TTH Exit Poll - 2019 General Election

[John]

He is not dogshit. He faced an unprecedented campaign of abuse from both the media and from his own party from the moment he got the job.
What he is is a principled guy who built the membership quite remarkably and ran on great policies. He fell down on Brexit very badly and in general was probably unsuited for leadership, lacking somewhat in charisma and in political smarts. One hopes that whoever takes over retains at least some of the good stuff and doesn't revert to centrist technocracy. Otherwise what is the fucking point?

So he was out of his depth, failed 'very badly' on the single biggest issue of the day, and he isn't charismatic or good at politics. How does that make him anything other than a dogshit party leader?

[Spikey M]

I feel a bit sorry for Jezza. He's probably the most genuine front-bencher of the lot, but that's probably what cost him in the end. People don't want genuine, they want snappy populist slogans.

[Lewis]

He's a genuine retard.

[Henry]

I feel a bit sorry for Jezza. He's probably the most genuine front-bencher of the lot, but that's probably what cost him in the end. People don't want genuine, they want snappy populist slogans.

This. The word "dogshit" is therefore inappropriate.

Moreover, anyone running on a lefty platform will face the same slanders and malevolency from the establishment. The hammer comes down very hard on such people. It's not clear that there is anyone in politics who could have successfully resisited.
By contrast had Corbyn been a Blairite he wouldn't have faced the same torrent of shit and his weaknesses may not have been exposed to the same degree.

[Lewis]

I've barely heard a word about things Boris Johnson has said/done in the past these last few months.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Boris doesn't want to gas the Jews though.

[Yevrah]

I feel a bit sorry for Jezza. He's probably the most genuine front-bencher of the lot, but that's probably what cost him in the end. People don't want genuine, they want snappy populist slogans.

People are morons and there are fuckloads of them. It's the job of a party leader to convince them and he's failed to do so twice now, this time, spectacularly so.

[Kikó]

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Pretty much sums it up.

[Yevrah]

That might be the first contest Corbyn has won.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

But I thought it was only due to Brexit?

[Giggles]

Boris doesn't want to gas the Jews though.

Is there a massive difference between wanting to gas Jews and wanting to gas everyone that’s brown?

[Lewis]

I'm not sure how you can separate 'the leadership' from their Brexit/economic policies as that poll neatly suggests. I find it hard to believe that people would otherwise welcome the country turning into East Germany with a different face on the jar, so reports about Wor Jezza coming up on the doorstep time and time again seems like either a) a way for all the twats who were fully on board this time yesterday to wash their hands of it; or b) voter shorthand for calling the full party a bunch of retards, which would obviously include the policies.

[niko_cee]

Is there a massive difference between wanting to gas Jews and wanting to gas everyone that’s brown?

The browns don't head up a global conspiracy via the media and financial markets.

[Spikey M]

As long as the browns in question are Muslim you can get away with a surprising amount.

[Lewis]

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:lewis:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Is there a massive difference between wanting to gas Jews and wanting to gas everyone that’s brown?

*Coloureds.

Society hates them so no big deal.

[Spikey M]

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[Lewis]

I'm seeing a bit of reassurance that the Conservatives only increased their vote by fuck all, and therefore... You crack on lads.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07xsk78

:D

[Lewis]

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-labour-leader

When you look at them on paper. Christ. Anyone from 2014 can get 100/1 on Dan Jarvis if they fancy it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Who is the best Jewish person they can put into power so they can claim they're no longer anti-Semitic?

I reckon it will be Jess Phillips though, if she wants it.

[Shindig]

Ken Livingstone.

[Lewis]

Jess Phillips has spent the past two years shitting on 'Jeremy' at every possible opportunity [and then campaigning to make him Prime Minister], so the membership will lol her candidacy into the bin. It will be Rebecca Mong-Bailey or Angela Rayner. The latter would represent a slightly trickier wicket for Wor Boris, with her single mother gimmick, but he would still lol her into the ground within about six months.

[niko_cee]

Stephen Kinnock surely the natural follow-on candidate after this Foot-esque performance from Corbz & Co.

Keir Starmer is a such a mook.

Andy Burnham's got to fancy it at some point. He's always looked the sort who really rates himself (Brendan Rodgers style). Guess he's got to get back into Parliament first though.

[Lewis]

I once saw Keir Starmer called a 'chubby man with a thin man's haircut' and I haven't been able to shake that image since.

[Shindig]

Andy Burnham's got to fancy it at some point. He's always looked the sort who really rates himself (Brendan Rodgers style). Guess he's got to get back into Parliament first though.

He's not looked great in his last leadership challenge but that could be said of anyone that wasn't Corbyn.

[Spikey M]

Who is the best Jewish person they can put into power so they can claim they're no longer anti-Semitic?

I reckon it will be Jess Phillips though, if she wants it.

It's a shame Blair is a War Criminal, because he was a Bessie with Israel.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

According to Wiki the only Labour Jews are Ruth Smeeth who lost in Stoke on Trent North, Alex Sobel (Labour Co-op though) and...

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5bbf73de1f0000a1022594b9.jpeg?cache=dgGy2HekDo&ops=scalefit_720_noupscale

I guess it's time for a glorious comeback.

[Spikey M]

His nose surgery will make him a certainty.

because of the way he talked, not the way it looks, you racist cunts.

