He well may be, but people who're dying can live on for ages, so I'd rather not wait for that to actually happen.
We say we care, we say the sacrifices we're making are worth it, so let's just go one step further and start shooting their shitty planes out of the sky and twatting them on the ground in the areas they still occupy.
Maybe we should invade them and take all their gas while we're at it.
If it wasn't such a difficult place to invade and the nuclear threat wasn't there I'm sure we'd have used what's happened already as an excuse to do so.Originally Posted by Boydy
I'm just thoroughly sick of the bunting cycle where Russia do something shit, the West all have a celebratory wank, we're still in a war and the cycle repeats. Have some balls and end this shitshow - it's about as clear a moral example to justifiably do so as will ever be seen.
Waiting for Putin to pop his clogs is a dangerous tactic. His main supporters are split pretty much 50-50 between wanting to negotiate their way out of it and keep some occupied land, or go full war economy and smash Ukraine into the Stone Age and not stop until the whole country is theirs. Even though Putin seems a complete warhawk, he's probably stuck in the middle somewhere. There's a couple of lunatics there who could step in to his place and turn up the heat even more.
It was Yevs birthday yesterday and he's now above the maximum conscription age.
Most obvious thing in the world, so let's all just ignore Ukraine immediately claiming otherwise and demanding we escalate on their behalf.
I think I already was.
Slapping Ukraine down over them jumping the gun will amount to it being painted as the West momentarily being on Team Russia, so that isn't happening.
On a kind of related note, I read this morning that Russia have done a lot of groundwork in strongarming the International Atomic Energy Agency into imminently accepting Russian control over the Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant, which de facto legitimises their control over occupied areas of Ukraine. Pretty clever. You'd think Ukraine will want to focus on offensives in that region next rather than bolstering the East but it might result in boom.
"Russia bears responsibility for what happened in Poland yesterday"
Where's your fucking Benny Hill music compilations now, you laughable cretins.
Two days of shelling caused widespread damage to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) on November 20 and 21. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) stated on November 21 that there are no immediate nuclear safety and security concerns and that the integrity of all six nuclear reactors and the spent and fresh fuel storage facilities remain uncompromised despite the intense shelling. Russia and Ukraine both accused the other of conducting the artillery strikes on the ZNPP on November 20 and 21. One Russian milblogger referenced a video of the shelling taken by Chechen forces and stated that it appeared the shelling came from positions in Russian-controlled territory south of the ZNPP, not Ukrainian-controlled territory north of the ZNPP.
The IAEA refused to recognise Russian control over the ZNPP so now they're shelling their own men inside the plant in order to make it happen. This will end well.
Ukraine comitting war crimes by shooting surrendering soldiers at point-blank and then excusing it with "but Russia have committed more".
All been a bit quiet on the western media sites on the missile on Polish territory business too
Is this the video of the surrendering Russian soldiers followed by one of them coming out all guns blazing? I'm not sure that's a great example of 'war crimes'.
There's active Ukranian soldiers who fight for their cause with less determination than you. Your gallantry will not go unrecognised, Kiko, god bless you.
One bloke came out shooting, so they had no option to shoot the ten blokes that had already surrendered execution style. Completely normal.
I'm sure that image was first shared as evidence of some sort of mortar strike, which seemed odd at the time seeing as the bodies were all so neatly lined up. Will probably turn out it's Russians executing their own for desertion.
Not saying it was the Russians executing their own, but they did that very thing a few weeks ago. With a sledgehammer no less.
I'd say that's fair enough. The others could go rogue too. Clear threat to life.
Russian diplomacy needs some work.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/co..._ukraine_2022/
Left:VerdunPasschendaele, 1917. Right: Bakhmut, 2022.
Ursula von der Leyen said earlier that Ukraine has had over 100000 killed, which was a number doing the rounds a few months ago, but the footage was later removed and her office clarified that she meant killed and wounded. Ukraine initially refused to discuss it, because casualties are sensitive information, but some spokesman has since come out and said the number of dead is about 10000.
As of today the 'Kiev Independent' claims that Russia has lost 88880 men, which, combined with the usual amount of wounded, would mean that Russia barely has any of its initial invasion force left. Given that Ukraine apparently has the most effective fighting force in the history of industrial warfare (if not any form of warfare), shouldn't they be getting this over quick before Russia gets all of its reserves up to the front and finishes their electricity off?
As always, the true numbers will lie between what both sides are saying they are.
I hope Russia wins for Lewis. It'll make his Christmas.
Vladimir Putin believes Russia is not to blame for the war in Ukraine, adding both countries are "sharing a tragedy".
During a televised address with senior military officials, the Russian president said he continued to see Ukraine as a "brotherly nation".
I'd say that's the start of a climb down, but you just never know with this cunt.
More like softening the blow when the dirty nazis and enablers have to concede defeat.
