Tokyo Olympics

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Honestly I think it's a bit of a cop out. It might be very cynical of me, but it's a little convenient how she makes a mistake on one apparatus, recording a low score by her standards, and then conveniently cites mental health as a reason to sit out the rest of the event, leaving her 3 teammates in the lurch who have to pick up the slack. Not to mention American gymnasts who missed out on the team because she's there.

I feel a little less strongly now she has said she's going to miss the individual event too, but even so, the song and dance in the media is a joke. They spent 20-30 minutes this morning on 5 live nattering about how proud they were of her, rather than focusing on live GB involvement in a number of disciplines.
Because she probably though she could get through it before that jump. Knowing she fucked up probably caused her to spiral slightly and think that she's just fucked her whole team up which would have put her in an even worse headspace.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57986166

BBC are also saying she had the "twisties" aka the yips so she would have known that she wouldn't be able to perform to any sort of viable standard. She probably thought that the best way she could help her team was by sitting out.

[Pepe]

They spent 20-30 minutes this morning on 5 live nattering about how proud they were of her

And that right there is the issue. I have no issue with her doing whatever the fuck she wants.

There are people that thrive under pressure, and others that crack under pressure. In as much as I think that thriving under pressure is a more desirable trait than cracking under pressure, I think that the former should be celebrated, not the latter.

All of this is, of course, tarnished by my experience teaching in the university. We have created an environment where any sort of stress is to be avoided at all costs. Creating situations where students are stressed (like, you know, exams) is deemed harmful. I personally believe that the only way to improve oneself is by being continuously pushed beyond ones own boundaries. But now we're not supposed to do that, or students might not feel 'safe', which is the worst thing one could do to anyone apparently. I think this kind of nonsense is worse for them, yet here we are.

[Shindig]

I think it's more the grandstanding over the erm ... coming out rather than talking more deeply about the why's and when's of a person's mental state. It's like "The first step is admitting you have a problem" is the only step, at times. There's also the idea that any discussion about mental health has to be taken on eggshells. Confrontation is key in solving any problem.

I dunno. I spend my days miffed that our claimants with depression can scream, "PLEASE HELP! I AM DESPERATE!" only to watch them no-show 3 assessments.

[Spikey M]

"It's OK not to be ok" means "it's OK to reach out and get help" not "it's OK that you're suffering", and I think that's the message from the media here. "Look, an Olympic athlete is retiring to look after her mental health". I can't really see the problem.

[Pepe]

She probably thought that the best way she could help her team was by sitting out.

Which is ok, but then she should have just said that. What I heard is that she needed to focus on herself, as opposed to any concern for her teammates.

[Yevrah]

All of this is, of course, tarnished by my experience teaching in the university. We have created an environment where any sort of stress is to be avoided at all costs. Creating situations where students are stressed (like, you know, exams) is deemed harmful. I personally believe that the only way to improve oneself is by being continuously pushed beyond ones own boundaries. But now we're not supposed to do that, or students might not feel 'safe', which is the worst thing one could do to anyone apparently. I think this kind of nonsense is worse for them, yet here we are.

A mate of mine lectures undergrads and says exactly the same thing.

[randomlegend]

Very much so. The focus to this point has been about how we should look out for it, admit we have have it, talk about it etc. and not on how you actually deal with it when it hits.

Take this case, seems all very congratulatory on her 'coming out', but no actual substance on what to do beyond that.

Ok, well I don't agree that that's the message.

I see at as "mental health problems are not something you should be ashamed of" as opposed to "being mentally ill is fine, crack on".

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Which is ok, but then she should have just said that. What I heard is that she needed to focus on herself, as opposed to any concern for her teammates.
Depression is a spiral though if she thinks she's hurting her teammates chances she's going to be putting herself into a worse mindset. By taking herself out of the equation it helps them (as she probably feels that she isn't good enough to support them) but it helps herself more because she doesn't end up circling down.

[Yevrah]

Ok, well I don't agree that that's the message.

I see at as "mental health problems are not something you should be ashamed of" as opposed to "being mentally ill is fine, crack on".

I don't see the 'crack on' in your quote, just see far too much talking being encouraged than doing.

[randomlegend]

And that right there is the issue. I have no issue with her doing whatever the fuck she wants.

There are people that thrive under pressure, and others that crack under pressure. In as much as I think that thriving under pressure is a more desirable trait than cracking under pressure, I think that the former should be celebrated, not the latter.

All of this is, of course, tarnished by my experience teaching in the university. We have created an environment where any sort of stress is to be avoided at all costs. Creating situations where students are stressed (like, you know, exams) is deemed harmful. I personally believe that the only way to improve oneself is by being continuously pushed beyond ones own boundaries. But now we're not supposed to do that, or students might not feel 'safe', which is the worst thing one could do to anyone apparently. I think this kind of nonsense is worse for them, yet here we are.

You falsely conflate "not being able to handle pressure" with being mentally ill.

[Pepe]

You falsely conflate "not being able to handle pressure" with being mentally ill.

I think that the conflation is being done by others. We do not know that Simone Biles is mentally ill. All we know is that she bailed out of a high pressure situation.

[Yevrah]

You falsely conflate "not being able to handle pressure" with being mentally ill.

We do that hugely as a society though, things like burn out and stress are discussed like they're on a spectrum with actual mental illness.

[Pepe]

A mate of mine lectures undergrads and says exactly the same thing.

We even had some weirdo give a presentation on alternative assessment methods, which he started by saying that grading is fascist. :D

Of course, instead of being lolled off the park, he gets approving nods from most. What a world to live in.

[Yevrah]

I think that the conflation is being done by others. We do not know that Simone Biles in mentally ill. All we knows is that she bailed out of a high pressure situation.

:nodd:

[Yevrah]

We even had some weirdo give a presentation on alternative assessment methods, which he started by saying that grading is fascist. :D

Of course, instead of being lolled off the park, he gets approving nods from most. What a world to live in.

Chuck in what we're about to see on Monday and it is a truly broken World.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think that the conflation is being done by others. We do not know that Simone Biles in mentally ill. All we knows is that she bailed out of a high pressure situation.
Considering she's been in many high pressure situations before and done just fine I'm going to take her word for it.

[randomlegend]

I don't see the 'crack on' in your quote, just see far too much talking being encouraged than doing.

Well because the actual treatments for depression are something which need to be overseen by a professional and tailored to an individual. I'm not sure what the benefit would be of them discussion the relative merits of various antidepressants on radio 1 for example.

And even then there's plenty of discussion about things people might be able to do to help themselves (mindfulness, exercise, sleep hygiene, etc).

[randomlegend]

I think that the conflation is being done by others. We do not know that Simone Biles is mentally ill. All we know is that she bailed out of a high pressure situation.

