched in state schools

    Fallon announced 150 new army cadet units for state schools, with the first launched on Tuesday at the Birmingham school at the centre of the “Trojan horse” row over alleged attempts to introduce a hardline Islamist ethos.

    Rockwood Academy, Fallon said, was “a phoenix from the ashes of a Trojan horse school that is now instilling British values”.

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    That 'citizen of nowhere' remark really has wound the knobheads up. If they're not careful, you could see this mass failure to understand and acknowledge things like nation and historical consciousness blowing right up in their faces.

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    I only saw bits of that Fallon speech yesterday, but some of it seemed properly off.

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    I'd counter the citizen of nowhere stuff by saying that a 'country that works for everyone' is in fact a country that works for no one. In politics you have to take sides.

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    What's this 'citizen of nowhere' stuff? Was it in May's speech? I've not actually listened to it or read it.

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    “if you believe you are a citizen of the world, you are a citizen of nowhere”

    She's meant it with reference to international banks, but naturally globe-trotting hippies (the sort of which I aspire to be) will have misintepreted it.

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    But today, too many people in positions of power behave as though they have more in common with international elites than with the people down the road, the people they employ, the people they pass in the street. But if you believe you’re a citizen of the world, you’re a citizen of nowhere. You don’t understand what the very word ‘citizenship’ means.
    In its actual context (it followed some guff about social contracts and tax avoidance and making a 'commitment to the men and women who live around you, who work for you, who buy the goods and services you sell') it strikes as exactly the sort of thing that the left ought to be basing its entire programme around. But then Marine Le Pen said it was a good soundbite on Twitter so lololol Adolf Hitler.

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    The thing is that Wor Jez shifting Labour to just right of Lenin means that the Tories look like they're applying 'common sense' in comparison. She'd probably win about 40%+ in a general election on this platform, even though it's incoherent.

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    That said, I would like to know what Tim Farron thinks makes him a 'citizen of the world'.

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    It wasn't until recently that I realised Farron was universally disliked. Every time he gets his lol question in at the end of PMQs there seems to be a collective groan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    The thing is that Wor Jez shifting Labour to just right of Lenin means that the Tories look like they're applying 'common sense' in comparison. She'd probably win about 40%+ in a general election on this platform, even though it's incoherent.
    It's not incoherent, it's trying to take this once in a lifetime opportunity to smash the Labour base open. She sounds like she's prepared to lose the parliamentary seat of Pret à Manger West in order to do so as well.

    Still, the Lib Dem Fightback looks like it might hit 25% in that seat so it must be going well.

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    Farage enjoyed his long break from politics, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    It wasn't until recently that I realised Farron was universally disliked. Every time he gets his lol question in at the end of PMQs there seems to be a collective groan.
    Apparently the MPs in his region are hiding behind pillars etc. at the station to avoid having to sit beside him on the train. A bit like Floyd belting down the road from the station to avoid getting into conversation with his workmate. If it's retrievable, then Labour would be in bother if Woolfe wins the UKIP leadership. Proper old-fashioned pincer movement on their wets. You'd be left with the London MPs, with "Chuka" and "Jeremy" having an arm wrestle to decide immigration policy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    It's not incoherent, it's trying to take this once in a lifetime opportunity to smash the Labour base open. She sounds like she's prepared to lose the parliamentary seat of Pret à Manger West in order to do so as well.

    Still, the Lib Dem Fightback looks like it might hit 25% in that seat so it must be going well.
    Well, in respect of trying to steal votes from Labour and UKIP - it's fine. You wonder if the Tory brand is irreparably damaged in the north, conditioned as many of them are to voting Labour because "we always have, mate".

    As part of an actual political philosophy, I'm not convinced "Mayism" is particularly coherent. Then again, it doesn't really matter at this stage. The alternatives are much worse.

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    Very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    Presumably they've realised their best hope lies in mobilising the disaffected Labour masses in the north and someone like Steven Woolfe is infinitely better placed to do that.

    But it's UKIP, so it'll probably be something to do with an internal party lol-fest.
    Who is now in serious condition in hospital after an 'altercation'. This all smacks of liberal sabotage.

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    Ukip leadership favourite Steven Woolfe collapses in European parliament

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...y_to_clipboard

    Farage has probably poisoned him.

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    British political life would benefit from more regular punch-ups.

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    Apparently he was 'punched in the head several times'. Sounds more like an assault than an altercation.

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    One punch murders.

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    It was the aptly-named Mike Hookem wot done it. York-shire! York-shire! York-shire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    It was the aptly-named Mike Hookem wot done it. York-shire! York-shire! York-shire!
    He looks like Mike from Spaced who, if the series had carried on into this decade, probably would have had a storyline involving becoming a UKIP MEP.

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    Liberal twitter (so Twitter) shitting itself about 59% of people backing the listing foreign workers thing. I wonder when they will realise that Twitter is a right-on echo chamber.

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    It's a stupid idea (like it was when Ed Miliband floated it), but how does it differ from the government forcing companies to reveal what it pays men and women? Shit passive-aggressive social engineering is shit passive-aggressive social engineering, and it can fuck off in all of its forms.

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    I'm not even sure why they need this 'list of foreigners'. Surely the tax record already includes all this information?

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    It's so they can gang up on Uber / Starbucks / the Chinese down the road for not employing any Brits later on. An 'escape goat', as a foreign scumbag once said.

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    I thought this was a good read: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/ma...facturing.html - very relevant to Brexit as well.

    Likewise:

    In 1990 the top three carmakers in Detroit between them had nominal revenues of $250 billion, a market capitalisation of $36 billion and 1.2m employees. In 2014 the top three companies in Silicon Valley had revenues of $247 billion and a market capitalisation of over $1 trillion but just 137,000 employees.
    http://www.economist.com/news/specia...inating-global

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    The 'top three companies' is a bit misleading when it's basically Apple and two ice cream vans that work the area.

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