TTH Exit Poll - 2019 General Election

[John Arne]

Who you going to vote for tomorrow?

[Disco]

Vote Josh.

[John Arne]

Urgh… I missed the Brexit party....

[Giggles]

Urgh… I missed the Brexit party....

You made the poll private too.

[niko_cee]

One for Thornberry from my household, assuming she's still alive. What have they done with her and Kier?

[John Arne]

You made the poll private too.

Intentional. I figure people will be more honest if it's private.

[Giggles]

Indeed, that is true.

[Spikey M]

Spoilt ballot.

[Giggles]

Don’t forget to leave TTH cards in the booths.

[mo]

Tactical Lib Dem vote tomorrow.

[Ian]

Vote Josh.

This is how people should spoil their ballots. Write in Josh and Greg, draw the box and make their choice.

[Baz]

I’m honestly undecided between labour and green. Will decide on a whim when I pick up the pencil.

[Offshore Toon]

I'd vote Labour if it was close, but I'll probably either spoil my ballot with a baa baa Brexit theme or vote for a wacky independent.

[Raoul Duke]

Lib Dem. They should turn over the incumbent Tory shithouse

[Spikey M]

https://www.queensbrexit.com

My local independent.

"Could the Queen and 77Joseph hold the answer to Brexit?"

Fuck sake.

[Lewis]

I will be #BackingBoris to #GetBrexitDone, even though the local candidate is pretty lame.

[Mike]

I’m honestly undecided between labour and green. Will decide on a whim when I pick up the pencil.

Same, more labour as they at least have a chance of winning I guess, and you wanna back the winner.

As always, the best part of voting is that my polling station is in my local pub, so I’ll get a post voting reward pint.

[-james-]

I'd vote Labour if it was close, but I'll probably either spoil my ballot with a baa baa Brexit theme or vote for a wacky independent.

It could well be close. Vote Jez.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I am in the suddenly famous Esher & Walton which has had a tempestuous election campaign. It has never been anything other than Tory here for more than 100 years. Dominic Raab has a majority of 23,000 and is a vacuous tit, even more unpopular here than he is nationally. It is a Remain constituency and the Liberal Democrats are mounting a ferocious challenge, aided and abetted by the fact they are running a second 'shadow' candidate under another ticket, a former Liberal Democrat who quit the party not long ago. This candidate has been campaigning for the Lib Dems and distributing anti-Raab literature. Most people believe he is a puppet candidate arranged in order for the Lib Dems to access extra permitted spending in the constituency. They have also repeatedly bussed in the family of deceased motorcyclist Harry Dunn, who are not constituents but have been used by the Lib Dems to vocally attack Raab (who is said to have bungled the case as Foreign Secretary) on set piece occasions.

I find this pretty ghoulish to say the least. The Liberal Democrats might seem warm and fluffy from the outside, but when you watch a determined campaign on the ground you realise they are actually a set of single-minded cheats who will do anything to win. Neither of the major two parties has the warlike mentality that they do on a local organisational level. The constituency is festooned with orange triangles and there is barely a Tory sign to be seen. However, that should not fool anyone - in this climate, in this area, there is the dinner party vote and there is the garden shed vote. The latter, less visible, should never be underestimated.

Labour actually came second last time but have no chance here - Corbyn is toxic and despised - and the seat has become a cause celebre among Twitter's actor and comedy writer activists who believe that all Remain or anti-Tory votes in the seat should swing behind the Lib Dems. It is definitely very close between Raab and the Lib Dem, with Labour down to single figures and maybe even threatening lost deposit territory. As such there is a non-trivial chance that Raab could be unseated with a monstrous swing. He doesn't help himself - he has an atrocious record in government, comes across poorly in pretty much all public appearances and, to my knowledge from those who have had dealings with him, is a horrible prick. For a long while I thought about voting Lib Dem in order to give him a bloody nose.

However, bigger issues are at play. I'm not against Labour getting in next time, as it does need a change every decade or so, but having Seumas Milne running the government is a repulsive thought that makes me retch. If a Liberal Democrat is elected here, the only result of that will be to prop up a Labour government under Corbyn, McDonnell and Milne. I cannot play a part in that happening, so with extreme reluctance my vote will be for Dominic Raab.

Nationally, the old minefields will decide it. Will they stick with their Brexit convictions, or go back to their old tribal masters. The answer to that question will determine the outcome. Most other things are just noise.

[Lewis]

I'm not sure what that family want really. The woman bailing is understandable, so what is the government meant to do?

[Offshore Toon]

It could well be close. Vote Jez.
It won't be anywhere near close in Tottenham.

[Byron]

Norwich South looks to be a lock for Clive Lewis, so I'll probably end up voting Green.

[Baz]

It could well be close. Vote Jez.As appealing as “anyone but Boris” is, I don’t want my local council to be labour anymore.

Yeah, gonna go with green. Means nothing in the grand scheme of things, but will hopefully shake things up a bit locally.

[thommo]

I genuinely don't have a clue. I don't want to vote for any party really, I don't trust any of them, but I feel like I should still exercise my right to vote on Greens or some independent party.

To be honest, it won't matter who I vote for. Swansea East is a Labour lock. I could shit on my ballot paper for all it matters.

