Controversial Opinions That You Have

[Spammer]

I'll go first.

I believe that CM03/04 is the best football management game that's been released. It's the perfect blend of complexity and ease of use for me. It's also good because I know precisely which players to get in order to SMASH Division One and then the Premiership with THE MIGHTY BLADES.

[Henry]

I believe that the kulaks need to be liquidated.

[bruhnaldo]

The newer Drake albums (Views, More Life) have more value than any of his older music combined.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think the 2002 World Cup was the best in my lifetime.

[Bartholomert]

Genetics has a large role in determining outcomes on an individual and collective scale.

Belief in God is vital to a healthy society, but all religions are not created equal; certain strands of Protestant Christianity are probably the most ideal for fostering a prosperous moral nation.

I think the Swiss model of providing universal healthcare is the best that exists in the world.

I don't think liberal men are psychologically capable of emotionally satisfying women over the long-run.

There will be either a civil war or secession of certain states in the US within the next 50 years. It will be for the best.

[Lewis]

Isn't the first one (individuals mainly, but probably collective) pretty much settled science?

[Bartholomert]

Isn't the first one (individuals mainly, but probably collective) pretty much settled science?

Settled science =/= factors into public policy decisions and/or widely accepted

[Disco]

My gaming based ones:

Hideo Kojima is a blathering idiot who writes like a 15 year old who's never met another human and the good games he is involved with are good despite his input, if anyone else proposed a game with Norman Reedus and some spooky whales they'd rightly be told to fuck off.

Resident Evil 4 is a big pile of shit.

Dragon Age 2 might be the best one.

[Spikey M]

Pandas are shit, let them die.

[John Arne]

Settled science =/= factors into public policy decisions and/or widely accepted

Like climate change?

[randomlegend]

Dragon Age 2 might be the best one.

Absolute fucking heathen.

Origins dons the others in the series by a factor of about 500.

[Boydy]

I believe that the kulaks need to be liquidated.

+1

[Disco]

Absolute fucking heathen.

Origins dons the others in the series by a factor of about 500.

In some regards maybe.

[Bartholomert]

Like climate change?

Far more people believe in climate change than biological essentialism. Climate change is a non-issue at worst, there will be plenty of alternative ways to remove excess C02 from the atmosphere that doesn't involve massive deindustrialization and shift towards lining the pockets of Green Energy Democrat donors.

[John Arne]

Far more people believe in climate change than biological essentialism. Climate change is a non-issue at worst, there will be plenty of alternative ways to remove excess C02 from the atmosphere that doesn't involve massive deindustrialization and shift towards lining the pockets of Green Energy Democrat donors.

Parody.

[bruhnaldo]

Oh look another thread ruined by dumbass political bullshit

[Bartholomert]

Parody.

Both sides are corrupt assholes. At least with us the poor can still afford to heat their houses and fill their cars up with gasoline.

[John Arne]

Oh look another thread ruined by dumbass political bullshit

Sorry :(

[Shindig]

My gaming based ones:

Hideo Kojima is a blathering idiot who writes like a 15 year old who's never met another human and the good games he is involved with are good despite his input, if anyone else proposed a game with Norman Reedus and some spooky whales they'd rightly be told to fuck off.

Yup. He also handles women like a 13 year-old nursing his first semi.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

I disliked The Wire.

[Magic]

Cucumber is the best vegetable.

[The Merse]

Mill towns and market towns need to be forceably evacuated and then carpet bombed to metropolise the nation and create a progressive society.

The evac may cause problems so I'm open to skipping it.

[Spikey M]

I have made my thoughts on the elderly clear previously, but I shall repeat it for this. Old people are parasites. Rude, stinking parasites. Cull the over 60's.

[Pen]

I think the 2002 World Cup was the best in my lifetime.

It's some effort having the 'worst' opinion in a thread where Mert is denying climate change and going about his usual beta cuck bullshit.

[mo]

Alcohol is shit and a waste of time and money.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It had everything. France vomited themselves out of the tournament before it had started; Italy got trolled to death; Spain got trolled to death; Korea, eventually, were themselves trolled to death in the semi (which no one ever remembers for some reason); USA v Portugal and Brazil v England were genuine classics, Senegal/Turkey were both absolute quality, and the Korean support gave it a proper distinct atmosphere in a way we haven't had since, except, I suppose, for the good old vuvuzelas.

[Bartholomert]

Tbf to Jimmy, I always felt the same way but assumed it was because of my impressionable age and Turkey finishing 3rd.

[Giggles]

For the end of that Germany game it's my fondest football memory anyway. Jimmy has it.

[Baz]

People with cerebral palsy (and/or other similar mentally and physically debilitating syndromes) shouldn't be allowed to remain alive.

[Magic]

I'd like to hear what they've got to say about that.

:henn0rz:

[Baz]

:henn0rz:

I work with them very frequently and just think what's the point. It's no life to live, either being in that situation or being the person looking after them.

[Magic]

:henn0rz:

I work with them very frequently and just think what's the point. It's no life to live, either being in that situation or being the person looking after them.

Ironically they probably think that about you.

[bruhnaldo]

So apparently this thread has taught me that a few of you would go full Hitler and just eliminate the people you find useless. Well.

[Lewis]

Cerebral palsy isn't that bad is it? I can see the argument for some of the proper dead-to-the-world sorts, but I think most of the palsy mob can still think straight.