[Lewis]

I'm not sure any Jew worth their kosher salt could sanction the spending in their manifesto.

[Spikey M]

If the Tories had appointed Daniel Levy they'd have won every seat and we'd all be happily eating gruel.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

His nose surgery will make him a certainty.

because of the way he talked, not the way it looks, you racist cunts.

Eating bacon makes him a traitor though anyway, sadly.

[Lewis]

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[Jimmy Floyd]

I have long thought Angela Rayner should be their next leader and I still think it now. She's tough, she's northern, she will make an awkward juxtaposition with Johnson, and she probably isn't as useless as most of them.

Long-Bailey would do even worse than Corbyn, and Keir Starmer is a slimy fuck complicit in this disaster.

[Lewis]

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*packs bunting away*

[Jimmy Floyd]

Some of the mental gymnastics going on are pretty wonderful, although the '53% voted for Remain parties' is even better in my view.

Hezza has stood down but AC Grayling is tripling/quadrupling down, the ones still clinging on must have some sort of medical condition.

As for Labour, talk that the continuity candidate will be a Long-Bailey/Burgon 'dream ticket', not sure whose dreams they are referring to. I reckon that might beat Starmer if our Momentum heroes get moving, and in that case they're well on their way to actually sinking the party and forcing some kind of equally shit Macron breakaway.

[Smjffy]

:D What a flange.

[Spikey M]

I've been blocked by him for about 3 years. The little diva.

[Smjffy]

Aye, he just blocked me too. :D Idiot.

[Shindig]

It's one of the reasons why I don't make a song and dance about follows. Just click the button and move on. Don't make a stand because it's just the internet. Stan's a proper steampot.

[Smjffy]

It irritates me that people still whinge and moan after the result. You can't change it from behind a keyboard by ranting and raving. Be active, I say and who knows, in five years it could be different but that will require massive changes.

Plaid Cymru are another one, they claim to represent Wales, they don't.

[Yevrah]

The number gymnastics is embarrassing. Do these people never want to win again?

[Lewis]

They did win if you really think about it.

[Lewis]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/we-won-the-argument-but-i-regret-we-didnt-convert-that-into-a-majority-for-change

:gs:

[Lewis]

Elsewhere, massive respect for this lass (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/britains-youngest-mp-vows-only-21094591) putting up and being a proper socialist.

[Yevrah]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/we-won-the-argument-but-i-regret-we-didnt-convert-that-into-a-majority-for-change

:gs:

He is literally killing the Labour Party now.

Seriously Henners, we need an opposition, please can you stop this.

[Pepe]

Elsewhere, massive respect for this lass (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/britains-youngest-mp-vows-only-21094591) putting up and being a proper socialist.

I thought that proper socialists hated charity.

[Lewis]

She's doing her best.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Presumably their leadership election is going to end up being between a Corbynuity candidate (Long-Bailey probs), a London twathead remainer candidate (Starmer or Lammy), and a not-Momentum northern candidate (let's say Rayner). Who will win that given their voting rules?

I think Lammy is smart enough to know where his ceiling is and that he would be exposed as a useless wanker on the national stage, so I imagine it'll be Keir Starmer and his disturbing haircut to take on the sparrows.

[Magic]

I saw someone suggest Jess Philips. In this populist world who in their right mind would vote for her?

[Baz]

Andy Burnham tho

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jess Phillips is a gobshite, reminds me of Gary Neville.

I lolled at this in the Times:


As the minutes passed to 10pm, when the polls closed, the team members gave their predictions. At the back of the room Dominic Cummings, the architect of Vote Leave campaign’s success in 2016, scrawled 359 on the sheet, characteristically the most bullish of all. It would mean a majority of 68. Lee Cain, Johnson’s spin doctor, went for a majority of 30.

He's living in all our heads rent-free.

[Lewis]

I had a search of 'Classic Dom' on the night and it was a bit quiet.

[Lewis]

He even chucked them e-mails about the referendum being 'open to abuse' out the other day to rub the seethe in.

[Lofty]

Johnson's first priorities are abolishing the fixed term parliament act and redrawing constituency boundaries to 600, effectively cementing himself a decade long reign unless he really fucks this up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Ah the classic game of (my least favourite party) is gerrymandering the boundaries to rig the next election but when (my favourite party) did it last time it was totally justified.

People waste a lot of air on process and electoral system. Everyone starts the day on nought.

[Giggles]

Ah the classic game of (my least favourite party) is gerrymandering the boundaries to rig the next election but when (my favourite party) did it last time it was totally justified.

People waste a lot of air on process and electoral system. Everyone starts the day on nought.

Sounds a bit like Arlenes sudden issue with electoral pacts (when they don’t work out for her).

[Lewis]

I'm all aboard for reducing the number of constituencies, but there is something in the criticism of doing them on voter numbers rather than population. It's probably worth the chimp out though so whatever.

[Lewis]

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:kebab:

[Jimmy Floyd]

He even chucked them e-mails about the referendum being 'open to abuse' out the other day to rub the seethe in.

Someone in Carole's life needs to tell her it's over, or else she's going to end up like that Japanese colonel who wouldn't come out of the jungle until 1973.

[Yevrah]

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1206126669616107521

Those look like the words of a man who isn't going anywhere. :nono:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Corbynism will rule the world one day.

[Gray Fox]

Hasn't he always said he would only ever step away if he's beaten in a leadership vote?

