I just wanted John Kasich man, center right economically, moderate socially = prosperity every time...Originally Posted by Lewis
I just wanted John Kasich man, center right economically, moderate socially = prosperity every time...
Trump has two key cards he can play which may help people to overlook the fact he's just not up it: 1) Clinton's a wanker and 2) SUPREME COURT MATE.
I think it's fair to say that he's not an intellectual heavyweight, and the more the campaign goes on the more he's likely to be slowly eviscerated by the media. At some point - surely - this shit has to start sticking to him. There's only so many times he can embarrass himself.
The debates could be a particularly dreadful lowlight for the pair of them.
Is there any way I can filter out all coverage of this from my life? Every possible outcome is absolutely terrible.
Debates is where Clinton shines though. She did in -08 against Obama, and will this time as well. Also, after the Benghazi-hearings I can't see Trump getting under her skin at all.
You're assuming Trump conducts the debate within sensible parameters.
If he gets personal - which he almost certainly will when riled - then fuck knows what impact it might have.
This. He has a lot of material to truly fluster Hillary with and ask her questions a fawning media dare not bring up.
Also the latest in lol hypocrisy of the media:
I mean sure, if he live on national TV accuses Bill of being a rapist or something, that would be out of what you could prep for ahead of a debate with him. Still though, take a look at the Benghazi-hearings. She doesn't rattle easily.
It was basically hours of listening to her political opponents slander her without actually having a case. I can't see her running into problems in a debate.
She'll know that her best debate strategy is to keep her cool while baiting Trump into saying something beyond the pale, so you'd imagine that it'd be part of her debate prep.
LOL. Are you kidding me? Even most Hillary supporters recognize the long laundry list of scandals which she could justifiably be targeted for, it's so embedded in popular culture they even have click bait slide-show articles about it:
http://www.lifedaily.com/16-most-not...nton-scandals/
How did that get started if the left leaning media won't talk about her being a shit?
Because 1. It's so egregious it can't be ignored; 2. Bernie Sanders progressives have influence and they hate Hillary arguably more than Republicans.
For fucks sake, just elect someone will you, this has been going on for what feels like a thousand years.
They should have a series of Benghazi hearings by panels populated with her political opponents. No way that could fail to indict her.
Why weren't the Bernie Sanders mob flagging up her voting history in a big way? It's too late now since biffing her would lead to a Republican win, but thirty seconds with it and I knew she'd abstained from a vote to stop children's toys being made from toxic materials so it can't be too hard to find plenty of shameful stuff in there.
Obviously Trump can't do it because a policy based campaign is the last thing he wants, but it seems like a missed opportunity.
Unless it was flagged up and this liberal media conspiracy you're always telling us about just suppressed the whole thing.
Oh, another thing that I agree with Trump on is raising the federal minimum wage, which he recently came out in favour of (up to $10). But given that Trump is on the record as saying it should be raised, kept where it is, lowered, eliminated, and left to the states, I'm not entirely sure whether I believe that to be his plan going forward. But if he settles on that, then good for him.
Wait so he wants to raise the minimum wage, but also bring back all the precious Production to USA?
He's republican, and I assume something of a hardcore capitalist, so I can't see how raising minimum wages will in any way benefit himself or his agenda
But I suppose he just does that - outright just lies about everything in the knowledge that whoever calls him out on it wouldn't be voting for him in the first place, and will struggle to reach those who will with the information (that he's lying) as well.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...supreme-court/
One of the most enduring legacies of the next president will flow from a few words in Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution: the power to nominate justices to the Supreme Court. With the court still shorthanded after the death of conservative Justice Antonin Scalia, and with two of its sitting justices older than 80, the next president will shape the court, and through it the law of the land, for decades to come.Clearly, the court will take a different shape under a President Trump than it would a President Clinton. But just how different, and how quickly? Very different and, if Clinton wins, very quickly. If Donald Trump is elected president, the Supreme Court may, seat by vacated seat, move rightward toward its most conservative position in recent memory. If Hillary Clinton is elected, the court may quickly become the most liberal it’s been in at least 80 years.This is honestly what the election really is about. It will shape the judicial direction of the US for a generation.One thing is certain: This is a high-leverage election, judicially speaking. In addition to Scalia’s vacant seat, about one justice is expected to die in the next four years, and just over two in the next eight years.
