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[Disco]

It should at least be distinct from the actual race so a reverse grid would be preferable to just running the first stint like they do now. Not preferable to binning it entirely but they aren't going to do that.

[Adramelch]

It is practically distinct from the actual race now is it not? Other than the tyre allocation I guess.

[Shindig]

Turn it into a Sprint Championship minus the top three teams or something. Gives the bottom end of the grid more to fight for.

[niko_cee]

'Fans', well the sort Liberty want, only really care about the top 3 teams, so that's probably a non-starter.

[Disco]

It is practically distinct from the actual race now is it not? Other than the tyre allocation I guess.

Sorry I meant the format, in that it still works exactly the same way as the normal race but shorter, so why would you watch the shit version of what you're going to get on Sunday?

[Jimmy Floyd]

You could have an exhibition sprint cup separate to the main championship, and allow teams to field other drivers in it if they wish. Hard with cost cutting and parc fermé rules though.

[Shindig]

Aye, get the test drivers in for the big teams. Gives them some actual racing experience with the cars.

[Jimmy Floyd]

F1 showing Stroll crossing the line in 16th place after another ordinary lap in the sprint quali and immediately cutting to show Felipe Drugovich watching on from the garage is quite naughty. Must be one of those pesky Brits at the controls.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I am truly baffled by these people's inability to drive within a white line. I know they only had one practice session but these guys are meant to be the best in the world.

[Waffdon]

They did change the track from yesterday tbf

[SincereTheRebel]

Blame the wind, ay they. Remove the kerbs and just put a gravel trap or a cliff edge.

[Jimmy Floyd]

A moat filled with tree sap.

[Gray Fox]

Do I once remember a suggestion of sandpaper-like material lining the other side of kerbs in order to ruin the tyres of offenders? Seems like that one will have come from the same box of ideas as Bernies sprinklers.

[Giggles]

The sprinklers idea is even more mad now that they're afraid to let them drive in drizzle.

[Disco]

I love all the mad suggestions around track limits as if it wasn't a solved problem and has been for decades.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's a solved problem if you drive between the white lines, these guys just aren't willing to make any compromises to do so. It's a bit like those football teams who continue to play out from the back even when 6-1 down.

[Disco]

It is solved by grass and bothering to police it, which you can see on any vaguely professional track day. As silly as it makes some of the drivers look I'm quite glad they've at least started to define the track by the white line (mostly), the problem will be when a new race director comes in and it's no longer flavour of the month.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Do they put a full safety car out for literally every incident now?

[niko_cee]

Yep, and run it for 25% of the race.

[niko_cee]

Piastri's engineer should probably be more concerned at what's coming from behind them rather than 'the race coming to them'.

[niko_cee]

Oh Perez. :happycry:

[Waffdon]

World champion Max. What a guy.

Be lucky to have 10 cars finish this race tomorrow if this sprint is anything to go by

[Giggles]

For a waste of time, that was decent enough fare.

[Waffdon]

Mclaren. Let’s goooooo

[niko_cee]

The sprints that I've seen this year have been quite good due to tyre offsets and whatnot, but we really need to have a system where laps behind the safety car aren't lost in such a short race, they must have done nearly half of that behind it. 4 or 5 laps to clear the cars was crimous.

[SincereTheRebel]

Lando about to cry. He has no saw all his full time team mates win races.

[Jimmy Floyd]

For a waste of time, that was decent enough fare.

The 2 or so times our Dutch hero has been off the front this year have produced good racing.

[Gray Fox]

Leclerc out of the points after a post-sprint 5 second penalty for track limits. Strulovitch also picked one up but lol at the thought of him in the points in the first place.

[Disco]

I might actually lose it if people start saying Oscar Piastri has won a race.

[Disco]

Lights out at Mt Panorama at 1.15am uk time by the way, I'm presume we're all staying up for that one.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I might actually lose it if people start saying Oscar Piastri has won a race.

F1 called it his 'first F1 win' which is doing my head in.

[Shindig]

Lights out at Mt Panorama at 1.15am uk time by the way, I'm presume we're all staying up for that one.

Is it the kind of thing they spit out to youtube?

[Disco]

I shall try one of these: https://old.reddit.com/r/motorsportstreams2/comments/172bedb/request_supercars_bathurst_1000_mount_panorama/

Otherwise it'll be up here in parts by tomorrow: https://burningwhee1s.blogspot.com/2023/10/v8-supercars-2023-round-10-bathurst.html

[Ben]

Hang on a sec.