[Giggles]

Ozil :harold:

Corbyn?

[Shindig]

Twice in one day. The lad's in bits.

[Byron]

Presumably their leadership election is going to end up being between a Corbynuity candidate (Long-Bailey probs), a London twathead remainer candidate (Starmer or Lammy), and a not-Momentum northern candidate (let's say Rayner). Who will win that given their voting rules?

I think Lammy is smart enough to know where his ceiling is and that he would be exposed as a useless wanker on the national stage, so I imagine it'll be Keir Starmer and his disturbing haircut to take on the sparrows.

All depends on if the PLP can withstand the calls to put a Corbynista in the running, if they do end up giving Momentum their way then it'll be more Corbynism, since these 18 year old students ran across the drawbridge when memberships were £3 and pulled it up as soon as Corbyn faced any sort of challenge.

As for who I want, I've always been a fan of Starmer but the next leader is likely to be a woman and if that's the case I'd prefer Rayner. If Mong-Bailey or Burgon (aka the moron's moron) are anywhere near running I'll end up having to join another party.

[Shindig]

The student vote isn't enough. Surely they've seen that with this election?

[Jimmy Floyd]

You only need 21 MPs to get on the ballot so I'm sure 'Becky' will find herself on it.

[Yeldoow]

I think it's pretty nailed on that whoever is the next Labour leader won't be winning the next election.

[Spikey M]

Unless BoJo does something completely mental, which isn't outside the realms.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He will only give fuel to our dreams. Maths taught in Latin. Adultery on the NHS. Stairs to the moon. We are all his children now.

[niko_cee]

This brouhaha between Flint and Thornberry is quite funny. The problem dear old Emily has is that, regardless of whether she made those comments or not, they are the sort of thing you could well imagine her saying.

[Yevrah]

Indeed. She’s a hideous human being.

[Lewis]

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I wondered why they were keeping those chumps in government, when I should have known it was just MIND GAMES. :drool:

[niko_cee]

Did Zac Goldsmith lose again or did he not stand? I was confused when I realised the other day that he'd actually managed to win his seat back in 2017.

[Yeldoow]

Lost again.

[niko_cee]

That's a fucked up seat. 2015, in. 2016, out. 2017, back in again. 2019 out again. The ultimate non-bell-weather by the looks of it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I wondered why they were keeping those chumps in government, when I should have known it was just MIND GAMES. :drool:

'If I ever manage to gain control of number ten'

:harold:

Richmond Park is the worst. An enclave of the worst kind of luvvyism. Almost a full constituency of people who talk a good game but have never experienced any kind of difficulty in their lives. Neighbouring Twickenham and Kingston also persistently return Lib Dems, and the disease nearly spread across the river to Esher this time - it's a little triangle of overprivileged scum. People are incredibly prosperous, but, being on the rich edge of London, have had to culturally align themselves to political correctness in order to keep their oh-so-important lives on track. Prosperous people in the rest of the country vote Tory, but these guys think they're too good for that - they don't vote Labour, of course, so the Lib Dems are a wonderful get-out option which allows them to keep all their money but also continue to feel morally superior to other parts of the country where people don't have it all on a plate.

I think Richmond Park was something like 77% Remain, which sums it all up really. Just a few miles south, a few miles west and a few miles north there are Leave constituencies.

Zac got in a couple of times because he opposed Heathrow expansion (obviously in NIMBY central, couldn't have those house prices affected by plane noise), Tories will never win there again.

[Smjffy]

It's hard to disagree with that in regards to Richmond Park. When I lived and worked there the difference between North Wales and there was like night and day although even then I spoke to more supposed 'Leavers' than 'Remainers' so it was a surprise to see how high a percentage voted to stay in.

Just the sight of your average Joe spending more in the pub in one afternoon than most around here would earn in a week was a little disheartening if I'm honest. Very nice and friendly people though.

[phonics]

Zac Goldsmith is the personification of late-stage capitalism.

Only real job he's worked was at a magazine owned by a family friend (or was it his Dad?), goes into politics where the only impact he makes is failing to achieve the only thing he was vocal about, loses twice, becomes a Lord.

Start with money and it is impossible to throw it away. A whole generation of idiots constantly failing upwards.

[Queenslander]

Failing upwards is a human right down here.

[Yevrah]

Corbyn stood in Parliament yesterday, after presiding over one of the worst political campaigns and outcomes in all of human history is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen.

Presumably it hasn’t twigged with him yet that by being there he does more good for the Tories than his own party.

[Kikó]

What's the worst that could happen from that? He can't lose the election again.

[phonics]

Corbyn stood in Parliament yesterday, after presiding over one of the worst political campaigns and outcomes in all of human history is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen.

Presumably it hasn’t twigged with him yet that by being there he does more good for the Tories than his own party.

The next election isn't for five years. Calm down.

[Lewis]

It was worth it for his sad little gloat that the Labour Party has more female MPs. Somebody should get him a trophy made up for that.

[Yevrah]

What's the worst that could happen from that? He can't lose the election again.

Might as well leave him there forever then.

As summed up by Blair, the party need to move on from him and his wankery as soon as possible or die, having him and his abject failure hanging around isn't good for anyone. He should have no influence on where the party goes from here. None.

[Lewis]

It's far too late for that.