[Baz]

As appealing as “anyone but Boris” is, I don’t want my local council to be labour anymore.

Yeah, gonna go with green. Means nothing in the grand scheme of things, but will hopefully shake things up a bit locally.

Turns out this post was wrong. Blame this:


You don't vote for prime ministers. I *can* vote Corbyn as he's my constituency.

:rolleyes:

Labour it is, then.

[Giggles]

Green my sausage, they’ll do fuck all only make your pay packet smaller. Get Brexit done.

[Byron]

Wonder if Harold will again vote UKIP with a straight hand and firm buttocks like last time.

[Smjffy]

Well reassuringly that was busier than I anticipated at this time of morning but all done. I voted Labour and I think they are going to make massive strides today all around the country.

[Waffdon]

Héctor Bellerín for PM.

I’ll be voting SNP as there’s literally no point in voting Labour in Scotland.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My sister lives in a Lib Dem/SNP marginal. I can only begin to imagine the joy involved in that decision for a southern English person.

[Waffdon]

I live in Angus but come under Dundee East for whatever reason which will be an SNP whitewash. Angus however is currently Tory but I don’t think the farmers will be getting their way and Kirstene Hair will be punted. She’s tragic.

[niko_cee]

You'd think Boris would vote in his own constituency. Is that not the normal practice?

[-james-]

I voted Labour. I get why people don't like him but I don't get how this conservative party could be a preferable option. Shake it up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I can forgive a man for not wanting to either live in, or ever visit, Uxbridge.

[-james-]

The Tories are on the drift big time on Betfair. Still well odds on for a majority but the big boys clearly harbour a fair bit of doubt. Gwarn.

[Shindig]

I voted Labour. I get why people don't like him but I don't get how this conservative party could be a preferable option. Shake it up.

And if it doesn't work, we'll be back at the polls next year.

[Disco]

Exeter won't return anyone other than Ben Bradshaw so it almost doesn't matter how I vote. I don't dislike him though so it's easy enough to ignore the national picture.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've got a small amount on Labour minority.

Hitchin has been Tory since the 70s but Bim pissed a lot of people off by constantly siding with Brexit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Tories are on the drift big time on Betfair. Still well odds on for a majority but the big boys clearly harbour a fair bit of doubt. Gwarn.

Big boys probably greening themselves to Barbados.

If it gets much lower I might have a little tinkle, they only need a 2 majority for that to be a winner and there are several pit seats up north which are almost guaranteed Con gains.

[Spikey M]

Voted. Changed my mind and through Labour a sympathy vote. I feel dirty.

Should have done them interviews Borris.

[John Arne]

David Baddiel sent a tweet yesterday basically saying that if you vote for Labour, you hate jews. A lot of jew-haters on this forum - shame on you, Nazi's.

[Shindig]

If David Baddiel wasn't Jewish he'd have nowt else to talk about.

[Giggles]

David Baddiel sent a tweet yesterday basically saying that if you vote for Labour, you hate jews. A lot of jew-haters on this forum - shame on you, Nazi's.

As opposed to hating everyone that's brown?

[Spikey M]

David Baddiel, the Chelsea Fan.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

David Baddiel, the Chelsea Fan.

You've been rumbled you anti-Semitic bastard.

[Lewis]

I have voted, and in what must be one of the plusher (https://www.canoelakeleisure.co.uk/the-pavilion) polling stations out there. The people there said there had been a 'better than normal' turnout, but at work a few people reckoned it could just be people doing it early to avoid having to queue in the dark rather than anything unusual, so let's see.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I did it at 7.15 as it was forecast to piss with rain later. No doubt we will have the usual London thing of students wailing about the queues being long when they turn up at 9.50pm.

[Yeldoow]

I'm guessing the reported early morning queues will have a lot to do with people not wanting to have to go out later in the dark (and potentially pissing rain).

[Shindig]

I voted around 11am and had a queue to contend with. Not a massive one but I couldn't wait to get out of there. Someone shat themselves, I'm convinced of it.

[neo_hippy]

Wentworth and Dearne has been over 50% labour since forever. Very big on Brexit though so Brexit party has a chance as does the Yorkshire party (think yorkshires SNP) who I'm tempted by. No ones voting for boris.

Lib dems will get the hardcore remainers and the greens didn't even bother.

I'm voting labour for the first time

[-james-]

I think this is my fifth time voting in Glasgow north and I've never seen more than about three other voters in attendance.

[Henry]

I'm voting for SDLP, who will lose to Sinn Fein around here anyway.

They're against Brexit, would probably vote mostly with Labour and they take their goddamn seats (when they have any).

[Mike]

Voted. Now sipping my pint! All polling stations should be in pubs.

[Ian]

As opposed to hating everyone that's brown?

And foreign. And poor. And who has never been to a school posh enough to get buggered by a prefect bit then be mates with them over cigars years later

[igor_balis]

Norwich South looks to be a lock for Clive Lewis, so I'll probably end up voting Green.

Snap

[igor_balis]

Snap

Nah bollocks I'm definitely voting labour.

[mugbull]

And foreign. And poor. And who has never been to a school posh enough to get buggered by a prefect bit then be mates with them over cigars years later

:D

[Lewis]

Told you Webly is basically Scottish.