[Pen]

It had everything. France vomited themselves out of the tournament before it had started; Italy got trolled to death; Spain got trolled to death; Korea, eventually, were themselves trolled to death in the semi (which no one ever remembers for some reason); USA v Portugal and Brazil v England were genuine classics, Senegal/Turkey were both absolute quality, and the Korean support gave it a proper distinct atmosphere in a way we haven't had since, except, I suppose, for the good old vuvuzelas.

We look at 2002 through completely different lenses. I guess it must have been decent for the English with the group of death and you getting close (in relative terms) to knocking out Brazil. I rate '98 as the bench mark and 2006 and 2014 above 2002. 2010 was just pure shit from start to finish and '94 was a bit early for me as I was only seven years old.

[randomlegend]

Cerebral palsy can range wildly in severity, from being ever-so-slightly weak down one side to having basically no motor function at all.

[Lewis]

Sounds like the Garden Soccer line-up.

[Disco]

Nandos is shit.

[randomlegend]

Alright Yev.

[Disco]

It's hardly worth it without Taz here.

[Raoul Duke]

Lol at Jimmy siding with Korea. Eaten one too many of Mrs. Park's transistor chips and gone native he has.

[Lewis]

Can chicken and chips be 'shit'? It's not that good, but it does its job.

[Spikey M]

Nandos is shit.

Agreed. I got given a £20 voucher for my birthday, got 2 tiny chicken breasts in crusty rolls(???), 2 bowls of limp chips and 2 cokes. Somehow I still had to pay a fiver towards it, and the fiver alone would have been pushing it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Lol at Jimmy siding with Korea. Eaten one too many of Mrs. Park's transistor chips and gone native he has.

They always bore on about the 2002 World Cup in the same way that people here bore on about the 2005 Ashes as the one time they ever watched cricket.

[Ian]

Pandas are shit, let them die.

They're the worst. Evolution is giving them a hint. Let it happen, world.


Hideo Kojima is a blathering idiot who writes like a 15 year old who's never met another human and the good games he is involved with are good despite his input, if anyone else proposed a game with Norman Reedus and some spooky whales they'd rightly be told to fuck off.

Correct. MGS V has amazing gameplay but the story bits I've seen are legitimately dreadful.

Final Fantasy and Halo can fuck off as well, while we're on the subject of gaming.

[Shindig]

VR has no place in the home.

[ItalAussie]

It's some effort having the 'worst' opinion in a thread where Mert is denying climate change and going about his usual beta cuck bullshit.
I had almost the same thought. :D

Here's mine:

Everything in economics more sophisticated than supply-demand curves is a cargo cult built around dodgy mathematics and pattern recognition.

Most of the social sciences have been using bad methodology for so long that it's impossible to tell what results are true and what are the results of statistic-farming.

[Queenslander]

Australia will be better off when the boomers die out.

[niko_cee]

I'm with Ital on economics being largely self-important pseudo-science wank, in the same bracket as the claims made by cosmetics companies in their advertising.

[GS]

Economic forecasts are definitely complete bullshit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The social sciences are all an absolute guessing game (and I studied one). Humans are not predictable.

They range from some merit (base level economics, some forms of analytical politics) to complete fiction (sociology).

[Henry]

Economics being mostly bullshit isn't really that controversial. However ItalAussie, read Steve Keen. Even the supply-demand curves are nonsense.

[Mazuuurk]

there will be plenty of alternative ways to remove excess C02 from the atmosphere that doesn't involve massive deindustrialization and shift towards lining the pockets of Green Energy Democrat donors.

Yep, mass extinction of humans :)

[Spammer]

A cheeky bit of mass extinction never did anyone any harm.

[Mazuuurk]

Economics as an industry built around it is just the first step in us as a species monetizing abstract concepts to try to occupy ourselves as we grow less dependent on basic services such as industry and farming.

The whole internet industry is another example of this. Noone really needs Facebook to survive, it's just we don't have to work in a field for 20 hours a day anymore so we have to find something to occupy ourselves with.

It'll all boil down to that horrific reality in that Black Mirror episode with Bryce Dallas Howard where "likes" have become the currency or whatever it is.

[Boydy]

Sometimes I think I'd quite like to work in the fields.

Or to just be self sufficient somewhere out in the hinterlands and not have to bother with society.

[Spammer]

I think Kanye West is shit and I don't know how he gets away with it.

[Disco]

I think Kanye West is shit and I don't know how he gets away with it.

From the perspective of someone who has never knowingly heard one of his songs he appears to be an egomaniacal tossbag but I guess that's an extension of the entire music industry thinking it's far more important than it really is. It's just a few songs.

[Spammer]

Not even good songs either. Most of his lyrics that I've heard are just mindless platitudes.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Sometimes I think I'd quite like to work in the fields.

I know I can count on you
Sometimes I think I could improve our annual yield
But you've got the grain I need
To see me through

[Ian]

he appears to be an egomaniacal tossbag

He released a book that as I understand it was basically anti-literature and then dedicated it to his mother. An English scholar/professor.

[ItalAussie]

Well that was more well-received than I imagined. I'll have to think of something even less palatable.


Economics being mostly bullshit isn't really that controversial. However ItalAussie, read Steve Keen. Even the supply-demand curves are nonsense.Doesn't shock me as much as it ought.

[Raoul Duke]

Economics as an industry built around it is just the first step in us as a species monetizing abstract concepts to try to occupy ourselves as we grow less dependent on basic services such as industry and farming.

The whole internet industry is another example of this. Noone really needs Facebook to survive, it's just we don't have to work in a field for 20 hours a day anymore so we have to find something to occupy ourselves with.

It'll all boil down to that horrific reality in that Black Mirror episode with Bryce Dallas Howard where "likes" have become the currency or whatever it is.