Oh right, so unless she's willing to tell everyone the ins and outs of whatever mental health diagnosis she might have then the right thing to do is to assume she's lying?

[Pepe]

What word? Has she said "I am mentally ill?" I don't think that she did, but I am not really following either?

If she is indeed mentally ill, why didn't she seek help earlier? They showed some highlights of her bottling a few of her routines during the qualifiers.

[Spikey M]

She's only won 36 medals (27 gold), she clearly just has problems coping with pressure.

[Yevrah]

And even then there's plenty of discussion about things people might be able to do to help themselves (mindfulness, exercise, sleep hygiene, etc).

And this is where we have an issue, those things are conflated with warding off actual mental illness.

[randomlegend]

We do that hugely as a society though, things like burn out and stress are discussed like they're on a spectrum with actual mental illness.

No, we recognise that over-exposure those things are risk factors for developing mental illness (which they are). That doesn't mean they are the same. It also doesn't mean all stress must be removed from the world. or even that we should aim for that.

[Lewis]

She was only doing the job then. 2021 she's got the weight of Black Girl Magic on her shoulders.

[randomlegend]

And this is where we have an issue, those things are conflated with warding off actual mental illness.

Those things do have a role in warding off actual mental illness. Not all mental illness for all people, obviously. You're not going to overcome your florid schizophrenia by going for a run, but there's good evidence that regular exercise can help with things like depression.

[Giggles]

No, we recognise that over-exposure those things are risk factors for developing mental illness (which they are). That doesn't mean they are the same. It also doesn't mean all stress must be removed from the world. or even that we should aim for that.

But where we’re heading is exactly that.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What word? Has she said "I am mentally ill?" I don't think that she did, but I am not really following either?

If she is indeed mentally ill, why didn't she seek help earlier? They showed some highlights of her bottling a few of her routines during the qualifiers.

She has said she needed to focus on her mental health and that in the final she experienced the gymnastic equivalent of the yips.

She probably has, we have no insight into what she does in her private life.

Or she didn't think it was a problem until now and now has realised that it is.

[randomlegend]

What word? Has she said "I am mentally ill?" I don't think that she did, but I am not really following either?

If she is indeed mentally ill, why didn't she seek help earlier?

Because it isn't easy? The lack of empathy is absolutely astounding.

[Pepe]

She's only won 36 medals (27 gold), she clearly just has problems coping with pressure.

See? What the hell is this shit? When did I say that she has trouble coping with pressure? All I know is that she bailed out of a major competition. Now everyone is applauding her for doing so, because mental health is important. Who is making the assumptions here?

My stance: I do not think that people quitting in the middle of a competition that occurs every four years should be lauded as heroes.

Not that hard. I am not the one making assumptions about her mental state and whatnot.

[Yevrah]

No, we recognise that over-exposure those things are risk factors for developing mental illness (which they are).

But developing which mental illnesses though, potentially all or any of them?

The discussion needs to be far clearer and not have things like stress or burn out (which I don't think is even medically recognised) anywhere near bipolar disorder, for example.

[randomlegend]

But where we’re heading is exactly that.

Some people seem to have that as their goal, yes. That doesn't mean mental illness isn't real.

[Giggles]

Because it isn't easy? The lack of empathy is absolutely astounding.

Lack of empathy? She has most of the worlds media kissing her arse ever since.

[Pepe]

She was only doing the job then. 2021 she's got the weight of Black Girl Magic on her shoulders.

That is probably it.

[Giggles]

Some people seem to have that as their goal, yes. That doesn't mean mental illness isn't real.

It was always real, but most of the things people call mental illness these days aren’t.

[Yevrah]

Some people seem to have that as their goal, yes. That doesn't mean mental illness isn't real.

But why have that as a goal? Are people so dumb to think that if we get rid of stress then bipolar disorder won't exist?

[randomlegend]

But developing which mental illnesses though, potentially all or any of them?

The discussion needs to be far clearer and not have things like stress or burn out (which I don't think is even medically recognised) anywhere near bipolar disorder, for example.

Developing a mental illness is a complex interplay between genetics and experience which is a million miles from being well understood. Someone may be genetically predisposed to develop a mental illness under certain conditions and but never be put in a situation which brings that out. Someone else might actually be pretty genetically resilient to mental illness, but be exposed to exactly the wrong set of circumstances and develop one anyway. Hypothetical person C might be doomed to develop schizophrenia no matter what. Someone else might have survived Auschwitz and be OK.

[randomlegend]

But why have that as a goal? Are people so dumb to think that if we get rid of stress then bipolar disorder won't exist?

I don't know, you'd have to ask someone who thinks that way.

[Spikey M]

See? What the hell is this shit? When did I say that she has trouble coping with pressure? All I know is that she bailed out of a major competition. Now everyone is applauding her for doing so, because mental health is important. Who is making the assumptions here?

My stance: I do not think that people quitting in the middle of a competition that occurs every four years should be lauded as heroes.

Not that hard. I am not the one making assumptions about her mental state and whatnot.

There's no need for assumptions at all. She pulled out to look after her mental health. She said so. The end. You don't have to understand it or worship her as a hero. You don't even have to care. Some of you are really weird about the mental health of others.

[randomlegend]

Lack of empathy? She has most of the worlds media kissing her arse ever since.

What's that got to do with Pepe?

[Yevrah]

I don't know, you'd have to ask someone who thinks that way.

Fair enough.

Do you think it's constructive/useful/whatever to have all brain issues lumped under 'mental health/illness' or does it vastly oversimplify the issue?

[Pepe]

There's no need for assumptions at all. She pulled out to look after her mental health. She said so. The end. You don't have to understand it or worship her as a hero. You don't even have to care.

Indeed. Instead, even the media of other countries treat it like the greatest achievement of the competition.

[Shindig]

It's an umbrella term because most of them share symptoms. That's difficult to extrapolate.

[randomlegend]

Fair enough.

Do you think it's constructive/useful/whatever to have all brain issues lumped under 'mental health/illness' or does it vastly oversimplify the issue?

Like most things I don't think there's a simple right or wrong answer.

On the one hand, it would probably be useful to inject some nuance into the conversation. On the other, most people aren't going to have the depth of understanding of the various mental health conditions which exist to be able to make talking about them distinctly useful.

Talking about "mental health" makes it simple so you can put out clear messages which probably are relevant to all types of mental illness.

You also run into the issue of people arguing about which mental illness is "worse" or "counts" if you start trying to separate them, but then that probably happens to an extent anyway.

[Spikey M]

Indeed. Instead, even the media of other countries treat it like the greatest achievement of the competition.

You sound like one of those bitter old homophobes.

It's UNNATURAL. Disgusting. And they've got rainbow flags up in facking McDonald's like we should be saluting them?! WELL I'M NOT DOING IT! *kicks BigMac at a short-haired woman*

[randomlegend]

Indeed. Instead, even the media of other countries treat it like the greatest achievement of the competition.

