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[Waffdon]

How can that goal be disallowed

It also should be another red card

[Bernanke]

Romero racking up multiple reds.

[Spoonsky]

This is just incredible.

[Spikey M]

If they don't give the goal, and also don't give the penalty I think Jimmy is getting sectioned.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Romero should be sent off twice now. Absolutely laughable game.

[Waffdon]

How can you give it offside. He’s on the edge of the fucking box

[Waffdon]

He won’t give the penalty either.

Palmer will miss it anyway

[Ben]

We're looking at a 10:30pm finish time if VAR keeps carrying on like this.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The penalty will be saved and we will lose 6-0, but the main thing is this Argie cunt needs to be having a holiday on January.

[igor_balis]

Romero is a fucking idiot.

[igor_balis]

Spurs fans are spastics for booing as well, I never understood how bias can make fans so blind. I'd notice it at West Brom games where everyone would be booing about our player getting rightly sent off for a monstrous foul, and I wouldn't get it. Maybe some people really can't be passionate without being irrational.

[Ben]

Jackson giving it large to the fans again. :D

[Waffdon]

If Chelsea don’t win this now send Poch packing.

[Spikey M]

This is going to finish after midnight

[mo]

Gallacher's socks are irritating the piss out of me.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It almost doesn't matter what happens from here. We have mentally broken Tottenham Hotspur and their season ends here, even if they win 5-1.

[Ben]

What a completely mental game already. How Spurs have thrown this away is unbelievable. Similarly, if Chelsea manage to throw it away now then they deserve to be relegated.

[Foe]

That Romero challenge isn’t a foul or a red.

We had loads of “follow through” reds a few season ago and they realised it was bollocks and backtracked, why have we reverted?

Udogie was way worse as horrendous technique for a tackle. Romero has kicked the ball.

[Waffdon]

Sterling could get in behind here whenever he wants if Chelsea time the pass

[igor_balis]

That Romero challenge isn’t a foul or a red.

We had loads of “follow through” reds a few season ago and they realised it was bollocks and backtracked, why have we reverted?

Udogie was way worse as horrendous technique for a tackle. Romero has kicked the ball.

Nah I think sometimes the follow through can't be helped but that one was incredibly dangerous

[Jimmy Floyd]

That Romero challenge isn’t a foul or a red.

We had loads of “follow through” reds a few season ago and they realised it was bollocks and backtracked, why have we reverted?

Udogie was way worse as horrendous technique for a tackle. Romero has kicked the ball.

The Udogie one was indeed way worse which makes their decision not to give a red for that utterly mental.

[phonics]

Refs are super competent and my points yesterday were just biased seething.

[Waffdon]

Get Silva off the pitch. No point leaving yourself vulnerable to the counter attack

[Spikey M]

Nah I think sometimes the follow through can't be helped but that one was incredibly dangerous

And, more importantly, deliberate.

[Foe]

Any follow through can be dangerous.

[Waffdon]

Any follow through can be dangerous.

He deliberately went through him. :D

[Spikey M]

Spurs are fucked.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Look at it lads. A club, disintegrating, in front of your very eyes.

[Ben]

Refs are super competent and my points yesterday were just biased seething.

Both can be true.

[Bernanke]

Jesus christ.

[Waffdon]

This is beautiful. They’re all going down. Chelsea should be sticking 5 past these cunts now

[Spoonsky]

This will be a sixty-minute half.

[igor_balis]

And, more importantly, deliberate.

Aye, correct.

[Don]

Jesus, VdV hammy is basically the end of their season. You love to see it.

[igor_balis]

Any follow through can be dangerous.

I think you've clearly got some weird obsession with this rule, like some oddball local single party candidate and it's clouding your judgement. Did you get kicked out of a club for shitting yourself or something?

[Waffdon]

Spurs currently have the worst back 4 possible for defending and have 10 men.

Utter embarrassment if this isn’t a comfortable win

[Don]

Load up on the handicaps boys. -1 is enough for me.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Niko's point about lack of adaptability coming home to roost here as they maintain their insane defensive line.

[Ben]

Chelsea could start to turn around their season here. Clout Spurs here and get themselves some confidence going into this difficult run. Alas, they'll stumble to a 2-1 win and precede to get humiliated by City next week.

[Spikey M]

Depth is their problem and it was always going to be when you have one back up centre back, and that centre back is Eric Fucking Dier.

[Foe]

I think you've clearly got some weird obsession with this rule, like some oddball local single party candidate and it's clouding your judgement. Did you get kicked out of a club for shitting yourself or something?

I was on the end of plenty and have seen plenty. Red cards should be less frequent than they are, and kicking the ball should not result in a red. I’d need to rewind it, but I’m pretty sure he side footed the ball. Udogie went in with his studs up and lunged, that’s not at all natural and definitely dangerous.

