Feb Footy: Southend United and football's demise

[Ian]

They're playing United so they'll certainly look it.

[bruhnaldo]

The thing our sports have over America is not taking ourselves seriously

lol come on my man

[Ian]

Nobody's ever won the FA Cup and called themselves the champions of the world, mate.

Case closed.

[Pepe]

The NFL banning banterific celebrations and the MLB not allowing people to celebrate homeruns proves Jimmy right.

[bruhnaldo]

Host competitions that feature the undisputed pinnacle of that sports' talent and you can do just that.

I'm sure you have a world championship of darts or some bullshit.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Which features people from around the World.

[bruhnaldo]

I'm not saying we don't take our sports overtly serious but I'm not sure a country where a bunch of people have died because they take sports too seriously should be throwing stones that's all.

[bruhnaldo]

Which features people from around the World.

So do ours, thank you for walking right into that one.

[Ian]

Yes. It features players from around the world representing themselves, not just American teams.

EDIT: Mahow beat me to it, and is not wrong.

Pepe's answer is better if you're insisting on something less facetious though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

So do ours, thank you for walking right into that one.

Yes but they represent their own countries not AMERICA.

[bruhnaldo]

The hoops ya'll jump through to act like our football, baseball, and basketball teams do not participate in the obvious pinnacle of their sport worldwide with people from all over the world participating in them should be it's own sport that you could then claim to be world champion of.

[bruhnaldo]

Yes but they represent their own countries not AMERICA.

Who the fuck is representing America??????????????????????????????????? lmfao

[bruhnaldo]

Do the darts people even "represent" their countries? It's not the fuckin Olympics lmfao

[Pepe]

You are right. They represent the Tulsa ThunderFreedomz.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Who the fuck is representing America??????????????????????????????????? lmfao

Atlanta Falcons, Baltimore Ravens, Dallas Cowboys, Philadelphia Eagles, New York Giants, New York Jets etc etc.

All American 'Franchises' supposedly competing to be the WORLD'S best.

Host a World Championship with a team from America, Germany, UK etc etc.

[Pepe]

At last the Little League World Series gets it somewhat right.

[bruhnaldo]

Tulsa ThunderFreedomz could easily become the Oklahoma LightinngFlagPrides next week.

The local is only consequential to people who live in that town. There's plenty of people here who cheer for an NFL team that have nothing to do with that city.

Any human who wants to play American Football comes to America to play it. Same for the NBA Finals or World Series. Made up of many international players who work their entire life to get to the pinnacle of their sports that just so happen to be in America.

Any "argument" against this is obtuse at best.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

At last the Little League World Series gets it somewhat right.

Taiwan owning it :cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm not saying we don't take our sports overtly serious but I'm not sure a country where a bunch of people have died because they take sports too seriously should be throwing stones that's all.

Big difference between taking sport seriously and taking yourself seriously.

Being a golf fan I get the full cross-cultural exposure and your 'Mr Palmer' shit really does take the biscuit. As for the Hall(s) of Fame mattering, lol.

[John Arne]

Tulsa ThunderFreedomz could easily become the Oklahoma LightinngFlagPrides next week.

The local is only consequential to people who live in that town. There's plenty of people here who cheer for an NFL team that have nothing to do with that city.

Any human who wants to play American Football comes to America to play it. Same for the NBA Finals or World Series. Made up of many international players who work their entire life to get to the pinnacle of their sports that just so happen to be in America.

Any "argument" against this is obtuse at best.

I like the NBA, but it still riles me when the winners are called the 'World Champions'.. Same with NFL... that's not being obtuse, that's just obvious. The USA are the Basketball World Champions, but that's because they won the FIBA World Cup, not the NBA Finals.

[Pepe]

Any human who wants to play American Football comes to America to play it.

Lofty disagrees.

[bruhnaldo]

I like the NBA, but it still riles me when the winners are called the 'World Champions'..

Do the best players in the world play in the NBA? Yes.

Say less!

[bruhnaldo]

Lofty disagrees.

Lofty has ambition to play at the pinnacle of American football? I guess not.

[Pepe]

Does that make Spain the World Champions in football?

EDIT: Or England, or wherever the top, TOP, players hang nowadays.

[Pepe]

Also, taking this discussion too seriously is strong evidence of taking your sports too seriously.

[Pepe]

https://i.imgur.com/e0HjzLY.jpg

[John Arne]

Do the best players in the world play in the NBA? Yes.

Say less!

Delete your account.


Also, taking this discussion too seriously is strong evidence of taking your sports too seriously.

:D

[Ian]

The hoops ya'll jump through to act like our football, baseball, and basketball teams do not participate in the obvious pinnacle of their sport worldwide

They obviously do, but "world champions" is still incorrect.

[bruhnaldo]

Big difference between taking sport seriously and taking yourself seriously.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9P7hWkCMAIWefU.jpg

Well this guy does both and there's plenty like him, papa.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Admittedly if someone can find a way to infect Jim Nantz with coronavirus that will solve about 60% of US sport's pomposity problem.