Why do you care if other people celebrate her? Are you jealous or what?

[Dave.]

We're talking about them and encouraging people to talk about them more than we ever have and it's not helping, is it?

What makes you think it's "not helping"?

[Yevrah]

What makes you think it's "not helping"?

The numbers on self harm and suicide are through the roof.

[Giggles]

Why do you care if other people celebrate her? Are you jealous or what?

And likewise, are you her Ma or something?

[Yevrah]

The numbers on self harm and suicide are through the roof.

With the irony being that the internet, while being full of messages about talking about mental health is actually a huge cause of loads of the problems.

It's utterly fucked and makes me angry when I think about it.

[Pepe]

You sound like one of those bitter old homophobes.

It's UNNATURAL. Disgusting. And they've got rainbow flags up in facking McDonald's like we should be saluting them?! WELL I'M NOT DOING IT! *kicks BigMac at a short-haired woman*

And you are sounding more and more like a fucking moron.


Why do you care if other people celebrate her? Are you jealous or what?

I explained it earlier. I think that resilience is a positive trait. I think that fragility isn't. A world that encourages resilience will get more resilient people. A world that encourages fragility will get more fragile people. I would prefer to live in a world with more resilient people.

but you are conflating fragility with mental health blablabla!

Whatever.

[randomlegend]

No, I just possibly have some insight into what she might be going through.

[randomlegend]

but you are conflating fragility with mental health blablabla!

Whatever.

Yes. You are. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going LA LA LA like you always do doesn't make you right.

[Dave.]

The numbers on self harm and suicide are through the roof.

This does not prove your point in any way. Try again.

[Yevrah]

This does not prove your point in any way. Try again.

I mean, it does. Manifestly so.

[Manc]

How does Biles figure in the Larry Nassar tale? From the Netflix documentary anyone who taddled essentially had thier careers ended. Was she too good to throw under the bus or was he not a fan of chocolate?

[Dave.]

I mean, it does. Manifestly so.

Provide us with some graphs or statistics and we'll proceed from there.

[Yevrah]

And if you need more Dave. 'Kids' spend more time on social media than anyone, social media is full of things telling people to talk about their mental health, yet self harm rates in kids are through the roof.

[Yevrah]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/16/self-harm-among-young-children-in-uk-doubles-in-six-years

[Yevrah]

https://www.nicswell.co.uk/health-news/worrying-rise-in-reports-of-self-harm-among-teenage-girls-in-uk#:~:text=%22Steep%20rise%20in%20self%2Dharm,and% 2012.3%20per%2010%2C000%20boys.

[randomlegend]

And if you need more Dave. 'Kids' spend more time on social media than anyone, social media is full of things telling people to talk about their mental health, yet self harm rates in kids are through the roof.

Social media is also full of other things, like communities of kids advocating self-harm and sharing photos.

[Dave.]

And if you need more Dave. 'Kids' spend more time on social media than anyone, social media is full of things telling people to talk about their mental health, yet self harm rates in kids are through the roof.

And social media is also full of stuff telling kids to self harm and kill themselves.

[Spikey M]

Provide us with some graphs or statistics and we'll proceed from there.

https://time.com/5572394/suicide-contagion-study/

Suicide rather than self-harm, but the idea isn't without merit.

[Yevrah]

I don't know why you need me to provide anything, everywhere you look backs this up. Did you genuinely think they were going down?

[Yevrah]

And social media is also full of stuff telling kids to self harm and kill themselves.

Nowhere near as much as you can't put that sort of stuff on Facebook and expect it to be there for long. I can leave a 'positive' mental health meme up forever.

[randomlegend]

I don't know why you need me to provide anything, everywhere you look backs this up. Did you genuinely think they were going down?

That's not the point. You're implying that campaigns trying to take the stigma away from mental health either don't help or make it worse just because the numbers are going up. Correlation =/= causation. Things may be far worse without those campaigns. I accept they may not, but what you are providing isn't evidence.

[Pepe]

'Having conversations' seems to be the suggested solution for most things these days.

[Dave.]

I don't know why you need me to provide anything, everywhere you look backs this up. Did you genuinely think they were going down?

No. I'm a lazy bastard and wanted some sort of timeframe to it all.

[Dave.]

That's not the point. You're implying that campaigns trying to take the stigma away from mental health either don't help or make it worse just because the numbers are going up. Correlation =/= causation. Things may be far worse without those campaigns. I accept they may not, but what you are providing isn't evidence.

100% this.

[randomlegend]

Nowhere near as much as you can't put that sort of stuff on Facebook and expect it to be there for long. I can leave a 'positive' mental health meme up forever.

Nah you are completely wrong. It's extremely easy to find your way into communities advocating self-harm, suicide, eating disorders, etc etc etc. if you are any way inclined to having thoughts/feelings about such things. Just because they aren't posted on open facebook pages/groups doesn't mean they aren't there. It's absolutely rife, particularly among teenage girls.

[Dave.]

Nowhere near as much as you can't put that sort of stuff on Facebook and expect it to be there for long. I can leave a 'positive' mental health meme up forever.

The point is not how long a post stays on a social media website but how long it stays in the mind of a vulnerable person with mental health problems.

[Yevrah]

That's not the point. You're implying that campaigns trying to take the stigma away from mental health either don't help or make it worse just because the numbers are going up. Correlation =/= causation. Things may be far worse without those campaigns. I accept they may not, but what you are providing isn't evidence.

If these campaigns were actually working do you not think the numbers would be going down? And if it would be far worse than the shocking state it's already in without these campaigns (and they are therefore working), what as yet unidentified cause is driving that?

[Yevrah]

Nah you are completely wrong. It's extremely easy to find your way into communities advocating self-harm, suicide, eating disorders, etc etc etc. if you are any way inclined to having thoughts/feelings about such things. Just because they aren't posted on open facebook pages/groups doesn't mean they aren't there. It's absolutely rife, particularly among teenage girls.

So if we know this stuff is readily available and widerife, why the hell is it still there and why are we not focusing on getting rid of it instead of posting useless memes?

[Yevrah]

Do we need it to be there so we have a reason to post the memes?

[Spikey M]

Social Media seems to be a key contributer to absolutely every negative in the world at the moment and I've no hesitation in believing it is with Mental Health problems too.

It's probably far more complex than that though.

[randomlegend]

If these campaigns were actually working do you not think the numbers would be going down?

Not necessarily, not if there are equally/more influential negative forces acting against it.


And if it would be far worse than the shocking state it's already in without these campaigns (and they are therefore working), what as yet unidentified cause is driving that?

