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    Freedom of movement doesn't mean unmanaged immigration. Actually speak to people who are non-eu citizens and ask them the challenge to live in the UK permanently (it's expensive, time consuming and not at all easy).

    People paying under minimum wage is a criminal issue, you should report it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Freedom of movement doesn't mean unmanaged immigration. Actually speak to people who are non-eu citizens and ask them the challenge to live in the UK permanently (it's expensive, time consuming and not at all easy).

    People paying under minimum wage is a criminal issue, you should report it.
    I quite clearly said "for people within the EU".

    Your hyperbole detector may need checking too.

    And Jimmy, there are far too many Coffee nonces in this country. If a Far Right Government would address that - and betting shops, and phone case shops - the bring on Tommy Robinsons Barmy Army.

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    I know but giggles said it's a free for all when it clearly isn't. Being an immigrant, I'm not going to complain too much about having the opportunity to work in a different country.

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    You're not poor enough to get away with calling yourself an "immigrant".

    You're transnational. Like the Queen. Or One of those Rockefellar Illuminati lads.

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    I'm heterosexual actually.

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    Unmanaged is allowing them to operate above the law, which is definitely the case. Look at what brought on these changes in Sweden, and we're (along with many others) are going down the same road.

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    The EU project is looking like a bit of a disaster at the minute. Ushering in a new dawn of far right parties across the continent is some achievement.

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    Italy have fluctuated right and left since forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    Unmanaged is allowing them to operate above the law, which is definitely the case. Look at what brought on these changes in Sweden, and we're (along with many others) are going down the same road.
    Asylum seekers in Sweden isn't the same as immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Italy have fluctuated right and left since forever.
    This is the first far right government since Mussolini according to the BBC atleast. Fluctuating between Centre left and centre right is normal, lurching to the wing nuts on either side is less so.

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    And the other places, where they’ve got in or are now a major party?

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    It's about fading memories of war, isn't it?

    I was in Verdun on Friday, you won't see the far right getting in there.

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    Wasn't Five Star founded as a joke in Italy? Major party of government within however many years so it's not as if they don't have form for oddball political selections. Given they are rampantly Catholic as well I would imagine they are quite [socially] conservative by default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    It's about fading memories of war, isn't it?

    I was in Verdun on Friday, you won't see the far right getting in there.
    Probably, yeah. The lure of the wing nuts has always been held off by the knowledge of what they did, but the knowledge has mostly died off now. Its just names and dates in textbooks now.

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    Is this Italian coalition even far-right? It's not like they're opposed to democracy and other than the "no gays" thing from one of the parties involved, the main policies are pretty much Tory: chop the top tax rate, Eurosceptic, cut immigration (until the economy tanks, necessitating a U-turn) amongst other usual nationalist and populist policies that are commonplace.

    Or is "no gays" the difference between small-c conservatism and the far-right now? I won't argue with anyone who says yes.

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    Just how far right is a government that needs watered-down righties like Berlusconi's lot to form a majority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    Is this Italian coalition even far-right? It's not like they're opposed to democracy and other than the "no gays" thing from one of the parties involved, the main policies are pretty much Tory: chop the top tax rate, Eurosceptic, cut immigration (until the economy tanks, necessitating a U-turn) amongst other usual nationalist and populist policies that are commonplace.

    Or is "no gays" the difference between small-c conservatism and the far-right now? I won't argue with anyone who says yes.
    I won't pretend to be an expert in Italian politics, so I have no idea how Far Right they are. I'm just going off the headlines.

    I would consider "no gays" as Right Wing territory though. I'd have to read the rest of their policies to see how bad they are outside of that, but I don't have the time or interest required to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    It's about fading memories of war, isn't it?

    I was in Verdun on Friday, you won't see the far right getting in there.
    How was Verdun? On my list as well as the Somme.

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    Haunted. I wasn't prepared to see 16,000 graves and a load of actual bones, to be honest.

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    France must be covered in war cemeteries. We went to one near Le Touquet as we were passing and it was massive. Pretty much exclusively American and British too. I imagine all the French graves are in the South where they all fled to.

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    I also went to Omaha Beach, where someone had spray-painted 'GAME OVER KRAUTS' onto one of the machine gun bunkers on the bluff. Truly a touching memorial.

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    We're going to the Chapel of Bones today in Evora so going to see some skulls as well [take it to the travel thread - Ed]

    This also explains a lot as well https://www.psypost.org/2022/09/righ...research-63961

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    Take some spray paint.

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    This Italian government will be a bit like the last 'populist' one. It will make a load of noise, do a few symbolic gestures, and then fall to bits after its first meaningful collision with the European Union.

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    Why break tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Haunted. I wasn't prepared to see 16,000 graves and a load of actual bones, to be honest.
    When I went to Auschwitz it's was seeing all the belongings/hair piled up in the museum that really fucked me up.

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    Does it even matter who is in power in Italy. I imagine it to be a bit like Mexico, where no matter who you choose, things will run the same way: poorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    When I went to Auschwitz it's was seeing all the belongings/hair piled up in the museum that really fucked me up.
    That was the gift shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Does it even matter who is in power in Italy. I imagine it to be a bit like Mexico, where no matter who you choose, things will run the same way: poorly.
    The underground economy probably dictates this a little as well. This was quite interesting https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...bd5_story.html

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    I still can't get over how much of a shit tip Naples was when I flew into there last year. Genuinely the worst place I've seen in a first World country and by some margin too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Diesel

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    I’d love to know where the government are getting all this cash they’re giving us in various forms. Sort of thing that doesn’t end very well.



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    She still looking for someone?

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    “Sex-without-consent trial”

    So rape then.

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    Women can't commit rape under UK law.

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    Yeah it's a quirk of the UK legal definition of rape (requires penetration with a penis). Functionally it shouldn't make any differences as the sentencing guidelines are the same for the female equivalent, but I do think being branded a "rapist" holds a certain weight other crimes don't.

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    Apparently the Supreme Leader is (almost) dead. Not the best timing considering the Islamic Republic is being toppled. What you hearing @Taz?

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    There was this rumour about a week or 2 ago but he made an appearance. He's been silent last 2-3 days so who knows.

    Youthful optimistic me thought the arguably bigger 2009 riots were the ones and they got shut down quickly even though it was predicated on more serious matters than whores in hijabs. I don't hold much hope of meaningful change but Kim K and that slut Nazanin are backing this one so the heavyweights could sway it.

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    One day the Americans will finally nobble the Islamic Republic, get all excited, and then the newly-formed Khomeini Party will win the first elections with about seventy per cent of the vote and stuff the government with its clerics and militia leaders.

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    As you do. It's like a weird sketch.

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    "former medical student" lol

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    A lot of people seem to think it's an actual war memorial, so her community service could be explaining why it isn't.

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    Whoever produced the shit needs to see a doctor.

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    A fair bit to unpack in that. I hope she enjoys her time in custody.

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    Don't even know where to start with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    "former medical student" lol
    Technically you are too. Stay away from the Churchill Monument.

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    Private jets (and aviation generally) make fuck all difference to anything.

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