Bert, I think you're missing SvN's point.
Bert, I think you're missing SvN's point.
And yet...Originally Posted by Mert
I fucking hate Hillary's mob for a multitude of reasons and there would be lols involved in she somehow managed to use, but at least they're not fascists. The idea we should respect the views of the latter because of their educational exploits or salary is proper Republican talk.
Poor people don't vote and are more likely to ineligible due to being felons/incarcerated.
Mert, in all seriousness, you been to any of his events?
You wouldn't find any 'ignorant, easy-solution-seeking wankers' at a 'Bernie' event.
You might have some on the right who wish to portray them as such though.
That's one reasonable explanation.
But that doesn't make it fact. Perhaps people were inflating their income when asked during the exit polls. Perhaps the inferred medians aren't as accurate as the author thinks they are (given that income was reported as falling within a range rather than participants giving an actual value).
I mean maybe, but it's a pretty well established phenomenon that poorer people vote less, and that this is exacerbated further for primaries:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...e-polls-113997
"It so happens that the gap between voters and non-voters breaks down strongly along class lines. In the 2012 election, 80.2 percent of those making more than $150,000 voted, while only 46.9 percent of those making less than $10,000 voted. This “class bias,” is so strong that in the three elections (2008, 2010 and 2012) I examined, there was only one instance of a poorer income bracket turning out at a higher rate than the bracket above them. (In the 2012 election, those making less than $10,000 were slightly more likely to vote than those making between $10,000 and $14,999.) On average, each bracket turned out to vote at a rate 3.7 percentage points higher than the bracket below it."
Yep, not debating that specific point, just suggesting there might be other reasons for the discrepancy in the statistics. It could be all three.
Yeah, and tbh Americans lie / exaggerate like motherfuckers when it comes to their income, I wouldn't be surprised if the figures were therefore inflated...
Not really a mass shooting. but a one man execution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36721584
Mental. It's like a parody you'd see on Family Guy with Cleveland and racist cops except it's real life and it's funnier.
Than Family Guy I meant. Oh...oh God.
I bet he gave them sass.
"He's got a gun!" = carte blanche.
I feared for my life!
Walks free.
"I probably would blow up a subway if I was offered $100m"
Jailed for 35 years for conspiracy to commit terrorism.
What kinda dipshitted comment is this to make?
Convicted drug dealer and sex offender, resisting arrest after committing crime, had been tasered twice, yelled "I'm going to kill you", had an illegal gun on his person, was warned "don't reach for your gun", he then proceeded to reach for his gun, and got shot.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I don't know what else you want the cop to do in that situation.
Let's try this again then. Not really a mass shooting. but a one man execution.
If he had a gun then... oh wait.
It's a really tragic state of affairs and I find it really sad that there are so many people that want to pretend there is not an issue.
I mean statistically there isn't an issue, at least a racial one.
Not sure what the relevance of him having a gun is? A gun isn't supposed to be a tool to resist lawful arrest.
The fact that the NRA aren't going all, all out for this guy who stated he had an open carry permit, being asked to reach for his wallet and then being shot just goes to show that actually, it's not about gun ownership in the slightest.
I mean, he's pinned to the ground. Any shot's going to fuck him up at point blank. Let alone the four-ish we heard.
I was talking about the other guy. Phil Castille. Stopped for a broken tail light, keeps hands up, officer asks him to show registration, he informs cop he has a carry permit multiple times, reaches for his wallet, dead. From the video it sounds like the cop thought he was genuinely reaching which just goes to show how much these cops are hyped to shoot the fuck out of someone.
Who gets stopped for a broken taillight, tells the cop they have a gun and then goes 'Ya know I should kill this guy'.
How hard is it to follow explicit instructions? Police officers have a right to protect themselves.
Which instruction would you like him to follow? License and Registration please?
As do citizens. If a police officer is intimidating and you see him reaching for his gun, as often seems to be the case according to the video coming out of the US just about every day, should you be able to shoot him dead?
He's still struggling, they have not been able to restrain him and he attempts to reach for his gun. What do you want the officer to do there?
Police officers don't just resort to lethal force out of the blue, there is an escalating hierarchy of physical responses they're supposed to employ proportional to the threat posed by the suspect. If you're not threatening the police, you have nothing to worry about.
