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    Deporting successful, contributing businessmen? Why don't they deport a few Turk scumbags? Sure they won't be hard to find.

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    Are you being deliberately thick to antagonise people or would you like it explained why Russia has kicked them out?

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    I'd like it explained please.

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    You annoy the businessman, who was making lots of money in Russia, into pressurising the Government to change it's policies so he can continue to make lots of money in Russia. Normally they will be government officials or people with ties through relatives/relationships with people in power. Why would President Erdogan give a fuck about a few peasants being kicked out? But 38 probable millionaires who could finance his opposition? That's who you listen to.

    The quickest way to change anyone's behaviour is by hitting their wallet. Always.

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    His policy on shooting down foreign bombers invading Turkish airspace?

    This is the sort of stuff you do if you've been sanctioned. Won't be effective and just hurts the Russian economy imo.

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    Wikileaks has released a massive load of Saudi Arabian foreign policy documents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Corbyn
    [T]he PM did not set out a coherent strategy, coordinated through the UN for the defeat of ISIS. Nor has he been able to explain what credible and acceptable ground forces could retake and hold territory freed from ISIS control by an intensified air campaign. In my view, the PM has been unable to explain the contribution of additional UK bombing to a comprehensive negotiated political settlement of the Syrian civil war, or its likely impact on the threat of terrorist attacks in the UK. For these, and other reasons, I do not believe the PM's current proposal for air strikes in Syria will protect our security and therefore cannot support it.
    I'm becoming a right Jezza mark. I posted something in support of him on my friend's Facebook wall the other day and it attracted a load of supportive 'Likes', so I had to clarify it by calling him a communist wank.

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    You just love the 80s.

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    I reckon a decent number of the shadow cabinet will go over Syria, which will isolate Corbyn further. Apparently they're SEETHING because this letter he sent to MPs was before the shadow cabinet had even met to discuss it. Top, top work.

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    They're on it today.

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    This is the easiest, don't do anything and we'll look amazing in 6 months move of all time and half the shadow cabinet cock it up by having their feelings hurt. lol.

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    I though Hunt had it right in asking whether our intervention was actually needed. What exactly are we going to be able to do that the US/Russia/France aren't already doing?

    Get your jets out for the lads.

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    Germans have just approved military action. Any chance of a stray missile hitting Israel?

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    ISIS in Yemen have put a video out (I haven't watched it) where they put some blokes on a boat, push it out into the water, and then bomb it. Waste of a boat, lads. They must be running out of ideas.

    My mother has just asked me whether I had seen 'that story on the internet' about a Muslim woman dropping her bag in Sheffield and then telling some geezer who helped her to pick it up to stay at home on Boxing Day. You stupid twat. THIS IS WHAT ISIS WANT!

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    There are reports that 'coalition' aircraft hit Syrian Army positions, and that ISIS managed to stage an assault on those same positions amidst the confusion. If they're British planes...

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    This is interesting. Who challenges Russia to a suffering contest?

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    Brent at $37 is crazy. I wonder what the floor is. I read somewhere that production costs for OPEC is around $10 a barrel and US fracking sits around $30, so if the goal really is to kill that industry I guess they can push it even further. But then again, OPEC has to prop up entire states with their margins.

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    That's going to be good news for that curent climate conference in Paris.

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    This is good on Putin's popularity.

    [T]he Kremlin is one of only three institutions that more Russians trust than distrust (the army is at 64%, and the Church and other religious organisations are at 53%). Fully 80% of respondents said they 'completely trust' Putin.

    How should this be understood?

    Mainstream Western media usually cast Putin's popularity as the result of Russians' heavy reliance on government-controlled television, i.e. 'brain-washing'. But such a one-sided view may misrepresent the relationship between power and public opinion. Tellingly, only 34% of Russians say they trust the media.
    Mental. It seems them sanctions are working. Twats.

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    I remember when I did 'comparative politics' in my degree (what a load of arse), Russia and its satellite republics, particularly the central Asian ones, were the only states in the world where 'Democracy' has a negative rep in the populace. They really are masochistic fuckers.

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    Those numbers suggest that the Soviet Union doing a China would have been the best result for the population. Probably for everyone else as well actually, provided we still got East Germany back.