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So that’s like a minimum three stopper. Four or five for the teams who burned through all their new sets in quali.

Have we ever seen a mandatory limit on tyres before?

[Waffdon]

Mclaren 1/2 if someone wipes Verstappen out on the first corner
Adramelch

[Gray Fox]

Unacceptable decision unless they're providing teams with more tyres.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Why are they doing that? Is deg out of control on the track surface?

[SincereTheRebel]

On F1 and Gran Turismo games, it makes some great racing when you are forced to use all three tyre choices. We all know how accurate and realistic computer games are.

[Giggles]

Why are they doing that? Is deg out of control on the track surface?

Isn't there some problem with the tyres? Though they had blamed that kerb and claimed nothing else was wrong.

[Adramelch]

The softs heavily degraded like 10 laps into the sprint yesterday, half of which were under safety car, no?

[SincereTheRebel]

The softs heavily degraded like 10 laps into the sprint yesterday, half of which were under safety car, no?

They did and they are making silly rules like this. Let the drivers sort it out. If tyres are undriveable, pit for new ones.

[Adramelch]

Yeah I'm not sure why they would impose a hard rule on it. Safety is nice and all, but it will by default homogenize the race.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It smacks of Pirelli not wanting to get sued, or similar.

[Giggles]

It smacks of Pirelli not wanting to get sued, or similar.

The guy they had on Sky yesterday talking about the problems came across a bit al Sahhaf.

[Giggles]

Finally found something that can damaged a Merc. Another Merc.

[Waffdon]

Mercedes :D

Easy double podium for McLaren now

[Adramelch]

A good old Mercedes special that.

[Gray Fox]

This has been waiting to happen for a long time. Bring it on.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Any danger of a replay lads?

Edit: Russell useless gimp again.

[Giggles]

The most entertaining thing that can happen this weekend is them two going for each other.

[Giggles]

Any danger of a replay lads?

They never do start replays very quick.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:harold:

Stunning.

[Waffdon]

Finally found something that can damaged a Merc. Another Merc.

Russell still relatively unscathed. Unreal

[Adramelch]

That was all Hamilton surely? Russell did show his elbows early on in that exchange, but the crash itself was all Hamilton.

[Giggles]

That's on Hamilton no matter how much they hedge around it. I'd love to hear the commentary if Russell had still been Bottas.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That was more Russell's fault than Chandhok is saying it is. He has to be aware of his left flank. Maybe just a racing incident overall.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What happened to Sainz, is he a good old-fashioned DNS?

[Adramelch]

Yeah some issue with his fuel system.

[Giggles]

What happened to Sainz, is he a good old-fashioned DNS?

Late fuel leak.

[Giggles]

That was more Russell's fault than Chandhok is saying it is. He has to be aware of his left flank. Maybe just a racing incident overall.

Yeah he should have stopped the car altogether to let him past.

[Gray Fox]

Attention now turns to how Strulovitch or Sergeant crash out of this race.

[Waffdon]

Yeah he should have stopped the car altogether to let him past.

Must. Not. Blame. Hamilton.

[Giggles]

Russell is on a stormer.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Are Mossad running the TV van for this race? They keep missing everything.

[Ben]

Are Mossad running the TV van for this race? They keep missing everything.

:lol:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Such a shame Lewis has calmed down.

Would have been class had he stuck the boot into Tory Boy.

Some team-mate rivalry is class.

[Ben]

This is great now the drivers have no reason to do shitty tyre management. Who would have thought it.

[Shindig]

Only seen the one angle of the Mercedes clash but Hamilton could've backed out/took a wider line.

[Waffdon]

1.8 seconds pit by mclaren :drool:

[Waffdon]

Alonso is lucky he didn’t wipe Leclerc the fuck out there

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Alonso a lucky boy.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Checo once again showing his shitness.

[Waffdon]

Sargent. Fuck me, lad.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That was weird as fuck from Tory Boy.

[Waffdon]

Commentators seem to think Russell has a chance of catching up with McLarens lol

[Jimmy Floyd]

Gasly's barely driven on the track.

[Adramelch]

Horrendous driving on his part. Just thrown points away for no reason really. Alpine not much better for that late "give the place back" call either.