[phonics]

Ah yes, incredibly popular man of the people Tony Blair. That's who I'm listening to.

[Yevrah]

Ah yes, incredibly popular man of the people Tony Blair.

He won three elections. He knows what he's talking about and he knows the hard work it takes to dislodge a sitting government.

Corbyn presided over handing Boris a majority of first term landslide proportions, on the back of the Conservatives being inept for most of the last nine years.

[Yevrah]

It's far too late for that.

Care to elaborate?

[Lewis]

The party machinery is in the hands of cranks, the new MPs are mostly cranks, and then you have the crank membership. Even if Keir Starmer or some other 'moderate' goon becomes leader they will still end up having a load of mental shit forced on them by the party conference.

[phonics]

He won three elections. He knows what he's talking about and he knows the hard work it takes to dislodge a sitting government.

20 years ago maybe. What the fuck does Tony Blair know about the common man nowadays? The poorest person he's probably talked to in the last 10 years probably earns in excess of 100k a year.

[Yevrah]

And ultimately, while I'd have never voted for Corbyn it's hugely unhealthy for a sitting party to have been this inept yet been in power for so long, let alone have a majority of the size they do. They need an opposition.

And for all my Facebook feed being full of people saying Tory voters need to own what they've done, the individual with the highest level of culpability for a Tory majority that will ultimately see them now do what the fuck they please is Jeremy Corbyn.

I don't know why people, all people, can't see this. Given the context it's a political failure of previously unseen proportions and it's like people are burying their heads in the sand over it.

[Yevrah]

20 years ago maybe. What the fuck does Tony Blair know about the common man nowadays?

A damn site more than a plank who has just handed the Tories an 80 seat majority.

Do you not see the scale of failure here and what that means?

[phonics]

Ah yes, I'm defending Jeremy Corbyn now because I said, 'No-one will care that he was there a couple of months, five years from now'

What a full throated defense.

[Yevrah]

Ah yes, I'm defending Jeremy Corbyn now because I said, 'No-one will care that he was there a couple of months, five years from now'

What a full throated defense.

They will if he continues to influence things. If you're cool with that then maybe you're not bothered about all of the injustice in the UK after all.

[phonics]

What does continue to influence things mean?

What is there to influence?

[Yevrah]

He's still running the party.

[phonics]

I'll say it again. There's not an election for five years.

You didn't answer the question. What will he be influencing between now and 3 months from now that will affect the election five years from now?

[Yevrah]

I'll say it again. There's not an election for five years.

You didn't answer the question. What will he be influencing between now and 3 months from now that will affect the election five years from now?

The appointment of a new leader for one.

[phonics]

The appointment of a new leader for one.

You realise it's a vote by members right? And here is how you get on the ballot:

• Each candidate needs 10% of Labour MPs/MEPs to back them
• Plus nominations from unions or 5% of constituency parties
• Labour members / supporters each get 1 vote & rank candidates in order of preference

In what way does him being the leader or not change how much influence he has?

[Yevrah]

So you don't think he'll be doing any canvassing to help people get support? And if he's influencing nothing while being there, why is he there?

[phonics]

Do you think he wouldn't be doing that if he wasn't leader?

Yev, my entire point is 'It doesn't matter' you're yet to even explain one reason it will.

[Yevrah]

Do you think he wouldn't be doing that if he wasn't leader?

Having him as leader makes that far easier.

[phonics]

How?

I'm just trying to get some very basic answers here Yev and you're not really nailing it.

[Yevrah]

I've answered all of the questions, the reality is that you still won't have any criticism of him, despite what he's done. Don't worry, you're not alone.

[phonics]

What the fuck are you on about? I've literally never voted for him :cab: All I said is, it doesn't matter.

[Yevrah]

You think it doesn't matter because you think he's a force for good and you can't get your head around him being the exact opposite. You think he's good, why would there be any problem with him hanging around as a result?

[phonics]

What an absolutely fucking mental leap you've taken there. Did a quick search for my last few posts about Corbyn. These are them.


The only subject on which Corbyn has the right answer (get rid of the Royal Family) and will refuse to say it.


This is a large percent of my issue with him and the cabinet. The policies are good (however unrealistic you think they are) but does everyone have to be such a twat or nobody about it?


Too much of a pussy to piss off the commies and their fucking stupid 'Lexit' ideas so chooses not to make a decision.

Easy to be politically brave as a backbencher, what a coward.


Clearly I'm in the JEZ WE CAN brigade.

[Smjffy]

This perception that people didn't vote Labour solely because of Jeremy Corbyn is an odd one for me. I'm of belief it was more to do with people just wanting to get Brexit over and done with.

Brainwashed.

[Yevrah]

Clearly I'm in the JEZ WE CAN brigade.

Fair point with the quotes Phonics.

[Yevrah]

This perception that people didn't vote Labour solely because of Jeremy Corbyn is an odd one for me. I'm of belief it was more to do with people just wanting to get Brexit over and done with.

Brainwashed.

It would have been a lot closer with Labour having a coherant position on Brexit, but the reality is that after 9 years of mostly shite from the Tories it should have been a landslide for Labour, not the other way around.

[Smjffy]

I agree it would have been a lot closer if their stance on Brexit had been clearer but I think you forget about the 2017 GE and how well they did there with Corbyn. I think they would have fared even better back then too if it wasn't for the fact that inparty fighting seemed to rear its ugly head.

