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    The real Supreme Court question is whether, when Trump loses the election, the Republicans hurriedly try to confirm Garland, who is basically the ideal "Republican-mollification-by-a-Democrat" pick, and was clearly bait to see if they'd jump.

    EDIT: I reckon that they'll withdraw the nomination, claiming that it's for Clinton to decide now. But it'll be a safe consensus Supreme Court pick, so status quo basically maintained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    Pretty much I just want Bill Clinton again.
    I've got good news for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    The real Supreme Court question is whether, when Trump loses the election, the Republicans hurriedly try to confirm Merrick Garland, who is basically the ideal "Republican-mollification-by-a-Democrat" pick, and was clearly bait to see if they'd jump.
    I think they would withdraw him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    She'll nominate Sri Srinivasan, who so well-regarded that his nomination would be impossible to block. Slightly center-left (by US standards), but basically the middle of the court. Clearly smart, and respected by sensible moderates from both sides of politics. As non-controversial a pick as it's possible to produce.

    He's basically destined to end up on the Supreme Court. The question is when, rather than if. The fact that Clinton has such an obvious consensus nomination first-up means that you don't even have to worry about that - it's going to happen eventually, so why not now. It's the most boring possible pick for the most boring possible President.
    From an outside perspective that's probably a point in favour of Trump. It'll be infinitely more entertaining when he nominates Kid Rock.

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    "If you don't like it, you can leave" is an argument expats here a lot here in Vietnam when we have the temerity to criticise something in our adopted country. Fortunately, there are more than enough smart Viets who then tell them to shut the fuck up.

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    It's such a strangely absolutist statement, implying that everything about a country is so perfect that there is no legitimate grounds for attempting to create change.

    It's weird because most of the people criticising Kaepernick would, I suspect, have no problem with people protesting America's immigration policy.

    If Trump doesn't like America not having a wall, maybe he needs to move to country that has one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elth View Post
    It's such a strangely absolutist statement, implying that everything about a country is so perfect that there is no legitimate grounds for attempting to create change.

    It's weird because most of the people criticising Kaepernick would, I suspect, have no problem with people protesting America's immigration policy.

    If Trump doesn't like America not having a wall, maybe he needs to move to country that has one.
    I think there is a range of criticisms which are okay, but there are others which touch on principles so sacrosanct and nonnegotiable that questioning them are simply unacceptable and warrant the 'if you don't like this aspect of our country, which we find to be fundamental to its core identity, you shouldn't be here' response.

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    Is police officers being allowed to kill black people without consequences really that fundamental to the American identity? Fair enough if you're protesting the abolition of slavery or whatever but regardless of how you feel about the accuracy of the perception that black people are unreasonably persecuted, I find it remarkable that it's something that anyone would feel it legitimate to try to quash debate about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elth View Post
    Is police officers being allowed to kill black people without consequences really that fundamental to the American identity? Fair enough if you're protesting the abolition of slavery or whatever but regardless of how you feel about the accuracy of the perception that black people are unreasonably persecuted, I find it remarkable that it's something that anyone would feel it legitimate to try to quash debate about.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/up...shootings.html

    Police officers shoot black men less than white men. Study done by a black Harvard economist. Facts matter.

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    How is this defensible, what other work related emails were deleted?:

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...enghazi-attack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/up...shootings.html

    Police officers shoot black men less than white men. Study done by a black Harvard economist. Facts matter.
    So it's ok to shoot black people as long as they shoot more white people? The issue isn't the race, rather the incidents happening at all.

    Setting certain things as "off the table" and not even allowable for discussion is completely pointless, almost fascist, you could say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    So it's ok to shoot black people as long as they shoot more white people? The issue isn't the race, rather the incidents happening at all.

    Setting certain things as "off the table" and not even allowable for discussion is completely pointless, almost fascist, you could say.
    Uh no. It's the fact that when shootings are occurring there is not a racist element involved (which is what Elth ignorantly suggested). We can all agree that less shootings should be occurring as a whole.

    If you say "I should be allowed to have 5 wives and rape whichever women I see and I'm oppressed if I am not allowed to", I will respond with, "no you can't, not in this country and you should leave if that's what you want to do."

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    You've gone from questioning the constitution to people wanting to rape women. And for that, I'm out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/up...shootings.html

    Police officers shoot black men less than white men. Study done by a black Harvard economist. Facts matter.
    So why not talk about that instead of demanding that Kaepernick leave America?

    I already said that I don't care about your position on the substance of Kaepernick's complaint. I care about whether you agree that Trump is correct to demand that people who feel their communities are unreasonably persecuted by police should leave the country, rather than be engaged in discussion and debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elth View Post
    So why not talk about that instead of demanding that Kaepernick leave America?