[Smjffy]

I can't wait for the count. :drool:

[niko_cee]

The fallout from a reasonable Boris majority is going to be funnier than seeing Jez trying to pilot some sort of progressive alliance.

[Smjffy]

I've gone on No overall majority @6/4, Alyn & Deeside to stick with Labour at 8/11 and small stake on a Labour minority @ 6/1.

May as well try make some dollar.

[Offshore Toon]

I ended up going for Frank Sweeney of the Workers Revolutionary Party since he made the effort to send us a flyer.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Raab is going to lose. You heard it here first.

[Ian]

I can't wait for the count. :drool:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1092451995217215490/DzhyYE8d_400x400.jpg

You're welcome.

[Boydy]

Raab is going to lose. You heard it here first.

:drool:

[Disco]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1092451995217215490/DzhyYE8d_400x400.jpg

You're welcome.

Jim Rosenthal looks good these days.

[Manc]

I've voted for Marx.

[randomlegend]

I'm hoping I get away from work in time to vote. Due to finish at 9 so should make it, but doctoring and shit y'know?

[Offshore Toon]

I've been trying to sleep to no avail. I'll give it one more shot then see what the exit polls are saying.

[Giggles]

:D

Fuck me indeed.

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[Spikey M]

1205204672673271808?s=19

The amount of people taking this for a legitimate typo is unreal.

[Smjffy]

You can sort of see why though, no?

https://i.ibb.co/9sdMBXD/1.png

[niko_cee]

Stong and sable.

[Kikó]

In Corbyn land so voted green. Plenty out to vote.

[Ian]

Stong and sable.

You're being silly.

It's *strable

[Lofty]

Rumours going round Boris could lose his seat, imagine the seethe

[Smjffy]

I'm fully anticipating the Conservatives to take a right bashing, you could argue they already have given their starting point at the beginning of this campaign. You should never underestimate the people, I would have thought this would have been learned after the referendum.

[Spikey M]

They'll get a majority, the Lib Dems will crumble and Labour will probably do similar or a little worse than last time.

[Yeldoow]

It's not going to happen but nothing would be funnier than Boris losing his seat (by one vote).

[Lewis]

Having Boris Johnson as Prime Minister from the House of Lords is the ending the lol decade deserves.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've got midpoint Con maj 10 and error 30 either side of that. Fully emotionally prepared for the exit poll to say Labour landslide majority 100 and to face the first of the firing squads in the morning.

[Kikó]

I think Jez is okay with the gays.

[Gray Fox]

Conservative majority seems a shoe-in before any sight of exit polls.

Dreaming of a hung Parliament or Labour/SNP as best case for now.

[phonics]

Anyone know where to stream the BBC outside of the UK?

[Luke Emia]

First time I’ve not voted Tory. Went Lib Dem but very nearly spoiled it. The worst thing for me is if Labour were even anywhere near the centre-ground and had any form of Brexit policy I would vote for them.

[Spikey M]

I think Jez is okay with the gays.

I don't care as long as I can have a go at the Jews. Feckin Jews. They invented Gayness.

[Lewis]

He could pass for Jewish, so you could see him getting caught up in a pogrom.

[Offshore Toon]

It feels like people are getting way ahead of themselves re Labour, but fingers crossed they're onto something.

[phonics]

I love that the Sky News bloke is bringing up monkey hanging the moment Hartlepool comes up. "Sums these people up that they're quite proud of that" he says.

[Spikey M]

Jeremy Vines Tactics Truck :drool:

[phonics]

Is that the fucking Orderrrrrrrr bloke next to Vine? It's very Fat Sam turning up on Sky after he gets sacked.

edit: That tie, he should have been sacked earlier.

[Kikó]

Rapid counting areas can do one.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I love a hexagon.

[Offshore Toon]

BBC doing the best coverage for tonight then?

[Spikey M]

368 - 191

Lol

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fuck that exit poll.

[Lewis]

It's usually Sky, but they have John Bercow on, so anyone but them.

[phonics]

Lol an absolute hammering.

[Offshore Toon]

Jesus. Fuck staying up.

[Lewis]

That'll do pig.

[phonics]

Trying to look at the positives, do you think this means I never have to see or hear from Farage ever again?

[igor_balis]

Fuckin hell

[Jimmy Floyd]

191? The Tories must have absolutely obliterated the entire north.

[Kikó]

Yeah - the north has turned to the Tories.

[phonics]

Worst Labour performance since 1935. Jeremy really recapturing that nostalgia vote.

[Lewis]

If the SNP get that many seats the Conservative Party must have basically won everywhere else.

[Yevrah]

Fuck.

[Smjffy]

:| The fuck is this?

[Lofty]

Wasnt the Referendum exit poll bobbins?

Not sure how Bozza whips them for whatever deal he brings back from the fridge regardless of that majority based on none of the leavers can agree on what Brexit is supposed to look like.

[Gray Fox]

That's a proper doomsday exit poll.

[Kikó]

Wasnt the Referendum exit poll bobbins?

Not sure how Bozza whips them for whatever deal he brings back from the fridge regardless of that majority based on none of the leavers can agree on what Brexit is supposed to look like.