They were. Their complaints were suppressed (although to a much lesser extent than the treatment conservatives get). That's why they are so pissed.
This yo team mert. This yo team.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...bestworst-yet/
Straight transcript of Trump's ABC interview. Every paragraph has something new and special. Worth reading the whole thing, just to get an idea of how scatty he is when he's talking off the cuff.
If a candidate is just continually saying stupid shit that is obviously false or needs to be rolled back, it reaches a stage where you have to think that it's not "misspeaking" or "poor phrasing", but rather a representative look at their thought processes. At some point you have to wonder whether he's honestly all there.
That is not even the worst thing Roger Stone (of the Cruz killed JFK story) has said in the last 48 hours.
This yo team mert. This yo team.
http://www.salon.com/2016/08/01/team...herhood_agent/
He's just genuinely stupid, I think. His inherited money meant he was reasonably well advised when it came to business, though even there he started selling a line of steaks exclusively in an electronics shop and a shopping channel, but put him in front of a camera and he's exposed as a div.
John Oliver had a good metaphor for all his horrifying comments. It's a bed of nails. Any one of his comments would kill another candidate, as one nail will go straight through your foot, but because he's constantly at it no single comment stands out enough to really hurt him.
Trump Steaks was a brand of steaks owned by Donald Trump that launched in 2007 and were sold at The Sharper Image[1] and QVC.[2][3] Trump was featured on the June 2007 issue of the Sharper Image magazine to promote his then-new brand of steaks, which were billed as the "world's greatest". [4] Prices of the four packages of Trump Steaks varied from $199 to $999.[5] The Sharper Image closed the following year after filing for bankruptcy.[6] The Trump Steaks trademark was canceled in December 2014 according to a trademark search through the United States Patent and Trademark Office.[7]I don't want this man in charge of economic policies anywhere.Steaks from Bush Brothers Provision Co. were on display at Trump's election-night speech on March 8, 2016 during which Trump claimed them to be "Trump Steaks". Trump-branded wine and water were also displayed, as an example of Trump's success in business.[8] Observers there noted the Trump-branded steaks were produced by a butcher in West Palm Beach, Florida.[2] In an interview with Anderson Cooper the following day, Trump explained that he does not process the steaks but instead purchases them from local suppliers before subsequently relabeling them.[8]
I agree with the statement. 2/3 of the federal election vote counting machines contributed to the Clinton Foundation and many of these states have fucking bonkers laws which don't require a state ID to vote (because racism). Reuters literally changed their methodology with their polls after it showed Trump winning, there is wide spread suppression on the Internet, the mainstream media is 24/7 anti-Trump propaganda.
This yo team mert. This yo team.
Trump is a flawed candidate but he's honest, Hillary is a monster who is undermining the very foundations of our country.
Does he say stupid things: yes, but at least there is a chance that his advisors will keep him in check and his policy proposals are actually pretty moderate, reasonable and urgently necessary. With Hillary the United States as we know it will be finished.
There are plenty of rich kids who squander their fortunes. He is a world class at negotiating, making deals, and delegating, this is undisputed.
He doesn't just say the odd stupid thing. I challenge you to find one minute of footage during which Donald Trump speaks and doesn't say something either monumentally stupid or blisteringly offensive. Most of what he says is stupid.
How is it undisputed that he's a world class negotiator and deal maker?
If you buy into that image then you're falling for a trick.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/gallery/donald-trump
Most of his children went to UPenn, did serious majors and graduated with honors with the one exception being Eric who went to Georgetown. Say what you like but getting in and graduating from those schools is fucking hard and they don't just let anybody in (the Vice Presidents kids went to schools like DePaul, Northeastern and Purdue). His genetic IQ is definetly high and at the end of the day he won the Primaries with this same approach despite the self-righteous scoffing of the intellectual class. I will suspend judgement until after the election.