[Waffdon]

I really hope mclaren find more improvements for next year.

Poor Piastri’s face there - he definitely thought he was about to get another track limits

[Disco]

I'm a bit late to the party on this but I'm struggling to see how Hamilton doesn't just turn in on Russell there, he was the one with extra space outside.

[niko_cee]

Trying to watch the highlights of this are confusing as fuck, the offset pit strategies meaning when they jump between laps it is all over the place.

Yeah, looked like Hamilton at fault, or at least nothing Russell could do, given Russell has the modern sporting mindset of back yourself and fuck the consequences which I don't think an old man like Hamilton can get his head around. I assume his thinking was he'd take his medicine being in a slightly shit position and let him sweep around the outside, which would probably have made more sense for the team.

[Shindig]

There's a bloke on the Aston Martin pit wall called Mike Krack. Lol.

[niko_cee]

Seriously impressive from Perez to be pootling around in the midfield minor places in what is probably the most dominant race car of all time.

Mandatory tyre life windows are a terrible thing.

Verstappen reacting to his engineer/Christian Horner about the most entertainment to be had at the sharp end as usual.

[niko_cee]

Also thought Logan Sargeant was going to die in the car as he was trying to retire it, I know it's unsympathetic, but that was quite funny.

[SincereTheRebel]

Also thought Logan Sargeant was going to die in the car as he was trying to retire it, I know it's unsympathetic, but that was quite funny.

Good. They usually complain F1 cars are too easy to drive. Its about time they worked up a sweat.

[SincereTheRebel]

Looking back at it. Quite a few of the drivers, struggled to stand once they got out their car. Richie Rich staggered over to the ambulance :lol:

[thommo]

Max didn't have one track limit violation all race. Perez had enough to earn three separate 5-second penalties, and STILL finished only 10th. :D

[Ben]

Croft was trying to play up the McLaren duo hunting Verstappen down towards the end ("only 4 seconds gap!") but really Max was just driving round at 90% the whole race. It's sad really that they do this, I'd just wish that they could go balls to the wall the full race for once because this Max+RB19 combo is absolutely deadly and it would be interesting to see just how many seconds he could win by.

[Adramelch]

In fairness, even Max said it was closer than it should have been. They wouldn't have passed him in normal conditions, but a wrong move, a 5-sec penalty, maybe a safety car (though he had medium vs their hards, so not much room for shenanigans) and it could have turned.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67088503

:happycry:

[Jimmy Floyd]

I swear he's been 92 for about ten years now.

[niko_cee]

Not being cynical, but I wonder if Lord Edis essentially preventing custodial sentences being imposed in all but the most serious of cases has had any baring on this sudden change of heart.

[SincereTheRebel]

https://youtu.be/8FI0VYx7JHs?si=KNPlyMN3AI-aiiti

[Pepe]

Link it when they actually do it.

[Shindig]

Yeah, I don't see it happening. The transition to get a car from right side up to arse over tit is too great.

[niko_cee]

Would being upside down, and thus the added force of gravity pulling the car off the road help with porpoising or lead to disaster?

[Shindig]

In my head, it's the latter. I've also just thought of how tricky it'll be for them to get the car back to a normal position.

It's not going to be like Tony Hawk doing the loop.

[niko_cee]

Having watched the video, I've no idea who that monumental grifter is but fucking hell, that's one hell of a grift. Only interesting thing was the F1 car size comparison showing how stupidly massive the modern ones are.

[Disco]

I think you'd get porpoising if you could go fast enough, too slow and the ground effect won't be enough to grab the car again. I didn't watch it but surely an older car would be better for this, far lighter and far more positive aero rather than ground effect. Plus I'm not an engine guy but running them both ways up is presumably an issue.

[Shindig]

He's going with a hillclimber. Probably with an electric engine to combat that pesky gravity's effects on combustion engines.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, they alluded to a c.300Kg hill climbing car [ the something Wraith] being the preferred option.

Also sounds like it needs to be electric as combustion engines don't like being upside down.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think you'd get porpoising if you could go fast enough, too slow and the ground effect won't be enough to grab the car again. I didn't watch it but surely an older car would be better for this, far lighter and far more positive aero rather than ground effect. Plus I'm not an engine guy but running them both ways up is presumably an issue.

I am an engine guy (well, nowadays) and my thoughts are surely the oil will just drain the wrong way almost immediately and seize it.

