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    Waste of time and resources, as most of the mass testing we will no doubt have to get used to in the coming times will also be.

    The one place you're not going to eliminate Covid is in a hospital.

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    Our Matt Hancock (bless him, he's old and didn't really want the job) came out with a belter today which was something along the lines of "please, for god's sake, don't come to hospital if you're ill".

    Now, I know what he was getting at, but there is a bit of a fatal flaw with that delivery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Today 5,455 cases and 104 deaths. I can almost see those club/sauna doors opening.
    Surely these stats are pretty redundant until we start opening up (to test the effect the vaccine). With lockdown, they will continue to fall.

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    The vaccine's been tested. It works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    It just baffles me that regular testing hasn't been in place for the NHS since the start. I'd have expected weekly tests at a minimum.

    I mean, how is @Giggles needed to take a test so he can deliver parcels but a doctor isn't? (I am aware different country)
    I suspect it's because they knew if they tested healthcare staff regularly then the workforce would just fall apart with the number of asymptomatic positives having to isolate. Cynical but probably true.

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    Just seen a garden bar build on facebook named 'The Captain Sir Tom'. I'm sure it would've been the greatest accolade of his life had he lived to see it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    The vaccine's been tested. It works.
    We'll see, sweetheart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dquincy View Post
    Surely these stats are pretty redundant until we start opening up (to test the effect the vaccine). With lockdown, they will continue to fall.
    The cases and deaths are falling at twice the speed of the first wave. It's the vaccine.

    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    I suspect it's because they knew if they tested healthcare staff regularly then the workforce would just fall apart with the number of asymptomatic positives having to isolate. Cynical but probably true.
    You're almost certainly right, which is horrific and understandable in equal measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    The cases and deaths are falling at twice the speed of the first wave. It's the vaccine.
    Or is it true British grit. The sort that saw us win two world wars.

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    It is exciting seeing a vaccine in effect during a pandemic. Any vaccines I've previously taken have been for viruses that are already relatively under control, which is quite frankly boring.

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    You've had some serious side effects from those vaccines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dquincy View Post
    Or is it true British grit. The sort that saw us win two world wars.
    If any Britishness needs to be factored in it's being "double hard bastards".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dquincy View Post
    Or is it true British grit. The sort that saw us win two world wars.
    Yeah it’s the vaccines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dquincy View Post
    We'll see, sweetheart.
    As Spikey said, we're already seeing it. Love.

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    Hasnt he got a taste for it?


    West Australian Premier Mark McGowan has indicated he is considering extending the state's "controlled border" beyond the COVID-19 pandemic in order to slow drug importation.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...ports/13206388

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    If true British grit is helping it's in terms of our willingness to take the vaccine (see John Arne's chart at the top of page 387). Honestly no idea what Johnny Foreigner is playing at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry View Post
    You've had some serious side effects from those vaccines.
    Urgh, as if I'm going to take that poison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    I suspect it's because they knew if they tested healthcare staff regularly then the workforce would just fall apart with the number of asymptomatic positives having to isolate. Cynical but probably true.
    I thought it had already fallen apart multiple times...

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    I mean it did, but we don't have the choice to just close.

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    Japan asks China to stop using anal swabs on its citizens

    The Japanese government has asked Beijing to stop taking anal swabs from its citizens to test for coronavirus, saying the procedure causes psychological pain.

    Beijing has not yet responded and it is not known how many Japanese citizens have been subjected to the procedure.

    It comes after some Chinese cities started using the swabs to detect potential COVID-19 infection to limit transmission.

    US diplomats in China claimed last month that they had been told to take the tests - but the claim was denied by China's foreign ministry.
    We have throat and nose. They have anal and nose (in that order).

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    I mean it did, but we don't have the choice to just close.
    Would you class delaying almost everything as 'closing'?

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    Given the lack of an Islamabad strain and as a sufferer, I do think this is Team Soft Shites' best bet for making everyone shit themselves on a permanent basis. The long-term effects will no doubt be incovered as being very serious in the coming months.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...scientists-say

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    There were some pretty handy numbers the other day showing that the vaccine may reduce long Covid symptoms (early days though).

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    I bet he still won't take it.

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    If they demonstrate it's more than simply preventative I'll take it but otherwise, I'll leave it to the more gravitationally gifted individuals, ta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dquincy View Post
    We'll see, sweetheart.
    We've already seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    We've already seen.
    He’s beyond hope.

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    Why aren't the vaccines we have suitable for children?

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    I really want to buy our JCVI and MHRA a pint. Fucking nailed everything. How come they could manage it but the Europeans/Americans couldn't? The only thing I can think of is we were willing not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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    They're testing them on kids now, aren't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Why aren't the vaccines we have suitable for children?
    They probably are but there was no inclusion of children in the initial clinical trials. That is very normal. You start on adults 18-60 then escalate up into 65+ and deescalate to adolescents and then children.

    For kids it’s a lot to do with ethics. You couldn’t test the jabs on kids first when you don’t know the safety in adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    They probably are but there was no inclusion of children in the initial clinical trials. That is very normal. You start on adults 18-60 then escalate up into 65+ and deescalate to adolescents and then children.