Re: "20 hours a day": http://www.rewild.com/in-depth/leisure.html - actually those guys just chilled out for a few days a week

[Haystacks Horace]

I think farmers should be exempt from tax as we grow the food for all the peoples to eat and keep the country running. Also in regard to the above we don't 20 hours a day. Usually only 5 hour of work with breaks included but very hard work as often carrying things.

[bruhnaldo]

I wish hispanic people would pick a fucking last name.

Like you know how Cristiano Ronaldo isn't exactly Cristiano Ronaldo.

Well it's the same in many Latin American countries, except they come here and they try to go by Jose Morales Martinez Baltazar Andujar Gonzalez Gonzales Torres. "What's your last name, though?" "Morales Martinez Baltazar Andujar Gonzalez Gonzales Torres."

There's people that literally come to the facility and register as "(first name) Torres Torres" because it's "family tradition!" to take your mothers last name and your father's last name.

Well that's all fine and well but it's called "LAST" name for a reason. Not your "next to next to next to next to" last name.

For the love of God fuck off already.

[bruhnaldo]

And normally who gives a flying fuck, sure, but when you work in billing/records and people come in without any other indicator whatsoever (Say, a social security number) it's damn near impossible to find their accounts otherwise. It's so frustrating.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Cristiano Ronaldo are both first names, iirc.

[Giggles]

Does he count as Hispanic?

[niko_cee]

Yeah, they bought him.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Same idea in Portuguese re taking mother's and father's names.

[niko_cee]

Those things must have some sort of built in regulator though, otherwise by the 3rd of 4th generation it's completely out of control. Same with the 'sons' in Scandi names, otherwise everyone would just have sonsonsonson at the end of their name in short order.

[Spikey M]

Star Wars and James Bond are both shit. All of them.

[Lewis]

Living up to your name there Idiotmouse.

[phonics]

Star Wars and James Bond are both shit. All of them.

Nailed both the controversial and the correct opinion. Well done.

[phonics]

Controversial should be spelt Contraversial.

[Spikey M]

It should, but then the English language is an absolute prick for things like that.

I remember reading an article about words that literally mean the opposite of themselves. How foreigners learn it is beyond me.

Edit: http://mentalfloss.com/article/49834/14-words-are-their-own-opposites

I mean, we all do it every day because it comes naturally, but what a fucking bell end our language is.

[Henry]

Music in general as a concept is fairly overrated, and is with very few exceptions completely vacuous.

[Disco]

Contraversy would be a really weird word though.

[Magic]

Seperate.

[-james-]

Films are largely a waste of time.

[Magic]

Films are largely a waste of time.

Of course they are. That's the entire point. Urgh.

[phonics]

It should, but then the English language is an absolute prick for things like that.

I remember reading an article about words that literally mean the opposite of themselves. How foreigners learn it is beyond me.

Edit: http://mentalfloss.com/article/49834/14-words-are-their-own-opposites

I mean, we all do it every day because it comes naturally, but what a fucking bell end our language is.

From what I understand from speaking to foreigners of the language, English is actually quite easy to learn but impossible to master because it has very few rules but many interpretations.

[Spammer]

Computer games are a complete waste of time.

Used to play them, realised that I felt shit after playing for any kind of real period if time and realised that it was because they are a complete waste of time.

[mugbull]

Music in general as a concept is fairly overrated, and is with very few exceptions completely vacuous.

What exceptions, I wanna hear em.

[Boydy]

Life is a waste of time, guys. Just enjoy it.

[Spikey M]

Enjoying stuff is a waste of time.

[Dark Soldier]

Bethesda games are for wanker fucks. As are Naughty Dog games. All strategy games are for trainspotters. If you play Fifa/Pokemon beyond the age of about 22 you sound like a paedo.

All fish bar cod and tuna is shit for cunts.

[7om]

Guess I'm a paedo then.

EDIT: Hi NSA bots.

[Boydy]

Does FM count as a strategy game?

And is Pro Evo okay?

[Lewis]

lol at cod what a degenerate.

[Bernanke]

Enjoying cod but not other fish. :sick:

[Spikey M]

I'd expand it to 'any white fish and Tuna'. Salmon can fuck right off.

[Giggles]

Do you even get cod any more?

[phonics]

Do you even get cod any more?

Yeah, comes out every year around November. Been shit for years though.

[Henry]

What exceptions, I wanna hear em.

Beethovens Ninth. The Great Gates of Kiev. Mostly classical stuff.

[Mazuuurk]

Salmon is nice.

[SvN]

I'm with DS, sort of. If I can get it from a chippy, it's alright.

[Spikey M]

Salmon is nice.

Sure, if you like eating pure oil.

[Mazuuurk]

Nah, it's not so bad.

Though sometimes it can be a bit oily.


Anyway, I have one: Lamb is fucking shit. In all it's forms.

[Boydy]

Salmon's great. Mackerel is good too.

And what the fuck is wrong with you Maz? Lamb is one of the best meats. What else are you going to have in a curry?

[phonics]

Salmon's shit. Smoked salmon is boss.

[John]

Nah, it's not so bad.

Though sometimes it can be a bit oily.


Anyway, I have one: Lamb is fucking shit. In all it's forms.

Salmon is fucking revolting, and well prepared lamb is the best of all the meats, you utter deviant.

[Giggles]

Yeah, comes out every year around November. Been shit for years though.

I thought they sold Pollock or Coley in place of cod (but are allowed call it cod) these days. Might just be chip shops though.