Exit polls usually bang on.

[7om]

Can’t wait to see Jezza hold on for grim death tomorrow morning.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Wasnt the Referendum exit poll bobbins?

Even if it's bobbins it won't be bobbins enough.

[Lewis]

Even if it's bobbins it won't be bobbins enough.

And when they are wrong they underestimate Conservative totals.

[Shindig]

If the North turns Tory it's because they want Brexit more.

[Kikó]

Ironically, off the back of the tories starving funding and making it worse.

[Spikey M]

It always seemed pretty obvious to me. People just want Brexit to fuck off and 'get it done and let's move on' is as simple as it needed to be.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Looking forward to the Novara Media meltdown.

[Henry]

The baddies won. What the fuck is wrong with people? The future is grim.

[Giggles]

Does this mean he doesn’t need Arlene and the stonecutters?

[phonics]

He doesn't need half the freeemasons let alone that lot.

[Smjffy]

Ironically, off the back of the tories starving funding and making it worse.

I don't know if the north handle much worse than currently.

I feel sick to my stomach right now but I'm holding on to some blind faith.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The baddies won. What the fuck is wrong with people? The future is grim.

Believe me, if Labour get rid of Corbyn and all the fucking Marxists now this will be the making of them and they will win next time and the time after that.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Had one of those 'runners' tripped and faceplanted into a box that would have been incredible.

[7om]

Is there anything sadder than these guys running a military operation to declare first?

[Spikey M]

Wait, does this mean we'll need Visa's for our holidays next summer? Fuck sake.

[Yeldoow]

55 for SNP?

How many seats are there is Scotland? i.e how close are they to a clean sweep and what chances of Swinson losing her seat?

[niko_cee]

Ironically, off the back of the tories starving funding and making it worse.

I that world, at least they starved their enemies. Labour have just taken them (and others) for granted chronically and things are going full Scotland on them by the looks of it.

Silver lining has to be the end for Corbz and the chance of a sane leader winning in 5 years or whatever it'll be.

[Jimmy Floyd]

55 for SNP?

How many seats are there is Scotland? i.e how close are they to a clean sweep and what chances of Swinson losing her seat?

59 and on those numbers I would say Swinson is definitely gone.

[Lewis]

Believe me, if Labour get rid of Corbyn and all the fucking Marxists now this will be the making of them and they will win next time and the time after that.

It's their party now. It will be the same manifesto in 2023, just delivered by some hectoring fishwife.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

RIP the NHS and goodbye Scotland.

[Gray Fox]

The only hope for this is long term. Corbyn just too divisive just get elected.

With a proper clear out and more central approach, there's hope for 2024ish. I can't believe there'll be anything as dominating as Brexit come then.

[Lewis]

lol at John McDonnell. He hasn't been this gutted since Loughgall.

[7om]

McDonnell on suicide watch.

[Shindig]

It's their party now. It will be the same manifesto in 2023, just delivered by some hectoring fishwife.

Diane Abbott.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I would also say don't write off the Johnson government - the frontman may be a useless floundering cunt but he won't be making the key decisions. They know how they won this and they know where the money needs to go. This isn't an Etonion hooray jolly like the Cameron government or a useless mess like the May version.

[Lewis]

It will be New Labour with more lols and less banning things. Is that about as good as it gets these days? Who knows.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is not quite as good as Keith Vaz in 2016 but it's close.

[Kikó]

I would also say don't write off the Johnson government - the frontman may be a useless floundering cunt but he won't be making the key decisions. They know how they won this and they know where the money needs to go. This isn't an Etonion hooray jolly like the Cameron government or a useless mess like the May version.

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Probably true.

[Henry]

Believe me, if Labour get rid of Corbyn and all the fucking Marxists now this will be the making of them and they will win next time and the time after that.

Then why isn't Ed Milliband the PM?

[Gray Fox]

Suspect sandwich eating skills.

[Giggles]

So when does everyone realise that they won’t actually be sailing the seas plundering again?

[Ian]

Hooray for Team Evil I guess.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Then why isn't Ed Milliband the PM?

Different times pre-Brexit but you can't argue that these old left morons have done the business.

[Lewis]

Forty-six per cent is a mental vote share. Throw in some dodgy boundary reform and that New Labour comparison rings a bit truer next time round.

[Spikey M]

Suspect sandwich eating skills.

And his nose sounds like a Vuvuzela

[Lewis]

https://i.ibb.co/FKqg6Qw/ELnrzte-Wo-AEIn-Bc.png

:lol:

[Waffdon]

Oh well, mon the independence

[Alex]

Then why isn't Ed Milliband the PM?


Suspect sandwich eating skills.

Combined with that ridiculous, giant stone tablet.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Forty-six per cent is a mental vote share. Throw in some dodgy boundary reform and that New Labour comparison rings a bit truer next time round.

One Nation... someone will be lolling his way around the office all night.

[Lewis]

I bet he's not even there the legend. He will have known this was on two months ago.

[Gray Fox]

What's this bollocks about getting counts done fast as possible? Just do it right for fucks sake.

[7om]

I’d love Dennis Skinner to get punted out of his seat here.