No one seemed to care back then about Corbyns history and some of the policies in that manifesto were very popular. This GE's even more so.

I don't think your statement is reality and it's more that they were the only party offering to get Brexit done. The Brexit Party gaining so many votes was telling too as I can imagine those who voted for them did so because they didn't want to vote Conservatives and couldn't vote Labour given their stance on leaving, or rather negotiating a new deal (more time) then campaigning to remain anyway.

Labour left as it is will get more votes in the next GE even if nothing much changes with the party itself unless of course the Conservatives suddenly do something the party has never done and look out for the majority, invest and improve the areas they have recently won seats in.

It's just a strange thought process to have I feel and it's not so black and white.

[Kikó]

Labour reverted to the mean. They hit 40% of the vote share last time out.

Combination of "Don't trust Jezza" and "Get Brexit done" was enough but the Tories didn't really change the number of people who voted for them.

[Yevrah]

I think you forget about the 2017 GE and how well they did there with Corbyn..

I remember it well and this is where your point falls down. "Doing well" still saw him 50 seats short of a majority.

That the 2017 election was hailed as some sort of success or a good result for Labour just shows you how shit deep down people really think he is.

[Yevrah]

Labour reverted to the mean. They hit 40% of the vote share last time out.

Combination of "Don't trust Jezza" and "Get Brexit done" was enough but the Tories didn't really change the number of people who voted for them.

This is a nonsense too. The general election isn't decided by vote share and until it is it's utterly meaningless bringing it up. The only reason people do is to polish a turd when it suits their polishing argument.

[Kikó]

40% is a ridiculously high vote share at any UK election.

You've got some bizarre notion that I'm also defending pro-Corbyn so you knock yourself out. Continue having the argument with yourself.

[Spikey M]

That poor broom is getting the shit kicked out of it tonight.

[Yevrah]

40% is a ridiculously high vote share at any UK election.

It's the same argument GS used to use to defend "Rafa". "We would have won the league with that points total in any other season".

You didn't hold any truck with it then so you shouldn't be now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Vote share is such an irrelevance, to win a General Election in this country you need to have a broad appeal among different types of what are now called 'communities'. Corbyn has presided over concentrating all of their appeal on urban middle class and ethnic minorities, in every other strand of society they are dropping like a stone.

In 2017 Theresa May also failed to appeal to enough different sectors of the country, but Boris Johnson succeeded in broadening his party's appeal and that's how they won. An overall vote share rise of only 1.5% or whatever it is doesn't speak to that, but that and not the vote share is what counts in our system.

[phonics]

Yev you have to stop thinking every one who pushes back at you is some Corbynista. You're just making shitty points.

[Yevrah]

Yev you have to stop thinking every one who pushes back at you is some Corbynista. You're just making shitty points.

I'm making excellent points. Did you miss the vote share one?

[Lewis]

In terms of the day-to-day running of the country I reckon it's only really been two years of ineptitude, and that was largely down to not being willing or able to do anything else. The coalition was probably about as good as it could have been in the circumstances. I think Boris - which I am going to start calling him without any irony - will be pretty good, albeit with far too much pissing money up the wall for my tastes.

[Smjffy]

You get the sense with Boris Johnson that he'll just make it as he goes along before tangling himself up in his web of lies. Unfortunately with no reasonable opposition and a Conservative majority to boot, he'll probably get away with it too.

In my mind, you just write off everything until Brexit done. No investment in public services, the 30,000 extra nurses etc that won't arrive, the NHS slowly but surely being sold off on the sly and whatever other rubbish is involved but leaving the EU is probably the most important issue so as there can be no excuses thereafter as I do feel the GE this time round was pretty much another referendum.

I prefer to play it safe and just brace yourself for the worse and be pleasantly surprised if that doesn't materialise. If he had any nous about him though he would invest heavily up north and with immediate effect as by doing so he may actually retain the voters who decided to go blue for the first time. If he doesn't, they'll return to Labour and still, nothing will change. I'd rather get away from the bitterness that lingers around the vote as it's been too many years of the same conversation and seemingly very little action.

I imagine we'll end up leaving the EU without a deal, face a few more years of uncertainty, struggle to put in place new deals with the rest of the world and see our public services grind to a halt. The really fucked up thing is it's Corbyn who would have sent us back to the stone ages apparently when it could be quite the opposite.

Fully expecting riots, deaths, military on the streets and a defunct parliament before the next GE.

[Shindig]

Replace riots with 'demonstrations and petitions' and you might be right. Even Gina Miller's packed in.

[Lewis]

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That's pretty good.

[Smjffy]

Less than week in and the backtracking already starts with the national living wage.

[Lewis]

https://i.ibb.co/MhPmW3s/NINTCHDBPICT000548837874.jpg

#2019 #GetBrexitDone

[Queenslander]

:lol:

Much better than Scummo's shit cunt smirk.

[randomlegend]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/20/doctors-told-to-use-least-unsafe-option-in-norwich-hospital?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#maincontent

Lol.

This is where I work.

[Spikey M]

Isn't 'least unsafe' another way of saying 'safest'?

[randomlegend]

Isn't 'least unsafe' another way of saying 'safest'?

Not really, because it's acknowledging that all the options are unsafe.

EDIT: I suppose it technically is, but in the same way as asking which is best disease to have, inoperable cancer or full blown AIDs.