[Giggles]

Lamb :drool:

[Spikey M]

Lamb is the best meat there is. Have a fucking word. :drool:

[Mazuuurk]

Told ya. People go nuts about that. Specially the British.

[GS]

You probably slaughter reindeer up there, you fucking heathen.

[SvN]

Indeed, get fucked you Nordic fairy. Lamb is incredible.

[Raoul Duke]

Is this the 'Fucking Mental Opinions You Have' thread now then? Salmon over Lamb?! Deviant :D

[Lewis]

Lamb is a bit hit 'n' miss, and the fatty shit misses are enough to make you wary of it.

Magic jokes to the usual address.

[Magic]

Salmon's shit. Smoked salmon is boss.

I do like smoked salmon. The little slices on crackers with some cheese. :drool:

[Mazuuurk]

Smoked salmon is the best, or Gravlax. It's OK grilled as well.

And yes we well fucking slaughter reindeers. Reindeer is absolutely fucking delicious meat. Pricey as hell at the moment though.

[Dark Soldier]

lol at cod what a degenerate.

All fish is shit is the message, dickhead. Tuna mayo, and cod from the chippy are the only acceptable variants as you can barely taste the fish.

[Lewis]

I knew you meant cod from the chippy. That is what I was lolling at.

[mugbull]

Beethovens Ninth. The Great Gates of Kiev. Mostly classical stuff.

What makes those worthwhile, in comparison to other music?

[Bernanke]

Modern eugenics should be allowed and will benefit society.

Organ donation shouldn't be optional.

[Raoul Duke]

Modern eugenics should be allowed and will benefit society.

Organ donation shouldn't be optional.

Define "modern eugenics"?

As in, test for condition and breed accordingly? Like 23&me kinda stuff?

[Shindig]

And is Pro Evo okay?

Yes. There's only five of us left. 3 of them are in Brazil on PS2s.

[Mazuuurk]

I think he just means to play the slow game in phasing out Ethnic white turks.

[Bernanke]

Define "modern eugenics"?

As in, test for condition and breed accordingly? Like 23&me kinda stuff?

Not matchmaking based on genetic makeup if that's what you mean. Parents should be allowed to, initially, test for genetic disorders and "delete" them in the fetus. If methods to "improve" children are discovered as well they should also be allowed freely.

I like "modern eugenics" better than "transhumanism" since it sounds more controversial.

[Shindig]

Ex-pats should not be allowed to benefit from the British benefit system.

[7om]

Ex-pats should not be allowed to benefit from the British benefit system.

Voluntary National Insurance contributions, mate.

[phonics]

Ex-pats should not be allowed to benefit from the British benefit system.

Would all tax expats paid then go to foreign aid by proxy?

[ItalAussie]

Organ donation being non-optional is a good one.

[Danny]

I think Kanye West is shit and I don't know how he gets away with it.

His first three albums were very good. After that it was all shite and he is too busy believing his own hype.

On that note, the Arctic Monkeys have been shit since their second album.

[ItalAussie]

Christmas should be 35 degrees and sunny.

[Boydy]

Christmas should be 35 degrees and sunny.

There we go. The worst one.

[Danny]

With cricket the day after :drool:

Usually about 20 here. I'll take that.

[ItalAussie]

Eating leftover Christmas BBQ while watching the Boxing Day test is the true meaning of Christmas.

Bonus points if you have the television on mute and are listening to the match on the radio while watching.

[Boydy]

Cricket can fuck off too.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, Cricket is fucking shit. Although it deserves credit for managing to be more boring than every American sport going.

[Mike]

Smokers shouldn't be allowed NHS treatment for any illness with any link to smoking. They should pay.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, it's not as if they already pay £3 of tax on every box they buy.

More over; Why not fat fucks, drug addicts and Alcoholics too? This is some slippery slope shit. 'Oh you broke your leg running? Your own fault then, you pay'.

[Raoul Duke]

Not matchmaking based on genetic makeup if that's what you mean. Parents should be allowed to, initially, test for genetic disorders and "delete" them in the fetus. If methods to "improve" children are discovered as well they should also be allowed freely.

I like "modern eugenics" better than "transhumanism" since it sounds more controversial.

Got it. Yeah, i'm fine with gene editing. No doubt the religious fuckwits will get their knickers twisted about it though so it'll take forever to get widely accepted.

[Spikey M]

On that subject -

Religion should be legally prevented from affecting, well, everything. Go to your Churchigogue and shut the fuck up you throw back.

[Raoul Duke]

Whilst I agree, this thread is now likely gonna be derailed like a bitch. Sorry all.

[Spikey M]

:rasta:

[Henry]

What makes those worthwhile, in comparison to other music?

I have no idea.

[mugbull]

Also, that 'transhumanism' sounds fucking terrible for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with religion

[Lewis]

Yeah, it's not as if they already pay £3 of tax on every box they buy.

More over; Why not fat fucks, drug addicts and Alcoholics too? This is some slippery slope shit. 'Oh you broke your leg running? Your own fault then, you pay'.

The average fatty/pisshead/smoker will also cost the NHS less over an average lifetime by eating/pissing/smoking themselves to death before they can get to an age where they require constant old age attention.

[bruhnaldo]

Exactly! My diet of exclusively McChickens and coca-cola is a favor to the world and should be respected as such.

[Spikey M]

The average fatty/pisshead/smoker will also cost the NHS less over an average lifetime by eating/pissing/smoking themselves to death before they can get to an age where they require constant old age attention.

Yep. They also save time on the culling I have suggested previously.