[niko_cee]

That point was raised and exploded upon.

[Waffdon]

Quali is on at 10pm tonight because it’s another fackin sprint weekend.

[Gray Fox]

Mercedes apparently with a final, big, floor upgrade that they're hoping will shape the '24 car. Let's see what that can give them today.

There's Twitter talk that Perez could be dumped, should he lose 2nd in the standings to Hamilton or Alonso, with Ricciardo having done 'enough' to jump in for 2024. Lawson would then get the Tauri seat.

Other than that and to see who replaces Logi Bear, the only real fights left are in the constructors. The bottom 5 are pretty much set, save for one outstanding result somewhere. McLaren hauling in Aston thanks to Strulovitch incompetence and the tiny chance of chasing down Ferrari is there.

Given we had the two Mercedes almost DNF each other last time out and they still came out of it with more points than Ferrari, I'd suggest them catching Mercedes isn't too likely, but you never know.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Oh dear Aston Martin.

[Gray Fox]

Aston with another incredible 'upgrade.'

[Adramelch]

Edit: Just realised that table makes no sense. It was a fantasy f1 thing.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Max wants to punt Checo's head in it seems.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They had better delete that Max time.

Edit: :drool:

[Gray Fox]

Could be a decent race with that grid.

[niko_cee]

Tasty grid for the race.

[Waffdon]

Aye, that’s great. Cracking lap from Norris as I’m not sure that track suits them at all. Piastri struggled throughout quali.

Verstappen should still win - he’ll be a joke with that DRS

[niko_cee]

Sharl is such a bellend.

:D

Fairplay to Horner calling him Charles, I assume that is meant as a little dig or needle of some sort seeing as pretty much everything he says is laced with it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Seems like Brundle listed about half the grid to be investigated for going too slow.

[niko_cee]

Loving that some saboteur has been out with the white paint making the track limits a bit bigger.

Just need to have an actual problem off the track, like grass or gravel, and the thing polices itself.

[Gray Fox]

4 teams within 0.101.

I suspect Red Bull have the race pace to pull away, but that's set up very nicely again.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Max bullied Charlie on that first corner.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The leaders under a second apart for a change, and we have to look at the battle for 9th and a load of start replays. I swear the TV direction is going way downhill.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Tory Boy went off the track to overtake Piastri!

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

George is such a crybaby at times.

[Waffdon]

Mclaren don’t look racey at all here. Struggling badly, especially Piastri who also struggled in Quali

Could do with improving their DRS for next year or straight line speed in general

[Gray Fox]

Even with a pretty good upgrade, still 0.5 per lap behind the bulls.

[Waffdon]

Maybe spoke too soon. Norris gained nearly 7 seconds on Leclerc in that last 8/9 laps. Shame he took an age to get past Sainz but that bodes well for tomorrow if in clear air. P2 the best place to be as well.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That was good for 2 laps and then descended into meh.

[niko_cee]

Even with a pretty good upgrade, still 0.5 per lap behind the bulls.

It's a testament to whoever is responsible for the Red Bull floor [I guess Newey gets the credit but it's probably some minions somewhere] that it appears to be still so far ahead of the field, unlike previous aero regulation revelations like the double diffuser, which took about 15 minutes for the rest of the field to catch up to once they understood what was actually allowed. And then there's the whole DRS thing, which will probably end up to be some sort of extremely clever 'rule interpretation' which again, kudos, no one else has figured out [like bendy wings Mk II on acid].

Verstappen will need to have some sort of significant misfortune to not win by a decent margin tomorrow.

[Gray Fox]

The other problem is the boffins are restricted by the cost cap now. Mercedes as an example probably used most of theirs abandoning the sidepodless ship this year and getting James Allison back in. He probably knows exactly how to build a Red Bull clone by now, but by the time they are able to implement it(the start of 2024), Newey and co will have driven it another 0.5s up the road from them.

Shows how good a job McLaren have done to go from relative backmarker to challenging for podium race on race.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Anthony Joshua on the radio to Gasly :lol:

[Giggles]

We're on course for the Waff cumsplosion now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Lando, Hamilton 1-2 would be amazing.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Piastri :(

[Waffdon]

We're on course for the Waff cumsplosion now.

If Verstappen doesn’t catch him (he will) there will be another fuck up to ruin the day.

[Gray Fox]

Not sure the one stopper is the way to go here.

