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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    David McGoldrick masterclass incoming.
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    Lol, he’s not even playing. Silly Wilder, only time he ever scores.

    These kits aren’t great for being colour blind. Fucking hell

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    I don't get why you'd get two centre backs in the transfer window because the ones you have are all injured and then not play at least one of them. Fair enough if everyone was fit and you didn't want to put them into the team straight away but when your central defence is a makeshift one cobbled together from midfielders, what have you got to lose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    Lol, he’s not even playing. Silly Wilder, only time he ever scores.

    These kits aren’t great for being colour blind. Fucking hell
    Some start from Jorginho - clearly has the same issue

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    Is Kane and Son the Andy Cole and Dwight Yorke of the modern era. I can't think of two players more inextricably linked.

    BTW that Cole/Yorke partnership must be up there for the most underrated strikeforce of the PL era?

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    There's no way Cole and Yorke are underrated as a partnership. It's one of the great front twos and they were borderline telepathic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellberg View Post
    There's no way Cole and Yorke are underrated as a partnership. It's one of the great front twos and they were borderline telepathic.
    Who talks about them now though? I feel like they've been forgotten about by the modern fan. Like how I don't know anything about the Premier League from 92-95. They've been memory holed.

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    Mount > Messi

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    Who talks about partnerships in general?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    Who talks about partnerships in general?
    But enough about your love life...

    Way-oh.

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    They've dropped off the radar a bit in that sense maybe. Probably because Sheringham and Solskjaer scored against Bayern and neither do media/management.

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    Shearer and Sutton.

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    They dropped off the radar because playing 2 up top seems a rarity these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    Shearer and Sutton.
    See, people still talk about them and I'd say Yorke and Cole were on another level in comparison.

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    That’s about the 5th time Mendy has done that with a defender. Was always going to lead to a goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    See, people still talk about them and I'd say Yorke and Cole were on another level in comparison.
    For all Cole scored he was still underrated and regarded as a failure by some at the time, as mad as it sounds now.

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    Yeah it's weird that the 3rd highest scorer of all time (since football began in 92) is barely mentioned.

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    That midfield three with five at the back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    For all Cole scored he was still underrated and regarded as a failure by some at the time, as mad as it sounds now.
    He cost them the league against West Ham(?). Never shook it and tbf he really should've scored that day.

    Shearer/Sutton was a bit more top heavy than Yorke/Cole because undisputably:

    Shearer
    Yorke
    Cole
    Sutton

    But it was still a partnership which won the league for Blackburn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Fox View Post
    It looks like they're emotionally and physically shot.

    It's not as intense as it used to be and the inclusion of Thiago combined with the removal of Henderson and Fabinho from the midfield at the same time has thrown it off kilter.

    The most noticeable thing is no one really runs at the defence any more. Salah has almost stopped doing it. Firmino doesn't any more either. It's always a stop, take a clear hesitation and then a pass backwards or inside.

    It's times like this a new formation/playstyle could be found.
    It’s strange because they looked back to normal again Spurs and West Ham. And now have just regressed again.

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    Their understanding was great, but neither of them was really top, top class, which was why they didn't score as many as they should have done considering they had four properly world class midfielders behind them.

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    Dwight Yorke's ruined his legacy with the whole shitdad to Harvey debacle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Their understanding was great, but neither of them was really top, top class, which was why they didn't score as many as they should have done considering they had four properly world class midfielders behind them.
    I'd agree with that. Cole was fortunate to play in that side. Shearer would've scored about 90 a season.

    It's just time passing imo. The 90s was a long time ago. Who the fuck talks about Aldridge and Rush apart from old scousers?

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    I'm sure the partnerships discussion was had on here very recently, also sure it was prompted by phonics' comment about Yorke/Cole being underrated. Think Jimmy had a pretty good rebuttal.

    Either that or I'm a) having the most mundane deja vu or b) having dreams about this place.

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    Why on earth isn't Timo on penalties? If ever a lad needed confidence.

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    He got taken off them when he missed one against Luton.

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    The thing with Cole was that there were always a handful of other English number nines who were better. So he was never really rated very highly.

    He also had loads of chances in a game and usually took one but it was the missed chances that always stuck in the mind.

    Easy to look back at everything he won and all the goals he scored and think he was the dogs bollocks but he wasn't as good as the others. That's why he never got much of a chance for England.

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    Cole was brilliant at Newcastle. I think he waned (in terms of wider opinion at least) at United as there was a feeling you could stick any old mug up front for that team and they'd do pretty well, as has been pointed out. The abundance of more gifted, or more prolific forwards at the time obviously didn't help him either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    The thing with Cole was that there were always a handful of other English number nines who were better. So he was never really rated very highly.

    He also had loads of chances in a game and usually took one but it was the missed chances that always stuck in the mind.