From my research, I think the blame should be shared.
I found the BBC article helpful. 'The theory, which implies Western expansion is the cause, has been repeatedly dismissed outside Russia'. Oh, well. That's that then.
Indeed, but it’s nowhere near 50:50.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64101437
Reports in Russian media said Mr Antov, 65, had fallen from a window at the hotel in the city of Rayagada on Sunday. Another member of his four-strong Russian group, Vladimir Budanov, died at the hotel on Friday.
Superintendent Vivekananda Sharma of Odisha police said Mr Budanov was found to have suffered a stroke while his friend "was depressed after his death and he too died". The Russian consul in Kolkata, Alexei Idamkin, told the Tass news agency that police did not see a "criminal element in these tragic events".
Slava Ukraini!
This is never going to end.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64662184Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has ruled out giving up any of his country's territory in a potential peace deal with Russia.
He does, however, believe Ukraine's forces can keep resisting Russia's advance until they are able to launch a counter-offensive - although he repeated his calls for more military aid from the West.
We (the West) need to go in or fuck it off.
A year on, would a difficult compromise - Donbass autonomy and non-aligned status for Ukraine - really have been that onerous?
Yes. Give that to Putin and he'll just keep coming back for more.
The Baltic countries are NATO, and Poland is NATO. He was quite content for Ukraine not to be part of Russia before, so what 'more' is he coming back for once the existential protecting ethnic Russians and NATO angles are neutralised?
I know nothing about this, but wasn't that the argument made when he took Crimea? Give it to them, then move on with everything, they won't come back....
He's literally annexed three further regions other than the Donbass (although he doesn't control them at present).
He wants to die in a resurgent Soviet Union, obviously.
Shame he hasn't gone about resurrecting it politically.
Non-cash for all!
Yeah, he should have done it the old school way. Gulags and gruel. Proper, vintage Communism.
It has all escalated, in part because the Western politicians who he had previously done deals with have been lining up to say 'lol we only wanted to buy Ukraine time', thereby proving to Russian ears that their persecution complex is valid and that there is only one way to resolve this. We have spent nine years pushing the most confrontational approach possible based on the impossibility of them invading another country, and now we act like all of this was inevitable.
Ukraine has lost three million refugees to Russia who won't be living in Ukraine again; another three million to the European Union who won't be coming back probably ever; half the country is in bits; the other half can't keep the lights on; its politics will be dominated by maniacs for the rest of time; and their battlefield casualties are horrendous. And that's as good as it gets if Russia leaves today. There is still the small matter of twenty per cent of its territory being nabbed as we speak, and, if their armed forces completely collapse because they can't mobilise enough seventeen year olds or Shanghai any more men off the street, potentially ending up as a landlocked failed state (in fairness, at that stage they might as well fight to the death). Elsewhere, Europe has spent a trillion quid on energy subsidies thus far; China is building pipelines for all of that cheap gas going begging; and any idea of an independent European defence capacity has been set back thirty years. It's hard to see how there wasn't a million different versions of events that ended up better than this for everybody.
But we had no choice Lewis. We couldn't just ignore it like we have every other time Russia invaded a neighbour (including Ukraine).
It really does feel like we're sleep walking into WW3.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64695042
And serious consequences. Rofl.Mr Blinken told CBS News that Chinese companies were already providing "non-lethal support" to Russia - and new information suggested Beijing could provide "lethal support".
This escalation would mean "serious consequences" for China, he warned.
Can’t see China ever openly supporting Russia. They have access to their gas now already and their economy is far too reliant on the West (domestically it's in the toilet).
The Chinese have more to gain than lose helping Russia force a settlement in their favour, since their heightened trade relations depend on 1) Russia remaining a stable and intact autocracy; and 2) Russia never having normal relations with Europe ever again. In the mentalist wet dream where Russia loses and becomes a ward of the State Department, it eventually turns away from China. Plus they might as well do something bold to let the world know that they get to have a say in these sort of things now. There isn't much point trying to counter the 'Rule-Based Order' if the Americans threatening to withhold Happy Meals throws you off course.
Am I being a bit dense or is a bit much being made of plucky Joe B slumming it in to 'Keev' on the overnight train, like it's all clearly a very stage managed thing for whatever reasons you want to ascribe to it? I mean, as the President of the United States of America, I'm pretty sure you could publish your itinerary to all state actors and be pretty damn sure no one was going to be trying to shoot down your helicopter. Unless I guess they were afraid of the Ukrainian air defences going all Maverick end scene on them.
I got that impression, so much so I thought his return flight being downed by a stray missile would be a convenient coincidence.
Yes, a red, white and blue liveried plane has never been shot down over Ukraine before.
Also very much looking forward to the announcement of shitty peace deal later in the week. We know you have a choice in peace deals etc.
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