Udogie red, Romero not.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Chelsea could start to turn around their season here. Clout Spurs here and get themselves some confidence going into this difficult run. Alas, they'll stumble to a 2-1 win and precede to get humiliated by City next week.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, we are tragic. This game is a suicide bombing. A bit like May 2016.

[niko_cee]

Obvious dive by Sterling there, but if the ref had given it VAR wouldn't have overturned it as there was a fleeting thigh brush.

I don't think I've ever been less interested in football than in the current zeitgeist.

[Waffdon]

This is still utterly pathetic from Chelsea. They’re gonna end up getting a man sent off themselves.

Do they not see the space in behind? So fucking bad

[Waffdon]

What is Neville on about? James literally doesn’t even touch him

[niko_cee]

Also, who was that guy who blagged his was into the Premier League claiming to be George Weah's cousin or somesuch? Jackson is approaching that level of fraud.

Yeah, Neville's head has fully gone. You'd struggle to give a yellow for that on a bad day.

[Ben]

Chelsea trying not win. Pochettino will have to make five subs at half time to get all the hotheads off the park.

[Jimmy Floyd]

22 (now 21) steamhead morons going for each other out of pure narcissism and only getting hurt. It's the football of the times.

[Don]

Mudryk should have some fun here. Just imagine how much greater a spectacle this would have been without the 10 mins of VAR spread across 4(?) stoppages.

[Waffdon]

Mudryk will have the time of his life is Spurs continue this high line. Get him on the pitch.

[niko_cee]

22 (now 21) steamhead morons going for each other out of pure narcissism and only getting hurt. It's the football of the times.

You get the football your society deserves.

[Luke Emia]

Spurs have gone full Arsenal at the end of last season emotionally. It must be a North London thing.

[Waffdon]

I presume Spurs will drop very deep since Chelsea cannot break anyone down for the life of them.

[7om]

One of the most mental halves of football I’ve seen. Can’t believe they escaped the Udogie and Romero red cards and nobody had the brains to tell everyone to calm down and stop lunging in. Spurs deserve everything they’re potentially going to get in the second half.

[niko_cee]

Jackson should have got to that first.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Surely we've got to bring Mudryk on, perhaps as we tick through the 57th minute for the second time tonight.

[Waffdon]

Fernandez having his worst game in a Chelsea shirt by far

[Spikey M]

If Dier gets injured we could end up with 4 centrebacks vs 4 fullbacks here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Fernandez having his worst game in a Chelsea shirt by far

He's been a 0/10, genuinely impressive really in the circumstances.

[igor_balis]

Udogie :lol:

[Spikey M]

Fucking hell....

[7om]

I genuinely can’t believe that Spurs are defending on the half way line it’s ten men and Eric Dier at centre back.

[Waffdon]

Sterling got Idogie sent off because he’s fucking dog shit. He’s so fucking bad.

[7om]

I can’t believe what I’m watching.

[Bernanke]

Jackson :lol:

[Jimmy Floyd]

We've got to take off Sterling and bring on someone who can make a decision. We'll win 8-1 if we do.

Jackson is beyond words.

[Waffdon]

Holy fuck. Take him off

[Ben]

This Jackson character really is pony. :D

[Gray Fox]

Chelsea better score 4 or 5 here for sweet karma.

[7om]

Jackson is absolute shite. Belongs in the Championship.

[Bernanke]

What is this Tottenham line.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How has he not turned it into a deep back seven and us playing in front of it? Is he simple? Do they not teach maths in Australia?

[Waffdon]

If spurs weren’t full of utter head cases they’d be about 5-0 up. This is such a bad performance by Chelsea. They don’t even care

[Waffdon]

Sterling getting caught by Hojberg. Get in the fucking bin

[Jimmy Floyd]

Sterling and Jackson are so cowardly in these keeper challenges. Should win the lot.

[Don]

Gammons unable to compute innovation. Torn between wanting Spurs to cling on and wanting to see a 99th min OG off Son's little 2 inch penis.

[igor_balis]

Maybe he just thinks with Chelsea's awful finishing and decision making they may as well keep playing on the front foot and not just let them pass it around the edge of the box for half an hour. It's fun to watch anyway

[Waffdon]

Why do they keep overhitting the passes in behind? Utterly bizarre at this point

[7om]

This Spurs keeper is an absolute legend :D

[Yevrah]

Late to the party on this one, looks insane.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Gammons unable to compute innovation. Torn between wanting Spurs to cling on and wanting to see a 99th min OG off Son's little 2 inch penis.

He must have watched us fail to score against a deep line in all those other games, surely.

