I can't claim to be speaking as a 'man of the people' or know when people are 'just saying what everyone's thinking' like you, sadly.Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair
I can't claim to be speaking as a 'man of the people' or know when people are 'just saying what everyone's thinking' like you, sadly.
I'm not as against eastern europeans as I am against the third world lot, but immigration at this level leads to separate communities. Poles still largely group together because there's so many of them here in such a short space of time. Immigration at pre-2000 levels of 30-50k a year should be what we return to.
I never once mentioned 'what everyone is thinking'. If you're actually interested in what I said it's right here
Saying what the majority are thinking. And such claims are easily backed up by numerous polls which show this. Next?
In that time they've also redefined 'rape' to incorporate various other forms of sexual assault that were previously considered lesser charges, and they also log individual acts of sexual assault (within the same reported 'case') separately.
That's it, put the blinkers on. How about this little factoid?
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rapeSince 2000, there has only been one research report on immigrant crime. It was done in 2006 by Ann-Christine Hjelm from Karlstads University.
It emerged that in 2002, 85% of those sentenced to at least two years in prison for rape in Svea Hovrätt, a court of appeals, were foreign born or second-generation immigrants.
A 1996 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention reached the conclusion that immigrants from North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia) were 23 times as likely to commit rape as Swedish men. The figures for men from Iraq, Bulgaria and Romania were, respectively, 20, 18 and 18. Men from the rest of Africa were 16 times more prone to commit rape; and men from Iran, Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia, 10 times as prone as Swedish men.
How is it, then, that in 2008, Sweden's neighbor Denmark only had 7.3 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants compared to 53.2 in Sweden?
Danish legislation is not very different from Sweden's, and there is no obvious reason why Danish women should be less inclined to report rape than their Swedish counterparts.
In 2011, 6,509 rapes were reported to the Swedish police -- but only 392 in Denmark. The population of Denmark is about half the size of Sweden's, so even adjusted for size, the discrepancy is significant.
In Sweden, the authorities do what they can to conceal the origin of the rapists. In Denmark, the state's official statistical office, Statistics Denmark, revealed that in 2010 more than half of convicted rapists had an immigrant background.
More weird standing
I'm not putting any "blinkers" on, stop getting so defensive. I'm merely pointing out for anybody who finds those stats startling that there are additional factors beyond societal changes.
Oh, right. So you noticed the edited parts I put in? What 'factors' do you attribute to those other discrepancies?
*Checks Harold Source*
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Picture of Britain First on the homepage
*Googles Gatestone Institute*
Ah, right.
What parts? Most of your latest post doesn't have much relevance to what I have said.
Yeah, but those Polish communities will integrate better through their kids than Third World people. The Chinese don the piss out of our education system and don't cause any aggro. Even the Nigerians are sound. Like the, there doesn't seem to be any obvious block on Eastern Europeans melting in over time in the way that literally shipping in entire villages from the crapper parts of Pakistan set us up for a ballache.
So you're just going to bury your head because you don't want to know the truth? If you bothered to read the piece it gives sources for their information. They don't just make it up, you know. But then you're not interested in things you don't like to read/hear which happen to be true.
I don't have a problem with the Poles - they're fairly similar to us. But immigration, wherever it's from, has to be kept at a reasonable level. And that reasonable level is somewhere around what I suggested.
You know, the parts which directly state that the immigrants (especially the third world Muslim lot) are several times more likely to be rapists.
@ Tobes
And what is the relevance of that to me saying, "there are additional factors beyond societal changes"?
I can tell there's an argument you want to have here but maybe wait until the other side is actually put forward before you go steaming in to it.
It's fucking obvious. I made that statistic clear to show that more multiculturalism, more immigration, more rape. You tried to make it seem that other factors were at work, so I've given further evidence that my inference is backed up by even more direct evidence.
But other factors are at work.
Is this going to be one of those discussions where you need to have absolute basic logic spelled out to you?
It's a bit daft putting arbitrary caps in place. By all means make it harder to get in, but we should be hoovering up all the skilled people we can (even unskilled people for certain industries).
I don't think we had arbitrary caps prior to the free movement of people. You don't need it anyway, you just have a points based system. That way the cries of BUT THE DOCTORS AND NURSES! carry no traction.
Can you guess what the main factor is? Or are you another person in great fear of true things?
When the Home Secretary makes a speech that everyone else shits on but which Harold likes, you know she's gone off the reservation.
The main factor is the different way rape is logged, since a husband raping his wife every day for a year would be logged as 365 incidents rather than one case as it is almost everywhere else. If you have more than a vague and unsubstantiated claim that, "Danish legislation is not very different from Sweden's" it'll be an interesting contribution, but as things are that being the only difference accounts for a large part of those numbers (and there is absolutely no way those numbers would be so out of sync if they were recorded in the same way).
That's not to say there aren't societal factors, and it may be that rape cases are genuinely on the increase, but the statistical comparisons just aren't that helpful given these issues.
Why ignore the real meat of that post, which is that immigrants or second generation immigrants are several times more likely to be convicted of rape (and subsequently the rape cases in Sweden exploding after they went for multiculturalism. Coincidence!)? That's not insignificant to anyone who doesn't deliberately choose to ignore it.since a husband raping his wife every day for a year would be logged as 365 incidents rather than one case as it is almost everywhere else. If you have more than a vague and unsubstantiated claim that, "Danish legislation is not very different from Sweden's" it'll be an interesting contribution, but as things are that being the only difference accounts for a large part of those numbers (and there is absolutely no way those numbers would be so out of sync if they were recorded in the same way).