    For kids it’s a lot to do with ethics. You couldn’t test the jabs on kids first when you don’t know the safety in adults.
    Ah, fair enough. Makes sense. Just after posting that I've seen a news story with the head of immunisation at PHE saying they expect them to work, possibly even better than for older people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I really want to buy our JCVI and MHRA a pint. Fucking nailed everything. How come they could manage it but the Europeans/Americans couldn't? The only thing I can think of is we were willing not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
    I read an article the other day on the Oxford vaccine going through FDA approval. Apparently they haven’t even submitted for approval because the Americans will only accept data from the US trial, which hasn’t finished yet. They’ve just approved Johnson & Johnson so they’re in no rush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    He’s beyond hope.
    Please don't hurt my mental health.

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    Where he lives.

    Homeless.

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    Russian variant has popped up in Brisbane hotel quarantine I had no idea they even had one.
    Last edited by Queenslander; 03-03-2021 at 02:57 AM.

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    Everyone has a variant, but only about 3 countries globally are looking for them.

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    Just been jabbed. Off to the pie shop now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Everyone has a variant, but only about 3 countries globally are looking for them.
    Yeah Im not bothered one bit.

    The UK and Israel kicking goals is enough for me

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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and...-clubs-reopen/

    Almost want to sign up so I can read the rest.

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    Allow me to indulge you with some trickle-down economics.

    When Boris Johnson announced his roadmap out of lockdown, with pubs and restaurants to open inside from May 17 at the earliest and nightclubs from June 21, many people jumped for joy.

    Twitter was a-flutter with memes of the antics people hope to get up to when bars and clubs reopen their doors. My WhatsApp group chat was full of screenshots of the clothes my friends plan to buy to mark their first time going ‘out out’ since March last year.

    At first, I was also buzzing with excitement. I can’t wait to have a proper night out, to pester the DJ to play Little Mix, and dance until the lights come on. I want nothing more than to rediscover the secret bars dotted around the capital where I live, and to order a Pornstar Martini.

    And, of course, I’m veritably thrilled by the prospect of going to a restaurant and eating a meal with my boyfriend that I did not spend hours preparing (and inevitably burning).

    But my initial euphoria has now subsided as I’ve realised that, even if pubs, clubs and restaurants reopen from June, it’s highly unlikely that I, a healthy 25-year-old, will have had the vaccine.

    Boris Johnson has said that we're all going to have to learn to live alongside Covid-19. He might be right, but the prospect of sitting cheek by jowl with potential Covid carriers in a restaurant or bar, having self-isolated at home for so long, is frankly terrifying.

    Last summer, while my friends were going out to restaurants most nights, I would only tag along if we sat outside in the beer garden. The one time I did accompany them to an indoor bottomless brunch in Balham, I spent the next four days paralysed with fear that my hayfever was, in fact, Covid, and did a test to check (it was negative).

    I did eventually lighten up, but since the new Kent variant emerged, along with the uncertainty of how it spreads, I’ve slipped back into panic mode.

    On my birthday in November, my boyfriend took me to a fairly empty Pizza Express and I asked to move tables three times to avoid being anywhere near other diners. Even now, my takeaway coffee is duly spritzed with antibac before I take a sip. So I can’t imagine being back inside a restaurant in May; even if it is at half capacity; my friends and I would still be crowded around a table, so I’d still feel at risk.

    I seem to be in the minority among people my age, but Counselling Directory member Dee Johnson says she has seen similar concerns in her practice. “I have noticed an increase of anxiety with people processing their feelings about a return to 'normal',” she says. Her clients have expressed feeling nervous about returning to socialising, having been isolated for so long. Others “still fear the virus taking away our freedom again and being back in lockdown,” Johnson says.

    Yet many others, like me, are simply terrified at the prospect of catching Covid-19. Hester Grainger, 43, is a mum-of-two who runs a PR agency in Reading. She is nervous about going back to restaurants and bars in June. “I’m torn because I’m really excited. I love going out, I love eating in new places, I love going out for drinks – but I just don’t feel, for me, anything will have changed that is going to make it any more safe to go out in a few months than it is now.”

    She feels she probably won’t have been vaccinated by June and fears that others could carry Covid. Even though Grainger has no underlying health conditions, she still worries about catching the virus. “You don’t know how you’re going to react to it,” she says, “and there are perfectly healthy people who have died from Covid or been really, really poorly. I know a few people who have long Covid.”

    Yet, like me, Grainger is in the minority of her friends. “The majority are just really excited to be ‘back to normal,’” she says.

    I know my friends are counting down the days until we can go out (and by extension, inside) again. It seems I have a choice: either stay at home and be miserable with FOMO, or risk going out.

    Having effectively lost a year to the pandemic, a lot of my friends have said they feel like life is passing them by, and I know what they mean; our twenties, after all, are the time to go out and have fun, before bigger responsibilities come our way. And for that reason, despite my trepidation, I probably will return to restaurants and bars when they reopen. I’ll just be the one in the corner lathering on the hand sanitiser.
    Her boyfriend must be one of those blokes with no shoulders who wears a cardigan on the beach.

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    Based on her photo, I'd say she's quite looking forward to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Allow me to indulge you with some trickle-down economics.



    Her boyfriend must be one of those blokes with no shoulders who wears a cardigan on the beach.
    Cheers.

    Asking to move table 3 times and washing her takeaway coffee's

    What a mong.

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    That is superb. Filtering out the clubs of soft shites like that, my God COVID is the gift that keeps giving

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    She's not so scared that she stays at home and makes her own fucking coffee, obvs.

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    There is such a thing as being too careful.

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    I guarantee that her boyfriend is a million leagues below her and would support her in genociding his whole family for a tit-out hand-job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    That is superb. Filtering out the clubs of soft shites like that, my God COVID is the gift that keeps giving
    That's actually hella true. The narcs will all be at home

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