I'd imagine it's a combination of lots of things. Social media possibly amongst them. There are plenty of reasons postulated, but I'm sure nobody could give you a comprehensive and definitive answer. That doesn't mean there isn't an answer.

[Dave.]

So if we know this stuff is readily available and widerife, why the hell is it still there and why are we not focusing on getting rid of it instead of posting useless memes?

Useless memes on the Internet might not help but a high profile celebrity talking about her mental health has a much better chance of doing so.

[randomlegend]

So if we know this stuff is readily available and widerife, why the hell is it still there and why are we not focusing on getting rid of it instead of posting useless memes?

If this forum were dedicated to promoting self-harm do you think anyone external would be policing it?

It "hides" in the just-under-the-surface places like forums, invite-only groups on social media, stuff going round on snapchat etc. etc. But if you want to find it it's very easy. All the kids we get in with eating disorders are deep into it.

[Lewis]

I don't know. Demi Lovato just sounds like more and more of a stupid cunt every time she does.

[Giggles]

I don't know. Demi Lovato just sounds like more and more of a stupid cunt every time she does.

It.

[Yevrah]

If this forum were dedicated to promoting self-harm do you think anyone external would be policing it?

It "hides" in the just-under-the-surface places like forums, invite-only groups on social media, stuff going round on snapchat etc. etc. But if you want to find it it's very easy. All the kids we get in with eating disorders are deep into it.

The bolded bit is absolutely key and seems to play into the hands of something that is plaguing modern society, which is that rather than go to the source of the problem we either frig about the edges or do something else.

And mental health seems rife for this. Stressed at work? Are you exercising or eating well enough at home.

It's absolutely bonkers and I can only assume it's being done because people either don't want to address the root causes (less stressful working environments) or don't want to lose the cottage industry that comes from doing something else (memes).

[Shindig]

Useless memes on the Internet might not help but a high profile celebrity talking about her mental health has a much better chance of doing so.

I agree on this. There's a greater visibility on it when Osaka or Biles speak about it. And that feeds back into social media channels.

Going back to what Pepe said about resilience, I can't imagine how hard it is to fashion a generation like that. I think watching my boomer parents probably did me a few favours. They've been dealt some shit and persevered. So should I. Especially when you're young and every new thing feels like the most important/terrifying thing ever. Growing up is scary until it isn't.

[randomlegend]

The bolded bit is absolutely key and seems to play into the hands of something that is plaguing modern society, which is that rather than go to the source of the problem we either frig about the edges or do something else.

And mental health seems rife for this. Stressed at work? Are you exercising or eating well enough at home.

It's absolutely bonkers and I can only assume it's being done because people either don't want to address the root causes (less stressful working environments) or don't want to lose the cottage industry that comes from doing something else (memes).

I don't really get what point you're making there and how it relates to what I've said.

[randomlegend]

Going back to what Pepe said about resilience, I can't imagine how hard it is to fashion a generation like that. I think watching my boomer parents probably did me a few favours. They've been dealt some shit and persevered. So should I. Especially when you're young and every new thing feels like the most important/terrifying thing ever. Growing up is scary until it isn't.

I think it's much more likely there's been a fundamental change in the kind of pressures young people are presented with and how damaging they are than that people have suddenly become massively less resilient in the space of two generations. Humans don't change that much that quickly.

[Yevrah]

I don't really get what point you're making there and how it relates to what I've said.

I said I think MHA on social media isn't helping
You said it might be and the self harm stuff is the problem
I said well get rid of that then
You said it's very easy to find
I said (again) why the hell is it still there then?

[Yevrah]

i.e. If it's very easy for an impressionable child to find, it must be very easy for a social media giant to find and remove.

We let those fuckers get away with murder by the way.

[randomlegend]

I said I think MHA on social media isn't helping
You said it might be and the self harm stuff is the problem
I said well get rid of that then
You said it's very easy to find
I said (again) why the hell is it still there then?

Just because you know something is there doesn't mean it's easy to get rid of.

Why is there any child porn on the internet? JUST REMOVE IT.

[randomlegend]

i.e. If it's very easy for an impressionable child to find, it must be very easy for a social media giant to find and remove.


No, not necessarily. If a group of kids in a school are all self-harming it's very easy for them to start snap-chatting each other the photos or to form a closed group on some social media platform and discuss it. That doesn't mean it's easy to find and shut down all such groups among the, what, hundreds of millions of groups which exist.

In the case of snap-chat, are you going to start manually screening all photos which are sent out before allowing them through? Because once they've been seen the damage is done.

[Yevrah]

Just because you know something is there doesn't mean it's easy to get rid of.

Why is there any child porn on the internet? JUST REMOVE IT.

Child porn isn't on Facebook ffs.

[randomlegend]

Child porn isn't on Facebook ffs.

Not openly on people's walls, but it absolute will be. And it will be being shared all over snapchat and whatsapp and instagram and presumably whatever tiktok is as well.

[Shindig]

Yeah, all those platforms the young'ns use. They're not on facebook. Their parents will see them.

[Yevrah]

In the case of snap-chat, are you going to start manually screening all photos which are sent out before allowing them through? Because once they've been seen the damage is done.

I'm not going to do anything, I don't work for snap-chat, but snap-chat absolutely should. I don't know why people apologise for them and other social media outlets all of the time. They're businesses and businesses have responsibilities and one of those should not be allowing self harm shit on their platforms.

[randomlegend]

I'm not going to do anything, I don't work for snap-chat, but snap-chat absolutely should. I don't know why people apologise for them and other social media outlets all of the time. They're businesses and businesses have responsibilities and one of those should not be allowing self harm shit on their platforms.

Well then all social media platforms will cease to exist in any remotely recognisable form. It is simply not feasible to monitor the sheer volume of stuff posted by many orders of magnitude. Then you are into the realms of using AI to recognise and flag it, which comes with all it's own problems. I'm sure you'd also run into a whole host of issues around censorship and freedom of expression if you started saying you were going to review all content before allowing it to be posted.

You might say "good, get rid of social media" which is a perfectly reasonable position to take. But it's not going to happen.

I'm not apologising for them, just recognising the reality.

[Lewis]

It's feasible to monitor a lot more stuff than they do, but for some reason people don't expect Facebook to have to hire ten times as many moderators because I don't know they don't make enough money.

[phonics]

Yevrah had a breakdown and tried to start a breakaway invite only forum within TTH because a couple of people said writing a sitcom was hard but Simone Biles, super human multi -gold wining gymnast and sexual abuse victim needs to shut the fuck up and know her place the daft bitch.

Fuck off Yev. Really disappointed tbh.

edit: Will freely admit I might be lumping you in with the actual cunts like Pepe and Lewis here but I'm mad so thems the breaks. I just expect better. My bad if I got the wrong end of the stick.