Mudryk thick as mince, jesus.

[igor_balis]

Would fuckin love it if Chelsea somehow conspired not to win this

[Spoonsky]

95th minute Spurs own goal, please.

[Yevrah]

That defensive line from nine man Spurs. :drool:

[Spikey M]

Vicario is unbelievable

[Waffdon]

I can’t tell you how fucking terrible this is. It literally takes a simple give and go. Spurs are trying to concede at this point

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is only possible because Jackson is the worst player of all time.

[7om]

Shows you how absolutely awful this Chelsea squad is that they’re essentially in a training ground exercise right now and can’t fashion out a decent chance, never mind score.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Mudryk's given away three free kicks since he came on. Incredible stuff.

[Waffdon]

Spurs look like they’re playing deeper now. This is game over.

[Max Power]

Chelsea have been a genuine disgrace in this second half. I reckon most League 1 teams would be 3-1 up by now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm now just annoyed that that shitcunt got a goal and the other shitcunt assisted it.

[Waffdon]

Jackson going to get sent off for going into the crowd :lol:

[Waffdon]

They should have done that 5 or 6 times this half. All they needed to do was play a simple give and go. Was t very difficult

[Jimmy Floyd]

Drury's coitus interruptus is always a treat.

[Waffdon]

Lucky cunts. Nobody even had a clue Dier was there.

[7om]

I was about to spunk a load there. Dammit.

[Waffdon]

He’s about 3 yards offside. What are they doing?

[Spoonsky]

I reckon he's on you know. Fucking fucking hell.

[Yevrah]

I've been watching 10 minutes and at least half of that has been waiting for VAR to decide things. How is this so difficult to work out? Are they using crayons?

[Spoonsky]

:(

[7om]

Any cunt with half a brain cell could see he was offside. My god is var shit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've been watching 10 minutes and at least half of that has been waiting for VAR to decide things. How is this so difficult to work out? Are they using crayons?

There have now been 5 disallowed goals and 4 red card decisions, he's probably gone on strike for pay and conditions.

[igor_balis]

I'm still largely in favour of var as a concept, but it's quite amazing how badly it's implemented in the premier league.

[Waffdon]

Poch is absolutely fucking useless.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Poch is absolutely fucking useless.

He's the only person at the club with a brain. Absolute fucking morons out there in the blue shirts. Deeply stupid people.

[igor_balis]

Gusto :lol: how are professional footballers so thick

[Waffdon]

He doesn’t even deserve to keep his job after this.

[igor_balis]

Can't remember the last time a team will (probably) win, and actually come out of the game looking as bad as Chelsea do after this half.

[Ben]

Chelsea deserve a three point deduction for this performance.

[Waffdon]

He's the only person at the club with a brain. Absolute fucking morons out there in the blue shirts. Deeply stupid people.

He’s the boss. If he can’t get a team to play against this lot and score 3 or 4 then you’re beyond terrible

[Yevrah]

I'm still largely in favour of var as a concept, but it's quite amazing how badly it's implemented in the premier league.

I think the fundamental problem with it when I compare it to other sports is that football's just too fast and contentious calls happen far too often for var to be anything other than an annoyance, which is just exacerbated by pace of the Premier League.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You know, Raheem Sterling is the worst. This guy is supposed to be an experienced 70 cap international, has won it all etc and just isn't bright enough to play football properly in these circumstances.

[Waffdon]

Chelsea deserve a three point deduction for this performance.

It’s the worst performance I think I have ever seen. Child’s play stuff. Got a whole half to play the ball into and keep passing it straight to the keeper.

[Lewis]

He sold that like the Rock taking a Stunner.

[Waffdon]

Bringing on a defensive mid for a striker to hold onto a 2-1 lead against 9 men. Pathetic stuff

[7om]

Bringing out the defensive reinforcements against 9 men. Nice.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We need a goal, Spurs will definitely get one.

[Waffdon]

Literally holding onto the game now. Holy fuck

[niko_cee]

What would be the Spurs equivalent of Gazza doing the flute thing? Praying for a late Chelsea breakaway and that happening.

Lifting the goalscorer on an imaginary chair and parading around?

[niko_cee]

Chelsea are unbelievably bad.

[Yevrah]

Jackson on a hat-trick. :drool:

[7om]

Jackson, Mudryk and Sterling should be hung.

[niko_cee]

Have Spurs really been holding that line all half?

[Lewis]

He should have saved that.

[Waffdon]

Have Spurs really been holding that line all half?

Yes. With Eric Dier and Hojberg at centre half. Properly terrible from Chelsea

[Yevrah]

Jackson on a hat-trick. :drool:

What a player.