[Waffdon]

Mclaren had to go on Hards regardless as only 1 pair of Mediums left. Verstappen will overtake Norris within 5 laps now

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Hamilton isn't very happy.

[Gray Fox]

I'm hoping Mercedes know something we don't.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Please don't take this away from me :(

[Waffdon]

Looking like another weekend of Red Bull donning everyone strategy wise

[Adramelch]

Feels like Norris has been told to lift his foot off the gas, probably sticking to the one stop I guess.

Edit: Or not. :D

[Waffdon]

Why would you put hards back on?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I doubt mediums would last.

[Adramelch]

A lot of them did run the mediums for over 20 laps with a heavier load though. I guess it's the safer bet and they don't (realistically) think they can get Verstappen anyway.

[Gray Fox]

Yeah I feel like Lewis gets Lando here with some fight, but not Max.

[Adramelch]

What's Ferarri's strategy with Leclerc I wonder? Looks like he's the slowest driver on track at the moment.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If Max could bin it into a wall with his shit brakes that would be great.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That was dangerous.

[Waffdon]

It’s the hope that kills. Norris so consistent at podiums but just can’t get that win.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Can they please keep talking to Max whilst he's braking?

[niko_cee]

Not that it would have made any difference, Merc fucked that with their first stop dithering, but getting DRS off backmarkers you are lapping is plain stupid.

[Waffdon]

Hamilton on them Mediums makes not putting them on Norris even more dumb now. They seen how well he done on them in the latter stages of the sprint race on lighter fuel

[Gray Fox]

Not that it would have made any difference, Merc fucked that with their first stop dithering, but getting DRS off backmarkers you are lapping is plain stupid.

I don't think they have the closing pace at the end if they go earlier.

Interested to see what kind of issue Max had if any. Mercs could be on for their traditional strong showing in Brazil.

[niko_cee]

They'd have had track position to fuck about with Verstappen a bit on their slower hard tyre middle stint.

Hamilton knew it as soon as they let the gap drift to 6 seconds on the undercut.

[Waffdon]

Doesn’t help they’re also consistently one of the worst teams at pit stops. Merc lose out on a second most pits to Mclaren and Red Bull

[Adramelch]

I don't think they have the closing pace at the end if they go earlier.

Interested to see what kind of issue Max had if any. Mercs could be on for their traditional strong showing in Brazil.

He could have gone for the hards earlier and still gone back to the mediums on the same lap that he did, losing much less time in the process.

[phonics]

Doesn’t help they’re also consistently one of the worst teams at pit stops. Merc lose out on a second most pits to Mclaren and Red Bull

Red Bull were famously cheating with their pits and that record setter from McLaren last week has me thinking they are now too.

[Shindig]

Cheating how? Super fun fuel rigs or just wheel covers that come off really, really quick?

[phonics]

Cheating how? Super fun fuel rigs or just wheel covers that come off really, really quick?

For Red Bull they changed the guns with the redlight/green light thing.

[Shindig]

Hmmm. That's actually kinda clever. The one thing I've read is their wheelnuts are more robust, too. So they don't have to worry about them getting stuck like Mercedes' have.

[phonics]

Just seen F1 Manager 23 is out and the cover art is excellent for multiple reasons. 1, they seem to have been asked to 'pose as if you were looking at the shit you've just taken' and 2, the fact that its the two most successful team leaders and then gunther.

https://i.imgur.com/Q1fFvh8.png

[Shindig]

Ron Dennis got out at the right time.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Logan Sargeant point?!?!?

[Gray Fox]

It would be very on brand for both teams if they get thrown out.

Not sure they can throw a 52827th reprimand at them for this one.

[Ben]

Both disqualified officially.

It was a worn skid block which usually doesn’t happen from one big impact but repeated scraping throughout the race. Fair enough penalty then, Hamilton wouldn’t have been up Max’s arse if he was riding higher. Leclerc fuck knows because he was still a tractor, probably battling with Sargeant.

[thommo]

Yup, both Hamilton and Leclerc disqualified. The fact it's a sprint weekend can't have helped regarding setup but it's an uncharacteristic mistake from Mercedes. On the other hand, I've come to expect it from Ferrari.

Double points for Williams though, that's a cracking result considering where they qualified.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Do they inspect everyone? Two different cars being done for the same thing is highly unusual.