[Shindig]

The biggest obstacle in social media moderation is the fact every cunt has an account. You can't staff enough to moderate millions of people.

[Spikey M]

The whole thing could be automated pretty well, there's just no money in developing a system to do so.

[Lewis]

phonics if we can use the TTH kitty would you be open to taking some reading lessons?

[phonics]

Automation is the worst thing that could ever happen to moderation.

[phonics]

phonics if we can use the TTH kitty would you be open to taking some reading lessons?

Can we buy you a bit of humanity with the left over change or is 'mega cunt' your permanent setting these days?

[Shindig]

You need a human safety net to establish context which ... let's be honest, is difficult to establish on written posts.

[7om]

Very pleased for Tom Dean and Duncan Scott in the 200m freestyle. Great job lads.

[Lewis]

Can we buy you a bit of humanity with the left over change or is 'mega cunt' your permanent setting these days?

I'm not expecting any change but why not.

[Spikey M]

Very pleased for Tom Dean and Duncan Scott in the 200m freestyle. Great job lads.

Take it to the golf thread.
Kikó ./

[Pepe]

I think you mean the Mental Health thread.

[Spikey M]

I think you mean the Mental Health thread.

We need to repurpose the golf thread as the off topic thread because golf is shit.

[randomlegend]

Things like whatsapp groups are simply impossible to moderate. It's end-to-end encrypted so they can't view your messages even if they wanted to and if they ever got rid of that in the interests of moderating what people message it would be dead within 10 minutes and replaced by the next encrypted messaging app.

[Pepe]

We need to repurpose the golf thread as the off topic thread because golf is shit.

I've heard it can be good for your mental health. :henn0rz:

[Kikó]

Very pleased for Tom Dean and Duncan Scott in the 200m freestyle. Great job lads.

Save this shit for the covid thread.

[7om]

Take it to the golf thread.
Kikó ./

Karriss Artingstall has looked fantastic in the boxing. I think she can go all the way. #teamgb

[Kikó]

Take it to the golf thread.
Kikó ./

Oh too late.

[Yevrah]

Yevrah had a breakdown and tried to start a breakaway invite only forum within TTH because a couple of people said writing a sitcom was hard but Simone Biles, super human multi -gold wining gymnast and sexual abuse victim needs to shut the fuck up and know her place the daft bitch.

Fuck off Yev. Really disappointed tbh.

edit: Will freely admit I might be lumping you in with the actual cunts like Pepe and Lewis here but I'm mad so thems the breaks. I just expect better. My bad if I got the wrong end of the stick.

1. I didn't have a breakdown
2. That wasn't why I suggested a sub-forum
3. I didn't say anything like that about Biles, what fucking planet are you on? Show me this instant where I did or retract it immediately
4. Does no one read anything properly any more?

[Yevrah]

Well then all social media platforms will cease to exist in any remotely recognisable form. It is simply not feasible to monitor the sheer volume of stuff posted by many orders of magnitude. Then you are into the realms of using AI to recognise and flag it, which comes with all it's own problems. I'm sure you'd also run into a whole host of issues around censorship and freedom of expression if you started saying you were going to review all content before allowing it to be posted.

You might say "good, get rid of social media" which is a perfectly reasonable position to take. But it's not going to happen.

I'm not apologising for them, just recognising the reality.

You're apologising for them, which really isn't on. It's their duty to keep their platforms free from harming their user base, they manifestly don't do that and if they can't start to then they shouldn't be allowed to operate as they do.

[Yevrah]

It's feasible to monitor a lot more stuff than they do, but for some reason people don't expect Facebook to have to hire ten times as many moderators because I don't know they don't make enough money.

It's madness.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-46105934


A key issue that civil society groups focus on is Facebook’s lack of Burmese-speaking content moderators. In early 2015, there were just two of them.

BUT IT'S FINE. CAN'T POLICE TEH EVERYTHING

[Shindig]

Mate, consolidate your posts. You'll give Mahow something to worry about. This is peak unemployment Shindig levels of post boosting. You don't want that life.

[Yevrah]

And finally, "it's difficult to do anything" should never ever be a reason to let bad things happen.

These companies are worth Billions, they have it in their gift to find a solution.

[Yevrah]

Mate, consolidate your posts. You'll give Mahow something to worry about. This is peak unemployment Shindig levels of post boosting. You don't want that life.

I've never done multi-quote shit offs and I'm not starting now.

[Shindig]

In that case you should be aware me and you had the same post count at the weekend.

[Spikey M]

:D

[randomlegend]

You're apologising for them, which really isn't on. It's their duty to keep their platforms free from harming their user base, they manifestly don't do that and if they can't start to then they shouldn't be allowed to operate as they do.

Again, I'm not. But the reality is things like facebook are simply too big with too much content being posted to moderate effectively, and nobody is going to shut them down. It's wrong, but it's the way it is.

And again, things like whatsapp cannot be moderated at all. It is impossible.

[Lofty]

Obviously Biles just needed the proper coaching:

1419939509911830530?s=19

[Yevrah]

Again, I'm not. But the reality is things like facebook are simply too big with too much content being posted to moderate effectively, and nobody is going to shut them down. It's wrong, but it's the way it is.

And again, things like whatsapp cannot be moderated at all. It is impossible.

Well then we're never going to stop self harm, no matter how many memes we post.

[Giggles]

Well then we're never going to stop self harm, no matter how many memes we post.

Maybe if you liked and shared and tagged your first five @‘s things would be different.

[randomlegend]

Well then we're never going to stop self harm, no matter how many memes we post.

Obviously we're never going to "stop" self-harm. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do the positive things we can do.

If I had the attitude that there's no point trying to do any good if there's other things fucking it up which I can't fix then I'd have to quit my job tomorrow.

[Yevrah]

In that case you should be aware me and you had the same post count at the weekend.

Oh no, the internet might run out of space! And what are you doing looking at post counts?

[Lewis]

And do what for money chocolate boy?

[Lewis]

3. I didn't say anything like that about Biles, what fucking planet are you on? Show me this instant where I did or retract it immediately

It's been forty minutes. I'd give it until the hour and offer him out properly.

[randomlegend]

I'd have Romano's crown within 6 months.

[Queenslander]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CR3s5gMCuyz/?utm_medium=copy_link

Fiji rules!

[Queenslander]

The entire Aussie track and field team has been forced into lockdown because of COVid

Uh oh

[Ian]

"Show me this instant where I did or retract it immediately"

:D

Fucking hell.

[neo_hippy]

Isn't the whole media wankfest over her pulling out basically about how it's still much harder to admit any mental health problem then any physical health problem?

The stigma over being for example "stressed" far outweighs the stigma over having a broken ankle. And it shouldn't.

No one would give a shit if she'd landed funny and twisted a knee meaning she couldn't perform anymore. But whatever is wrong with her mentally right now is just as debilitating to her performance but some people are unwilling to accept that.