[igor_balis]

The worst hattrick of all time

[Don]

Caicedo to bring out a Free Palestine undershirt.

[niko_cee]

:lol:

[Waffdon]

This just shows how easy it is. Chelsea should have genuinely scored 7 or 8

[Spoonsky]

That's the best / worst PL hattrick of all time.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm not budging on Postecoglou being thick as shit in this game. If he'd sat back they could have come away with a 1-1. We cannot score against set defences, don't care how many men are in them.

Not the only fucking thicko in this match though.

[Ben]

This game deserved nothing more than a Jackson hattrick. :D

[7om]

My god he’s awful. He looked like Bambi on ice when dribbling.

[niko_cee]

Not easy playing with 9 eh SPurs.

[Waffdon]

Jackson should have genuinely scored 5 or 6 tonight :lol:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jackson should have genuinely scored 5 or 6 tonight :lol:

He could have broken all the records. Imagine Alan Shearer doing a (correct) MOTD hit piece on him on Saturday and then seeing his records go days later.

[niko_cee]

Could have been a night for the Jackson 5.

Sad times in headline writer towers.

[Don]

I should have hit -2 for the most incredible scenes tonight.

[niko_cee]

Shouldn't be overlooked that North London may drop into a seethe generated abyss in the coming days.

[Yevrah]

Nicolas Jackson strutting around like he's God's gift is a sight to behold.

[Gray Fox]

It's very Michael Owen from his soccer skills video.

[igor_balis]

For the handful of people still paying attention, it's been carnage in fpl. Thankfully no jammy cunts had Jackson in their side.

What a weird game that was.

[igor_balis]

It's very Michael Owen from his soccer skills video.

Well done, they're 9 (men)

[Jimmy Floyd]

We should be grateful that the thick Argie and whatever Udogie is gifted us those points, huge three really, our relegation rivals won't get much at Spurs.

[Jimmy Floyd]

A Spurs mate (which regrettably I have a couple of) has just texted me seething at Michael Oliver and saying they were robbed. I think the space-time continuum has malfunctioned.

[phonics]

I missed the second half but the narrative on Twitter I'm seeing is completely mental. Spurs went down to 9 men with two red cards for players that should have been sent off 20 minutes earlier than they were, lost 4-1 and people are applauding them for 'the fight they showed'?

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Losing 4-1 is a moral victory? Not to somehow about Arsenal but Gary Neville would banter Arsenal into another sport if this happened surely?

[Waffdon]

Yeah I don’t really understand the Spurs narrative. They were fucking horrendous. Chelsea just couldn’t pass a ball very well. They had 4 goals chalked off in the game, scored 4 goals and missed countless sitters.

[Jimmy Floyd]

To be fair to Jackson, cracking post match interview and I now like him even though he's the worst player ever to kick a ball.

[Waffdon]

Jackson now has the same amount of hat tricks as Bergkamp and Cantona. My goat.

[phonics]

Big Ange being a true Spurs man trying to protect Harry Kanes record at Bayern by proving that it's not just the Bundesliga that plays suicidal high lines.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-SBeIuWMAAq5oL.jpg

[Jimmy Floyd]

Based on what I'm now reading about Postecoglou, this is par for the course, he has one way of playing and that's it.

Strap in for the next few weeks when they don't have their first choice defence.

[niko_cee]

and whatever Udogie is

Was going to post when England played Italy the other week that that was genuinely one of the last nationalities I would have guessed for him.

Thought better of it at the time.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Postecoglou with a truly great interview as well. They'll win nothing under him but they'll love the journey, and I suppose that's what it's all about.

[igor_balis]

A Spurs mate (which regrettably I have a couple of) has just texted me seething at Michael Oliver and saying they were robbed. I think the space-time continuum has malfunctioned.

Yeah, as I mentioned above, I really don't understand why so many fans are so bad at judging things even remotely objectively. Maybe I'm a soulless robot, or just a smarmy dickhead who gets off on being contrary (the latter is obviously true to an extent), but I went to about 100 West Brom games as a season ticket holder, and was as Baggies mad as anyone. Losses could ruin entire weeks. Yet I reckon I only left games feeling like we were properly robbed by officials a handful of times, and even then with the understanding they largely even themselves out and the odd game like that is inevitable. I understand that you can be tempted to think every tackle against you is a foul and every tackle your team makes is fine IN THE MOMENT, but it always makes me laugh when if a team loses a game and they had a penalty given against them/a player of theirs sent off, they almost always boo the officials at full time. Or the classic where one of your players gets sent off for brutally assaulting one of their players, and the first time one of their lot gets a booking you sarcastically cheer the referee.

It would be one thing if this was just all part of the pantomime of it all, but I do honestly reckon a lot of fans actually are this myopic about their own team. Just seems weird to me.