[phonics]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELnu5pgXsAUWQRD.jpg

[Shindig]

What's this bollocks about getting counts done fast as possible? Just do it right for fucks sake.

Some people have to get home.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He's such a cockwomble.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Who is the other +1? Don't tell me Dominic Grieve has won.

[Yeldoow]

I guess this also banishes any hope of electoral reform for the next 10 years.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bllyth Valley have fucked it.

Bomb the shitty place.

[Ian]

Christ, we're depressing.

[Lewis]

Get lost Osama bin Lauder.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If Blyth Valley is in play then Labour are truly fucked.

If only I could tell my 2010 self that in nine years I would be sitting up watching Con gain Bolsover.

[Spikey M]

Atleast Borris is going to lose his seat.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fuck Blyth Valley, what a shithole.

[Lewis]

lol at Sandman Valley rushing it and fucking the count. Well deserved.

[Pleb]

Anyone declared yet?

[Magic]

Actually horrified at that poll.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

First blood.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Look at that twat representing the Lib Dems in Sunderland.

[Spikey M]

That Lib Dem :lol:

[Magic]

Fucking hell what a slob. :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If you're not going to wear a shirt that fits at least suck your gut in.

[7om]

That’s Lib Dems in a nutshell. What a twat.

[Gray Fox]

Blyth Valley have gone Tory. End the nightmare now.

[SvN]

Fucking hell what a slob. :D

Why are you ignoring people who actually give a shit about you in the jobs thread?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Hope the miners choke on their soggy biscuits.

[Ian]

Why are you ignoring people who actually give a shit about you in the jobs thread?

Oof.

[Magic]

Why are you ignoring people who actually give a shit about you in the jobs thread?

Because I'm so tired and mentally exhausted and behind on everything in my life I can't post an update that you guys deserve.

[Magic]

Rylan Clark Neil doing interviews on C4. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Tories taking Smiffy's seat. Oh well.

[Lewis]

I hope they don't waste this overwhelming mandate to sell the NHS to Donald Trump.

[Shindig]

I should not be in a chatroom whilst this is going on. Democracy doesn't fail because you don't get what you want.

[Waffdon]

Some of these turnout figures are a joke in England. Easy Dumbartonshire with an 80% - bye bye Jo.

[Lewis]

The seat projection is creeping up. :harold:

[Lewis]

The political wing of the British people, to coin a phrase.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is a truly glorious occasion. I'm going to be up for Laura Pidcock.

[Yevrah]

Labour have fucked this even harder than I suspected they would.

[Yevrah]

The baddies won. What the fuck is wrong with people? The future is grim.

The thing that is wrong is that Corbyn is dogshit.

If you can't see that after this result then I don't know what more evidence you need.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Leigh biting the dust, jesus this is end of days stuff.

Cummings donned you all in the end. He knows the north.

[Yevrah]

Cummings donned you all in the end. He knows the north.

He didn't. Labour being appalling is the beginning and end of this.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm afraid you're very, very wrong about that. Cameron or May wouldn't have got anywhere near this result. The strategy also managed to withstand Boris being a useless fuck throughout the campaign. You go back through all the stuff DC has been saying for two years and literally all of it is borne out tonight.

[Yevrah]

It's a completely different context, you're not comparing apples with apples.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Labour are pretty much exactly the same now as they were two years ago, why have they lost 70 seats?

[Yevrah]

Because their approach to Brexit has been useless and the electorate have rejected it.

Once again the Brexit sentiment of the electorate has been misjudged, but it was there 3 years ago and that hasn't changed.

[Yevrah]

Corbyn gone.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I thought he was going to try and stick around claiming he'd have delivered a win if it wasn't for that pesky Brexit.

[Smjffy]

Tories taking Smiffy's seat. Oh well.

Nope. Mark Tami just held on but who cares. Independent Wales it is.

[Smjffy]

Wrexham have killed themselves. Half in poverty as it is and the drug fueled cunts think the conservatives will make that better? It's the Brexit vote here but fuck me. Go fuck themselves.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Well if it's that bad they obviously haven't benefited from voting in Labour MPs for the last 84 years.

[Smjffy]

It's because we have been overloaded with foreigners over the last 10-15 years, job cuts left right and centre, more food bins than shops and places like Caia Park which really are the dregs of society but the whole area is the pits. There are no words but as I say, fuck them. Labour was best of a bad bunch.

Absolutely dreadful election but democracy be democracy so I'm going to leave it there. If they think the Maelor is bad now then they are in for a nasty surprise.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Personally I think the surprise will be this version of the Tories will try to flood those areas with money (and leave the cities to rot), but we will indeed see.

[Smjffy]

They would be better off bombing the place. I'm absolutely dumbfounded. I mean, I know we're stupid but are we really that stupid? The Tories have done absolutely nothing for us. Flintshire was first to roll out Universal Credit etc and damage the cuts done to these areas really makes me wonder what the hell people are thinking. I understood it when UKIP was a viable option but I seriously cannot fathom the reasoning behind this one other than them being uneducated cunts who blame it all on the foreigners, their lack of drugs and inability to shift their asses and work. It's a doss hole.

[Lewis]

The Ulstermen really need to stop splitting the unionist vote. lol at Jo Swinson.