If you fall for the image of him being an idiot you are a sheep who is a slave to the manipulation of the elites who are scared to death of a genuine outsider and are doing everything in their power to discredit him.
A machine donated money to the Clinton Foundation?
The companies who manufacture and operate them obviously. Clinton had no qualms about rigging the primaries, she doesn't care about democracy or principles, simply power.
I remember reading that he'd be worth more if he'd just stuck his inheritance into a blind trust and rode the returns. Also, a place on the rich list isn't proof that you're a world class anything. Half that list is people who inherited companies or bank accounts.
I couldn't give less of a shit where his children went to school. You went to a good school and here we are. He says stupid things constantly. He invented a publicist and then pretended to be that publicist on the phone, without disguising his voice in any way, so that he could boast about all the women he was getting. Those are not the actions of an intelligent man.
I'm not falling for any image. I'm listening to what the man himself has to say and making a judgement based on that. Forget where his children went to school, find me that minute of footage where he doesn't say something utterly ridiculous.
Who's that then? Sorry but I feel the need to fact check any statement you make as every time you've provided any proof of something, it's shown the exact opposite.
edit: Tried to find a source. It was a series of posts from /r/The_Donald and blogs with banners like this one
By the way that picture of him eating KFC with a knife and fork is fucking disgusting. The man looks like one of those rotting shits on the pavement that seems to grow hair.
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Fucking. Gross.
You are cherry picking incidents and repeating misinformation, just like the media wants, to detract from overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That absurd article you're referring to is if Trump hadn't spend a dime in the last 30 years, after he had already made $100 millions, and invested the entirety of his fortune in index bonds (which increased in value %1,400). Sure he could have performed better, just like if my parents had invested all their money in Apple 20 years ago our family would be richer.
How about the millions of dollars Hillary made selling influence with the US government in return for exorbitant 'speaking fees' for Bill? Do you care about that? Please direct even 1/10th of the scrutiny you are giving to Trump to Hillary, there are far more worrisome skeletons in the closet.
I'm not scrutinising Trump. I'm laughing at him, and we've been over this before.
I'm not sure you realise just how stupid, desperate, and pathetic you look every time you shout 'BUT HILLARY' when someone lols at Trump. Found that one minute of footage yet?
Literally any speech vs interviews with Clinton supporters, feel free to google.
Voting is about choosing the lesser of two evils, Hillary is relevant.
I try not to pay too much attention to this, but the outline idea of tariffing the shit out of GM cars (for example) if they choose to make them outside the US and reimport them back in (NAFTA-style) sounds a decent one to me. People always say protectionism is bad, but it depends whose perspective you are looking at it from. From my middle class urbanite perspective getting things as cheaply as possible (ie through use of quasi-slave labour) is great. Or getting 'premium' foreign shit without extra cost could fall into this category as well. Probably not so great if you were one of the people who used to make the things before production went elsewhere. The US automobile market, from a completely uninformed perspective, looks like something that could be self-sustaining through domestic production. They don't export their cars (even if their companies own foreign brands or make cars for elsewhere - you don't see many Ford Fiestas in America) - they re for a domestic market. Make them there and stop the rust belt states falling into irreparable depression. Everything about the US is designed to be self-sufficient in an end of days scenario (it's why they don't bother with their own oil reserves that much). Surely protectionism is only bad if you want to be an export economy and/or you don't have the clout to tell most other countries what to do?
What do Hillary supporters have to do with anything? I'm asking you to provide one minute of footage that shows him speaking without saying anything stupid or ridiculous to back up your assertion that he's not an idiot.
I'll not be voting, so I'll continue to laugh at Trump being a buffoon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36958126
Lol? Has that ever been said by an outgoing president before?
@niko
Essentially, people are too fixated on trade deals and the auto industry. Trade flows follow capital flows. As long as the US is a net importer of capital we will be a net importer of goods. That is a strict national income accounting principle instead of an economic theory. When you have a net inflow of capital you will always reach a point where you have purchased all the domestic goods and have excess capital which will be spent on imports. A simple look at the last four pages of the Economist will prove this; every country with a trade surplus will be exporting capital. Trade deals have nothing to do with it.