[phonics]

As someone who goes to a few games at the Hawthorns a year, it's hard to come away from a game thinking you've been robbed because at the end of the day you're just happy to have been in the presence of the anthropomorphised Combi-Boiler for 90 minutes.

[phonics]

Postecoglou with a truly great interview as well. They'll win nothing under him but they'll love the journey, and I suppose that's what it's all about.

Genuinely laughed at the BBC report of his comments. "On playing with a high line down to nine men: "It is just who we are mate"

[Lewis]

Yeah, as I mentioned above, I really don't understand why so many fans are so bad at judging things even remotely objectively. Maybe I'm a soulless robot, or just a smarmy dickhead who gets off on being contrary (the latter is obviously true to an extent), but I went to about 100 West Brom games as a season ticket holder, and was as Baggies mad as anyone. Losses could ruin entire weeks. Yet I reckon I only left games feeling like we were properly robbed by officials a handful of times, and even then with the understanding they largely even themselves out and the odd game like that is inevitable. I understand that you can be tempted to think every tackle against you is a foul and every tackle your team makes is fine IN THE MOMENT, but it always makes me laugh when if a team loses a game and they had a penalty given against them/a player of theirs sent off, they almost always boo the officials at full time. Or the classic where one of your players gets sent off for brutally assaulting one of their players, and the first time one of their lot gets a booking you sarcastically cheer the referee.

It would be one thing if this was just all part of the pantomime of it all, but I do honestly reckon a lot of fans actually are this myopic about their own team. Just seems weird to me.

When I went to the Challenge Cup final a few months ago I sat down and the first thing another supporter said to me was 'We're fucked today with Kendall' (referee Chris Kendall), and I thought about your post about the bloke who claimed that even the fictitious referee hated West Brom.

[phonics]

And now people are giving the clapping emojis and 'pure class from Big Ange' for saying 'You have to accept the referees decision'. The guy was booked for dissent against the referees decisions. This is fucking mad.

[Jimmy Floyd]

When I went to the Challenge Cup final a few months ago I sat down and the first thing another supporter said to me was 'We're fucked today with Kendall' (referee Chris Kendall), and I thought about your post about the bloke who claimed that even the fictitious referee hated West Brom.

I'm preparing a 10,000 word doctoral thesis on what I've probably posted here before in short form, which is that football and rugby league fans NEED to scream at referees regardless of the merits of doing so, because they're working class games which provide a rare outlet for people to send consequence-free rage against the power structures that frustrate their lives, whereas rugby union and cricket respect the referees/umpires, sometimes in a performatively over-the-top fashion, because they're middle class games watched by people for whom the power structures work very nicely thank you.

All these people on twitter wanting ACCOUNTABILITY for people who earn a fraction of what the far more error-prone players from their favourite team earn is a good example.

[Yevrah]

I missed the second half but the narrative on Twitter I'm seeing is completely mental. Spurs went down to 9 men with two red cards for players that should have been sent off 20 minutes earlier than they were, lost 4-1 and people are applauding them for 'the fight they showed'?

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Losing 4-1 is a moral victory? Not to somehow about Arsenal but Gary Neville would banter Arsenal into another sport if this happened surely?

Completely agree with this. It's a proper losers mentality, which is somehow ingrained in the club it seems.

[Waffdon]

Definitely. Spurs randomly lost their heads after the Son disallowed goal. Chelsea were actually the better team at that point. Just completely forgot how to play football with the way Spurs were setting up defensively.

Man City on Sunday. Another Jackson masterclass incoming.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I almost back us to get something against them. Home non-defeats thus far have come against Luton (3-0), Arsenal (2-2) and Liverpool (1-1). Teams that come out, and Luton, give us half a squeak.

Will help if Lesbo Fernandez doesn't play like all his muscles have been surgically removed.

[Luke Emia]

People going on about Postecoglou not complaining about the ref last night as well. He literally has nothing to complain about. Two potential red cards weren't given against them and the two that they got were absolute stonewallers. The goals that were disallowed were all correct as well. I think maybe the only call that maybe went against Spurs all night was the Reece James elbow although I'm not sure how hard he caught him, it could be a red or a yellow but you couldn't complain too much either way.

[Spikey M]

Managers complain about correct decisions all the time.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What was amazing was that a passage of play where two Spurs players should have been sent off was followed by both of those same players actually being sent off.

All in all I don't think I've ever seen a more stupid match. Stupid players, stupid managers, very stupid fans, officials were stupid at times, I was stupid, you were stupid, and that bloke over there was thick as mince.

[Magic]

What was amazing was that a passage of play where two Spurs players should have been sent off was followed by both of those same players actually being sent off.