[Lewis]

Bolsover going is pretty lol. It looks to me like Team Jezza will do nothing to 'own' the result as well. They will blame the newspapers and the Liberal Democrats, and then hope that Brexit isn't an issue next time round and go again.

[Giggles]

Dodds loosing his seat to a shinner :drool:

[Lewis]

Not the first time that family have benefited from an absence of loyalist collusion.

[Giggles]

Not the first time that family have benefited from an absence of loyalist collusion.

Arlene doesn’t like pacts any more apparently.

Unionism is dying in NI anyway. This is another nail.


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[Byron]

The best part is reddit. Flitting between despair and 'those working class types were too stupid to know what they are voting for'

Cunts.

[Yeldoow]

I can't believe the Conservatives held Hastings.

[Kikó]

Anecdotal evidence of a few mates that they couldn't vote Labour for Corbyn (untrustworthy) and get brexit done. Next time would vote Labour.

He's killed them.

[Yeldoow]

I can understand a lot of the criticism of Corbyn. He's been pretty shit for the last two years. He's failed in many, many ways as a leader.

I can't understand though how so many people can say they couldn't vote for him but can vote for Boris. However bad Jeremy is (and largely I'd say he comes across as incompetent and out of his depth) surely Boris is worse.

[Magic]

I might vote for independence when it comes around.

[Queenslander]

Australia is still far far far to the right of the UK.

[mugbull]

I can understand a lot of the criticism of Corbyn. He's been pretty shit for the last two years. He's failed in many, many ways as a leader.

I can't understand though how so many people can say they couldn't vote for him but can vote for Boris. However bad Jeremy is (and largely I'd say he comes across as incompetent and out of his depth) surely Boris is worse.

This is exactly the Hillary v. Trump discussions. Somehow you know what you’re getting with Trump, even if the what you’re getting is a lot worse.

[thommo]

Nope. Mark Tami just held on but who cares. Independent Wales it is.

Not a chance that happens.

[Spikey M]

Swinson lost her seat? :lol:

[Shindig]

It's because we have been overloaded with foreigners over the last 10-15 years, job cuts left right and centre, more food bins than shops and places like Caia Park which really are the dregs of society but the whole area is the pits. There are no words but as I say, fuck them. Labour was best of a bad bunch.

2018: Britain has a joint record high employment rate of 75.6% with 32.39 million people now in work according to the latest official statistics. 2019's statistics have this at 76%.

3.7% unemployment, although 7% is seen as a more accurate suggestion. Are there job cuts left and right? Absolutely. The high street's decline has been decades long, at this point. We don't manufacture like we used to. As for immigration, Britain will always be an attractive place for immigrants. As for the food bins, I hate that they've stuck around too. I can't deny Durham's gotten trampier over the past five years.

At least this defeat fucks Corbyn off into the sunset.

EDIT: Holy shit. The North really did turn. Only Durham held out because of the student vote. :D

[Waffdon]

Swinson lost her seat? :lol:

You’re welcome.

A United Ireland and independent Scotland needs to happen pronto. What a shit show.

[Waffdon]

It’s also a bit shambolic Nicola Sturgeon being the best leader by a country mile. Get Liverpool added with Scotland whilst we’re dreaming.

[Yeldoow]

But surely you have no idea what you're getting with Boris? He lies all the time and says different things to different people.

Already the discussion seems to have started on how a big majority might change how he approached Brexit, and he's banging on about being a One Nation Tory a couple of months after booting most of the One Nation Tories out the party?

[niko_cee]

I can understand a lot of the criticism of Corbyn. He's been pretty shit for the last two years. He's failed in many, many ways as a leader.

I can't understand though how so many people can say they couldn't vote for him but can vote for Boris. However bad Jeremy is (and largely I'd say he comes across as incompetent and out of his depth) surely Boris is worse.

If Corbyn had stood on a platform of increased spending in public services, perhaps with small tax rises, and a commitment to leaving the EU, he'd have won. He didn't. He wanted a return to some dystopian collectivism of the past.

People haven't voted for Boris (although I do think he is electorally quite popular) per se. They have voted against a (perceived) bigger threat. Most people just want a competent government, and one threatening to uproot the fabric of society/the economy probably doesn't scream of that.

It'll be interesting to see where this government goes. Boris really isn't some extremist demagogue. He was the mayor of liberal liberal London for pity's sake. I could well see them trying to shift to a much more centrist position in terms of public spending etc to try and pin the left out on the momentum wing forever. It'll be interesting to see where they go with their next leader. If it's one of those hectoring young women MPs, well, I can't see that going too well.

[Giggles]

But surely you have no idea what you're getting with Boris? He lies all the time and says different things to different people.

Already the discussion seems to have started on how a big majority might change how he approached Brexit, and he's banging on about being a One Nation Tory a couple of months after booting most of the One Nation Tories out the party?

You know you're getting BREXIT and for most people everything else didn't matter.

[Yevrah]

You know you're getting whatever passes for Brexit, which he hasn't lied about at all, and it's what people wanted.

The people's vote/second referendum/scrapping article 50 was rejected and these whinging fucks need to shut up and get on with it now. They've fucked it twice, and Cummings is bang on with this, they're just making it worse.

