Our stupid country will vote them straight back in.
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
Our stupid country will vote them straight back in.
They won't this time.
I know it's over
But it never really began
But in my heart, it was so real
Anyone that votes Tory after this shit deserves all the misery they have coming.
The Lib Dems, Greens, SNP and Welsh mob could make it happen, sadly.Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
It's done. Cooked. Over.Our stupid country will vote them straight back in.
Starmer appeals to the centre ground (and comes across as at least vaguely competent) so unless an act of God happens between now and whenever we do get an election, he's going to romp home.
Starmer has been very shrewd positionally over the last few years, so he's automatically going to be well up on where Corbyn was, and that's before you take into account the utter collapse in Tory support that has followed Truss's election. At worst he will go into coalition with the LDs and confidence and supply with the nats.
Most acts of god are bad for the Tories, the only thing that could stop them would be Starmer dying / being exposed as a paedo, and another Corbyn-esque mad lefty taking over.
Yeah, ask me a year ago and I'd be pretty negative on Starmer for staying in the background but really he knew what the Tories would do to themselves, so he's played a blinder.
He still can't handle scousers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_...y_(politician)
This fucker was on Newsnight last night and was one of the most impressive political figures I've seen in a while (admittedly low bar).
He's a complete idiot.
Listening to Truss is so entertaining. It's like when the class thicko had to do a class presentation in year 5.
Gahahhahaha. Gwan Greenpeace.
Liz! STOP TALKING!The prime minister vows to open more gas fields in the UK in order to deliver more renewables.
BBC News - Oil price rise fears as Opec countries cut output
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63149044
Dickheads.
They still haven’t passed on the reduction so we shouldn’t see a difference in price at the pump.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63175102
How utterly bizarre. Surely first week in the job you get a call into all of the World leaders.
Not if you're as far out of your depth as Truss is.
If anyone wants to know what Corbyn as PM would have been like, the answer is basically this.
Labour now 37% ahead in a latest poll.
Will be interesting to see how the Tory knifemen act now.
Oh fuck off.
This is like when people say "this is like communist russia" or some shit when they're actually talking about the effects of capitalism in the here and now.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...gs-mini-budget
All 3 of those options open to him sound like suicide which makes for a fantastic day of lols/turmoil to come when he gives that statement, the fucking retard.
Isn't £70bn roughly what we spend on education for an entire year? These people are genuinely killing the country.
We have him comparing a Tory PM to (what he sees as) the worst possible Labour PM. Take the backhanded wins where you can.
He'll be wearing a Gordon Brown themed christmas jumper soon enough.
My worry is that shit, genuinely thick politicians are now becoming the norm.
Capitalism, innit. The bright people go where the money is.
That's why politics, teaching, the police, and basically anything else important is in a mess.
Doesn't that line of thinking rather break down when one considers the sort of people who used to inhabit those jobs [making no judgment as to whether they still do]?
If you want to 'ism it isn't it more likely to be symptomatic of populism, lack of engagement and a constant search for easy answers that ABOVE ALL ELSE keep the triple lock in place? Having vaguely sensible or coherent policies is basically a death knell in modern politics. Didn't Sunak run his whole leadership campaign on the line that you can't let this idiot do what she is promising to do as it will tank the economy?
But look who was voting.
I haven't lost all hope, preferring to think it's a freak set of circumstances that have led us down this path. Boris getting rid of all the sensible Tories so he could surround himself with Brexiteers to get his shitty deal done, coupled with the worst Party leader in all of human history (before Truss came along), is, I would suggest, a bit of a blip.
Starmer looks like someone you'd be comfortable leaving your kids with, so I suspect once the Thatcher wannabe and her innumerate chancellor have gone we'll get some form of sense back.
Feel like pure shit just want managed decline back x
If anything looks like managed decline, it's this.
This looks more unmanaged.