If the police says something, you do it. If he's overstepped his authority you can contest that in the courts. That's how a civilized society operates.
You can't contest it if he's put 4 bullets in your side and you're dead because of it.
Which is why you don't resist arrest and follow the instructions given to you. It's not that difficult.
In that second video upthread the police officer tells him to get his wallet then shoots him through the window of the car when he reaches for it. He's dead.
Mert, not sure if you know this but a broken tail light isn't an arrestable offence and he did follow instructions.
This is the disconnect I'm talking about, this guy is a card carrying NRA member with a completely legal open carry permit, he is in a car with his wife and daughter, he informs the police officer of the presence of a gun, he proceeds to follow the police request for registation. He's shot 4 times.
What happens there where Mert is attacking this guy. This guy is Merts dream of an American citizen using his rights, and he's shot to death in front of his family for it and Mert and co attack him. I don't get it. I just don't get it. Oh wait, he's black. I get it.
Okay no one in this thread knows how exactly that interaction escalated. I'm pretty sure the officer would have a different version of events; believe it or not cops don't want to have their entire lives ruined either.
Also a broken taillight is an arrestable offense; see Atwater v. City of Lago Vista (2001).
I'm pretty sure there's a slight difference in quality of life between getting paid leave for 3 months while a grand jury fails to indite you and being dead.
PS. Lol at Mert telling us exactly how every one of these issues happened and then follows this one up with 'we can't be sure'
Fuck off you troll.
His life will never be normal again because of the Internet lynch mobs. Sure it's not as bad as dying (which is why he acted the way he did in the first place), but it's definetly not an ordeal anybody would want to go through.
In the Baton Rouge video, the evidence is in the recording itself. My statements are based on evidence derived from the public record. In the second video filming only starts after the shootings; you can't claim to know the sequence of events. The timeline of these incidents often ultimately end up being very different than initial reported (see the Michael Brown 'hands up don't shoot' narrative); it is better to suspend judgment until the facts are clear.
I always tell myself that you are not that stupid and that it is all this lame persona you try to carry around. But then I remember that you are American and I'm not so sure anymore, you could be this stupid, most of your compatriots are after all.
Look shit is fucked up, police are human and make mistakes, but they are under unimaginable stress and deal with the lowest scumbags in society every day. People need to recognize this and be overly compliant and respectful to make their job easier. I have dealt with asshole Durham cops who hate Duke students many times. Regardless, I will give them the benefit of the doubt every time under these circumstances.
The reality is if you haven't committed a crime you have nothing to worry about. Your Constitutional protections will ensure that your legal liability will be aptly limited and the officer punished if he goes beyond certain relatively strict boundaries.
How is 'being smart' working out for every other country on earth with inferior standards of living and military power?
Let's revisit this statement when the verdict comes in this latest case.
There is a clear and institutional problem with firearm use by US police.
What there isn't is any willingness to recognise it's an issue by the people who could do something about it.
It's a country you should probably avoid at this stage, given it's completely fucking batshit.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...d-line-of-duty
"Since 2010, 11 officers of the Metropolitan police have lost their lives in the line of duty."
So about 2.2 police officers are killed per year in the UK.
http://www.nleomf.org/facts/enforcement/
"A total of 1,439 law enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past 10 years, an average of one death every 61 hours or 144 per year."
Compared to an average of 144 police officers killed per year in the US.
Population of UK is roughly 60 million and the population of the US is roughly 300 million. That means that proportionally there should be about 10 deaths in the US per year if cops were killed at the same rate as in the UK. Instead it's 144; nearly FIFTEEN TIMES higher than expected.
How do you expect them to act in such an environment?
Now some wanker's been shooting police officers in Dallas.
CNN are reporting four cops shot, one dead. Fuck me, this is mental.
Now ten shot, three critical, three dead. A fucking sniper apparently.
I might not go outside for a while.
Beyonce paused her concert in Glasgow tonight to put up a screen full of names of American police brutality victims as well. Good timing. Get the dead policemen up there next you fucking wench.
The shooter will be a liberal student white apologist.
Some nerd on reddit has been listening to the police radio and apparently the shooter is black.
Civil war
That's horrifying. I have a friend who was going to school in DC during the Beltway sniper attacks. Apparently it's utterly nerve-racking to know that every time you step outside, you could be at risk.
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