[Spikey M]

Is it? I feel like pretty much everything a hospital does is dangerous to some extent, from giving a couple of paracetamol to scooping someone's insides out. Given the choice, I'd like the 'least unsafe' solution to my problem possible.

[Lewis]

It means keeping the clammy-handed sicknote away from the [other] patients.

[Shindig]

Hang tight, lad. I'm sure Trump's sending us some American doctors as part of the trade deal.

[randomlegend]

Is it? I feel like pretty much everything a hospital does is dangerous to some extent, from giving a couple of paracetamol to scooping someone's insides out. Given the choice, I'd like the 'least unsafe' solution to my problem possible.

I think it's fairly obvious the implication is they were having to choose between what would normally be considered 5th, 6th and 7th safest options (for example).

[Giggles]

If Arlene has really been having an affair with her driver, how hard up must the poor cunt of a lad be?

[Spikey M]

What does she need a driver for? They've not had a functioning Parliament for donkeys.

[Giggles]

For the same reason the whole shower can keep getting paid for doing nothing. Because she can.

[Giggles]

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[phonics]

These graphs are mental. The country will be broken for a good two-three election cycles

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[mugbull]

It's the Trump effect. He has more soft power than anyone realizes.

[Byron]

I just really like the fact that Brighton would still stay Green under that scenario.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's the Trump effect. He has more soft power than anyone realizes.

Don't think so, every western country has their own Trump or similar lightning rod for those who have not benefited from globalisation in the last 30 years.

[Shindig]

It's more a Brexit effect.

[mugbull]

Old people haven’t suddenly been fobbed off in the last 10 years. They’re essentially just propaganda receptors waiting for the Douglas Murray type to make it in politics to activate then

[Lewis]

I'm not sure how much winning and losing from 'globalisation' applies across the board. As a few people pointed out the other week, you are more likely to own (or reasonably aspire to own) your own home in a 'deprived' area than you are in London, so you can easily make the case that the average Stoke-on-Workington mouth-breather is better off in real terms than the Citizens of the World in Central London revelling in winning at globalisation from the comfort of their thousand quid a month rathole.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's not about money though in this case, it's about feelings.

[Lewis]

Then they are fucked.

[niko_cee]

You could say the over 65s have only shunned Labour in the last two elections because they can actually remember the last time we had the sort of government Jez was promising, and weren't as bang up for it as the under-25 fuckwit brigade. Just get someone to promise them their pensions, a few other perks, and no return to the 1970s and enough of them will come back.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They need a broad church approach though. If they double down on thinking their policies are good, they will get an even bigger moshing next time. They were quite fortunate to get as many seats as they did, loads of tiny majorities to defend next time.

[Yevrah]

You could say the over 65s have only shunned Labour in the last two elections because they can actually remember the last time we had the sort of government Jez was promising, and weren't as bang up for it as the under-25 fuckwit brigade. Just get someone to promise them their pensions, a few other perks, and no return to the 1970s and enough of them will come back.

That's exactly why they've done it.

[phonics]

Except that would go completely against all the stated reasons in polling. Policy was something like 12% of the swing according to polls.

[Yevrah]

What, with 'not voting for Corbyn' appearing top?

[Lewis]

'I really, really want all of the things in the Labour manifesto; but Jeremy Corbyn looks like a tramp, so I'll shoot myself in the face and vote for the exact opposite.'

[Yevrah]

Yep.

They hated him and his politics. Brexit didn't help, but if Labour are thinking about doubling down on that being the reason we could have a Tory government for the rest of my life.

[Byron]

Yep, it's idiotic.

Some of the Labour policies have popular support. Train nationalisation, more public spending, oil and gas windfall tax.

But then they start throwing stuff like free broadband, workers on company boards, secondary picketing and it all makes them look like mentalists. Plus it also confuses people so they don't know what freebie is being offered that week.

You win from the centre ground and then pull the country in the direction you want, if they go for RLB or Lewis for next leader then you can write off Labour for the next two elections at least.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They also messaged it like a load of bollocks, first putting their manifesto out and then chucking more shit on top of that on a day by day basis. I saw a great line somewhere last week which summed it all up perfectly: 'People want a hand up, not a handout.'

I also saw a leak which suggested Seumas Milne thought that the polls could be ignored because Labour had 'defeated' polling last time. Love ya Seumas.

[Byron]

Ignoring the fact that last time, Corbyn was a relative unknown going against the most idiotic and robotic campaign in Tory history since Howard.

The entire upper echelon needs to be sacked off and sent to the Gulag. Really makes me wish for another Blair.

[Spikey M]

FREE BROADBAND was a load of shit straight from the off. As is anything that parties offer with a 10 year delivery time.

[Shindig]

Ignoring the fact that last time, Corbyn was a relative unknown going against the most idiotic and robotic campaign in Tory history since Howard.

The entire upper echelon needs to be sacked off and sent to the Gulag. Really makes me wish for another Blair.

Yeah. There's just no confidence to it any more. No strength in leadership, no clear vision. And we won't produce another decent young politician because they're all on twitter arguing with Phonics.

[Yevrah]

Hold the back page. It's all sorted now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50888060

Thank fuck for that.

[SvN]

This is all setup for a triumphant Blair return.

[niko_cee]

That's a great picture.

Blair will never return.