Dave's properly going for Jezza here. Says he hates Britain.
Oh dear. He was doing alright until going off on a tangent about racism and equality.
He didn't ask for equality for pig fuckers.
Harold did you see about the female activist raped at a refugee camped by Sudanese men multiple times was forced not to report it as it would 'damage the cause'.
This is more like it. Getting on those Muslim cunts now.
As it happens, I had a cracking article lined up about the double standards (and outright lies) of feminists just waiting for Tobes. But fuck it, let's all educate ourselves now:Harold did you see about the female activist raped at a refugee camped by Sudanese men multiple times was forced not to report it as it would 'damage the cause'.
http://www.infowars.com/feminists-mu...eeping-europe/
The opening piece:
After years of screaming bloody murder about a rape epidemic on college campuses in the United States that didn’t exist, feminists remain mute on the real rape epidemic sweeping Europe – that being perpetrated primarily by Muslim men.
Feminist groups have campaigned tirelessly to draw attention to their claim that one in five women on college campuses are victims of sexual assault. This figure was completely debunked by a December 2014 U.S. Department of Justice report which found that non-students are 25% more likely to be victims of sexual assault than students.In fact, the actual rate of female college students becoming sexual assault victims is 6.1 per 1,000 students, compared to 7.6 per 1,000 people for non-students. That means that just 0.03-in-5 female students, not one in five, are victims of sexual assault.The myth of the college campus rape epidemic was prominently illustrated in November last year when it emerged that the Rolling Stone’s lurid University of Virginia gang-rape story was almost certainly fabricated. This was just one of numerous college rape scandals that turned out to be completely contrived. “The truth is that there’s no epidemic outbreak of college rape,” writes Glenn Harlan Reynolds, a University of Tennessee law professor. “In fact, rape on college campuses is — like rape everywhere else in America — plummeting in frequency. And that 1-in-5 college rape number you keep hearing in the press? It’s thoroughly bogus, too. (Even the authors of that study say that “We don’t think one in five is a nationally representative statistic,” because it sampled only two schools.)” While feminists are quick to condemn the ‘white male patriarchy’ for non-existent rape scandals in America, their attitude to actual rape epidemics being carried out by Muslim men across Europe has been noticeably more reserved.
I recommend reading the rest.
Lots of smiling, no doom and gloom, positive messages.
Compare that to the Corbyn's disastrous speech...
Fuck that, I'd hate that. 'Hi you're live on the BBC'
Stomach contents ejected. How do these guys look like it's all pre-rehearsed? Or am I just socially retarded?
Christ this dude has a Harry Potter scar.
EDIT: ChristGood to see some other young blokes make complete cunts of themselves.
EDIT 2: I feel unemployed.
There's something very wrong with people that young hanging around at party conferences.
Probably been groomed from a young age.
I haven't said those findings are insignificant, but attempts to suggest Sweden actually has significantly more incidents of rape than elsewhere just don't stand up to scrutiny. The demographic breakdown of who is doing the raping doesn't play in to that.
Why ignore the real meat of that post, which is that immigrants or second generation immigrants are several times more likely to be convicted of rape (and subsequently the rape cases in Sweden exploding after they went for multiculturalism. Coincidence!)? That's not insignificant to anyone who doesn't deliberately choose to ignore it.
Again that post and your follow ups suggest you're looking for an argument that isn't being made. Your reading comprehension gets more tragic by the day.
What an odious cunt Cameron is.
Cameron with a land grab of epic proportions here. Labour have given him a free pass to take the whole of the centre ground and he's marched the troops in already.
This period of Tory rule will last a long, long time.
I was very much making the argument suggested in my very first post. Unless you were unable to deduce that my initial inference was that more immigration = more rape. I didn't make it that hard for even you to understand. But now that is crystal clear, perhaps you can address the uncomfortable truth? Or are you going to repeat your disingenuous self again?
But if they're in the centre is it really Tory rule at all?
I'm going to keep using that until I figure out what it is.
They need to work on getting 'Big Ruth' a safe seat somewhere.
Peter Hitchens has it right - they are not really Conservatives any more.
It'll end in about 2065 when they try to put gays into workhouses or something, but until then I'm going to ride the wave.
We'll all be working for Korean companies with five years.
Peter Hitchens' definition of conservative is to conserve a particular day he had in 1956.
An often repeated jibe he swats away regularly. Back in the day he was a Marxist, lest you forget. That's why the left hate him - he knows how they think and can see through the bollocks.
It looks that way but it wasn't so long ago people were writing the Tories off. Labour will bin Corbyn eventually and there's always the risk that the stories pick a shit leader after Cameron.
The Asian baldie and Johnson are their best options. Osborne is clever but plays badly with people and they could go properly mental and choose May. A new recession would mean all bets are off too. Four years is a long time.
Say what you like about Tories 1997-2005, but they never elected Peter Bone as leader. Labour have gone much, much further off the cliff than they ever did. Nobody in the south will ever vote Labour again, and it was those people who won Blair three elections.
100% shameful lustage.
The domination.
He moans about social liberalism and laments the decline of Christianity as the centre of national life. His ex-Marxism just marks (arf) him out as somebody prone to believing crap.
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