[Shindig]

It's stuff like this I don't get. We've had a Tory government for the past decade. None of this is new. The only difference is the haircut on the podium.

[niko_cee]

Not really.

The Cameron coalition did very little (other than cut, be they necessary or not), and wasn't really a Conservative government (other than being shit if that's your perspective), and they totally fucked the 2015 win with the EU thing, which May made worse. It feels like there hasn't really been a functioning government able to deliver on its manifesto for the best part of the decade. They'll have to do something positive in this term or it'll be 10 years out for them next time. Unless Labour stick Jeremy's son in charge.

[Yeldoow]

You know you're getting whatever passes for Brexit, which he hasn't lied about at all, and it's what people wanted.

:confused:


...the former foreign secretary made clear fresh regulatory and customs checks in the Irish Sea would not happen on his watch.

....

“I have to tell you no British Conservative government could or should sign up to any such arrangement,” he said to cheers from the audience.https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-conference-cheered-boris-johnson-in-titanicthemed-speech-on-brexit-38605593.html

[Shindig]

Not really.

The Cameron coalition did very little (other than cut, be they necessary or not), and wasn't really a Conservative government (other than being shit if that's your perspective), and they totally fucked the 2015 win with the EU thing, which May made worse. It feels like there hasn't really been a functioning government able to deliver on its manifesto for the best part of the decade. They'll have to do something positive in this term or it'll be 10 years out for them next time. Unless Labour stick Jeremy's son in charge.

I mean, they did try to boost wages with the national living wage, changes to income tax, etc. You're right, though. The majority aren't feeling it, Cameron got complacent and May stepped in with her worst possible foot forward. It's a Tory majority government for the first time since the 90s? I'd be fascinated to see how Boris can banish austerity whilst taking the inevitable hit from Brexit.

[Yevrah]

:confused:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-conference-cheered-boris-johnson-in-titanicthemed-speech-on-brexit-38605593.html

I meant in the context of saying he'd respect the referendum result and get it done.

[Ian]

This Lee Anderson fella who's got in in Ashby sounds like a laugh.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Labour's biggest problem for me is one of tone. The way they seem to approach things revolves around anger, bitterness and calling people racist. No one goes for that. Blair didn't build his massive election-winning vote coalition with fury and wanting to tear things down. He built it by smiling and being positive.

Caroline Lucas's winning speech overnight was, in this vein, the worst and most ill-judged response imaginable.

[Shindig]

Swinson's departure speech was very 'smacked arse' as well. NATIONALISM!

[Smjffy]

2018: Britain has a joint record high employment rate of 75.6% with 32.39 million people now in work according to the latest official statistics. 2019's statistics have this at 76%.

3.7% unemployment, although 7% is seen as a more accurate suggestion. Are there job cuts left and right? Absolutely. The high street's decline has been decades long, at this point. We don't manufacture like we used to. As for immigration, Britain will always be an attractive place for immigrants. As for the food bins, I hate that they've stuck around too. I can't deny Durham's gotten trampier over the past five years.

At least this defeat fucks Corbyn off into the sunset.

EDIT: Holy shit. The North really did turn. Only Durham held out because of the student vote. :D

I was referring specifically to my area and it's more down to Brexit than a dislike of Corbyn and his manifesto. If there had been a second referendum then Wales would have still overwhelmingly voted leave and my only hope is that it's a necessary evil just to get it done but at what cost. I have my doubts as some people just can't accept that people want to leave the European Union.

Being a 'Leaver' myself, I still went for Labour because it was the lesser of all evils in my eyes and if they had taken the possibility of remaining off the table instead of basically saying they would negotiate a new deal then actively campaign against it they would have done better. Labour lost seats but not by massive numbers. If Plaid Cymru was a bit more focused on Wales as a whole instead of the actual Welsh speaking areas then I think they might have done better but it's a nothing party.


If Corbyn had stood on a platform of increased spending in public services, perhaps with small tax rises, and a commitment to leaving the EU, he'd have won. He didn't. He wanted a return to some dystopian collectivism of the past.

People haven't voted for Boris (although I do think he is electorally quite popular) per se. They have voted against a (perceived) bigger threat. Most people just want a competent government, and one threatening to uproot the fabric of society/the economy probably doesn't scream of that.

Pretty much this tbh.


You know you're getting whatever passes for Brexit, which he hasn't lied about at all, and it's what people wanted.

The people's vote/second referendum/scrapping article 50 was rejected and these whinging fucks need to shut up and get on with it now. They've fucked it twice, and Cummings is bang on with this, they're just making it worse.

It should never have been on the table to scrap anyway. I feel like people like myself who voted leave were really hung out to dry by Labour.

What really pisses me off is once again Wales gets something it didn't vote for but alas, what can you do but accept it and crack on. I'm so glad I don't rely on the government all too much but those who do, and there are many, they will come to rue their decision.

Fuck it. It's all done and dusted so yeah. I doubt Brexit will ever get done.

[Smjffy]

Swinson's departure speech was very 'smacked arse' as well. NATIONALISM!

One of the few silver linings of the result as she is evil and completely un-electable in my opinion.

[Yevrah]

Nail on head here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd4t5wJxlVA

[Jimmy Floyd]

Every election people in various places get things they didn't vote for. It's called multiparty democracy.