[Yevrah]

"Show me this instant where I did or retract it immediately"

:D

Fucking hell.

It's important to be firm about these things as being mis-represented is not cool. He still hasn't shown me where I said that.

[Yevrah]

Right guys, with the big day less than 5 days away now I think it's important to profile the competitors for the Women's 87KG+ on Monday 2nd August.

This is the entire field:

https://i.postimg.cc/28r815gR/Field.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

And here are the odds to win gold.

https://i.postimg.cc/7YftM3Fg/Odds.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

So a runaway favourite for Gold and a runaway favourite for Silver.

[Kikó]

Li Wenwen is one big mother fucker.

[7om]

Massive bottle job from the women in the rugby sevens. Winning 21-0 and concede 26 points in a row to lose.

[Yevrah]

Li Wenwen is one big mother fucker.

She is indeed. My profile of each will include pen pics, a biography, vital statistics and an assessment of whether they should be competing in this category at this Olympics. It's gonna be red hot takes all of the way.

[Yevrah]

Looking at those odds some might say that the inclusion of Hubbard is going to screw GB out of a bronze medal. What do I say? Well, you'll have to wait.

[7om]

Why are you so interested in that one event, Yev?

[Yevrah]

Why are you so interested in that one event, Yev?

I think a field with a clear favourite for gold, a clear favourite for silver and a tussle for bronze could lead to an excellent spectacle on the day.

[Dave.]

Sorry to go off topic but the Rugby Sevens has been the best sport at this Olympics. :thbup:

[Manc]

Michaela Blyde the most obvious PED abuser I've seen in some time.

[Yevrah]

We start with the Guatemalan, Scarleth Ucelo, which for my money is a brilliant name. That's the only place my money will be going though as at she's one of the joint rank outsiders at 100/1.

https://i.postimg.cc/dVkYwNjS/scarleth-ucelo-clasifica-juegos-olimpicos-de-tokio-publinews.png (https://postimg.cc/tsjfz5fh)

She's 21 and finished 5th in the 2019 Pan American games at the same weight she'll be competing at here. The internet doesn't seem to have her height and weight anywhere, so that'll have to stay as unknown until the tournament starts. She does have an 85kg best for the snatch and a 120kg best for the clean and jerk, which I believe makes her Guatemala's best ever.

And here's a snap in her civvies. Possibly sexist to include but the Facebook page that seemingly broke the news she was competing did, so I will too.

https://i.postimg.cc/Pf39JzJG/218258496-1974952899342440-1817340794504924706-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://www.facebook.com/lavozdejalapa/posts/1974952936009103/

Best of luck Scarleth.

[Yevrah]

Next we head to Mongolia and Erdenebat Bilegsaikhan, whose name I had to switch screens three times as I was typing it into Google to get it right. Irritating. Still, what's even harder to do is find a picture of her in action. I couldn't, so we'll have to go with this prison style mugshot.

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf1dv13v/1414762.jpg (https://postimages.org/)[/url]

I feel Mongolian weightlifting could do with a public relations department.

No weight and height again, but her best is 95kg for the Snatch and 115kg for the Clean and Jerk, which she achieved in Pattaya in 2019.

As a child she trained as a contortionist. "I'm probably the most flexible weightlifter. Flexibility is very important in weightlifting. Contortion has been a big part of my success."

Was just about to wrap another 100/1 outsider post up and then I found her Facebook page, so here she is with some weights.

https://i.postimg.cc/sDqsbRCN/138603579-3411829302278862-6302754309720641435-n.jpg (https://banks-nearme.com/)

Seems she's a Man Utd or Robin van Persie fan. I'll let you decide which one she likes more with this picture from her Facebook page.


[url=https://postimg.cc/wyKKNphk]https://i.postimg.cc/d13JzQ3g/1523830-598836460244841-7905958486193178749-o.jpg (https://banks-nearme.com/53-fifth-third-bank-near-me)


Good luck Erdenebat.

[Ian]

Was not expecting Yev to go full Uto-at-Eurovision for womens weightlifting.

[Manc]

Are you due on Mastermind?

[7om]

So you can write profiles of Mongolian weightlifters but can’t do a WDYTOE? Disgusting.

[Yevrah]

Comprehensive is the word you're looking for Ian.

What is already saddening me about this (and I didn't realise it would so quickly) is that I'm only two competitors down and it's already clear to see how much they've put into this and how much they care. It's their lifelong dream that (in the case of Erdenbat at least they've practised 6 hours a day for, for years) and... well, I don't want to spoil the hot takes too early.

[-james-]

:yawn:

[Yevrah]

:yawn:

You won't be saying that when the event starts James, there may be a load of rank outsiders who've never lifted close to a weight that'll be enough to win gold, but just because they haven't doesn't mean they can't.

[Ian]

So you can write profiles of Mongolian weightlifters but can’t do a WDYTOE? Disgusting.

:D

[Boydy]

Do they all have big snatches?

[Spikey M]

:D

[randomlegend]

Next we head to Mongolia and Erdenebat Bilegsaikhan, whose name I had to switch screens three times as I was typing it into Google to get it right. Irritating. Still, what's even harder to do is find a picture of her in action. I couldn't, so we'll have to go with this prison style mugshot.

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf1dv13v/1414762.jpg (https://postimages.org/)[/url]

I feel Mongolian weightlifting could do with a public relations department.

No weight and height again, but her best is 95kg for the Snatch and 115kg for the Clean and Jerk, which she achieved in Pattaya in 2019.

As a child she trained as a contortionist. "I'm probably the most flexible weightlifter. Flexibility is very important in weightlifting. Contortion has been a big part of my success."

Was just about to wrap another 100/1 outsider post up and then I found her Facebook page, so here she is with some weights.

https://i.postimg.cc/sDqsbRCN/138603579-3411829302278862-6302754309720641435-n.jpg (https://banks-nearme.com/)

Seems she's a Man Utd or Robin van Persie fan. I'll let you decide which one she likes more with this picture from her Facebook page.


[url=https://postimg.cc/wyKKNphk]https://i.postimg.cc/d13JzQ3g/1523830-598836460244841-7905958486193178749-o.jpg (https://banks-nearme.com/53-fifth-third-bank-near-me)


Good luck Erdenebat.

You are, with all due respect, completely insane.

[Lewis]

If the man doesn't win the weightlifting they will just claim it as proof that they don't have any advantages, so they win either way.

[Yevrah]

You are, with all due respect, completely insane.

Again, you don't have the emotional intelligence to get my posts. You can't do it. You're incapable.

[Yevrah]

And it dawned on me this morning, if I have gone insane (I haven't) or I had a breakdown (I didn't), I did bloody well to manage all that without a single day off work.

But by all means, you morons keep moroning.

[Manc]

Can we not.

[Yevrah]

Can we not.

I really don't want to, but if the morons are going to keep moroning what choice do I have. I'm also far quicker than almost anyone on here at posting so it really isn't much bother to me.

[Boydy]

And the gold medal for posting goes to...

[Yevrah]

And the gold medal for posting goes to...

I'd like to thank...well no one actually. It's all on me.

[Lofty]

Genuinely surprised Hubbard isn't nailed on for gold.

[Boydy]

I'd like to thank...well no one actually. It's all on me.

I think Jack deserves a mention.

[Yevrah]

Genuinely surprised Hubbard isn't nailed on for gold.

I don't wish to dead name (odd phrase that when you think about it) her so let's just say that in a former life she, by male professional standards, was a pretty average at best weightlifter.

[Yevrah]

I think Jack deserves a mention.

Yeah, that was remiss of me. There's always one you forget. I'll buy him a pint.

[Dave.]

And it dawned on me this morning, if I have gone insane (I haven't) or I had a breakdown (I didn't), I did bloody well to manage all that without a single day off work.

But by all means, you morons keep moroning.

You've made the classic mistake of comparing your own situation to that of others, which is completely the wrong approach to mental health. Everyone is different.

[Yevrah]

You've made the classic mistake of comparing your own situation to that of others, which is completely the wrong approach to mental health. Everyone is different.

How am I comparing myself to anyone else with that post? I've no clue what others have gone through and wouldn't even presume to know.

[Shindig]

That Mongolian's acne should be raising alarm bells for WADA. I'm also going to assume Yev has posters of these lasses on his wall.

[Yevrah]

That Mongolian's acne should be raising alarm bells for WADA. I'm also going to assume Yev has posters of these lasses on his wall.

I haven't, but I do need some artwork and that is an excellent idea.

[Dave.]

How am I comparing myself to anyone else with that post? I've no clue what others have gone through and wouldn't even presume to know.

Fair enough.

[Baz]

Genuinely surprised Hubbard isn't nailed on for gold.
I’ve £100 on her at 3/1

[Shindig]

And if her arm snaps again, it'll make for good viewing.

[Dave.]

I’ve £100 on her at 3/1

*him.

[-james-]

Hubbard doesn't stand a chance against Wenwen.

[Kikó]

The porn no one asked for.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I’ve £100 on her at 3/1

Flushing money down the toilet.

[Yevrah]

Yep. If anything I think she'll do worse than expected rather than better.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I don't have her medalling.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

She'll push too hard chasing gold and crash.

[Manc]

I don't have her medalling.

Bulletproof.

[Kikó]

1420807125379555334?s=19

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bulletproof.
Wenwen, Robles, Campbell.

In that order.

[Baz]

Flushing money down the toilet.

Maybe. I’ve also bet on Jordyn Barratt to win gold at 33/1 just cos we’re IG mates.

[Pepe]

*him.

My mans telling people to be sensitive about 'mental health' and now he is just calling a transgender woman him. :D

You know they all have massive mental issues, right? Maybe you should be more sensitive mate.

[Dave.]

My mans telling people to be sensitive about 'mental health' and now he is just calling a transgender woman him. :D

You know they all have massive mental issues, right? Maybe you should be more sensitive mate.

I'm glad to have inadvertently proved my own point, making myself an hypocrite in the process.

Truth is that we all need to be careful with what we say (and that includes me).

[7om]

Pepe :cool:

[Pepe]

I'm glad to have inadvertently proved my own point, making myself an hypocrite in the process.

Truth is that we all need to be careful with what we say (and that includes me).

Fair enough. :thbup:

[Manc]

Alex Scott is without a doubt the worst presenter of all time. FF is going to be unbearable.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Wrong thread.

[Manc]

Nope.

[Baz]

Alex Scott is without a doubt the worst presenter of all time. FF is going to be unbearable.

What is FF?

[Giggles]

Football Focus?

[Giggles]

Though I wish it was Frantic Fingering. I’d watch that.

[Baz]

I’d series link that shit.

[Shindig]

Turns out it's about knitting on a time limit.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Rowing has been brutal this time round.

Only 1 silver and 1 bronze. First time since 1980 with no gold in the rowing.

[Luca]

The Canadians in the women’s 8 had a hell of a race. It looked like the Kiwis were storming up to catch them but they found a gear at the end that I didn’t think they had. Led wire to wire. :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Duncan Scott is brilliant. Such a shame he didn't nab the gold there but beating his PB by 0.7 seconds is massive.

[-james-]

Switched over from the Tennis semi with Djokovic a set and break up against Zverev. Zverev went on to win about 10 games in a row to win it. :cab:

[SvN]

Show me this instant where I did or retract it immediately

This might be one of my favourite posts of all time.

[Jimmy Floyd]

GB women's football have bottled the fuck out of this vs oztralia. Proper honking mental weakness seeping out like blood.

[Queenslander]

That Scottish sheila will be having nightmares after that penalty.

[-james-]

Enjoyed the 10,000 metre final there. The way the top Africans kick on and leave whitey in the dust with about 300 to go is just bonkers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They seem to be the only athletes who don't look suicidal when they win silver and bronze, too.

I noticed this trend in recent football finals of people ripping runner-up medals from their neck the second they receive them, it's a properly nasty trend.

[Yevrah]

They seem to be the only athletes who don't look suicidal when they win silver and bronze, too.

I noticed this trend in recent football finals of people ripping runner-up medals from their neck the second they receive them, it's a properly nasty trend.

Were England players doing it? I can't remember exactly what event it was when I saw it but assume it was the final of the Euros, either way it looked proper wrong.

[-james-]

Scott Carson doing it after City lost the Champions League final was all sorts of lol.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Were England players doing it? I can't remember exactly what event it was when I saw it but assume it was the final of the Euros, either way it looked proper wrong.

A lot of the England players did it after the Euro final (sorry, after their miserable failure in putting in only the 2nd best ever tournament performance for their nation), but I noticed pretty much every single Man U player doing it when they lost to Villarreal.

[Lewis]

I think it depends. If you get an Olympic silver then you ought to be happy with it (unless you should have won/some coward cost you the gold), but losing to Real Chorizo in a Europe League final leave your 'medal' on the bus you loser.

[-james-]

It's a weird groupthink thing. Brandon Williams isn't doing it if Luke Shaw isn't doing it if Pogba isn't doing it etc. Don't want to be the only loser stood there with a lame silver medal.

[Shindig]

An email went round at work today about a couple of French blokes that won gold in Tokyo. That must go a long way into the glee over any medal. Footballers are set for life at a certain level. If you're rowing, shooting or whatever you've still got a day job.