All in all I don't think I've ever seen a more stupid match. Stupid players, stupid managers, very stupid fans, officials were stupid at times, I was stupid, you were stupid, and that bloke over there was thick as mince.

It's called enjoyment. I wonder if it's because you are fond of the Mourinho way.

[Bernanke]

It was the most entertained I've been watching a game in a long, long time.

[Lofty]

People will take Ange's vegemite encrusted member out of their mouths after Newcastle fire double figures into them over 2 games.

[Magic]

It happens. The price of entertainment.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They play exactly the same football as everyone else in the league. Let's not pretend that the high line, play it out from the back stuff is anything other than completely ubiquitous now.

[Magic]

They play exactly the same football as everyone else in the league. Let's not pretend that the high line, play it out from the back stuff is anything other than completely ubiquitous now.

I appreciate that, the better your players the better it is. Football is as good now as it ever has been and why the dinosaurs have all but disappeared.

I will give Mourinho credit he was the absolute master of his craft. Guy saw and could predict things nobody could, behaviourally.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Soon the people playing this style will be the dinosaurs, and something else will be the innovation which will then take 5 years to filter through the whole game. Maybe it'll be overloading the flanks. Maybe it'll be the team positioning itself on the halfway line as seen last night with NFL style wide receivers trying to break through. Maybe people will be picked purely to sprint back from the offside trap with no intention of them ever touching the ball. Maybe someone will choose to play without a goalkeeper to get the extra man in the press. The march of progress is unstoppable.

[Magic]

Soon the people playing this style will be the dinosaurs, and something else will be the innovation which will then take 5 years to filter through the whole game. Maybe it'll be overloading the flanks. Maybe it'll be the team positioning itself on the halfway line as seen last night with NFL style wide receivers trying to break through. Maybe people will be picked purely to sprint back from the offside trap with no intention of them ever touching the ball. Maybe someone will choose to play without a goalkeeper to get the extra man in the press. The march of progress is unstoppable.

It'll be driven by whatever wins. Let's hope it's never anti-football again.

[niko_cee]

Anti-football [read: defending or perhaps even 'control' now] is what wins in all of the 'footballs'.

The high-flying offense, laudable as it might be from an entertainment perspective, and it is, generally gets ground down in the final analysis.

[Waffdon]

How has Antony Taylor managed to get the Chelsea Man City game this weekend after being demoted to the Championship and getting another penalty decision completely wrong :D

[niko_cee]

Because he is DEFINITELY NOT from Manchester.

[Bernanke]

The next revolution in football is assisting yourself. :cool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEEA1yKdyEg&ab_channel=Footballand
Should have happened multiple times yesterday given Tottenhams line.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How has Antony Taylor managed to get the Chelsea Man City game this weekend after being demoted to the Championship and getting another penalty decision completely wrong :D

Who do you want in charge if not him?

[Gray Fox]

Having now seen the first half, I've no idea how the two Spurs players weren't sent off first go around. Romero is a horrible player.

[Magic]

Anti-football [read: defending or perhaps even 'control' now] is what wins in all of the 'footballs'.

The high-flying offense, laudable as it might be from an entertainment perspective, and it is, generally gets ground down in the final analysis.

Unless you've got that playmaker (fast, not a slow Deco).

[Waffdon]

Who do you want in charge if not him?

Tom Henning Ovrebo

[ScousePig]

I'm preparing a 10,000 word doctoral thesis on what I've probably posted here before in short form, which is that football and rugby league fans NEED to scream at referees regardless of the merits of doing so, because they're working class games which provide a rare outlet for people to send consequence-free rage against the power structures that frustrate their lives, whereas rugby union and cricket respect the referees/umpires, sometimes in a performatively over-the-top fashion, because they're middle class games watched by people for whom the power structures work very nicely thank you.

All these people on twitter wanting ACCOUNTABILITY for people who earn a fraction of what the far more error-prone players from their favourite team earn is a good example.

I'd love to have a read.

Regarding the referee thing, it's a constant battle with Sunderland fans. The majority just think the standard is shite, which probably isn't far from the truth. I would always argue that the pace of the game and the scrutiny it now comes under makes refereeing a thankless and pretty much impossible job.

Many fans claim they just call for consistency, but are rather inconsistent in their judgements a lot of the time, and some fans are absolutely adamant that certain refs either hate us or come to Sunderland to show they're not intimidated by the big crowd/club. This was particularly evident during our League One days, whereas in the Premier League the refs were apparently always in favour of the big teams over little old Sunderland.

Slightly on topic, some are now firmly entrenched in the 'everything is being done to benefit the Saudis/Sky/Newcastle.'

[ScousePig]

It was the most entertained I've been watching a game in a long, long time.