[Serj]

I know it's being discussed to death every time a UK election rolls around, but the first-past-the-post system is extremely fascinating to me, as in how unrepresentative the results can seem.

The Lib Dems actually have 11.5% of the vote share, are, percentage-wise, the biggest winners of the election with a gain of over 4%, yet they have lost 10 seats and ended up with 11 out of 650. Being a Lib Dem politician in this system must feel pretty pointless sometimes.

[Yeldoow]

Has anyone seen an overall vote share % vs seat share % yet?

[Shindig]

If there had been a second referendum then Wales would have still overwhelmingly voted leave and my only hope is that it's a necessary evil just to get it done but at what cost.

Well, Wales did that the first time round. And Scotland. And Northern Ireland. England decides. That'd be the ticket for independence, really.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I know it's being discussed to death every time a UK election rolls around, but the first-past-the-post system is extremely fascinating to me, as in how unrepresentative the results can seem.

The Lib Dems actually have 11.5% of the vote share, are, percentage-wise, the biggest winners of the election with a gain of over 4%, yet they have lost 10 seats and ended up with 11 out of 650. Being a Lib Dem politician in this system must feel pretty pointless sometimes.

It fucks small, thinly-spread parties but that is also its greatest strength. If we had PR then the Brexit party would have won 15+% of the vote and would hold the balance of power, whereas the SNP would be a completely irrelevant nothingness on 4%. As it is, they can provide a strong representation for the part of the country that voted for them in large numbers.

Personally I think FPTP works very well in the UK as we are such a thoroughly diverse country. If you go to Denmark or Austria then it is probably a lot more homogeneous even if there are regional variatons, so PR makes sense there.

[Lewis]

I'm seeing a lot of hand-wringing about Our Precious Union, as if leaving the European Union doesn't make Scottish independence even more impractical than it was in 2014. Every question that cost them then becomes almost impossible once we're out. I think any second referendum up there would be even more decisive.

[niko_cee]

Shame Frank Field went under the party machine, but seeing the rest of the tiggers/turncoat wankers getting turfed out is pretty lol.

[Jimmy Floyd]

#tacticalvoting had an absolute field day in various London seats as well. Take Kensington:

Con 16,768
Lab 16,618
LD 9,312

All aboard the tactics truck.

[niko_cee]

Cities of London & Westminster

Conservative - Nickie Aiken Votes: 17,049
Liberal Democrat - Chuka Umunna Votes: 13,096
Labour - Gordon Nardell Votes: 11,624

:harold:

[Lewis]

Similarly, why did the Green Party even contest this election beyond Brighton?

[Lewis]

I just hope this isn't the end of Grace Blakeley and the fit Indian one on our screens.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The main problem in the #RemainAlliance seemed to be that Labour categorically wouldn't stand aside anywhere, and so they didn't see why they should reciprocate. Even in my manor Labour still got two and a half thousand votes (Raab won by 2,800 in the end - orange diamonds going in landfill shortly).

[-james-]

Did Farage's lot do the Tories more harm than good in the end? A few of the seats I saw come in last night would have [presumably] swung from Labour to Conservative if the Brexit Party candidate hadn't stood.

[Lewis]

They also won seats because the Nigel Party took thousands of Labour votes (they nearly cost them East Hull which would have been unbelievable), so it probably balances out across the board since the leave vote wouldn't necessarily have broke their way (as in 2017).

[Henry]

The thing that is wrong is that Corbyn is dogshit.

If you can't see that after this result then I don't know what more evidence you need.

He is not dogshit. He faced an unprecedented campaign of abuse from both the media and from his own party from the moment he got the job.
What he is is a principled guy who built the membership quite remarkably and ran on great policies. He fell down on Brexit very badly and in general was probably unsuited for leadership, lacking somewhat in charisma and in political smarts. One hopes that whoever takes over retains at least some of the good stuff and doesn't revert to centrist technocracy. Otherwise what is the fucking point?

[Henry]

Other thoughts.

There is an almighty battle forthcoming between the Tories and SNP on Scottish Independence. And in addition to being essentially left behind in the EU, Northern Ireland has just returned more nationalist MP's than unionist MP's for the first time ever. (Nigel Dodds lost his seat LOL.) So the precious union is fucked.

Regarding the NHS, no, they won't "sell the NHS to Donald Trump", that's an oversimplification for electioneering.
But - while maintaining the principle that it's free at the point of access - they will sell bits of it off to be run privately. They will agree new rules that allow pharmaceuticals to charge it higher prices. They will underfund it. They will agree to secret investor-state courts where American corporations can sue for not getting access to the market. They will make private healthcare more appealing to those who can afford it.
And when all's said and done, and it's gone to shit and everyone is angry about it, then they will sell it off. It's always the same playbook.

Boris is just a chancer I suppose but he's surrounded by all of these hard right scumbags. I can't decide who is worse between Raab, Patel & IDS.
Some are suggesting he'll pivot to the centre and we'll have a softer Brexit. I hope so, because the suspicion is that these pricks and those who finance them are interested in wrecking things because they can make a few quid from it. The notion that they'll go over the cliff edge if they don't have a trade deal in 11 months supports this.