[Giggles]

Hasn't it been the one main thing inspected on all cars for years? I don't think there's a conspiracy there.

[Gray Fox]

I suspect cutting two practice sessions of set up time out is wot dun it. Might also explain how Lewis and Charles were so much faster than their teammates if they were running extremely low.

I suppose the lack of running on high fuel loads is what stopped this also happening in the sprint.

[thommo]

Do they inspect everyone? Two different cars being done for the same thing is highly unusual.

Scrutineering is done completely at random I believe. Russell and Sainz didn't have their cars checked.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah, my thought was that if two different cars have been done then how many more also likely transgressed.

[Ben]

They only check four cars, so it's almost certain that others have also done it.

COTA is notoriously bumpy in areas so I was wondering if that was an issue, but all the paddock journos are saying the kerbs did it. Which if is the case, I've no sympathy, stay on the fucking road (same goes for track limits).

Mercedes had a proper mare all weekend. They squandered a shit load of points in hindsight (even without the DQ), that update looks decent.

[Adramelch]

To be precise, they check a car from each of the top four teams (Verstappen, Norris, Hamilton and Leclerc in this case). Not sure how they decide which of the two cars will be tested.

[John Arne]

You'd have a thought that 1) They would check all points scoring cars and if not then at least 2) If a car fails a check, then you also check the other car.

[Ben]

I'm not that much of a rule buff but I would have thought that Hamilton and Leclerc transgressions would give them enough probable cause to go and inspect Russell and Sainz.

Probably an oversight in the wording means they can't but it'll get introduced ASAP.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd be pissed off if I were whoever finished 11th after this and there was a high likelihood of more cars that should have been DQ'd.

[thommo]

I don't know how long the scrutineering checks take but I presume that unless the car is chosen, it's released back to the teams thus breaking parc ferme conditions, so they can't retrospectively check Russell/Sainz after the fact.

[Waffdon]

Albon looking nifty in FP1 and FP3. That car likes a long straight

[Gray Fox]

I reckon it's one of those where he's going to put the car in something like 7th and proceed to run an Albon train as people behind just can't overtake him.

That car will love the Vegas straight too, which is also lol in length.

[Waffdon]

I’ll be surprised if Mclaren do anything this weekend as the track couldn’t suit their car less. Can’t completely write off Merc/Ferrari shambles that lead to another Norris podium though

[Ben]

Big fan of Waff’s McLaren fandom.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I was fanboying McLaren in 1998, it never ends well. Except in 1998, actually.

[Shindig]

Papaya McLaren is just something I can't quite get behind. Dress it up like a pack of smokes or take on the Gulf livery full time.

[Waffdon]

Big fan of Waff’s McLaren fandom.

It was just solely Norris but Piastri is an absolute don as well. Plus. The colours :wub:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm with Waff.

McLaren :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I feel for the Mexicans, imagine feeling that you need to cheer for someone so shit.

Guess it's like supporting England.

[Gray Fox]

You don't often see teams on mediums in Qualifying. I wonder if that saved set will come in handy tomorrow.

[niko_cee]

Traffic jam. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

How are you allowed to park it in the pit lane?

Oh, you're not. lol.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Lando :(

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They'll give Max another reprimand.

[Waffdon]

Oh fuck off.

[niko_cee]

Crafty Alonso torpedoing everyone's final lap.

[Gray Fox]

That'll be 3 places for the Tory and a reprimand for Max.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Couldn't see Max's one clearly, but Russell should start at the back for that.

[niko_cee]

Alonso under investigation for it as well.

[Waffdon]

Crafty Alonso torpedoing everyone's final lap.

Definitely looked a bit suspect :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Seems everyone is going to get penalties to push Checo to pole.

[Jimmy Floyd]

And yeah, Fernando knew exactly what he was doing. On the throttle last part of the three-part chicane in front of a major DRS zone? Sure, amigo.

Fortunately he's never been involved in deliberate crashing incidents before, so absolutely no suspicion falls upon him.

[Gray Fox]

This is all very silly

[Waffdon]

Tsounoda coulda definitely got into P3 and gave the tow then. Bit of a waste in P2

[Jimmy Floyd]

Bring back one-shot qualifying


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HVRCIoIkjA

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This qualifying is a bit mad.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I see the world's 20 best drivers are still unable to drive within a very wide track.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Red flag it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Holy shit.

[Gray Fox]

How on earth has Danny Ric got that in 4th?