The great tragedy for Corbz is that it was all there for him in 2016 and he bottled it.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Yep.

They hated him and his politics. Brexit didn't help, but if Labour are thinking about doubling down on that being the reason we could have a Tory government for the rest of my life.

What are you talking about Yev?

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[SincereTheRebel]

I should really force education on myself with politics. Given my age, but I have very little interest. I still want to practice wrestling moves and eat cereal straight out the box with no milk.

[John]

A variety pack box of Frosties eaten like crisps is a joyous thing.

[Lewis]

Not only do I really hope Nigel Farage gets his knighthood, but I would love it - love it - if it subsequently emerged that he had been promised it before the election.

[Kikó]

Why do you think that's a good thing?

[mo]

Why do you think that's a good thing?

Presumably for the reaction it would generate.

[niko_cee]

Having a Knight of the Realm as a hype man would probably go down well with Trump supporters.

[Spikey M]

Knighthoods seem to be reserved for arseholes these days, so he'll fit right in.

[phonics]

These days?

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://dominiccummings.com/2020/01/02/two-hands-are-a-lot-were-hiring-data-scientists-project-managers-policy-experts-assorted-weirdos/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

:drool:

[Boydy]

Put the DWP on the blockchain.

[Pepe]

Quoting Yudkowsky. :drool:

[Pepe]

Unusual economists

We are looking to hire some recent graduates in economics. You should a) have an outstanding record at a great university

Lol.

[Shindig]

Ready the Mert signal.

[Lewis]

I e-mailed him once and got a reply, so I feel like I would have the inside track.

[Lewis]

Come to think of it it concerned a book I never ended up writing (mostly not my fault), so he probably has me down as a lazy whopper.

[Shindig]

Much like Vince Russo. Great minds truly do think alike.

[Pepe]

Give it a shot as a 'wild card.' I would open with your milk bit.

[Lewis]

Dominic mate,

I am the six-time Best Poster on the Third Half dot co dot UK. I'm not working Friday afternoons.

Thank you.

[Spikey M]

I reckon Deadly Dom could teach us all a bit about abusing the Flexi system.

[Lewis]

With all due respect to him I don't think he could.

[Jimmy Floyd]

G. Super-talented weirdos

People in SW1 talk a lot about ‘diversity’ but they rarely mean ‘true cognitive diversity’. They are usually babbling about ‘gender identity diversity blah blah’. What SW1 needs is not more drivel about ‘identity’ and ‘diversity’ from Oxbridge humanities graduates but more genuine cognitive diversity.

We need some true wild cards, artists, people who never went to university and fought their way out of an appalling hell hole, weirdos from William Gibson novels like that girl hired by Bigend as a brand ‘diviner’ who feels sick at the sight of Tommy Hilfiger or that Chinese-Cuban free runner from a crime family hired by the KGB. If you want to figure out what characters around Putin might do, or how international criminal gangs might exploit holes in our border security, you don’t want more Oxbridge English graduates who chat about Lacan at dinner parties with TV producers and spread fake news about fake news.

By definition I don’t really know what I’m looking for but I want people around No10 to be on the lookout for such people.

We need to figure out how to use such people better without asking them to conform to the horrors of ‘Human Resources’ (which also obviously need a bonfire).

I've spent all evening lolling at this.

[Offshore Toon]

I bet my old aspergers housemate will apply for that. I reckon he's got a good chance too as a data scientist. Plus, nothing says wildcard like accusing your housemates of thinking you're a paedophile.

[Byron]

I will say though, putting HR on a massive bonfire wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

[Lewis]

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Might want to put those job applications on ice Dominic MATE.

[phonics]

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You can just do this? Can we have the money back?

[Jimmy Floyd]

One of both of them must be a complete wrong un. What is it they need to do in 'North America' and why have the others fallen out with them?

[Giggles]

Why does it matter anyway, he doesn’t have any part in the line for the top job. Might as well live in the sun and enjoy his life.

They might as well release the DNA test results that were no doubt done at this stage anyhow.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If William got blown up by your mates then Harry would be next in line I think.

[Giggles]

If William got blown up by your mates then Harry would be next in line I think.

I’d say “my mates” could join the queue at this stage.

Would a Hewitt ever be in line when it came down to it though anyway?

[Disco]

If William got blown up by your mates then Harry would be next in line I think.

No, it would be Williams children before Harry.

[Shindig]

Man, it'd be cool to have a kid monarch. We can totally get away with that now.

[bruhnaldo]

I'm surprised you guys keep this shit up as a country/commonwealth whatever you call it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

No, it would be Williams children before Harry.

Blow them up as well, see off Harry and Archie, and bingo you have King Andrew I.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No, it would be Williams children before Harry.

And then their children when they come of age.

[Yevrah]

She'll be going back to acting then.

[bruhnaldo]

oh so basically we just get our own royals is what you're telling me

man God fucking damnit

[Spikey M]

(Aside from the over 50's) you lot care more about the Royals than we do anyway*.

*Maybe not in the posh parts of the country

[bruhnaldo]

Which is why I'm fake upset because now we're gonna get fuckin Princess Meghan watch every God forsaken fucking day *chucks mouse out window*

[Giggles]

https://i.imgur.com/SdiKRKR.jpg

[Shindig]

I mean ... the tunnel probably had less to do with it than the pissed driver doing 70.