[Magic]

Exactly! My diet of exclusively McChickens and coca-cola is a favor to the world and should be respected as such.

Try lacing it with cyanide for a real favour.

EDIT: Flavour, I meant flavour.

[Spammer]

On that note, the Arctic Monkeys have been shit since their second album.

I agree with that. Just seem like a middle of the road, indistinct Indie band nowadays.

[Spikey M]

Always were really

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Salmon's great. Mackerel is good too.

And what the fuck is wrong with you Maz? Lamb is one of the best meats. What else are you going to have in a curry?
I can't think of a meat I've tried that isn't good at the very least when cooked correctly.

Fried salmon fillets cooked skin side down for most of the way are magnificent, a sweet chilli sauce makes it. I wonder if people are just too used to being given overcooked fish.

[Haystacks Horace]

Salmon's great. Mackerel is good too.

And what the fuck is wrong with you Maz? Lamb is one of the best meats. What else are you going to have in a curry?

Surprise surprise a fat lad likes all food.


There we go. The worst one.

Surprise surprise a fat lad struggles in the heat.


Cricket can fuck off too.

Surprise surprise a fat lad doesn't like sport.

You may need a paramedic to deal with that horacing you just received. Let a mod know if you want to press horacement charges but they know the score.

[Disco]

Fresh Mackerel is about the only fish I like and the faff of getting the bones out is almost enough to put me off.

[Spikey M]

I might start branching out in to Spikey based puns.

[Haystacks Horace]

There was no need for what I said Boydy. I'm sorry.

[randomlegend]

I like horace.

Also is Boydy actually fat? I always imagine him as an anaemic, sunken-eyed skeleton of a man.

[Lewis]

Nah. You're still special.

[Spoonsky]

The south of Europe shits all over the north.

[Jimmy Floyd]

As a tourist, yes. If you had to live or make a living there it's just figs and blood money.

[Mazuuurk]

Truth.

[Shindig]

I'm of the opinion going trans has been accepted to the point where gays are wrongly picking it as an easy option, rather than a last resort.

[Spikey M]

That makes literally no sense. Gender = / = Sexuality.

Also, Gays are far more accepted than Trans gender people are anyway.

[mugbull]

I definitely think that gay people of either gender embody a large number of attributes belonging to the other gender, and this is not just socialized behavior either.

[Spikey M]

You mean people that like sucking cock have shit in common with other people that like sucking cock?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The way in which gay men like men always strikes me as being thoroughly different to the way in which straight women like men, and the same in reverse.

[Shindig]

That makes literally no sense. Gender = / = Sexuality.

I know it is. I just wonder how many people going trans are doing so because they absolutely cannot live life as a gay man or woman. Bruce Jenner regrets his switch, for example.

[Spikey M]

My wife works with a Transgender (Was a bloke, now a woman). As a bloke he was straight and had a long term girlfriend, now, as a woman, she is a lesbian and the long term partner has stayed with them. That absolutely fucks with my head, I just can't fathom it.

[Lewis]

Isn't that just a cross-dresser?

[Giggles]

That sort of setup is bollocks. I'd neuter the three of them.

[Lewis]

Isn't that just a cross-dresser?

https://s12.postimg.org/lreyhsv71/manga-by-at-once.jpg

lol

[Magic]

That sort of setup is bollocks. I'd neuter the three of them.

Lol.

[Spikey M]

Isn't that just a cross-dresser?

Nope, he, she, what the fuck ever, has had the chop and the hormones.

[Reg]

My wife works with a Transgender (Was a bloke, now a woman). As a bloke he was straight and had a long term girlfriend, now, as a woman, she is a lesbian and the long term partner has stayed with them. That absolutely fucks with my head, I just can't fathom it.
Two bisexual people. No?

[Spikey M]

Two bisexual people. No?

No. The Transgender only likes women. His other half was straight too as far as I know.

[Reg]

Actually, I don't know why the transgender person in this case would necessarily be bisexual.

The long term girlfriend sounds like she is, though.

[John]

I'm of the opinion going trans has been accepted to the point where gays are wrongly picking it as an easy option, rather than a last resort.

:D That's not controversial, it's just stupid and mental.

[Spikey M]

Actually, I don't know why the transgender person in this case would necessarily be bisexual.

The long term girlfriend sounds like she is, though.

Not as far as I know, but I guess she must be to a certain extent. Unless their relationship has just become sexless. Fuck knows.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Can you not still love a person regardless of their changed genital situation?

[Spikey M]

If my wife had a cock installed I think we'd struggle to make it work.

Edit: the relationship that is, not the cock. I'm sure the local cock surgeon is perfectly capable.

[Shindig]

:D That's not controversial, it's just stupid and mental.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just seeing some mental edge cases. It's a dumb subculture to look at but, gaming's trans as fuck. Trans journalists, trans speedrunners, trans critics, etc. Maybe they've always been closeted and now have an avenue to get it done.

[GS]

They're probably just after attention. Before modern youth were exercising themselves in the repression of gender-specific pronouns, these were the type of people who quietly cross-dressed at home in case they were publicly shamed.

A bit of public shaming did quite a good job of keeping deviant behaviour in check, actually. It's a shame we've lost that, but it's probably a direct consequence of "there's no such thing as society" and people no longer being willing to knock the neighbours' door to borrow butter.

[Magic]

They're probably just after attention. Before modern youth were exercising themselves in the repression of gender-specific pronouns, these were the type of people who quietly cross-dressed at home in case they were publicly shamed.