    Easy to look back at everything he won and all the goals he scored and think he was the dogs bollocks but he wasn't as good as the others. That's why he never got much of a chance for England.
    Shearer was the only English number 9 better than him. He was better than Ferdinand, Fowler and Wright. The only one you could argue in Owen when he was a teenager, but even that was only 99 onwards, really.

    The fact that Hoddle didn't fancy Cole for whatever reason tainted people's perception of how good he was, hence your "Needs five chances to score" point.

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    Werner winning 7 penalties so far must have him onto some sort of record

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    Everything I've ever seen of peak Robbie Fowler suggests that he was a lot better until he wasted it all for whatever reason[s].

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    Fowler was brilliant for about 2 years, and better than Cole at his peak. But he barely played for England either, for some reason. Didn't even get a cap until 96.

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    Can't believe the Cole slagging in here. He was a very good centre forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    Shearer was the only English number 9 better than him. He was better than Ferdinand, Fowler and Wright. The only one you could argue in Owen when he was a teenager, but even that was only 99 onwards, really.

    The fact that Hoddle didn't fancy Cole for whatever reason tainted people's perception of how good he was, hence your "Needs five chances to score" point.
    Owen broke through in '97 and was pretty much instantly better than Cole. Owen was sensational as a teenager. Cole gets a hard time, but he definitely missed a lot of chances.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=west...W4QeHwNnY,st:0

    That's the West Ham game I was on about. The one off the post is unlucky, but he should've scored one of the two at the end. Cantona would've. Van Nistelrooy would've. Shearer would've. It's not as bad as I remember though. Plenty of chances shared between McClair, Hughes and a couple of others. He was a good player, but not good enough to be the United number 9 in that team.

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    Their goal tallies all benefited from the massive amount of space afforded behind English defences of the time (much as certain people benefit in the weak German league today). The only ones who translated it to international level were Shearer and Owen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    Fowler was brilliant for about 2 years, and better than Cole at his peak. But he barely played for England either, for some reason. Didn't even get a cap until 96.
    Terry Venables was the reason. No interest in Le Tissier either but plenty of time for any twat with an uncle who might have once been to White Hart Lane.

    Peak Fowler was a 'generational talent'. Unfortunately his ankles and/or his nose weren't up to it for long.

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    Generational talent is one of the worst phrases of recent years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    Shearer was the only English number 9 better than him. He was better than Ferdinand, Fowler and Wright. The only one you could argue in Owen when he was a teenager, but even that was only 99 onwards, really.

    The fact that Hoddle didn't fancy Cole for whatever reason tainted people's perception of how good he was, hence your "Needs five chances to score" point.
    I had absolutely no time for Hoddle or England at that time so I don't think my view is tainted by that.

    He was obviously very good (we had a great run of strikers) he was a similar level to Ferdinand and Wright and level below Owen, Fowler, Sheringham and Shearer.

    He definitely was wasteful all the way through his career. Didn't matter so much in the 90s as everyone was creating a shed load of chances, especially the United and Newcastle sides he played in.

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    That sort of era was peak Premier League enjoyment.

    So many good players everywhere and real quality attacking football.

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    Wasn’t Fowler too fond of the powder? That said, he’s among the best I’ve ever seen at his peak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Terry Venables was the reason. No interest in Le Tissier either but plenty of time for any twat with an uncle who might have once been to White Hart Lane.

    Peak Fowler was a 'generational talent'. Unfortunately his ankles and/or his nose weren't up to it for long.
    Was it not more that under Hoddle Fowler was taken to some away game a long flight away and didnt get on at all, so on the flight back after a couple of drinks he went up to Hoddle and gave him some abuse? According to his book anyway.

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    Andy Cole was a semi-laughing stock for much of my childhood. As a child, if you hit a shot way wide, you’d “Andy Coled it” and a throw-in was given, even though throw-ins weren’t otherwise ever in our games.
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    Fowler had bigger plans than football.


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    Robbie Fowler remains the best striker I've gotten to see live. Suarez ran him very close though.

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    Managing in India now with Kerala Blasters or somesuch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lofty View Post
    Was it not more that under Hoddle Fowler was taken to some away game a long flight away and didnt get on at all, so on the flight back after a couple of drinks he went up to Hoddle and gave him some abuse? According to his book anyway.
    He was done by then wasn't he? 94/5 and 95/6 were his peak years. He was certainly a spent force by the World Cup in '98.

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    The £17 million we paid for Raphinha was an absolute fucking steal. He's class.

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    It's definitely more concerning having Leeds a place below you than Arsenal. I can see you finishing well this season.

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    Bamford playing his way into a Euros place would be a sight to see.

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    Some very odd basic failings here from Leeds. Palace are sitting so deep that they can easily keep possession between their back-four and draw them out but instead they keep going direct and playing into the hands of Palace. I'm not asking for a complete 180 shift from Bielsa-ball to Big-Sam-ball, just fucking string together a few more passes across the back four to allow more space and efficacy for your midfield to operate in.

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