And James Cleverley was pulling that sort of bullshit on QT last night "we had to do something", yes but what you've chosen to do has or will cost a lot of people money before they've even had the sodding tax cut. Money that will dwarf the tax cuts. I appreciate their plan has been modified slightly since it was so well received, but as far as I can tell it remains this:
1. Slash tax, giving people more money to drive growth
2. Terrify the markets, forcing the cost of borrowing through the roof and giving everyone who rents or has a mortgage far less money in their pockets
3. ????
4. Profit!
Happy to be corrected if I'm missing something?
On the contrary, they seem to be saying that either they don't care about the cost of borrowing or they've factored that necessary evil into their masterplan. A masterplan that definitely contains numbers that all add up.
I think there's a point at which management is so bad it ceases to deserve to be called management. We are well the wrong side of that point.
I said during the leadership campaign that simply cutting taxes wasn't going to do anything. We will have to wait and see what reforms they have to things like the planning system, energy, etc. People have lolled at her saying that there is an 'anti-growth coalition', but it does exist (although she never said that half of it sits behind her), and everything depends on her doing something about it.
Literally nobody with any modicum of influence over UK politics is anti-growth. The only people you can put in that category are part of niche movements who will gain less votes than Farage at the polls. There seems to be some narrative that the people who want to redistribute the wealth want to do so at the expense of growing the economy. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
Why isn't she talking about doing something about it then and what that might include? Presumably she's not worried about making things worse at this stage, were she even in the first place.
Don't you work you in some sort of construction job? Would you describe the current rules around housebuilding - to use one example, given that that is the biggest economic problem we have - as optimal, or would you say that the government could improve them? If it could, do you expect that doing so would encounter organised opposition beyond formal political parties? That is what she means, not the Labour Party specifically (although they would oppose any reform).
They've said they will have a load of reforms ready to go in time for whatever this November budget is. They ought to have done them as a full package with the tax cuts (it would be nice to say 4D chess and call it an attempt to force the pathetic party wankers to back them, but that might be stretching it), but they didn't, possibly under pressure to DO SOMETHING. Let's see what they are.
The rules don't stop houses being built - tanking house prices across the South of England stops houses being built, with the rules a convenient excuse.
And if they're not enough, how fucked do you reckon we'll be?
The rules allow local politicians to block development in response to those incentives. That should not be the case, and definitely shouldn't be the case with national infrastructure (see: the previous reservoir discussions).
No more than we were last month, for all of the instant screeching. We'll just continue the decline, shovel more and more of a dwindling GDP into the health service, and then wake up one day and realise we're a middle income country. The 'sensible' Labour Party won't do anything different by the way. They will just set the clock to the day before David Cameron called the referendum and get an easier ride off of Twitter.
Are we in decline, Lewis? And why are we in decline, exactly?
We've been in decline since America came out of WW2 completely unscathed and took over the production market for pretty much everything. Asia getting involved made it worse. Were it not for our dodgy financial sector offering essentially legal money laundering services, we'd already be a "middle income country". It's all we have.
We've been in decline since we stupidly entered World War I and sent 880,000 young men to die in it.
Well that’s livened the mood up.
The country's been asset-stripped since the 80s. Not just in terms of nationalised industries being privatised but also in the case of big British businesses.
Decent read here if a bit old now: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thi...oreigners.html
And it hasn't slowed down since that article: Foreign takeovers of UK firms hit highest level since 2018
Productivity growth has stalled since 2007, and we've had meh growth since (and ten years of mostly pretend growth before). We're standing still as everybody else goes forward, to the point where we're more likely to be overtaken by Eastern European countries than we are to catch up to more prosperous Western ones. The government-caused housing crisis distorts the entire economy and makes everybody significantly worse off; higher education is mostly fraudulent and makes everybody worse off; we can't build anything else that might make us better off; politics is absolute AIDS; and so on and so on. We've also got the whole multicultural demographic disaster humming away in the background, but increased prosperity might at least postpone some of those problems, which seems like reason enough to prioritise pro-growth policies over whingers.
The trade minister has had the whip removed because he said something dodgy to Mel B in a lift at the party conference
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