Imagine being a fan in the ground with all that carry on.

Vile.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah, a particularly weird theory I've seen advanced by the mad Arsenal fans is that Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher are being paid off by the PGMOL, as if the north west pair don't earn enough as it is without having a refereeing body top them up.

[Spikey M]

All fanbases have their moments, but Arsenal and Liverpool fans remain unrivalled in their ridiculousness.

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[ScousePig]

Soon the people playing this style will be the dinosaurs, and something else will be the innovation which will then take 5 years to filter through the whole game. Maybe it'll be overloading the flanks. Maybe it'll be the team positioning itself on the halfway line as seen last night with NFL style wide receivers trying to break through. Maybe people will be picked purely to sprint back from the offside trap with no intention of them ever touching the ball. Maybe someone will choose to play without a goalkeeper to get the extra man in the press. The march of progress is unstoppable.

Seems to be a 3-box-3 that's come into fashion, overloading the midfield with a full back whilst the other tucks in, allowing a 3-2-5 in attack and protecting yourself from a counter.

[ScousePig]

Yeah, a particularly weird theory I've seen advanced by the mad Arsenal fans is that Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher are being paid off by the PGMOL, as if the north west pair don't earn enough as it is without having a refereeing body top them up.

Gary Neville is firmly in bed with the Saudis, apparently. Fortunately I don't really listen to any of them. Carragher's views are roundly ignored on the Sunderland forum because he spat at someone so shouldn't be in his job. Females are only there to make the quota and Dan Sturridge was dressed as a bin liner or something so his views don't count.

[SvN]

All fanbases have their moments, but Arsenal and Liverpool fans remain unrivalled in their ridiculousness.

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Is that mantralux's new handle?

[Jimmy Floyd]

There's a particular cultish element in the online Arsenal fans that's been there since deep back into Wenger's time. I think originally it developed from the young metro liberal types who typically support Arsenal rallying together against their team's theoretically good football losing to Bolton and Stoke. God knows what it's morphed into now.

[wullie]

Michael Owen doesn't have any dreams, his imagination barely stretches to cover the time he's awake.

[Shindig]

This banger comes from "Beansy", courtesy of BBC's text thingy:


Howe being found out in the Champions League. Out of his depth. We need someone experienced to save our European season.

:cab:

[Ben]

People like that send in bullshit purposely because they know it’ll get them published. Freaks.

[niko_cee]

Always thought Beansy was a blade.

[Danny]

Of course he is, the bastard.

[Waffdon]

Brandt’s final ball has been horrendous in this game

Always works a treat. Lovely jubbly

[Lofty]

As much as I agree the majority of online Arsenal fans are melts, someone has asked chatGPT to write a match report for monday night but one version Arsenal and one version Tottenham, the Arsenal one came out as 'Emirates Shame' but the Spurs one was 'brave Tottenham' :D

[John Arne]

'brave' is always used when either 1) a team down to 9 men are beaten by between 2-4 goals or 2) the Japanese rugby team avoid a 20 point defeat against a top tier nation.

[Spikey M]

No no, it's a just big IA conspiracy to con the world into believing the Earth (and footballs, indeed) are spherical.

[niko_cee]

Are the French insisting on IA now?

[Luke Emia]

There was an Athletic podcast yesterday asking 'were Spurs the real winners?' after that Chelsea game it seems to have been completely lost that anyone with a vaguely competent attack hits them for as many as they want after they go down to 9 mine playing the way they were playing. It was basically only because Chelsea's heads had obviously gone as well and they have no decent attackers that they were still in the game at the end.

[phonics]

I've felt like Frank Grimes watching the reaction to all this. Maddening. Just trying to imagine if Arteta had 2 players sent off twice and then played that suicidally high line.

[Magic]

He's a dislikeable cunt though.

[niko_cee]

Spurs have always had a heavy, and largely frustrated, media following so it's hardly surprising that this narrative has been seized upon.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've checked with the FA and now had it confirmed to me that Spurs were not, in fact, the real winners.

[Ben]

The Saudi manager merry-go-round begins. Nuno the first casualty. Getting turned over 2-0 by the Iraqi Air Force was the final straw for the PIF in this one.

[phonics]

I've checked with the FA and now had it confirmed to me that Spurs were not, in fact, the real winners.

Well done Jim. Good process.

[Spikey M]

That Wolves team really was ridiculously good for him to still be finding work off the back of it.

[niko_cee]

As was pointed out the other day, David Wagner is still, inexplicably, in work with a steady stream of suitors always at the ready for when he's next 'available'.