A bit of public shaming did quite a good job of keeping deviant behaviour in check, actually. It's a shame we've lost that, but it's probably a direct consequence of "there's no such thing as society" and people no longer being willing to knock the neighbours' door to borrow butter.

But we should keep the lid on your paedophile overlords.

[Shindig]

Jack Munroe is the father of the child she gave birth to. And if you tell her otherwise, she'll take you to court.

[Spoonsky]

A bit of public shaming did quite a good job of keeping deviant behaviour in check, actually. It's a shame we've lost that, but it's probably a direct consequence of "there's no such thing as society" and people no longer being willing to knock the neighbours' door to borrow butter.

Who gives a fuck about 'deviant behaviour' except for judgmental dickheads? I find the transgender phenomenon strange as well, but it has literally no effect on my life so I mind my own business. Whereas public shaming has a real and negative effect on the lives of countless people, all for the sake of arbitrary and constantly changing morals (not so long ago I imagine you'd have included homosexuality in deviant behavior, if you don't still).

[ItalAussie]

Live and let live.

You'd have to be a real grade-A asshole to get any pleasure from public shaming.

[GS]

Irony radars broken once again, I see. :rolleyes:

I couldn't give a fuck what people do with themselves, or with their own money - I just don't want to have to hear about it. Or pay for it, for that matter.

[Henry]

Saying you "don't want to hear about it" is a lot like saying that you want them to be ashamed of it, and not tell anyone.

[Giggles]

Saying you "don't want to hear about it" is a lot like saying that you want them to be ashamed of it, and not tell anyone.

The could just fucking get on with it at this stage than ramming it down everyone's throats (ooer). It's gone too far the other way now.

[GS]

Saying you "don't want to hear about it" is a lot like saying that you want them to be ashamed of it, and not tell anyone.

No, it's saying that I don't want to hear about anyone's private life. People should just get on with it.

What you're doing is the classic snowflake approach of looking for reasons to be outraged irrespective of what's being said.

This is another huge problem these days.

[Henry]

What's "being said" is that someone who votes for a political party which takes its social policies from the 16th century is calling transexual people "deviants", advocating "public shaming" and then expecting people to take his comments as being ironic.

I have no problem with a bit of LGBT pride, or a bit of ramming it down your throats. Bigots should be actively made to feel uncomfortable.

[GS]

You really are an idiot.

[ItalAussie]

How far does not hearing about it extend, in your opinion? Honest question.

I presume you have no problems with gay couples doing general couple-y things in public, and so on.

[GS]

I don't, no. Obviously I'd rather not see any couple (heterosexual, gay, or otherwise) being over the top in public, but that's because I still value a sense of reserve in personal conduct. I can't imagine that's uncommon.

With regards to "hearing about it", this is obviously subjective and difficult to accurately outline. I don't see the need for continual articles about people's "bravery" for coming out, or blanket coverage on the local pride parade.

If you treat it as not being a big deal, then it won't be a big deal. Henry's view demonstrates everything that is wrong with this - advocating militant style confrontation against people who think differently. If someone is going to be a bigot, that's up to them. Let them get on with their lives, and you get on with yours. If they cross a line, your redress is legal - not a fucking Facebook moan.

[Magic]

I bet you'd get well horny over watching some gay sex. Not the brutal stuff the dirty bastards get up to but sensual, loving stuff.

[phonics]

If you treat it as not being a big deal, then it won't be a big deal. Henry's view demonstrates everything that is wrong with this - advocating militant style confrontation against people who think differently. If someone is going to be a bigot, that's up to them. Let them get on with their lives, and you get on with yours. If they cross a line, your redress is legal - not a fucking Facebook moan.

If we acted as if we were in GS' utopia, women wouldn't have the vote and you'd be imprisoned/chemically castrated for being gay. The reason why this 'militant style confrontation' is used is because it works and has been literally the only thing that's ever worked for social progression.

[GS]

:rolleyes:

[phonics]

You live in a country that still doesn't let women have abortions (in fact you voted for the party that is in favour of this very policy), please do not try lecture people on how to achieve social progress.

[GS]

In that instance, your redress is the democratic process here given it's a devolved issue. You'll also find that the recent NIL&T survey shows it's a position supported by the majority here.

Not that I necessarily agree with it, but the moralising from a particular brand of left wing idiot who has only just grasped that Northern Ireland exists has been one of the more unpalatable features of the Tory-DUP deal. As you've just outlined, you clearly don't grasp the views of it amongst other political parties here. The SDLP, Labour's sister party (who took the whip and sat on the government benches), are also opposed but I suppose that was okay before the last election.

Or, more likely, people like you weren't informed about it and therefore couldn't be outraged.

[phonics]

You'll also find that the recent NIL&T survey shows it's a position supported by the majority here.

:facepalm:

Exactly my point.

[GS]

:facepalm:

Exactly my point.

Oh look, you've failed to grasp the point again.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Most people still hate gays (or a lot of people, anyway). It's just not as fashionable to say so as it once was.

[John]

'Militant style confrontation' is fine if you're up against someone trying to ban gay marriage or whatever but there are communities mobilising against people for using the wrong pronoun, and that can fuck right off. It's an offense roughly on a par with mistaking a tubby woman for a pregnant one.

[phonics]

Most people still hate gays (or a lot of people, anyway). It's just not as fashionable to say so as it once was.

Yep, and every once in a while that bubbles over and you have to slam it down or it'll reoccur.

[phonics]

'Militant style confrontation' is fine if you're up against someone trying to ban gay marriage or whatever but there are communities mobilising against people for using the wrong pronoun, and that can fuck right off. It's an offense roughly on a par with mistaking a tubby woman for a pregnant one.

Online and real life are very different things. Is there an example of a large in-person protest over using the wrong pronoun? There's communities mobilising against people for giving video game characters smaller breasts but I don't think it represents all video game players.

[Spammer]

In that instance, your redress is the democratic process here given it's a devolved issue. You'll also find that the recent NIL&T survey shows it's a position supported by the majority here.

Not that I necessarily agree with it...

Do you agree with it, out of interest?

[GS]

Do you agree with it, out of interest?

My views on this have been outlined previously.

[Spammer]

My views on this have been outlined previously.

I'm not after a debate, I was just wondering what they were.

[John]

Online and real life are very different things. Is there an example of a large in-person protest over using the wrong pronoun? There's communities mobilising against people for giving video game characters smaller breasts but I don't think it represents all video game players.

They were very different things fifteen years ago. An online mob today could ruin you just as easily, if not more so than a mob outside your house.

And there are about a hundred articles a week about people getting dinged up on university campuses for not addressing someone as 'ze' or whatever, so it's not an issue confined to the internet.

[Spammer]

The internet and university campuses :thbup:

I've not heard it anywhere outside of either.

[phonics]

They were very different things fifteen years ago. An online mob today could ruin you just as easily, if not more so than a mob outside your house.

And there are about a hundred articles a week about people getting dinged up on university campuses for not addressing someone as 'ze' or whatever, so it's not an issue confined to the internet.

This is in The Sun today.

http://i.imgur.com/J9b8VWI.png

edit: What do you mean by dinged up exactly? That seems like slang for beaten up and I haven't heard any of that, have you got a link?

[John]

Where are you going with this video game thing? I can hardly think of something more irrelevant.

[Henry]

The gender pronoun stuff can fuck off. That's not what we're talking about here though, but the implication that transexualism is a public decency issue.

[phonics]

Where are you going with this video game thing? I can hardly think of something more irrelevant.

Online doesn't matter. It's not real. It has no effect. (In functioning democracies, obviously has a huge organizing effect under authoritarian regimes)

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yep, and every once in a while that bubbles over and you have to slam it down or it'll reoccur.

The Trump nonsense is basically people wanting to be able to hate who they want.

[phonics]

The Trump nonsense is basically people wanting to be able to hate who they want.

And sadly the people who were in place to slap that down were a spineless GOP hence where we are today.

[Lewis]

I reckon most trannies are just nutters.

[Reg]

I don't, no. Obviously I'd rather not see any couple (heterosexual, gay, or otherwise) being over the top in public, but that's because I still value a sense of reserve in personal conduct. I can't imagine that's uncommon.

With regards to "hearing about it", this is obviously subjective and difficult to accurately outline. I don't see the need for continual articles about people's "bravery" for coming out, or blanket coverage on the local pride parade.

If you treat it as not being a big deal, then it won't be a big deal. Henry's view demonstrates everything that is wrong with this - advocating militant style confrontation against people who think differently. If someone is going to be a bigot, that's up to them. Let them get on with their lives, and you get on with yours. If they cross a line, your redress is legal - not a fucking Facebook moan.
So the way to get society to accept such things as normal is to bury them away in a corner somewhere?

Sounds like you're uncomfortable with people who aren't like you, and your suggestion sounds like a way to justify your feelings.


Or, more likely, people like you weren't informed about it and therefore couldn't be outraged.
I've read this sort of thing from you before and it's such nonsense. "You can have no feelings on any subject unless you knew about it as early as I did."

[GS]

No, I advocate people being left alone unless they're actively breaking the law.

On the latter point, he clearly doesn't understand the positions of the main parties in NI on the issue or he wouldn't have made the ill informed point that he did. It's a basic issue of understanding of the issue and context, which he demonstrably lacks.

[phonics]

GS, how do you think something that wasn't illegal becomes illegal and vice versa? Magic? The kindness of a politicians heart?

The Sufragettes would be classified as a terrorist organisation. Were they and their (literal) militant confrontation bad?

[GS]

The state of that.

[Giggles]

GS is donning you all. If I wasn't such an illiterate mess I'd give him a hand but he doesn't need it.

[Lewis]

GS, how do you think something that wasn't illegal becomes illegal and vice versa? Magic? The kindness of a politicians heart?

The Sufragettes would be classified as a terrorist organisation. Were they and their (literal) militant confrontation bad?

There is a strong case for their more militant antics doing more harm than good, and they only really gained mainstream support thanks to putting a lid on it during the First World War, so probably.

[Spammer]

He's not really. 'The state of that' is just a shambles answer. I mean, the state of what? How about explaining to the plebs what the problem is?

It's just shockingly bad. I'd love to see him get himself across like that in person. It just wouldn't work because it's garbage.

[phonics]

There is a strong case for their more militant antics doing more harm than good, and they only really gained mainstream support thanks to putting a lid on it during the First World War, so probably.

Or you could argue that the extremists pushed the moderates to get more organised. Chicken/Egg really.

[Lewis]

It's more chicken, millions of women working in war industries, another ten years, and then egg.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

The gender pronoun stuff is some real bollocks. Refusing to call someone by their 'preferred pronoun' seems to lead to being labelled as a 'transphobe'.

[Adam]

Coldplay > Oasis

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm actually with you on that, to an extent, although Coldplay post X&Y have been a bit hmm.

[Adam]

I'm actually with you on that, to an extent, although Coldplay post X&Y have been a bit hmm.

That's a fair comment although I did quite enjoy the Viva la Vida album.

[Spikey M]

Get fucked

[GS]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40591750

:face:

[Giggles]

Jesus Christ this shit needs to stop. Generation Snowflake are going to render the world unrecognizable.

[Kikó]

This affects your life in no way.

[Giggles]

This affects your life in no way.

Where it's all headed does, it'll effect everyone's rights. Soon you won't be allowed identify as the single sex you were born without causing offence to some bunch of crackpots. This shit is only beginning and it's the time now to nip it in the bud.

[Henry]

Where it's all headed does.

Where's that? Also, aren't you a snowflake for being bothered by it?

[phonics]

Giggles what are you genuinely worried about? What would be unrecognizable?

[Kikó]

Where it's all headed does, it'll effect everyone's rights. Soon you won't be allowed identify as the single sex you were born without causing offence to some bunch of crackpots. This shit is only beginning and it's the time now to nip it in the bud.

Don't be mental. No one is going to stop you identifying as a male. This is exactly the opposite in allowing people to express their own identities.

[Giggles]

Don't be mental. No one is going to stop you identifying as a male. This is exactly the opposite in allowing people to express their own identities.

Things like this never stop at just allowing people to express their own identities though. It's destined to go way beyond that line.

In a decade or so the world is going to full of angry confused simpletons because mummydaddy decided to swap little Johnny over to being a lovely little neutral boygirl before he knew what happened. The whole movement needs to be crushed now.

[phonics]

Giggles also thinks all Muslims should be locked up and shot so at least he's consistent in his disgust for minorities.

[Giggles]

Giggles also thinks all Muslims should be locked up and shot so at least he's consistent in his disgust for minorities.

Any Muslim (or anyone) on any police watch list for any sort of suspicious activity needs to be detained. I'll stand by that too. They're not suspected without reason.

[Spikey M]

Any Muslim (or anyone) on any police watch list for any sort of suspicious activity needs to be detained. I'll stand by that too. They're not suspected without reason.

Nobody has ever been a suspect whilst being innocent? Is that what you're saying?

[phonics]

Any Muslim (or anyone) on any police watch list for any sort of suspicious activity needs to be detained. I'll stand by that too. They're not suspected without reason.


BABY DOE WAS 7 months old when his troubles with the U.S. government began. His mother was taking him on a flight when security officials stopped them at an airport. He was patted down and subjected to “chemical testing.” His mother’s bag was searched. His diapers were examined. Unbeknownst to the family from California, four letters on the infant’s boarding pass — “SSSS” — had singled him out as a particularly dangerous class of individual: a “known or suspected terrorist.”

7 month old terrorists need to be detained and then shot.

[Dave.]

Well, at least Giggles is sticking to the theme of the thread. He just happens to be completely wrong here.

[Giggles]

Nobody has ever been a suspect whilst being innocent? Is that what you're saying?

No, but if you detain 100 with good reason and 2 by mistake then at least you have a good chance of saving a good few lives. By pussyfooting around and leaving them all on the loose then you're guaranteeing leaving more people in danger. I'd take protecting people over being PC.

[Spikey M]

I mean, as an Irish man fond of expressing his dislike of the British I see no way that this could backfire on him.

[Giggles]

I mean, as an Irish man fond of expressing his dislike of the British I see no way that this could backfire on him.

I don't dislike the British. Mostly. I find you rather comical and I'm glad we're free of your regime, but that's about it.

Remember the majority of people back in the day blowing things up over there were your own citizens, not from inside Irish borders.

[Spikey M]

Also, I'd rather every announcement start with a run down of every possible gender identity than give the government the power to arrest and hold people because they might do something bad one day.

That a) is some Orwellian shit and b) would create a shit tonne of martyrs.

[phonics]

You'd think when the Guildford Four wasn't even half a century ago people would realize how bad an idea that shit is.

[Giggles]

You'd think when the Guildford Four wasn't even half a century ago people would realize how bad an idea that shit is.

That was after the event and down to your bent justice system forcing confessions when they actually knew people were innocent. You'd like to think this many years on that there's enough eyes on it all that there would need to be genuine suspicion.

[phonics]

If you don't think the security system/national police/local police aren't still bent you're off your rocker.

[Giggles]

If you don't think the security system/national police/local police aren't still bent you're off your rocker.

It's at least harder for them to be bent now. Back in your example it was coming straight from the top and your armed forces/police were basically operating as terrorists. I really don't think it's at that scale nowadays.

[phonics]

It's at least harder for them to be bent now. Back in your example it was coming straight from the top and your armed forces/police were basically operating as terrorists. I really don't think it's at that scale nowadays.

Yeah, they just send them to other countries to be tortured instead. It's well known.


Furthermore, researchers from HRW have spoken to Pakistani intelligence agents involved in torture who say their British counterparts knew how they were mistreating young British terrorism suspects. These agents said British officials were "breathing down their necks for information" while they were torturing one young medical student from London; and that British intelligence officers were "grateful" they were "using all means possible" to extract information from a man from Luton who was being beaten, whipped, deprived of sleep and threatened with an electric drill.

We used to send them to Libya and Syria back when we were mates.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'researchers from HRW have spoken to Pakistani intelligence agents involved in torture'

No they fucking haven't.

[Adamski]

Do we not have any Flat Earthers on the board?

Phonics seems a good candidate.

[Adamski]

I don't dislike the British. Mostly. I find you rather comical and I'm glad we're free of your regime, but that's about it.

Remember the majority of people back in the day blowing things up over there were your own citizens, not from inside Irish borders.

Do you think you've benefited from being an independent country and in what way? Straight question, just curious.