[bruhnaldo]

They obviously do, but "world champions" is still incorrect.

If all of the best people in the world take part in in a competition.... the winners of that competition would be the best of the best people in the world, would they not?

You're acting like if we moved the Jacksonville Jaguars to London and called them the London Jaguars we'd have more of a right to do so, despite nothing else about the team changing other than location.

Not the players, coaches, nothing different at all.

[bruhnaldo]

Admittedly if someone can find a way to infect Jim Nantz with coronavirus that will solve about 60% of US sport's pomposity problem.

Fuck Jim Nantz forever my boy.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Admittedly if someone can find a way to infect Jim Nantz with coronavirus that will solve about 60% of US sport's pomposity problem.

Can he also pass that on to Joe Buck and Troy Aikman?

[bruhnaldo]

Does that make Spain the World Champions in football?

EDIT: Or England, or wherever the top, TOP, players hang nowadays.

You could make reasonable arguments that many of the world's top players play in different leagues.

You can't do that in any of our sports.

[bruhnaldo]

Also, taking this discussion too seriously is strong evidence of taking your sports too seriously.

Again, always said we do, but the argument is that the English somehow don't.

Focus, Pep.

[bruhnaldo]

Joe Buck, Troy Aikman, and Jim Nantz are all the fuckin devil.

[Pepe]

Are the winners of the Champions League called the World Champions? No, they are not. Because that would be stupid.

[niko_cee]

They are at the moment.

:henn0rz:

[Pepe]

Shiiiii, I've been done.

[bruhnaldo]

Are the winners of the Champions League called the World Champions? No, they are not. Because that would be stupid.

.... because there's already a Club World Cup? I agree entirely.

Again, you're talking about a sport where many top players go to several different leagues around the world to ply their trade.

Top players come to the NBA, NFL, NHL, and MLB because they are already the pinnacle of the sport.

It really isn't a difficult concept but, you know..

[Pen]

I can’t believe Bruh is struggling with such a simple concept.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

.... because there's already a Club World Cup? I agree entirely.

Again, you're talking about a sport where many top players go to several different leagues around the world to ply their trade.

Top players come to the NBA, NFL, NHL, and MLB because they are already the pinnacle of the sport.

It really isn't a difficult concept but, you know..

But how do you know that the very best are plying their trade in those?

Kapernick is better than most backup QBs in the NFL, there are probably some in the XFL who would do a better job than some in the NFL and there might even be some playing in Germany.

Don't forget that players like Kurt Warner, James Harrison, Dante Hall, Vinatieiri (and a number of other kickers) weren't deemed good enough for the league so had to play in NFL Europe to earn a spot into the league.

[Giggles]

That’s some stretch. It’s a team sport and there’s not one team outside the NFL would beat one of them with a hundred goes.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That’s some stretch. It’s a team sport and there’s not one team outside the NFL would beat one of them with a hundred goes.

I agree but he's saying that because the very best players play in the NFL (and those other leagues/sports) that makes whoever wins the Championship game the best in the world.

There are plenty of players in the NFL that scouts have missed wildly on and as such you can't claim with certainty that the very best X amount of players in the World are currently playing in the league.

[Lewis]

We take sport far more seriously than the Americans. They probably care more about the RESULT across the board, but we've got tens of thousands of cranks and nonces keeping grassroots sport ticking over before you even get to the background permaseethe that accompanies all of our top level sport. Even the cricket and rugby dickheads who like to pretend it's not about the result basically treat that as the win.

[Pepe]

Do you also go balls deep into the U-10 leagues?

[Lewis]

That's just their equivalent of the maniacs who support lower league sides.

[Ian]

Do you also go balls deep into the U-10 leagues?

Based on recent arrests some certainly did.

[Lofty]

That’s some stretch. It’s a team sport and there’s not one team outside the NFL would beat one of them with a hundred goes.

One of the guys who I played with played in a GB Lions team that played a game against a combined US Army/Airforce team and the Yanks had to retire after taking too many injuries... teams like the Manchester Titans train excessively already just to play in the top BritBall division as amateurs, obviously an NFL team would crush them but the difference is the difference between mens and womens football in the UK: one example has an entire infrastructure from child to professional in place and the other is trying to attract players who are usually novice adults when they start.

I'd say the best gridiron team in the UK/France/Germany respectively is probably as good as a High School football team in America. But give them 15 years and multi million dollar professional contracts and you would see a rapid improvement. There have been enough scandals as it is with ex college players who didnt make the grade being offered lodging and jobs to come and play for britball teams in the current format!

But the point they're making that you aren't grasping Bruh is it is worthless calling yourselves world champions of a sport only your country play professionally. You can't be world champions if there is no/little risk of outside competition. I could declare myself world champion of wanking myself off, unless I can attract an international pool of contenders to also wank me off it is a bit tin pot.