[John]

Boris has told Nicola Sturgeon to get fucked. It'd be nice to think that's an end of it, but she could lose another ten referendums and not stop so being denied a second one will only make her bleating louder.

[Giggles]

We’re fucking having one now :rolleyes:

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0114/1106251-cabinet-meeting/

[Spikey M]

Elections are shit. Find something to have a referendum about instead. Lisbon Treaty II.

[Giggles]

Elections are shit. Find something to have a referendum about instead. Lisbon Treaty II.

After the gay marriage one and the abortion one we’ve had our fill of them for a long time too.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Boris has told Nicola Sturgeon to get fucked. It'd be nice to think that's an end of it, but she could lose another ten referendums and not stop so being denied a second one will only make her bleating louder.

I'm surprised more people didn't pick up on something she said during the Neil interview.

Supposedly her whole reason for demanding this was the EU referendum result and yet she still stated she'd seek another independence referendum even if the UK didn't leave the EU.

[Lewis]

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It's truly great to see this shite continuing.

[Spikey M]

I forget that certain is PM sometimes. Happier times.

[Lewis]

Independence Day boys. I've got a Terry's Chocolate Orange and life is good.

[Giggles]

Is actual Independence Day not New Years 2021?

[Lewis]

I suppose so. Two Terry's Chocolate Oranges that night. :cool:

[Giggles]

I’m all for anything that results in Chocolate Orange.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I suppose so. Two Terry's Chocolate Oranges that night. :cool:

French owned...

[Lewis]

Global Britain mate.

[Lewis]

I might bowl down the seafront at eleven and offer Le Havre out.

[Spikey M]

Global Britain mate.

I'll shank you with a shard of Cadburys you slag.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'll shank you with a shard of Cadburys you slag.

Owned by Americans now.

NOTHING IS REALLY BRITISH.

[Spikey M]

I'll shank you with a shard of crumpet you slag.

[mo]

Owned by Americans now.

NOTHING IS REALLY BRITISH.

Loving the outraged responses to CBBC tweeting a Horrible Histories clip that points this out. Honestly :cab:

[Disco]

What's getting re-branded? Croissants can now be Sovereignty Rolls.

[Shindig]

Hot cross buns with Union Jacks on them. Someone must've done that.

[Spikey M]

What's getting re-branded? Croissants can now be Sovereignty Rolls.

#FreedomFries

[Luke Emia]

I’m in London tonight. Just seen some absolute nuggets from both sides of the argument nearly go at it on the tube. The Brexit lot with their Union Jack flags and the remainers with EU flags. What the fuck is wrong with these people it’s Friday night go out and have a drink.

[Spikey M]

There's someone letting off fireworks round here. :lol:

[Jimmy Floyd]

I can hear fireworks as well. If there's one thing Brexit should herald it is a total ban on all fireworks.

[Lewis]

Wahey.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

There's someone letting off fireworks round here. :lol:

Same here.

[mugbull]

Losers. Save the fireworks for when you join something, not leave something. Nation of quitters

[-james-]

It's pretty lol that everyone's letting off fireworks at midnight Brussels time.

[Lewis]

It's only 'Brussels time' because we tell them it is. The opening MIND GAME of the negotiations.

[Smjffy]

January 2020 has been a cracking start to the year, hasn't it?

[Giggles]

So, we’ve to hold the fort then?


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[niko_cee]

:D

That's going to be mightily offensive to some, isn't it?

I thought English was going to be dropped as an official language seeing as your lot go for the Irish/Gaelic option. Which would be lol.

[Giggles]

Yeah that’s not a sight I’d want to see.

We’re officially dual language in the EU. English since we first joined and Irish since 2007, so they couldn’t get rid of the former. I’d never copped that we were the only primarily English speaking state left though.

[Spikey M]

Irish English becoming the language of choice would be a beautiful thing. Donald Tusk calling Farage a Feckin Eejit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I might learn some Irish. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

[Giggles]

It’s easy enough, I learned it to a decent level in my later years.

[Spikey M]

Why are you posting like you're a ghost?

[Giggles]

Because my later years started long ago. Was worth doing though, great to be able to converse in it out west.

[Lewis]

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My hero. My mate.

[Lewis]

lol out loud at this Irish polling. It's a good job Europe controls things.

[Giggles]

lol out loud at this Irish polling. It's a good job Europe controls things.

Is the ‘ol’ in lol not ‘out loud’ anyway?

Is it the method of polling or the results of them you’re not happy with?

[Lewis]

It's a combination of having three parties basically equal and massively complicating things; Leo Varadkar being an absolute whopper; and Sinn Fein doing so well and throwing all of your media twats (particularly the ones who our media twats have adopted over the past couple of years, namely Fintan O'Toole) into a crisis.

And anti-Irish racism obviously.

[Giggles]

I’d never doubt the latter :D

The big issue now is FG not taking the hit that everyone seemed to expect them to. People should have known their demographic would never stray.
Also I’d say a lot of people who said they were going to vote SF for the first time ever couldn’t bring themselves to do it and didn’t vote at all. We’ll end up with a FF/FG coalition with SF being proper opposition, which is where they can probably have the most effect anyway.

[Giggles]

And at least the Greens look to have not done near what was expected either, which is always the main thing.

[Giggles]

Looking like SF may have been underestimated a bit in the exit polls now apparently.