Trade deals are typically bad because they are as much about protectionism as free trade. Why should we prioritized an auto worker in Michigan (and fuck the one in North Carolina) and not the waitress in California who has to now pay more for her car? If you try to completely square the circle by improving everyone's wage with protectionism you will ultimately just increase the price level with no real change in underlying wealth. Or you just end up prioritizing certain workers over others most likely for voting reasons. The truth is that every national policy decision creates winners and losers.
Increase corporate taxes or save a bunch of money by removing all the distortionary crap like paying to subsidize McDonald's and Coke overseas ads. Nevada offered Tesla a community college program that trained workers to work in their new facility instead of tax breaks. That's what we should be doing. If welfare is problematic because of disincentives corporate welfare is poison because of the multiplier effect it has on disincentives.
Does anyone remember when Rand 'Rand' Paul donned Trump regarding TPP in a debate?
But then what of the waitresses of Michigan who have no jobs because no one can afford to go to their establishments?
Also, does making the yankee shitmobiles in Mexico make them any cheaper for anyone other than the company themselves? I doubt savings are passed on. Do we just have to accept that there are going to be large scale human casualties as the nature of economies change and, if that is the judgment, is it any wonder that the turkeys might stop voting for Christmas and turn to some populist maniac instead?
We all know how that ended.All right, fine. If you want an experienced politician, vote for me. But if you want to believe a bunch of crazy promises about garbagemen washing your cars and emptying your kitty litter, then by all means, vote for this sleazy lunatic.
Donald is imploding these last few days, especially today. It's a sight to behold.
and
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...e-heart-226565
andTrump recounted the exchange, remarking that the man, who he identified as retired Lt. Col. Louis Dorfman said, "That's my real Purple Heart. I have such confidence in you."
"And I said, 'Man, that’s like big stuff. I always wanted to get the Purple Heart," Trump said. "This was much easier.”
Trump tells a mom with a crying baby that he loves babies.
Then, moments later, he changes his mind on how he feels about crying babies..
https://twitter.com/nbcnightlynews/s...07533379284992
Brb obsessing about someone misspeaking but not caring that his opponent hasn't given a press conference in nearly a year and engages in open corruption.
lol at the media in 2016
Why don't we hear about the shady connection between Khan and Hillary:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...p-goes-flames/
It doesn't have to end up as Michigan. Pittsburgh moved from its dependence on steel. You are right in that they are shitboxes. An economy built on shitboxes is shit. Let's find somebody who wants to build something else.
Tax the companies making the shitboxes or iPhones or financial services or whatever does get made. Use that to provide a better safety net and training to move to other things. I'm not arguing for the status quo. But we have been propping up the Rust Belt with protectionary policies for decades and the result is always the same. Despite best intentions it has always ended the same with the companies capturing the politicians for fear of votes / jobs. Coal in West Virginia and Tennessee for Republicans and auto for Democrats.
Jobs are being added here in the Southwest and West because we are not trying to force a specific industry. In a five mile radius from where I live we have a new Intel chip fabricator, new Garmin facility, a financial services call center, Go Daddy Tech support, two new hotels, and something I've no clue what it is. 1,200 new jobs in a year, filled in large part by Midwest transplants.
How is any of that relevant to Trump being a cunt about the guy's wife? Unless either his son didn't die fighting for the military or that wasn't actually his wife, none of it deflects anything the Breitbart folk seem to think it does.
It's a bit shady that he was trotted out as some unknown, unconnected Muslim dad if he was actually mega well connected, but then I suppose a moment's thought would tell you there was some connection there.
Protectionist policies + get rid of regulation and taxes = jobs and goods at competitive prices?
We gunna pretend like Desi communities aren't incredibly sexist? I had feminists 'PoC' on my newsfeed agreeing with Trump.
How about everyone collectively ignoring when Hillary Clinton called gold star Benghazi mom a liar and the media chastised her for being a political opportunist / a horrible person for 'exploiting / politicizing' her sons death?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/benghazi-...llary-clinton/
PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE THE FUCK UP.
Protectionist economic policies are shit.
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