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    Now in Krakow, and got accosted by a very drunk Irishman c.2pm who accused me of being an arms dealer. Sort him out will you Giggles.

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    Tractors are weapons in the right hands.

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    Is anyone on here a full stack developer?

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    Now that I think about it, Jimmy's firm does feel alot more Arms dealy than tractor dealy.

    Trips to South America, trips to a country neighbouring a war zone, Iraqi's carrying briefcases around...

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    Didn't the police break into his house at some point not that long ago? That doesn't happen to innocent spark plug salesmen.

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    Has he actually ever seen the 'wares' he's selling?

    "Why yes I would definitely like 400 of your finest 'transmissions filters'."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Now that I think about it, Jimmy's firm does feel alot more Arms dealy than tractor dealy.

    Trips to South America, trips to a country neighbouring a war zone, Iraqi's carrying briefcases around...
    Now owned by South Africans.

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    I have a mate whose wife thinks I'm a spy. Sometimes I believe it myself.

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    Is £44k the going rate for a spy?

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    Unless your name is Barney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    Is £44k the going rate for a spy?
    That will be for a Senior Spy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I have a mate whose wife thinks I'm a spy. Sometimes I believe it myself.
    It's the go-to joke for anybody who works abroad a lot but without going to glamourous places.

    My dad got it a lot. Now he had a run of coincidences () where he'd come back from places just in time to avoid some sort of armed unrest going on, but still, if he was a spy he really committed to the "knowing a lot about concrete" bit of his cover story.

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    Are you saying Daddy Pig might be a spy?
    I'm a twit

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    Cover story does have to be air tight tbf.

    Imagine if he was doing his spy duties and came across a concrete expert, he'd have been rumbled instantly.

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    Jimmy's a John Le Carre protagonist and nothing will change my mind.

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    Could use his concrete knowledge of concrete to ‘disappear’ anyone who questions him.

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    Would be some bender but easily doable.

    Hopping on a 6-8 hour train is something a pissed up LAD would do.

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    The Irishman was still in the bar at 6. A proper bender if he's survived being identified as dead in 2012 though.

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    New starter on Teams:

    Great thank you, am i still meeting you at 9am tomorrow when i checked you're calendar the other day there was a few times down...?


    There's some passive aggression in that ...? and I can't quite put my finger on it. You're priveleged to be able to see my schedule, mate.
    I'm a twit

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    Any instance of ... in a professional context would seem passive aggresive to me.

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    Baz's subordinate already displaying contempt

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    Apparently she told someone I was very approachable, I’ll have you know.
    I'm a twit

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    That's just code for "he's a push over", right?

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    All jokes aside Baz based on the interactions you have told us about and the fact she immediately came in going 'lol ai actually want to do this not the job you gave me' I'd be extremely cautious dealing with her cos she sounds to type to fuck your career to move hers upwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lofty View Post
    All jokes aside Baz based on the interactions you have told us about and the fact she immediately came in going 'lol ai actually want to do this not the job you gave me' I'd be extremely cautious dealing with her cos she sounds to type to fuck your career to move hers upwards.
    Did my head in yesterday. I'm not technically her line manager but her workload is split between me and someone else, who is assigned as her line manager. When she first started she told me her line manager had done a workplan for her, mapping out objectives and stuff. I asked her if she wanted me to do one and she explicitly said no, and I got the impression she felt it was all a bit unnecessary.

    Fast forward to yesterday and she's asked me to do a workplan cos she needs more structure. Like sure, I'll do it, but c'mon.

    She's just sent me said workplan and it's so basic. Think I'm gonna go overboard so I don't need to update it much, and probably overwhelm her with short and long term goals. Let's have it.
    I'm a twit

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    I had an interview the other week, and the feedback came in today: 'Interesting and relevant experience in Defence, and strongest academic qualification amongst candidates selected for interview. Unfortunately, the interview was quite poor overall, sometimes giving an impression of not being engaged with the process'. What? I felt very confident and relaxed during the interview, because I know everything they needed me to know, so surely they haven't seen that as me not being arsed (after a lengthy application that took them months to process)?

    I think I need to get out of the civil service. Regardless of how productive and informed I am my manner seems to annoy the Communicating & Influencing people. How do I get into re-heating basic geopolitical analysis for a bank?

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    Fam, they're used to dealing with cunts who need to ask for the interview questions a day before the interview because their neurodiverse (read ethnic) brains can't deal with it, of course they're going to be alarmed at your ways.

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    Sounds a bit like they didn't like your attitude more than anything.

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    Knowing things alone is not enough. You need to smile and say 'That's an interesting question' and 'I hadn't thought of it like that before, but...' and 'You will know more about this than me, but I would certainly say...' and all the other bits of linking bollocks that may seem frustratingly inconsequential but in fact are what lifts a human being up from the realm of the 2D encyclopedia for it is, after all, a human being that they are seeking to employ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Sounds a bit like they didn't like your attitude more than anything.
    Aye. Tone the Lewis down next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Knowing things alone is not enough. You need to smile and say 'That's an interesting question' and 'I hadn't thought of it like that before, but...' and 'You will know more about this than me, but I would certainly say...' and all the other bits of linking bollocks that may seem frustratingly inconsequential but in fact are what lifts a human being up from the realm of the 2D encyclopedia for it is, after all, a human being that they are seeking to employ.
    They don't ask you questions that you could respond like that to. They literally go 'Give us an example of a time you Made an Effective Decision', and then sit there like computer game characters until you've stopped talking long enough for them to move on to asking you for an example of when you 'Showed Leadership'. There can't be a worse recruiting system in the world.