[Jimmy Floyd]

There should be a clause in Perez's contract whereby if he gets outqualified by Minardi at his home race, it's an automatic sacking and Horner drives the car on Sunday.

[Waffdon]

offt. Sainz masterclass ala Singapore pls

[Waffdon]

Only Sargeant got a penalty out of the bunch of folk I who were cited. 10 grid place penalty. Lol.

[Ben]

No penalties seems like a massive bottlejob because it would obviously involve too many big names.

Also Checo getting shown up by the B car is proper embarrassing. Can’t see how he’s in that seat next year.

[Adramelch]

His contract expires at the end of 2024 and they didn't think paying him out is worth it when they are that dominant. That's my only explanation.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This mariachi version of the F1 theme tune is unfortunately bad enough to render the championship null and void. Sorry Max.

[Waffdon]

15/1 and 25/1 for Leclerc/Sainz respectively seems a bit mental. I know Ferrari love a cock up but they are good on the straights and could see another Singapore scenario come into play.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

15/1 and 25/1 for Leclerc/Sainz respectively seems a bit mental. I know Ferrari love a cock up but they are good on the straights and could see another Singapore scenario come into play.

£2 on each EW.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Checo :lol:

[Waffdon]

Oh my days :lol:

[Waffdon]

£2 on each EW.

Soz mate

[Adramelch]

That was a massive start by Verstappen, only overshadowed by the man, the myth, the legend Sergio fucking Perez.

[Gray Fox]

We need big Lewis points now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That was all a bit Leroy Jenkins. I feel for the home fans having to support this idiot. Not sure how long the event survives post him.

[niko_cee]

Ferrari chose the wrong red bull to crash into.

[Waffdon]

Norris looking slow as fuck on them softs.

[Shindig]

Checo and Stroll need to swap cars for a weekend. Just to see how they'd get on.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Is Mexico always this shit?

Nothing has happened outside of the very first corner.

[niko_cee]

Yes.

Lift and coast baby.

Tyre management formula.

[Ben]

Proper shit this. Pirelli need firing into the sun along with about 100kg of car weight.

[Ben]

How can they possibly penalise Leclerc when he wasn’t flagged?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The awful stadium complex is to blame, you can't send them into a DRS zone from that monstrosity.

[Adramelch]

How can they possibly penalise Leclerc when he wasn’t flagged?

Well he's not driving a Red Bull so anything can be penalised.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Lol at that Ferrari radio message.


https://youtu.be/GMtQ2vnlYWE?si=-FgMSygmv9DhX7pO

[Waffdon]

Norris looking slow as fuck on them softs.

Rapid on the hards though. Only 3 seconds behind Piastri.

[Waffdon]

A safety car in the next 5-10 laps would be lovely

Cheers Kevin

[Jimmy Floyd]

That looks like a massive shunt.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

BIG hit.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Let it burn the track down.

[Ben]

Marshalls having a siesta here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Marshals and the McLaren strategists.

Stop moaning Max.

[Ben]

Daft from McLaren there. Red flag was pretty obvious when the camera showed the barrier in that state.

[Waffdon]

They did wait a bit to be fair. Only lost out on 2 places so hardly the end of the world.

Should finish top 6 at the minimum now on new tyres.

[Gray Fox]

Lewis probably a winner from this flag, assuming he had another new set of hards to bolt on.

[Jimmy Floyd]

AT about to perform a constructors champ heist. This is the excitement that 2023 needed.

[Ben]

Don’t think he does.

[Gray Fox]

I don't think the mediums are the tyre to be on here. Short term gain for Lewis but long term pain.

[Ben]

Ricciardo 4th finish after all the medium runners go backwards.

[Waffdon]

George Russell wasn’t definitely bullied at school.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've been watching Japanese F1 drivers for nearly 30 years now and they're all the fucking same.

[Ben]

Tsunoda is such a clown.

[Adramelch]

Tsunoda's tactic was seemingly to use Piastri's car for braking.

[niko_cee]

Sergio in the garage a bit of a sad sight.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Ocon :lol:

What a weird message coupled with a shit attempt at the overtake.

[Ben]

Have McLaren painted Norris’ hard tyres yellow? His pace is mental, the mediums should be gone.

[Waffdon]

Norris :wub:

If only he didn’t go backwards at the restart. Would have been on for another podium at this rate