Stop saying crux.
Stop saying crux.
Not really.
I don't doubt the scientific merit of keeping everyone locked indoors for as long as possible, or even of allowing certain groups out and about in preference to others.
I do question that policy from the perspective of maintaining an open, free and fair society.
Closed, imprisoned and tough shit society ftw.
Soft shite alert.
That's the crux of it.
The next such debate we are going to have is that the south will get to a very low level and the north will still be higher.
Currently (although the variant came from the south) there are 17 areas in the north/midlands above 200/100k/week, and only Luton and Slough in the south.
Come in Andy Burnham, your time is up.
It's completely moot as regards letting the old and the sick out early, as where are they going to go? Where is going to be open for them if everyone else is locked indoors?
About time they got jobs and started to do something other than moan.
Oh we'll be allowed out to serve them, don't worry.Originally Posted by niko_cee
I see in Israel, land of the free indeed, they are going down the vaccine apartheid route.
You'll have 20 year olds employed to work in pubs but not allowed to visit them as a customer on their day off.
Generation Epsilon.
The riots will take up their spare time anyway.
As if I go anywhere anyway
And we're all living to 90 so this is nowt.
There’s a lot of softies in this thread.
It's the principle of the matter.
Good to see manc is on my side.
I'm fine with letting the vaccinated roam free
The other vaccinated.
We should really be taking RL's and Mahow's behaviour as a tacit admission that Mental Health doesn't matter.
That E-victory might actually be worth a few more months indoors.
My comment wasn't taking any particular side on what should or shouldn't happen regarding "opening up". I don't know what the right thing to do is. I spend a lot of my time at work now dealing with the mental health fallout in kids of lockdown, and it's fucking miserable.
I was merely pointing out what spiteful nonsense it is to not want old vaccinated people to be allowed to go out because you weren't/aren't allowed (which absolutely was a sentiment people were expressing).
You're having a laugh if you think younger people aren't going to feel resentment in that scenario.
Maybe they would feel more charitably towards the old, and more like they were playing their part in some kind of social contract, if the old weren't completely screwing them in every other respect as well as this one.
Seeing the current situation as the old "screwing" the young with regards to covid is just sad. Why do people want to be angry with someone all the time?
If the government enacts a policy which arbitrarily and by design benefits one section of society over another, then people are being screwed. That's just how it is, unfortunately, just as currently there are various groups (often also the young) who get screwed by other policies, like council tax, or lack of mental health provision, or whatever it might be.
The virus ain't sentient. Restrictions are chosen by people.
Yeah, they are chosen by the government, not "the elderly". If you're being screwed it's by your precious Tories.
"Waaaaah Dom never would've let this happen waaaaaaaah".
Oof.
So in the absence of any specific pandemic policies, where however many people died, nobody would be being 'screwed'?
Utilitarianism would have let the old wither, and in the long run that would probably have been the better solution, but it's an impossible argument to make in the midst of people dying.
Health discrimination does sound a right laugh though. Should we really have been letting people with aids go to nightclubs all these years?
Only people with AIDS should be going to clubs. The rest of us should be staying at home to keep them safe.
Is this directed at me?
Isn’t it a crime to not disclose HIV+?
So wouldn’t that be kinda like a vaccination disclosure in some weird warped way on the inverse
I’m too tired to make the connecting I’m kinda just throwing the ingredients in the kitchen and hoping one of you bake the pie
Yes. If you are in the same room as someone with HIV they must disclose it.
See you’re being obtuse for internet points I’m saying work with me here I have these pieces and I’m trying to figure them out
Like it would be a crime to not disclose HIV when engaging in something that may transmit the virus
So if we are using HIV/AIDS as some sort of comparison wouldnt it be reasonable to suggest it be a law to have to disclose your vaccination status when entering a private business or arrangement in which you may transmit said virus
I’m still working on this but talking aloud helps
I don’t think I should have to get a vaccine if I don’t want too per se so don’t take it the wrong way
I don't think the laws of entering people and entering buildings are all too comparable.
What more a privately owned property than ones body tbqh !
My take on all of this.
I don't really care that Deirdre might be indulging in Anilingus before Don does, good luck to her. No, the issue I have is that not only is Don potentially expected to wait until he's been vaccinated before he can taste sweet arse, but that he's still not allowed (and won't be for weeks) to do anything that remotely resembles fun, with anyone outside of his household, in any setting whatsoever. And that, at this stage, just isn't on.
You can't ask the fat, old and generally ill to shield from day 1 while we all crack on without overburdening the NHS as they simply won't do it in enough numbers to stop the NHS being screwed. But, we're well past day one for this latest cycle and Don meeting me in my garden now, let alone in fucking March (or April????May????) to tell me all about that sweet arse will pose no threat to the NHS being overburdened whatsoever. The relatively healthy that follow the rules have done more than their bit now and it's simply sadistic to expect them to carry on any longer if it doesn't represent a serious public health risk if they don't.
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Ngl, I've lost sight of the crux here.
I think we should just admit to ourselves this really has nothing to do with our safety does it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...yside-56111209
A man in his 30s with no underlying health conditions was offered a Covid vaccine after an NHS error mistakenly listed him as just 6.2cm in height.
Liam Thorp was told he qualified for the jab because his measurements gave him a body mass index of 28,000.
Alright, let's speed this along. If you know you have HIV It is illegal to have unprotected sex without informing the other person.
If you know you have Covid it is illegal to leave your home/hospital bed.
If you don't know you have HIV it is obviously not illegal to have unprotected sex without disclosing it.
If you don't know you have Covid......
I think he's inviting you round.
There's a Tory and a businessman on QT reading out our posts but getting drowned out by soft female shites. Let's keep an eye out on the correlation between testosterone levels and lockdown stance. It rings true in this thread for sure.
The pinnacle of manliness is stealing kids' bikes.
A man provides. A woman protects and should she neglect her responsibilities and utterly fails at every facet of life, she becomes Nadia Whittome.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ide-study-says
Top trolling.
Jeez that is quality doom porn.
I know you got roundly set upon for this post and I'm more commenting on what I suspect is a wildly held belief by far more people than I realise than just cheaply weighing in on you, but this is dangerous, dangerous shit.
The unvaccinated didn't need to be released from lockdown when we were weeks or maybe even months into this, but we're coming up to a year now, talking about genuinely extending this lockdown to 6 months (6.fucking.months) and they absolutely do. Given where we are with the vaccine and the fact that not a single expert in any field can properly explain where the risk lies in slowly unwinding stuff soon against the backdrop of that amazing achievement (beyond TEH VARIANTZ - see Jim's response to that one, he's nailed it, but to add, we're guarding against that in such a piss poor way it borders on the tragic) I would actually say the unvaccinated now have a greater need to be free than the vaccinated do for them not to be.
I live in a relatively nice house, haven't been furloughed, don't currently have money worries and I can honestly say the last six weeks of this have been the worst experience of my life. I feel constantly like a claustrophobe, I'm losing all motivation for pretty much anything and my ability to think and communicate is diminishing by the day and it's reached the stage where it's now so pronounced I can fucking see it. Now you could say I've led a sheltered life and it's not really been that bad you drama queen, people have much worse to deal with, and you'd be right, they do. Take the millions of people that live in squalor, that have lost their jobs, can't get another one and owe eight months rent. How anyone can come to the conclusion that they don't need to be released is terrifying. Absolutely terrifying.
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