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    Well you could see in the likes of Poland and Czech who was up for a bit of ballot casting during, and at the end of the Cold War. In Russia it was more a case of carving up what was left and off we go again. The geographical dividing line must be the same one that means people in Kiev want McDonalds and people in Donetsk want zakuski and a lemon to suck.

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    http://news.sky.com/story/1605822/ob...raqi-territory

    It would be funny if they were defeated and the entire Republican rhetoric during this campaign was rendered null.

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    So, the Saudi Wahhabi scum have conducted mass executions upon their political opponents, and displayed their crucified bodies in public to intimidate others while at the same time renewing their attacks on Yemen.

    Barley a murmur of protest from official channels in the west who continue to support them, of course. But shit is getting real with Iran.

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    #TeamIran

    Go on, lads. Once Syria is sorted blow Bahrain up and troll the Americans.

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    Thought the Douglas Murray Spectator on this was quite good.

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    Cameron's response today to that ISIS video was absolutely laughable.

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    Britain will never be cowed

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    Until it comes to continuing day to day activities where anything resembling a large crowd gathers...

    I don't claim to be an expert in this field, far from it, but it's absolutely hilarious (and not in a good way) watching someone who's probably the least active pound for pound PM in my lifetime (time served vs. stuff done) try and get into the mind and under the skin of ISIS members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambrose Evans Pritchard
    Most of Saudi Arabia’s 10.3m barrels a day (b/d) of output passes through the Shia heartland, now seething with fury. While global crude stocks are at record levels, there is no spare capacity outside Saudi Arabia. A disruption lasting more than a few days could cause oil prices to spike violently – possibly to $200 or more – triggering a worldwide economic crisis.
    Shit yerselves and panic buy.

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    Add that to China shitting the bed and we've got ourselves a cheeky global economic collapse

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    Iran is apparently having its sanctions lifted this weekend. I hope they tip those unfrozen assets straight into Syria for a laugh.

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    Why don't they give up then? The pro-Assad Twitter accounts I follow (heroes them lads) reckon the Islamists in charge have stopped people leaving and nicked all their food, but THE MEDIA DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

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    It was a collective term. Apart from the civilians who, as per usual, are the ones to suffer here. Pity the UN who have the terrible task of trying to negotiate with absolute lunatics on all sides to try and supply civvys, but no doubt it's all going to the fighters.

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    The government has been making some serious ground in the north since before Christmas. The idea seems to be to close off as much of the Turkish border as possible before the 'peace talks' get underway, and then they can just tell them to do one if they feel like it.

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    If we let 97% non-European Turkey become European, we're all doomed.

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    We're not doomed, but it would be a significant mistake given their complete inability to control their own borders, their persecution of the Kurds and their current president's apparent desire to rebuild the Ottoman Empire.

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    The Ottoman empire wasn't that bad to live under.

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    Yes, as long as you completely agreed with it or submitted to it.

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    They actually allowed other religions and cultures to exist and develop as they wished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    They actually allowed other religions and cultures to exist and develop as they wished.
    Other religions had limited freedoms, but non Muslims were still treated as second class citizens.

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    Not even an "according to Wikipedia" when copying it word for word.

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    I never visited wikipedia.

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    The Kurds are absolute legends. You've got to think they should have a chance at getting their own state out of all this.

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    They'd probably just end up gassing all the non-Kurds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The Kurds are absolute legends. You've got to think they should have a chance at getting their own state out of all this.
    Syria is a failed state, and Iraq a borderline failed state. It requires a solution recognising the gravity of the situation in Syria. You're never getting a unified country given aggrieved minorities in what now constitutes Islam's equivalent of Europe's Thirty Year War. Partition is needed, even if the historical landscape is littered with the wreckages of past failures of this the world over.

    A Kurdish state would seem entirely reasonable, although one suspects the Turks will vociferously whinge about the prospect of having a Kurdish state on their borders. It would just make it more difficult for them to continue persecuting the Kurdish minority in Turkey.

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    The government has cut Aleppo off from Turkey (or 'Erdogan's tentacle in the North' as Shia Twitter would have it). Oof. We might have to end up just backing ISIS at this rate.

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    Air strikes massacring civilians in the besieged towns.

    Good stuff Russia. There will be no 'pro-government' population left at this rate.

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