Meanwhile I see Will Still's Reims are 4th in Ligue Un, can't be long until someone takes a punt on him. West Ham once Moyes' contract expires if not before?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Going on the High Performance Podcast must be worth at least 15 Ligue 1 points.

One for you niko:

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[Kikó]

There was an Athletic podcast yesterday asking 'were Spurs the real winners?' after that Chelsea game it seems to have been completely lost that anyone with a vaguely competent attack hits them for as many as they want after they go down to 9 mine playing the way they were playing. It was basically only because Chelsea's heads had obviously gone as well and they have no decent attackers that they were still in the game at the end.

The Bielsa effect.

[Magic]

The Bielsa effect.

Except he was roundly criticised.

[Waffdon]

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My owner

[Lewis]

There was an Athletic podcast yesterday asking 'were Spurs the real winners?' after that Chelsea game it seems to have been completely lost that anyone with a vaguely competent attack hits them for as many as they want after they go down to 9 mine playing the way they were playing. It was basically only because Chelsea's heads had obviously gone as well and they have no decent attackers that they were still in the game at the end.

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[Waffdon]

That HLTCO account has made a living off not using the RT button

[Lofty]

Looks like Partey was actually injured for the away leg of this fixture given he hasn't featured since.

[Giggles]

That's an odd one. Didn't last long anyway.


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[Luke Emia]

Looks like Partey was actually injured for the away leg of this fixture given he hasn't featured since.

Or more has happened in the background with the allegations?

[SvN]

That was liquid football.

[Baz]

So… is Hojlund good? He seems good.

[Kikó]

He should score goals. He actually looks talented.

[phonics]

I dont think I've ever been more wrong about a player than Trossard.

[phonics]

He should score goals. He actually looks talented.

It's amazing what actually trying and running around a bit can achieve.

[Danny]

Games gone

[Spikey M]

He should score goals. He actually looks talented.

He should probably try shooting..

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[Lewis]

He sees the ball about 1.7 times a game.

[Lofty]

Record-time implosion from Eric Bin Bag's men.

[SvN]

Are you actually watching, Hagrid?

*This seethe was brought to you by the betting thread*

[Don]

Bruno in a 10 man side alongside Eriksen in a midfield short on numbers is special. Antony to come in at some point too. I swear I enjoy Utd games almost as much as Liv games these days.

[CJay]

Thoughts on the red? All the ManYoo fans on Reddit are chimping out but hard to see what the issue is. Stamps down on his ankle with force. Lots of variations on “He put his leg under Rashford’s foot” :D

[Dark Soldier]

It isn't intentional, he went to shield the ball, but coulda easily snapped the fuckers ankle so yep red.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The ground came up and hit him guv.

United are actually best off finishing third as the wafer is their only chance of getting back into the CL. I'm sure the Glazers have wargamed this.

[Gray Fox]

They need Bayern to pull their finger out here. If Galatasaray sneak a late win they could well be eliminated in effect, tonight.

[SvN]

It's a proper VAR red card. It looks bad slowed down and freeze framed but that's never a red card circa 2010.

[Gray Fox]

Similar to the Curtis Jones one of a few weeks ago. He's not gone to do the player nor has he any bad intent with it, but it looks way worse in slow-mo.

[Dark Soldier]

Its the kinds call that pre VAR if a ref hadn't given it and fans had seen the slow mo they'd be screaming red card. Works both ways really. They can't fucking win whatever they do at the end of the day.

[Waffdon]

FM legend on to win the game for Copenhagen. Roony :cool:

[Gray Fox]

'arry Kane and VAR to the rescue.

[Gray Fox]

'arry Kane can only do so much lads...

[Waffdon]

FM legend on to win the game for Copenhagen. Roony :cool:

He’s been on the pitch 10 minutes and looks like a class above. I can confidently confirm he will go for millions and millions before long.

[Don]

Yeah, the kid looked elite long before that ridiculous finish. 17 and top scorer at that level is silly too. Kuwaiti mofo :cool:

[-james-]

Bardghji is far too many consonants in a row.

[Yevrah]

That was pretty fun, ten Hag is in trouble. Or would be at a functionally run club.

[Waffdon]

That Onana penalty save in the last minute looking more and more important.

Man Utd will probably still go through. Not sure I’d trust a Turkish side to win a must win game. Suppose a draw should be fine.

[SvN]

Oh god, Harvey "the retard" Yevrah is here to offer his expert opinion. Consider my wrists slit.

[Yevrah]

Oh god, Harvey "the retard" Yevrah is here to offer his expert opinion. Consider my wrists slit.

Still reeling from me being right about Southgate?

[SvN]

I have no idea what you're talking about you absolute lunatic.

[-james-]

This place gets weirder by the day. I need some sort of active beef schematic.

[Waffdon]

Seethe :drool: