June: Boring, modern-day football to resume

[Ian]

Sadly we can't just live on 90s football nostalgia forever and we have to return to the modern game.

Some leagues have already resumed and in England we're getting the Premier League back from the 17th and the Championship on the 20th.

Honestly I haven't really missed football that much as it turns out. The lack of international tournament is far more of a loss to me than just binning football off until August would have been. Although some of my lack of enthusiasm for it being BACK might just be because crowdless sport is shit.

[thommo]

It's definitely down to the lack of crowds for me. I can't get too excited when each game feels like a glorified training session.

The whole act of a day out at the football, or watching an important late-season game with a big crowd is what I've missed a lot. It is going to feel fairly hollow finishing the season off without a crowd whatsoever, not that I disagree with getting the season fully completed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Haven't missed it at all, and don't really give a shit what happens in it until we're back onto at least a semi-normal calendar with crowds. If Chelsea win the FA Cup at an empty Wembley, is it a valid trophy? I don't think so.

If anything, the aspect of football I have missed the most has been getting to watch the morning Sunday league games in the park that my flat overlooks. Weird, but true.

[niko_cee]

Biggest question is how this is going to shake out in fantasy terms. At the moment it looks like you can completely re-select your team as if the season hadn't started yet ( I don't know when this changed as it was a normal transfer thing last time I looked but maybe going past gameweek 38 has changed that) and it seems there's going to be a double gameweek to start things off with those catch-up games.

[Baz]

I watched Gascoigne on Netflix last night. It spent about an hour on Italia 90 and then like 14 seconds on Euro 96. Lucky I’d already had my Euro 96 fix thanks to ITV!

He really is a national treasure. :)

[niko_cee]

Scratch that fantasy ruse, you can't make any changes to your team.

[Manc]

I've just looked at my team for the first time since the incident and was surprised to see Jack Stephens.

[Don]

Scratch that fantasy ruse, you can't make any changes to your team.

Was about to lose my shit at your initial update. All my planning and patience would have gone in the bin and preference given to those premature mongs. Not on my watch.

The value of that 2nd wildcard and chips being banked :drool:

[wullie]

I hope League One votes to end it now, if a global virus is going to stop our best season in forever it can at least do us the favour of not resuming and going on a huge losing streak.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Was this the one where you were going to break the spell of not finishing top 6 in any league since the Saxon invasion? Or did you do that in League Two?

[wullie]

We managed that in League 2 yeah, although we did our very best to get into the playoffs in 7th just to keep that run going.

[Spikey M]

I've been surprised by how little I've actually missed football.

[Disco]

It's easier to park near me every other Saturday, other than that I've barely noticed. The lack of football twats everywhere has been quite refreshing.

[mugbull]

I haven’t missed Tottenham, but I’ve definitely missed the sport

[Pleb]

Imagine if Corona was the cause for the MELTDOWN by Liverpool at the end of this season.

[Kikó]

I've missed playing a bit more recently than watching. I was enjoying united's europa run but that's pretty much dead now if you have no chance of going to a fixture. United are pretty much full strength which is a perk of the lockdown with the ghost of Pogba returning and Rashford back from injury.

but meh.

[Smjffy]

I look forward to watching some of it but I don't think the campaign will be completed.

[Baz]

Oh god that means Laporte’s back.

[Manc]

I look forward to watching some of it but I don't think the campaign will be completed.

Give it a rest.

[Max Power]

I do miss it, but I would say I miss going down there with my Dad, watching games with mates in the pub etc etc. A load of behind closed doors will scratch a bit of an itch - something to watch on the weekends - but until socialising is back to normal it won’t feel the same.

[Boydy]

La Liga will be free to watch during June

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/la-liga-games-to-be-broadcast-for-free-throughout-june-at-sky-sports-premier-sports-app-3473158

[niko_cee]

I'll just leave this here (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/52875059)

[Baz]

It’s only a matter of time before Liverpool fans are swarming somewhere - either for the match that mathematically wins the title, the last game of the season, or some kind of unofficial victory parade (probably all three) and the rest of the country hates us even more. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

In some cultures, taking a knee means 'friend' or 'pal'.

[Baz]

How about taking something in the knee?
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Zane_Goebel/publication/286921229/figure/fig6/AS:613879663050754@1523371725236/Skyrim-scene-Then-I-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee-See-http-knowyourmeme.png

[Spikey M]

I'll just leave this here (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/52875059)

How many of them wore that Suarez t-shirt?

[ScousePig]

We managed that in League 2 yeah, although we did our very best to get into the playoffs in 7th just to keep that run going.

There are all sorts of rumours going around, but I can't see any situation where you don't go up, barring the season actually resuming and you messing it up somehow. Rotherham is a bit different as it's a toss of a coin between about eight clubs as to who was second at the time, and it happened to be them.

I still think it'll be decoded on points per game after the majority vote on not restarting the season. It's not really fair, but what is?

The issue which might arise is someone like Wycombe voting to end the season, then jumping four places into the play offs, and then they get to play in the play offs. That's just wrong.

[Lofty]

It's all Keegan-esque but I think I might achieve an orgasm without any other stimulation if Liverpool somehow conspire to fuck this right up through a mix of rustiness, no home advantage and pressure from this position.

[Shindig]

Klopp's rant won't be as good.

[niko_cee]

It's all Keegan-esque but I think I might achieve an orgasm without any other stimulation if Liverpool somehow conspire to fuck this right up through a mix of rustiness, no home advantage and pressure from this position.

It's not going to happen, but it will be interesting to see how a fresh season develops under these circumstances. I would imagine City will be fairly formidable 'behind closed doors'. Especially with FFP going out the window as well.

[Baz]

I reckon Sterling will relish having no crowd.

[Shindig]

Unless the other players boo him.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That's a lovely header by Schick.

This has started well but it would be a shame if Jhon Cordoba has to go off which looks likely.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Lovely finish from Modeste there.

Edit: And one from Olmo.

[wullie]

There are all sorts of rumours going around, but I can't see any situation where you don't go up, barring the season actually resuming and you messing it up somehow.

This is my fear, we've only lost three games all season but have had long enough off now to completely forget all of that and revert to type. As unlikely as it may be I've come to expect the worst when there's the possibility of the best.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

A Frankfurt player just scored his first goal for the club with his first touch in this game just 14 seconds after coming on.

[Shindig]

Ah, the German Michael Chopra.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Austrian.

He followed it up with a second too.

[ScousePig]

Absolute farce from Sunderland's owners again with regards season ticket holders. If anyone has renewed or renews their season ticket for next season and the games only go ahead behind closed doors, they won't offer refunds. Rather, they'll offer a 'free' streaming service for home games. That's regardless of whether you've bought multiple season tickets for one household. No proportional refunds, incentives or anything. £20 a game for a shitty League One stream for me, and much more for many others.

They've also assured us that if we don't renew, our seats will remain reserved until further notice, and nobody will lose their loyalty points either. Whilst this is positive, in doing so they're actively discouraging people from renewing or buying season tickets.

[Spikey M]

A Spurs player has the Covids

[Don]

Please let it be our hero.

[Spikey M]

It's 'not a key player' apparently. Which I'm sure he's happy about. Whoever it is.

The Contact Tracers are probably trying to explain the situation to Aurier as we speak.

[Don]

This does raise a good point, I reckon I'm going to take the Sean Dyche Brexit Burnley path of selection for my fantasy team. Can't be risking it with the BAME lot.

[Pleb]

Anyone up for Bournemouth v Palace on the BBC?

[John Arne]

Hai Phong FC v Ho Chi Minh City FC kicks off in 17 minutes.

If we (HCMCFC) win, we go 5pts clear after only 3 games :drool:

[John Arne]

Phi Son :moop:

https://gyazo.com/1c4f9c63f8c8b8c6192208a5da66bee2.gif

[Ian]

He's massively overthought that.

[niko_cee]

Would have been amazing had it gone in off the guy on the ground's head (and then been ruled out for offside).

[Spikey M]

That's what I was expecting.

[Don]

Is this confirmed?

https://i.imgur.com/4NeD1sq.jpg

[Pleb]

BBC confirmed Bournemouth-Palace and Norwich-Everton.

[Kikó]

Same list as talksport.

Good to have football back.

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[Jimmy Floyd]

They are batshit mental (like all clubs' fans are at some stage), but where they have a point is in acknowledging the laughable sense of entitlement that the Bayerns and the yoovays and the Meelans of this world possess.

[Lewis]

'Ignore Racism', as if City won the lottery or something.

[Shindig]

UEFA should counter it with, "You weren't in Europe then."

[Don]

'Ignore Racism', as if City won the lottery or something.

:D

https://i.imgflip.com/i28da.jpg

The state of that rehash of the meme...

[niko_cee]

Wall-to-wall summer football like it's the world cup.

:drool:

I bet this mad fixture format sticks to an extent. I've always thought since seeing the Aussies do with with the NRL years ago that having every game at a different time (and therefore on tv) was a likely end state for our football. Fuck the match-goers and the joy of soccer saturday/5live sport etc.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I assume by 'end state' you mean literally. It'll completely put off everyone bar the duvet nest crowd. People like routine in their week, and this fucks it.

[Lewis]

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I love that freak.

[niko_cee]

I assume by 'end state' you mean literally. It'll completely put off everyone bar the duvet nest crowd. People like routine in their week, and this fucks it.

To an extent, although it will endure. People (fans) will rightly piss and moan, but they always bend over in the end.

You probably need to be from the ceefax generation to actually appreciate mass-Saturday 3pm kick-off days, which are fewer and farther between even now.

[Kikó]

wash is unhinged but brilliant.

If they start moving games across the weeks then I think you'll get a backlash. It'll kill any sort of atmosphere.

[Jimmy Floyd]

To an extent, although it will endure. People (fans) will rightly piss and moan, but they always bend over in the end.

You probably need to be from the ceefax generation to actually appreciate mass-Saturday 3pm kick-off days, which are fewer and farther between even now.

I am 98% sure it would decrease matchday crowds, and also put off the masses of precious casual fans who want an appointment to view rather than having to look up when a game is happening.

I can't think of anyone who would stand to benefit other than gamblers and gambling firms (and, therefore, match fixers).

[niko_cee]

I am 98% sure it would decrease matchday crowds, and also put off the masses of precious casual fans who want an appointment to view rather than having to look up when a game is happening.

I can't think of anyone who would stand to benefit other than gamblers and gambling firms (and, therefore, match fixers).

It doubt it would decrease matchday crowds at the big ticket locations, and (of course) they are all that really matter. Most 'big team' games aren't at a regular time anyway though, I suppose.

Don't see how it would impact on the casual tv viewer, or the fan of monday night football (in isolation), if such a thing exists. Those appointments to view would still exist, and be supplemented thricefold. Unless you mean casual match day attendee. Does such a thing exist in the premier league? Do people really want to throw £50 in the bin every week for something they're not all that interested in?

Div 1 down would obviously remain the same. It could be their USP.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This game has been turd.

Gladbach have been very wasteful although hopefully that Petersen goal (seconds after coming on) opens this game up.

Edit: It didn't. Easily the worst game I've watched since Football came back. Awful, awful game which on paper should have been great.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Havertz isn't even on the bench today.

[niko_cee]

Not at all suspicious.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Not at all suspicious.

Indeed.

"Muscular problems" isn't fooling anyone.

Apparently Madrid have bid £71m for him but leaving him in Leverkusen on loan next season.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think Hoddle has mispronounced every single players name and both team names.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Also, Hubner has just been sent off for Hoffenheim but tried to stay on the pitch.

[-james-]

I think Hoddle has mispronounced every single players name and both team names.

This, the piped in crowd noise and the picture being about three seconds out of sync make it surely the worst audio package to have ever been broadcast

[Don]

"Great finish by Muller."

Surley he's had another heart-attack.

"And there's another one" 5 seconds after they score :D get this off my TV ffs.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Leverkusen have collapsed.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

"Great finish by Muller."

Surley he's had another heart-attack.

"And there's another one" 5 seconds after they score :D get this off my TV ffs.

He claimed it was Muller twice before finally realising.

[John Arne]

Muller up to 20 assists for the season.

[Don]

What's the logic behind the 5 subs? Is it to ease the pressure on their COVID-ridden lungs or is it to just make sure as many BAMEs as possible get exposed to it? It's pretty shit and I wish Prem hadn't followed it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

RB Leipzig have just conceded an injury time equaliser to Paderborn :harold:

And then just missed an absolute sitter.

[Spikey M]

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Art.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What's the logic behind the 5 subs? Is it to ease the pressure on their COVID-ridden lungs or is it to just make sure as many BAMEs as possible get exposed to it? It's pretty shit and I wish Prem hadn't followed it.

They've said it's because players might be unfit heading back after the break and not having proper training in that time

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Art.

Stunning.

[Shindig]

Man, I feel bad now. Someone's upset him.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That's shocking from Sancho.

Probably fucked it up because I have money on him to score.

[Shindig]

Newcastle played a game against itself behind closed doors.

Newcastle 1-1 Newcastle

Joelinton scoring for the away kit in a very Joelinton fashion. Confidently striding towards the box before his shot was saved. A cross then came in and he bundled it in from 3 yards with very little idea of how it got there. At the other end, Bentaleb lashed home an cracking equaliser from range.

[Luca]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/manchester-united-renew-interest-in-ajax-midfielder-donny-van-de-beek-sd95dfcp6

Verweij reporting United are in for Donny van de Beek. Paging randomlegend.

[randomlegend]

It's a bit of a weird one, it comes across like a piece Ajax would get out there to get Real to stop faffing about but Verweij isn't usually into that sort of nonsense. According to the Dutchies he put out something very similar when Barca nabbed De Jong from under PSG's noses so maybe there's something in it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

These kits are far too similar.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ6BXKzXsAAuLJW?format=jpg&name=large

[Giggles]

Looks like a training session.

[Shindig]

I don't get how kit clashes like that happen.

[Pleb]

Wales-Slovakia from Euro 16 on BBC1 now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

David Wagner strikes again.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Lovely strike from Jonjoe Kenny.

[P_3]

Watching Benfica vs Tondela on a random freesat channel FreeSports. 0-0. :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Nubel has been great in this game.

Had Wagner not had the hump with him over signing for Bayern then they'd have won a few games in this period.

[phonics]

Saw the "highlights" from a friendly we played yesterday. If that's the level of football, I'm not sure it needs to come back.

[niko_cee]

Arsenal still as shit as they were before corona then?

[phonics]

Arsenal still as shit as they were before corona then?

Yep, luckily Charlton are equally shit. At one point Aubameyang is given a mile of space, falls over and it ends up in the top corner.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Glorious half-volley from Modeste.

[Kikó]

Watching Benfica vs Tondela on a random freesat channel FreeSports. 0-0. :cool:

They stoned the bus later that day and attached a few of the players houses. The no name boys acting like twats.

[ScousePig]

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/june/efl-statement-covid-19-test-results2/

In news that nobody else will care about (except the Coventry and Southend fans on here maybe), the EFL have confirmed that four clubs from League One have had their players and club staff tested, which can only mean that the season is going to be ended and the play offs will take place.

Wycombe (my new favourite club it seems) have voted to end the season, which will see them jump four places into the play offs, and then allow them to compete in the play offs. Quite how anyone with half a brain is allowing this to happen is anyone's guess. Truly baffling.

What makes it even more ironic is that Wycombe's game in hand was away to leaders Coventry, and Wycombe's away form was wretched. It sounds like Peterborough will be the team to miss out on the play offs rather than Portsmouth.

[Spoonsky]

Why would they jump up fo places?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The FA have always had a rank pro-Wycombe bias and now it shows.

[ScousePig]

You're not wrong. It's ridiculous how big clubs like Wycombe always benefit at little Sunderland's expense.


Why would they jump up fo places?

Points per game. It's ridiculously tight at the top and they're currently 9th but have a game or two in hand.

[Andy]

What's the fair way of doing it then? It's not anyone's fault they have games in hand.

[Mike]

As kids as all picked second lower league teams. I picked Wycombe, so I’d they somehow win the playoffs I’ll have to squeeze into one of my childhood shirts!
Up The Chairboys!!!

[niko_cee]

What's the fair way of doing it then? It's not anyone's fault they have games in hand.

Par league weighting.

[Shindig]

Play the games in hand, then do the league maths.

[Kikó]

Par league weighting.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fsmnxb AB.png&hash=30933bc1066919c21403e59212f45c9e

[Spikey M]

Play the games in hand, then do the league maths.

Then the teams that miss out will complain that they have already played all their hard games whilst Wycomb - the bastards - had all theirs left to play.

There is no way to make it fair.

[ScousePig]

What's the fair way of doing it then? It's not anyone's fault they have games in hand.

Finish the season? Other than that there isn't a 'fair' way.

There are probably more fairer ways, though.

[ScousePig]

Par league weighting.

There's a points per game weighted scenario, though I'm not sure it's much (if any) fairer. That would actually see Peterborough make the playoffs and Portsmouth miss out.

There's Shindig's option of playing the games in hand, or you could even take off the extra games teams have played so that everyone has played the same amount.

There's a number of options. Simple points per game doesn't take into account who teams have played and who they have left. There's even the issue with Bolton and how for the first couple of months teams were playing against their youth side.

It's a mess.

[Disco]

If you apply the same rules to everyone then it is fair. Anyone whinging can fuck off, these are not normal times.

[Don]

Fuck Wycombe, unlimited FF transfers is not fair for us patient souls. We better keep our chip advantage at least.

[Andy]

They will keep the chips, they're loads less effective than they would have been though. Apart from this first week there arent any double gameweeks.

[Don]

Just jizz them all up the wall in the hope the 2nd wave lockdown calls an early end to the season :baz:

[Waffdon]

Man City after Chillwell too. Whoever doesn’t sign him fans will be delighted

[wullie]

The one suggestion for League One that would have fucked us completely was put forward by Ipswich, to take the table at the point where everyone had played half their games and use that. This still ignores that not every team has played each other once by the halfway point but does neatly fall before the point Ipswich shat themselves and started freefalling into mid-table.

[ScousePig]

If you apply the same rules to everyone then it is fair. Anyone whinging can fuck off, these are not normal times.

What same rules? There are different rules being applied in each league.

'These are not normal times' doesn't meant that all logic suddenly goes out of the window.

[ScousePig]

The one suggestion for League One that would have fucked us completely was put forward by Ipswich, to take the table at the point where everyone had played half their games and use that. This still ignores that not every team has played each other once by the halfway point but does neatly fall before the point Ipswich shat themselves and started freefalling into mid-table.

That's a new one for me. Another proposal was that Coventry should be automatically promoted, and the teams in 2nd-9th (ie those separated by just a few points) play in two separate playoff events, so two teams go up through the playoffs.

[wullie]

I thought that was the most likely to be approved mostly because it went some way to appeasing the teams that put out the statement to crack on, surprised the EFL stood firm but then they have been entertaining suggestions to be presented tomorrow so who knows? I just find it hard to believe that we're in an almost unassailable position considering we started the season unable to beat a Bolton team with an average age of 14.

[ScousePig]

It won't be null and void, so I can't see any situation whereby Coventry aren't promoted. Rotherham have got lucky, and the four in the playoffs will probably have mixed feelings. Fleetwood were flying and looked strong contenders for finishing 2nd, and Oxford had seemed to hit form again at the right time. Supposedly both of those had voted to try and finish the season.

[Mellberg]

How's our boy O'Hare doing?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The one suggestion for League One that would have fucked us completely was put forward by Ipswich, to take the table at the point where everyone had played half their games and use that. This still ignores that not every team has played each other once by the halfway point but does neatly fall before the point Ipswich shat themselves and started freefalling into mid-table.

The sheer chutzpah of suggesting that in public should see football outlawed in the town.

[phonics]

The sheer chutzpah of suggesting that in public should see football outlawed in the town.

Ipswich have form for this. I'm sure I remember my Dad said it was them that got the away goals rule scrapped for either the play-offs or league cup after West Brom knocked them out via that rule. Their chairman was quite high up in the FA iirc.

[niko_cee]

What a story in the current zeitgeist (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-52967650)

:D

[ScousePig]

A couple of pieces on the League One issue:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52836189

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/league-one-vote-promotion-city-18309087.amp

The Coventry article above breaks down who is likely to vote for what. Assuming the three 'undecided' clubs vote for what's in their best interests, that will likely leave the vote at 12-11 in favour of ending the season. If EFL needed clarification that letting the clubs decide on what to do was a stupid idea, then there it is.

The BBC article outlines some of the possible scenarios that clubs have mooted. People wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue if the EFL actually just used a bit of common sense. Instead, they seem to be doing everything they can to fuck the situation up.

[Shindig]

What a story in the current zeitgeist (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-52967650)

:D

There's some great quotes in that.

[Spikey M]

Scottish Slaves :D

What a cunt.

[Manc]

Greasy bastard.

[ScousePig]

The meeting is underway
The meeting and subsequent will take place over a virtual platform, and will begin at 10:30am.
EFL chair Rick Parry is set to lead the conversation, with representatives from each EFL club offered the chance to attend. For Sunderland, that is likely to be chief executive Jim Rodwell.
However, a number of clubs are not expected to join the meeting and will instead vote via proxy.


What are clubs voting on?
There could be as many as three rounds of voting taking place on Tuesday, with EFL clubs set to vote on a string of proposals and amendments.
Here’s each round explained in detail:

Vote 1

The first vote will see clubs decide the framework upon which seasons will be decided if they are curtailed.
Here, clubs will vote on the EFL’s own proposal which would see standings, plus promotion and relegation, decided on an unweighted points-per-game basis. The play-offs in each division will take place as usual and should not be extended.


Vote 2...

Once the proposal mentioned above is passed, as is widely expected, clubs can then vote on a number of potential amendments to the chosen framework. These are:
- The Barnsley Proposal – No club should be relegated in a division that fails to fulfill its fixtures.
- The Tranmere Proposal – Tables will be decided on unweighted points-per-game but with a ‘margin for error’ formula applied. Clubs will then be given a ‘Final Points Range’ which would determine whether they are promoted, relegated or take part in an extended play-off competition.
- The Lincoln City amendment – Any points deductions awarded to clubs will be deducted after the points-per-game calculation is made, rather than applied as part of the calculation.
- The Stevenage amendment – No club should be relegated from League Two if clubs opt to curtail the fourth tier season.
- The Ipswich amendment – Should the League One season be ended, clubs should be able to vote on alternative play-off options.



Vote 3...
After a framework is established for finishing the season, individual leagues can hold a vote to determine whether their seasons are curtailed or continued.
In League One, it is widely expected that the season will be finished.
This vote may take place on Tuesday, but could take place later in the week if clubs wish to take stock of the finalised framework before casting their vote.
League Two, of course, have already voted to curtail their season while the Championship are preparing for a June 20 restart.

Exciting times.

[wullie]

The original PPG and 4-team playoff EFL plan has been agreed to now, bizarrely quickly considering how long these all tend to drag on.

Looks as though L2 have breezed through theirs quickly too with only Forest Green wanting to play on, hopefully L1 actually gets a decision made today

[Jimmy Floyd]

- The Barnsley Proposal – No club should be relegated in a division that fails to fulfill its fixtures.
- The Tranmere Proposal – Tables will be decided on unweighted points-per-game but with a ‘margin for error’ formula applied. Clubs will then be given a ‘Final Points Range’ which would determine whether they are promoted, relegated or take part in an extended play-off competition.
- The Lincoln City amendment – Any points deductions awarded to clubs will be deducted after the points-per-game calculation is made, rather than applied as part of the calculation.
- The Stevenage amendment – No club should be relegated from League Two if clubs opt to curtail the fourth tier season.
- The Ipswich amendment – Should the League One season be ended, clubs should be able to vote on alternative play-off options.

Am I to guess (though a couple are obviously so) that all of these amendments are proposed from a position of complete self-interest?

The Tranmere one appears to be particularly absurd. 'We're relegated, but not by as much as Southend are, so...'

And I'm going to take a wild guess that Lincoln have dropped points to Bolton.

[mo]

League Two Champions :cheer:

[wullie]

Everyone is saying L1 is done but I'm waiting on an official announcement before unzipping.

[niko_cee]

I missed the FPL update yesterday.

Unlimited transfers before the restart.

:happycry:

Dry your eyes Taz.

[thommo]

Everyone is saying L1 is done but I'm waiting on an official announcement before unzipping.

Time to unzip.
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[Jimmy Floyd]

Would they be allowed into the top flight without their own ground? I know Wimbledon did it back in the day but the rules may have changed since then.

[wullie]

I think we're waiting to smoke Wasps out, while pretending to be looking at sites to build a new stadium out of bamboo sticks and fairy dust.

[Don]

Someone fucking code me up for the TTH league before I PM Niko with a duel league code.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Sounds like you're hesitant to throw Niko that duel league code. Afraid much?

[ScousePig]

Third season in League One, and our lowest ever finish (again).

[Giggles]

How far down are they going before it doesn’t matter? Is the Championship being played?

[ScousePig]

The Championship is being played, League One and Two ended.

[Baz]

Someone fucking code me up for the TTH league before I PM Niko with a duel league code.

League admin only. It’s either Andy or -james-

[niko_cee]

Yeah, Andy renewed the league (whatever that means) from 2 seasons ago (join code then was 30846-41537).

I'm already thinking loading up on City players is a risk as they'll probably sack everything off in favour of the cup or some such madness.

Hopefully all this racial tension has fired up Sterling.

[Bob Sacamano]

This Saarbucken stadium is glorious.

Those nets :drool:

[John Arne]

Ho Chi Minh City v Saigon FC this friday night :drool:

[SincereTheRebel]

This Saarbucken stadium is glorious.

Those nets :drool:

Did you go to the game?

[Mike]

Goodison confirmed for the derby. Good stuff.

[Ian]

If it's empty does it matter where it's played?

[Disco]

Why even bother with stadiums, you could do it anywhere.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Garden Soccer it in the Akehurst back garden.

[Shindig]

Just think, we're days away from hearing You Never Walk Alone sung by three stewards and Jurgen Klopp.

[Mike]

Garden Soccer it in the Akehurst back garden.
We only have one set of goals. Plan ruined.

[Shindig]

Newcastle had another friendly. 3-2 over Boro. Joelinton, Almiron and Muto scored.

[Lofty]

Arsenal lost 3-2 to Brentford :D

[Kikó]

Benfica are fucking up again...

[John]

Proper collapse.

Portimonense having a bright yellow Mizuno kit is great fun. I had no idea Mizuno were still a going concern.

[Kikó]

I'm pretty sure they've got Ricardo Vaz Te up front as well. Their second goal is a lovely strike.

[John]

They did have but they took him off just after they scored their first.

[John]

I've watched bits and pieces of four Portuguese games since they came back and all four have had seven minutes plus added time. Has there been a solid push to fully enforce the thirty seconds per sub rule that nobody else bothers with, or has every game just had a big stooshie I've managed to miss?

[Shindig]

There's tributes for the Covid victims planned for the games coming up. For the love of God, don't applaud for a minute.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've just seen that La Liga starts back up again today and they will be having fixtures on every single day until the 19th of July.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Starting with the best derby in Europe.

[Boydy]

Is it on tv?

[Giggles]

I don’t think I could even watch our own soccer with this behind closed doors shit.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We'd have never guessed, you should have said something.

[Giggles]

We'd have never guessed, you should have said something.

Are there no German games for you to do live commentary on?

[Disco]

That's a beautiful jibe there by Giggles.

[Lewis]

https://i.imgur.com/eJZ3FtG.png

[Giggles]

:D

fucking hell

[Jimmy Floyd]

The golf is back on for the first time tonight (behind closed doors) and it's weird as hell. Someone can stuff it to two feet, or roll in a 30 footer for birdie and just dead silence.

Still, Jim Nantz has managed to ruin it already by saying, of Harold Varner's good start (the only black player other than Woodsy), WHAT A STORY THIS WOULD BE.

[Luca]

Looks like Bellingham has chosen the Dortmund route (as per Christian Falk). Certainly makes a decent amount of sense for him; it'll be a shame when we have to chuck 200m quid at him in 3 years, though.

[Offshore Toon]

https://i.imgur.com/eJZ3FtG.png
:D

[niko_cee]

Still, Jim Nantz has managed to ruin it already by saying, of Harold Varner's good start (the only black player other than Woodsy), WHAT A STORY THIS WOULD BE.

:D

'Rosey' obviously didn't get the memo.

On the subject of Mr Rose, I saw the other day that he and his wife were sponsoring/promoting some ladies golf events in the UK, which all seemed very laudable, but when I saw the total prize pot that he'd chipped in was something like £30,000 it did strike me as a bit cheap for someone who must be worth many tens of millions.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.justinrose.com/sponsors/

I can't imagine he's got a pot to piss in.

[Don]

Dele Alli has apparently been cleared of racism. Chauvin is on the line to his lawyers as we speak.

[niko_cee]

Aye, but he still got banned didn't he?

[Lewis]

Premier League players will wear the words “Black Lives Matter” on the back of their shirts in the opening round of fixtures upon next week’s restart. The slogan will replace the *footballers’ surnames in one of *several initiatives marking recent events agreed by the clubs at a meeting on Thursday, which also include a minute’s silence to *honour those who have died as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

That's a nice initiative. Especially in a round with a fixture between two sides advertising the state airlines of a country that... This is why they should stay out of this stuff.

[mugbull]

Yeah, if you can't fix everything all at once, you shouldn't work towards fixing anything ever

[Lewis]

When Mesut Oezil criticised how China treats its Muslims, Arsenal formally distanced themselves from his opinions. They said 'Arsenal is always apolitical as an organisation', so yeah, their declared policy is that they shouldn't work towards fixing anything ever.

[mugbull]

They’re silent towards China because of the marketing value of that country, but are vocal about BLM because they’re not gonna lose any money because of it. It’s not a great system but speaking up about 1/2 is better than speaking up about 0/2

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's just more culture war. The same people who will be mad in favour of having Black Lives Matter on the shirts are the ones normally whingeing about poppies on shirts in November (and vice versa).

[John Arne]

Ho Chi Minh City v Saigon FC this friday night :drool:

We got fucking beat 1-0. Shite game. Decent crowd though, about 8,000.

In the other game, 22minutes we added to firs half stoppage time after the game was suspended after extra fans got into the stadium.

https://gyazo.com/766369f1ecde3e2437535376e6a74dfb.jpeg

[Don]

Mug's got a point, if you start waiting for Muslim lives to matter you're in trouble, lad.

[Giggles]

Mug's got a point, if you start waiting for Muslim lives to matter you're in trouble, lad.

When they’re happy enough to strap the hotdogs around them and off themselves to take out double figures, why should anyone else care?

[Lewis]

They’re silent towards China because of the marketing value of that country, but are vocal about BLM because they’re not gonna lose any money because of it. It’s not a great system but speaking up about 1/2 is better than speaking up about 0/2

Now that they are a political organisation the Emirates link is an endorsement, which is the equaliser, and they're 2-1 down if you make them complicit with their Chinese silence. They should have kept out of it.

[Shindig]

I wonder how many Arsenal fans visit Rwanda.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They are correct to say they are apolitical. They are purely commercial and act accordingly. There's no money in standing up for Uighurs but there's loads in speaking up for black America.

[mugbull]

Now that they are a political organisation the Emirates link is an endorsement, which is the equaliser, and they're 2-1 down if you make them complicit with their Chinese silence. They should have kept out of it.

None of this justifies why they "should keep out of" BLM, besides you being a snowflake

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Great start in this game.

Hoffenheim get an early penalty which is reversed by VAR and Leipzig go down the pitch and score almost instantly.

[SincereTheRebel]

Juventus vs Ac Milan in 20 minutes. 2nd leg of the semi-final. First finished 1-1

https://i.ibb.co/k6ZtDJj/20200612-193934.jpg (https://ibb.co/XkHq5D1)
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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Dani Olmo is on fire although Baumann should have done more.

[Lewis]

None of this justifies why they "should keep out of" BLM, besides you being a snowflake

As a passionate supporter of the BLM, I'm uncomfortable with ties to an organisation complicit in atrocities. I think we can be better than that.

[Pleb]

Ronaldo 1-0

Wait...:D

[Pleb]

Red card from Milan as well :D

Incredible.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Boyata has been sent off but I couldn't see the contact.

All I could see was Bas Dost clipping his own ankles.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He watches all the German games
He basks in the Bundesliga's fame,
He knows each crest, ground and nickname,
Mahow, Mahow, Mahow.

He eats Schweinhaxen for his lunch,
He knows that Weissbier packs a punch,
He thinks the Dutch a dirty bunch,
Mahow, Mahow, Mahow.

His national team, it plays in white,
He says 'Auf Wiedersehen' each night,
He screams 'Jawohl!' forcing out each shite,
Mahow, Mahow, Mahow.

He remembers Kaiser Wilhelm's reign,
Alliances with Franco's Spain,
Ill-fated visits to Ukraine,
Mahow, Mahow, Mahow.

He waltzed around the Maginot Line,
He knows the doorman at Berghain,
He sets his watch to Dortmund time,
Mahow, Mahow, Mahow.

Sycamore's his favourite baum,
Heidelberg his favourite town,
But Hitchin is his lebensraum,
Mahow, Mahow, Mahow.

[Giggles]

How long have you been sitting on that? :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

I did it in 20 minutes just now when I saw the German games were on, and immediately thought of Mahow watching them, leading to the line 'He sets his watch to Dortmund time' and then the rest of it. Then I thought bollocks, I'm going to have to sit on this until he posts about German football again, refreshed the page and happily he had done so a mere 10 minutes earlier.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Stunning.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Here is the red btw:

https://streamja.com/5rmll

[John Arne]

Guerreiro just had a goal disallowed for handball.. it clearly comes off his shoulder. Bizarre decision.

[mugbull]

Guerreiro just had a goal disallowed for handball.. it clearly comes off his shoulder. Bizarre decision.

CL final memories

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.clippituser.tv/c/gmbabd

Beautiful.

[Giggles]

Guerreiro just had a goal disallowed for handball.. it clearly comes off his shoulder. Bizarre decision.

Do they not have that video shit that was destroying the sport before the shutdown?

[thommo]

https://www.clippituser.tv/c/gmbabd

Beautiful.
That is wonderful. Kamada with some glorious close control.