    I already said that I don't care about your position on the substance of Kaepernick's complaint. I care about whether you agree that Trump is correct to demand that people who feel their communities are unreasonably persecuted by police should leave the country, rather than be engaged in discussion and debate.
    I just showed you they're not unreasonably persecuted by police. It's a false narrative.

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    The old adage about not arguing with idiots because they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience comes to mind.

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    In that way, he's set for a life approaching the bench.

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    Trump and the Mexican president met and they seemed cordial. Mexico says they ain't paying for no wall.

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    There are few men that can out-idiot Trump, and Peña Nieto is one of them.

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    That may be, but I think it's fair to believe him when he says that Mexico won't be paying for the wall.

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    Well, of course. Does anyone actually believe that would ever happen?

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    Some of Trump's nutter supporters must do.

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    Probably. I've lost all faith in this country's intelligence tbh.

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    There's clearly been some sort of collective shitting of the bed, but it's been building for years. Some of this is quite interesting:

    http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/0...y-trump/212422

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Probably. I've lost all faith in this country's intelligence tbh.
    So did I when they failed the populace. That happened before Trump.

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    Putting aside the issues of wall logistics and politics.... why on earth does Trump STILL think that Mexico would pay for it? Does he really think that he can bribe/blackmail them with trade deals?

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    The only way Mexico pays for it is if they get some land out of it.

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    As if this election couldn't get any better, here's old Rudy 'No Islamic Terror Attacks Before Obama' Giuliani wearing a 'Make Mexico Great Again Also' hat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Probably. I've lost all faith in this country's intelligence tbh.
    So go back and fix your own, dickhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mert View Post
    So did I when they failed the populace. That happened before Trump.
    So go back and fix your own, dickhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruhnaldo View Post
    So go back and fix your own, dickhead.
    I most likely will once I finish my PhD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    I most likely will once I finish my PhD.
    Good luck. People are literally dying to get out of that shithole. Amazing with so many apparent brilliant minds at the helm.

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    I'm sorry for being a dick but I've watched you bitch about my country for years. It's fucking tiresome.

    Obviously America isn't amazing but neither is anywhere else on the planet for anyone who isn't rich and well off.

    I'm tired of the world slating my country at every opportunity as if it makes their own country any less shitty.

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    lol at the inferiority complex on show here.

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    America is about 100x better to live in than anywhere else in the world. If you disagree you've never lived in America (and no DC and NY are shitholes and don't count).

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    Which bits do count?

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    REAL America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruhnaldo View Post
    I'm sorry for being a dick but I've watched you bitch about my country for years. It's fucking tiresome.

    Obviously America isn't amazing but neither is anywhere else on the planet for anyone who isn't rich and well off.

    I'm tired of the world slating my country at every opportunity as if it makes their own country any less shitty.
    That' what we do: moan. Don't worry, I also criticize my country a lot, just not here since we don't have discussions about it.

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    Is this like when black people don't count toward crime stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    Is this like when black people don't count toward crime stats?
    Europe isn't inherently safer than the US due to its brilliant public policy decisions, it's just demographically different.


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    America's dope. A product of its geography, but very unique among nations for its global reach *and* the moral principles held by its people. We've had some complete fucks at the helm of our government, but the spirit of the population is forever optimistic and lovely.

    I'm with you Bruhnacho. Western Europe is probably overall a better place to live, but if it wasn't for our alignment (and Theodore Roosevelt), those nice little secular democracies would be long gone

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    200+ years of forward planning.


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    Nothing is 'very unique' you spaz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    Nothing is 'very unique' you spaz.
    Chill out, maybe read a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    lol at the inferiority complex on show here.
    lol at the pseudo-psychoanalysis. i've had to listen to this America is terrible shit on here for what probably constitutes a literal decade at this point.

    Maybe come up with some new material and people won't get annoyed by it.

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    America is one of the most insular western countries in the world (probably because of said global reach), I reckon. Even the yanks who do get out seem completely oblivious to the majority of world events. Not all of them, of course, but more so than Aussies, Brits, Scandi's etc.

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    That feel when people lecture me about America in English where if it wasn't for America they would be speaking German.

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    Well, that's not true is it.

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    I love America, but not for any historical or political reasons, just because it's my home. The geographical and cultural diversity is pretty amazing, too; if I were forced to live in one country for the rest of my life it would be hard not to choose America, you could live in quite a few places so different that they might as well be different countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    Well, that's not true is it.
    Russian's worse, it's got twice as many cases as German

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