[Queenslander]

https://i.ibb.co/g7NK4m7/FB-IMG-1627713506078.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Jimmy Floyd]

The golf is actually really nicely poised for tomorrow. Any of about 10 could win gold.

[Giggles]

Is the golf a team or individual thing?

[Giggles]

Actually even if it is a team thing I still hope the little orange cunt doesn’t get anywhere near it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Individual, it's just a normal tournament. Also I'm pretty sure he's one of your lot at heart. And a lovely man.

[Giggles]

He’s always said he’s more British than Irish. I’ve no problem with that, he’s from the UK, but play for them then.

I’d seen reference to an Irish golf ‘team’. That’s why I was unsure of the format.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There's him and Lowry playing for Ireland, who would have practised together etc, so it's a team of sorts. And presumably Leona Maguire in the women's.

A team event would probably be better actually.

[Giggles]

Maguire is a fabulous prospect.

[Manc]

GB becoming specialists in finishing 4th.

[Queenslander]

The Boomers winning 3 in a row is the highlight for me so far fingers crossed they go all the way.

[Manc]

Dina. :facepalm:

[Queenslander]

The Matildas v Team GB drew 2.24 million viewers. :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

lol at Dominican Republic beating USA at the line for silver in the mixed 4 x 400m relay.

Poland winning it with an Olympic record :cool:

Also, the weightlifting has been banging today. Guy fucks his knee up on his second lift but comes back out almost immediately and lifts enough to secure himself a bronze medal.

A Venezuelan lad lifts big to secure himself silver at the worst but two of the judges say no lift but he and his coaches are celebrating too much to see and thus don't get a challenge in. The jury steps in and decides to review it themselves but they don't give it to him. Harsh really as I thought it was a good lift, there was movement in his wrists but his elbows were locked.

Qatari guy wins gold with his first lift in the clean and jerk because he slapped everyone in the snatch and then decides to lift enough to take the Olympic record on his second lift. He did attempt a world record with his third lift but he wasn't close sadly.

[Luca]

https://i.ibb.co/g7NK4m7/FB-IMG-1627713506078.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Have they started teaching bogans to golf in some sort of government-led community outreach program?

[niko_cee]

Golf is a noun.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Golf is above the usual grammar laws.

It is a lexical God.

[-james-]

Thought it was funny how the three Jamaican women's 100m medalists clearly hate each other. Barely a word of congrats or even acknowledgement of each other immediately post race.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think Jackson and Fraser-Pryce like each other as they were next to each other constantly after the race but there's clearly tension with Thompson-Herah.

They just went over to her about a minute after tapped her on the back and walked off.

[Luca]

Golf is a noun.

Soz Jim.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Also it's getting spicy in the rowing world.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9846933/Tokyo-2020-James-Cracknell-blasts-Team-GB-rowing-amid-culture-war-row-saw-Jurgen-Grobler-quit.html

Cracknell has gone in on the current crop by saying there are no leaders on the regatta and some of them have said that he and some other former winners are too smug.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/olympics/team-gb-rowing-results-why-bad-jurgen-grobler-worst-olympic-games-1129043

You've also got one rower piling in on the former coach (who has coached rowers to at least a medal at every Olympics from 1972-2016 bar 1984 due to boycotts):

Bugajski said: “I’m going to be brave and say something the crew don’t want me to say. I popped a bottle of champagne when Jurgen retired. I had three very dark years under him.

“I will admit (Jurgen) is a good coach to some people but there were people that he seemed to take a disliking to and what he did to them was destroy them, destroy their soul, destroy everything.”

And other rowers have fired back at him saying there was nothing wrong with the coaching.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I know a fair bit about the rowing world (my brother raced for GB at the junior worlds) and I can tell you it's chock full of absolute psychopaths. Not winning medals and being roundly mocked/hated (for their funding level vs more accessible sports) will turn them into spitting cobras in a nest.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Just read about Djokovic. Surely he should be thrown out of the sport or something. Vile man.

[Baz]

That 2 man, 2 women triathlon relay event was class.

As was Jonny Brownlee's 'olympics? completed it' comment.

[Shindig]

Just read about Djokovic. Surely he should be thrown out of the sport or something. Vile man.

Probably does it all the time in practice as well.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I was more referring to pulling out of the doubles because he was having a massive sulk about losing in the singles.

[Shindig]

Given that his sulks involve chucking racquets, good call.

[Queenslander]

Have they started teaching bogans to golf in some sort of government-led community outreach program?

He is from Brisbane so it is fair to assume he is a bogan, however Banter haircuts are all the rage in pro sports at the moment unfortunately. The AFL is chock full of them ATm.

[-james-]

Djokovic must be one of the most dislikeable sportsmen of recent years. Does anybody like him?

[mugbull]

Djokovic must be one of the most dislikeable sportsmen of recent years. Does anybody like him?

Djokovic is great. Proper Slav mentality. He's definitely a magic crystals / astrology idiot but he's actually the best player of all time

[Luca]

He is from Brisbane so it is fair to assume he is a bogan, however Banter haircuts are all the rage in pro sports at the moment unfortunately. The AFL is chock full of them ATm.

My assumption is that everyone playing in the AFL is a bogan, so this tracks.

[Boydy]

Beach volleyball on now :drool:

[Queenslander]

My assumption is that everyone playing in the AFL is a bogan, so this tracks.

You're not fair off.

Our 100m sprinter is also donning one as well.

https://i.ibb.co/4S43FFh/3aec51196bb380fb19c16d11bcf04f24.jpg (https://ibb.co/B6TFff0)

He beat Yohan Blake in his heat. :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Blake has been shit for years now.

[Queenslander]

Blake has been shit for years now.

He is a white sprinter from Australia let us have our moment.

[Luca]

Rohan Browning looks far more Browning than Rohan.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He is a white sprinter from Australia let us have our moment.

Oh sorry, you said Yohan Blake. What a result, absolutely incredible.

I'm stunned.

[Queenslander]

Rohan Browning looks far more Browning than Rohan.

His mum probably collects crystals.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Charlotte Worthington winning a gold in the BMX freestyle with a 97.5 :drool:

American thought she had done it with a 96.1 and she tried to go big in her second run but fucked it early.

[Queenslander]

So many unexpected gold medals for Australia (more importantly from QLD) this Olympics. :cool:

Edit: First time Australia has won 4 gold medals in a day.

[Panda Bear]

can't fucking stand how many commercials there are during Olympic broadcasts.

[Queenslander]

Old mate who won gold in the BMX practiced in his backyard.

https://i.ibb.co/XVbmZm3/FB-IMG-1627789631820.jpg (https://ibb.co/rvmnGnc)

[Jimmy Floyd]

If Sabbatini wins an Olympic golf medal for Slovakia I will lol so hard. The most dogshit knobhead in the field and not even slightly Slovakian.