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    They almost always hire the wrong candidates as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    'Give us an example of a time you Made an Effective Decision'
    There is this place called 'Teh Refuge'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    They don't ask you questions that you could respond like that to. They literally go 'Give us an example of a time you Made an Effective Decision', and then sit there like computer game characters until you've stopped talking long enough for them to move on to asking you for an example of when you 'Showed Leadership'. There can't be a worse recruiting system in the world.
    Sure, but those questions are a piece of piss to answer and you just need a decent example response. It's formulaic, but it works for both sides.

    From their point of view they need to ask candidates roughly the same questions to get a baseline by which to compare answers.

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    Have you seen the state of the civil service? It most definitely does not work for both sides. It works for Igor types that can riff on demand.

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    I mean in the sense that if they ask predictable questions then you can have well-formed answers ready-to-go. The rest of it is just filler, like Jim says

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    They don't ask you questions that you could respond like that to. They literally go 'Give us an example of a time you Made an Effective Decision', and then sit there like computer game characters until you've stopped talking long enough for them to move on to asking you for an example of when you 'Showed Leadership'. There can't be a worse recruiting system in the world.
    What did you say when they asked you if you had any questions?
    I'm a twit

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    I always think it's best to just be yourself anyway. The interview works both ways, so if they're cunts it's for the best. What sort of role was it?

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    When we met the first thing you said to the poor bar girl was "it's fucking morbid in here isn't it?"

    I'd imagine it's that sort of thing.

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    I imagine Lewis went full Lewis (read: autist) and they thought he was a weirdo they didn’t want to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    What did you say when they asked you if you had any questions?
    I work with them in my current role, so I asked about whether there was scope for them to anticipate issues and offer advice to people before the people come to them in a panic, like is currently the case with something I'm dealing with for/with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Offshore Toon View Post
    I always think it's best to just be yourself anyway. The interview works both ways, so if they're cunts it's for the best. What sort of role was it?
    It was doing historical research-based policy stuff for the Royal Navy. It had internal appointment written all over it from the off but still.

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    On nights this week, and my colleague (always two on for nights) is wfh, whole massive two story office and warehouse to myself, it's fucking mint tbf

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    It was interesting earlier, I was talking to my manager who is struggling to find a candidate of any quality to replace Barney. Job has been live for a month now and not had anyone decent apply. He asked the recruiters why, as the salary offered is fairly artificially high, and they all said the same thing: you're not offering remote working. The job market now is more about that than it is about money, apparently. We are not that corporate and don't have the systems in place to offer comprehensive wfh (telephone forwarding, IT monitoring, and so on), and it's a job/industry that deals in physical products and therefore leans a lot on in-person presence, so we're more or less fucked.

    Work from home, order dinner in from home, only go out to pick the kids up, be dragged around tk maxx on a Saturday and go to a shitty barbecue on a Sunday. What a dreadful societal vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    It was interesting earlier, I was talking to my manager who is struggling to find a candidate of any quality to replace Barney. Job has been live for a month now and not had anyone decent apply. He asked the recruiters why, as the salary offered is fairly artificially high, and they all said the same thing: you're not offering remote working. The job market now is more about that than it is about money, apparently. We are not that corporate and don't have the systems in place to offer comprehensive wfh (telephone forwarding, IT monitoring, and so on), and it's a job/industry that deals in physical products and therefore leans a lot on in-person presence, so we're more or less fucked.

    Work from home, order dinner in from home, only go out to pick the kids up, be dragged around tk maxx on a Saturday and go to a shitty barbecue on a Sunday. What a dreadful societal vision.
    Aye, it's funny, as a lazy workshy twat you'd think I'd love WFH but it ain't for me. I think it's largely A Good Thing, but nah, I go mental doing it. We're allowed to do 50% shifts at home, so I may still occasionally use a WFH day when I have an unusually early start/social plans after work/fancy a hot curry the night before.

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    WFH is garbage. Thankfully everyone over here loves coming to the office to avoid staying at home with the in-laws, shitty WiFi and a farting buffalo.

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    I work from home every Tuesday and Thursday in my current job and it's quite good, mostly because I get to skip commuting to work. Even one day a week would mostly accomplish the same effect for me. Two is the highest I'd go though, any more than that and it gets boring.

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    I now get more done at home than I do in the office, I have to go in today and I know I'll get barely anything done compared to being at home. It doesn't help that we switched to hot desking during covid so the good office culture was essentially binned.

    For me, working from home is preferred. I get to spend all day with my dog, and essentially feel semi-retired. I do think in a different role it might not be great but I am given the freedom to do what I want as long as I deliver the goods and my work is essentially looking at hundreds of spreadsheets alone so it's easier without small talk.

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    For some jobs/people I'm sure it's perfect, but my anguish was more about it being so widespread that it actually fucks the job market.

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    Considering I've worked almost extensively from home for nearly 3 years, I can confirm it's absolutely ace.

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