[Spikey M]

The people demand a Vocaroo version Jimmy.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Dortmund have not deserved that at all. They've been shit.

Lovely header though.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The people demand a Vocaroo version Jimmy.

The people can get fucked.

[Foe]

I’d be interested in a mahow blog.

1. Watches football
2. Watches tv series
3. Eats out and or cooks (impressive sounding) meals
4. Admin for porn sites

What do you actually do with your time? Serious question.

[Foe]

Also, mental watching the “football hooligans” getting pissed and attacking the police in London today.

They’re opportune bastards, I’ll give them that.

[Lewis]

I’d be interested in a mahow blog.

1. Watches football
2. Watches tv series
3. Eats out and or cooks (impressive sounding) meals
4. Admin for porn sites

What do you actually do with your time? Serious question.

You're on it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Hearing the can-can being blasted out after a later winner for Bayern is special.

[SincereTheRebel]

They have crowd noises at this Mallorca vs Barcelona game and it isnt really that bad

[Shindig]

We beat Hull 2-0 today. Ready as fuck.

[Don]

Clean-shaven Messi has really took me back. What a sight.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is anyone counting down his assault on Pele's (competitive) goal record? Last time I checked I think he was less than 100 behind.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I had no idea that Martin Braithwaite had signed for Barcelona.

Why?

[Waffdon]

They were allowed to sign him as an emergency due to having a few injuries

[Danny]

And despite that Leganes were unable to sign someone to replace him.

If you didnt see him sign you must have missed this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-KqW7umrZg

[Spikey M]

Teckers tek a boo son go hard or go home you've got no fans

[Waffdon]

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Makes sense

[Shindig]

It's all fun and games until a VAR check at a corner takes 25 minutes to resolve.

[Jimmy Floyd]

At this point Covid discourse has morphed from real fear that was around at the peak, to people who enjoyed that fear wanting the threat to continue for as long as possible so that they can continue to live their best lives doing fuck all.

It's fucking fine out there.

[Shindig]

Oh, aye. Covidlive's showing that there's bugger all hitting the north. As soon as I sort myself a mask, I'll be seeing the folks.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Schalke are beating Leverkusen due to a VAR awarded penalty.

lol.

[Manc]

Definitely on the wind up at this point.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah how could I possibly like watching some decent football.

[Spikey M]

Of you were enjoying it you wouldn't be live posting every kick.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I made one post over the course of two games today and about 5 yesterday.

And no one on TTH has ever posted about a game of football before.

[Giggles]

Ropes, etc.

[Don]

Mahow mate, if there's one thing I can back you on, it's supporting Eastern European whores' households. But if there's a second thing, it's not standing down in the face of people who discourage posting. That has to be the most disgusting act one can do on here. Keep posting and if any of these cunts are mean again send then my way.

[Giggles]

Mahow mate, if there's one thing I can back you on, it's supporting Eastern European whores' households. But if there's a second thing, it's not standing down in the face of people who discourage posting. That has to be the most disgusting act one can do on here. Keep posting and if any of these cunts are mean again send then my way.

So long as we keep you and your backpack 500-600m away then he may fight his own battles.

[Don]

Backpack 500 sounds like my sort of niche corner of twitter.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The stupid Sky advert calling Sheffield United 'Sheff Yoo' is really pissing me off.

[-james-]

La Liga over the weekend has been great. Bundesliga really is agricultural in comparison. Messi looks an absolute dweeb again though now sans facial hair.

[-james-]

That Odegaard guy really is pretty good.

[Raoul Duke]

La Liga over the weekend has been great. Bundesliga really is agricultural in comparison. Messi looks an absolute dweeb again though now sans facial hair.

All footballers should have beards. Rooney, Messi...err...Mellberg

[mugbull]

La Liga over the weekend has been great. Bundesliga really is agricultural in comparison. Messi looks an absolute dweeb again though now sans facial hair.

Couldn’t be more wrong. You got the leagues switched, and Messi looks far better without a beard as most (European-faced) people do

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's like a split personality for him. You couldn't evade tax clean-shaven.

[Don]

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/football-crowd-noise

Save the players and just play it all out on FIFA.

I really thought I'd be able to enjoy my life a bit more before having to wage the war against technology but alas, the norms are shifting at an alarming rate.

[Spoonsky]

+1 Messi looks like a dork now

[Smjffy]

Gary Neville and now Rashford....I feel dirty.

Go on, lad!

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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[Giggles]

That sums up just how bullshit it’s going to be. Training processions with a bit of disco.

[Disco]

Sorry I'm busy that day.

[Shindig]

Hey, at least we can get someone walking out to Shut 'em Down by Public Enemy.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Giggles Spikey M Manc

Gladbach have looked good in the first half, especially Hoffman.

[John]

It's suddenly unacceptable that Rondon is in China and we'll never get to see him lumbering off the bench to the sound of The Crystals.

[John]

Giggles Spikey M Manc

Gladbach have looked good in the first half, especially Hoffman.

With the notable exception of Embolo, who has looked like he won a raffle.