[Shindig]

Even for the World Series to have any clout, they'd need maybe Cuban and Japanese teams to take part. When it comes to sport, Americans seem more focused on pushing their own invented sports (basketball, baseball) or tweaking Rugby into American football.

[Waffdon]

Think chelsea have lost every game to a team on a losing streak this year. Lampard has been clueless against non London teams

[Kikó]

He's no Ole.

[niko_cee]

Horrifying day for Brighton so far.

Only consolation is that they were this bad last season, bottoming out with a back-to-back home defeats to Bournemouth (0-5) and Cardiff (0-2) around Easter time, and they still managed to stay up, somehow. Much less confident this time round. Watford getting something against Liverpool later would really be the icing on a particularly shit cake.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Luckily I'm a Leeds fan (hence the username) and we won 4-0 earlier to maintain the advantage so up the white rose boys.

[Gray Fox]

In shocking news, Naby Keita is injured. Joe Gomez has a knock too, so in comes Lovren ahead of Matip which is a bit odd. It's like he wants to give Watford more chances.

[Shindig]

Expected Burnley to turn us over but we looked a lot more lively today.

[Gray Fox]

Bundesliga news time.

Bayern were playing away at Hoffenheim and the away fans brought out some banners late in the 2nd half that were insulting towards the owner of Hoffenheim, Dietmar Hopp.
The Bayern players went to plead with the fans to take the banners down but they refused, so the last 10 minutes of the game saw both teams just kicking the ball to each other.

[Lewis]

Let's never hear about the superiority of German football ever again.

[Shindig]

Just swap ends, lads.

[Gray Fox]

Looks like Deulofeu just blew his knee out.

[Gray Fox]

Lovren is infuriating to watch.

[Foe]

Looks like Deulofeu just blew his knee out.

Absolutely horrible to watch. Brutal.

[Gray Fox]

Lovren needs shooting on the field immediately.

[Kikó]

Totally deserve this Watford. Liverpool haven't really turned up in the first 60.

[Gray Fox]

This has been coming for several games. I don't know if it's the bollocks invincibles talk but something hasn't been right.

Hopefully this is a wake up call for Atletico.

[Kikó]

You love to see it.

[Gray Fox]

Proper kick up the ass, this.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Hopefully not a kick up the arse for Tuesday.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I wasn't even watching as I expected a routine 1-0 Liverpool win.

lol at this.

[Smjffy]

Is this where we Liverpool it and lose the title? :drool:

[Kikó]

No. You've won the league.

[Kikó]

Well until Corona cancels it.

[niko_cee]

Called it earlier, nightmare day for Brighton. Thank Christ for Marcos Alonso.

[Gray Fox]

Good guys Liverpool just wanted to spice up the relegation battle, honest.

[Spoonsky]

:moop:

Leave it Dejan Lovren to ruin a year-long unbeaten run.

[Smjffy]

Well until Corona cancels it.

I'm telling you now, if that actually happens then I'm finding a new sport.

[Smjffy]

:moop:

Leave it Dejan Lovren to ruin a year-long unbeaten run.

Gotta find a scapegoat somewhere but in truth it's been coming for a few weeks. Not a 3-0 defeat but a defeat all the same.

It should be met with a shrug of the shoulders but fully anticipating what's about to follow on social media/press etc.

[Spikey M]

The slip of all slips is on. :drool:

[Luca]

:drool:

Josh and I have been rioting.

[Lewis]

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It's funny because it's true.

[Mellberg]

I'm telling you now, if that actually happens then I'm finding a new sport.

Think I'd take approx 500k British fatalities for those kind of lulz.

[Lewis]

I'd do a Kenny Dalglish and go to every funeral.

[Mellberg]

Al0n to the football thread. I repeat, Al0n to the football thread.

[Lewis]

Known in these parts as 'Casualty 97'.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've just come across Gavin Peacock's twitter feed. That's my childhood ruined.

[Giggles]

Just seen the score. What happened? Lovren?

Do they show Arsenal players popping corks like they do in the NFL with the Dolphins?

[Gray Fox]

Didn't turn up. Lovren was the worst of a poor bunch today. Whether it was complacency or tiredness, just looked flat. Watford wanted it more and should have won by more than 3.

[Josh]

:drool:

Josh and I have been rioting.

What a day. Perfect victory and sleeping on the sofa for a few nights as I went out with Luca and came home too drunk to do our evening plans.

[Lofty]

Just seen the score. What happened? Lovren?

Do they show Arsenal players popping corks like they do in the NFL with the Dolphins?

Gary Neville popped one on twitter.

[Waffdon]

Football Twitter has been incredible this past day. Need Atletico to finish them off.

[Giggles]

Gary Neville popped one on twitter.

:D I thought that was a joke when I seen it earlier. The sad cunt.

[SincereTheRebel]

It took the Man cunt, 8 seconds to remove the cork from a bottle. Pussy.