Had a walk around town earlier. Every independent coffee shop bar one seems to have gone under.
Had a walk around town earlier. Every independent coffee shop bar one seems to have gone under.
This domino run of European governments now suspending the Oxford vaccine because 37 people out of 5 million have had blood clots since taking it (not necessarily linked to having taken it) out of 'the precautionary principle' is absolutely unbelievable. Holland and Germany the latest to do so.
Do they literally want to kill their own people?
Well, clearly not "not a chance" given that there's lot of places already returned to normality (in relation to work and wfh). I would agree with what Jimmy said in that it's easier to get time off (essentially wfh) - as in, child is sick, so I'm working from home today, whereas in the past, may not have even asked the question.Originally Posted by Manc
I haven't seen the numbers - but I saw one tweet suggesting that all the total number of blood clots is in line with what you would expect, regardless of vaccination. These countries must be seeing different numbers??
I don't think anyone knows what they are seeing or doing. We've used millions and millions and millions of those jabs and nothing has happened.
France done it now. Hurrah!
I can only assume they're absolutely desperate for THE GREAT BRITISH vaccine to be proven unsafe so that they have something, nay anything, to show that our vaccination rollout isn't a barnstorming success vs. their absolute shambles.
It's utterly pathetic.
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/as...end-use-2021-3
It said it reviewed safety data from 17 million people who got the shot in the UK and EU, and found fewer clot-related adverse effects than would be expected in any group of that size.
It said that among the 17 million there had been 15 cases of deep vein thrombosis (blood clots in the veins) and 22 of pulmonary embolism (blood clots in the lungs).
This is "much lower" than what would expect in the general population, and it is similar to what was observed with other Covid-19 vaccines, the company said.
The number of cases of blood clots reported in the general population would be in the "hundreds", Ann Taylor, AstraZeneca's chief medical officer said in the statement.
Back when Euroscepticism was a fringe belief confined to Nigel Farage on Question Time and the Telegraph blog pages (the untouchable highpoint of online newspapers) the whole precautionary principle mindset of the European Union was one of the main reasons to be against it. Pharmaceuticals, genetically-modified foods... We could be ballin' on all this stuff now, but in normal times farmers and dickheads will ruin it, so who knows.
The best explanation I can find, reading around this, is that they are all just shitting the bed in formation. It'll be a costly shit as if you're not vaccinating x number of people a day, then approximately x/7000 will die.
Can we have them back, then? We haven't reported any clots, have we?
I just went for a deep dive in AntiVaxx Twitter.
Spectacular stuff.
The clotting thing is absolute nonsense, just as THE DATA has indicated. But don’t let that stop total twats like Macron from jumping on it. He’s gutted when he has to endorse it.
AstraZenica should just out-petty them and offer to forego the contract. They're not profiting on it anyway, so fuck 'em.
To be fair, it came across a little 'catty'. But I'm willing to work past this. In fact, I forgive you. I've taken the higher road (unlike you, you complete cretin!!).
Aaah, friends.
The whole thing is getting to existential threat levels of incompetence now, but, as always, the response is to make the threat actually worse by doubling down on the original stupidity.
Also, isn't covid strongly associated with clotting problems? So watch as clotting events go up as vaccinations go down.
https://www.hra.nhs.uk/planning-and-...d-19-covid-19/
It would appear so.
It's my wife's Nan and Grandads funeral tomorrow and the rules are all sorts of fucked up. Nothing much outside of what you'd expect, but it hits you harder when it's real world.
She'll be on her own (I have the kids), surrounded by her loved ones, all masked up, all crying, nobody is allowed to console you. Nobody can even talk or sing. You're allowed to say "Amen". That's it.
Keep them in the freezer until June.
Did they think about holding a vigil instead? Would have been able to lay on a spread and all sorts that way.
There's not enough local police officers to make it worthwhile.
We'll look back on things like how we handled funerals during this with a lot of shame, or at least we should do.
Just spent the best part of an hour down a youtube rabbit hole reminding myself of what a pub and live music is. When's the earliest I can make it to an operational Belfast?
Do you have any friends in the paramilitary?
You stay the fuck out.
Clearly not Shinners.
We should, but I feel the majority will see it as a 'sacrifice' for the greater good. Those are the same people that would happily run a concentration camp.
My boomer family's old and large enough it probably would've degenerated into a vicious cycle of weekly funerals.
Role of Sage to be reviewed over fears scientists hold too much power
Panel that set the course for some of the pandemic’s most controversial policies may hold ‘too much sway’ over ministers
Yev 3 - 0 Science
Complete buck passing by saying "it woz Sage that made us do it".
Disagree there Keeks. They're being OTT right now and voices from within Sage have still been calling for more and warning of new waves in August that make no sense at all.
Yev is running rings around SAGE.
Pure parody account now.
You?
The government are responsible for the decisions they make. SAGE are advisors, not decision makers.
There will be waves, whether they are significant enough to care about well that's a different story.
It was either ignore them while people were dying in their thousands and risk the ire of the millions of people in this country (and by far the vocal majority on Twitter) that daren't question anything someone from a scientific background says or go with them and have an easier life. Now I'd obviously have preferred if we did the former a bit quicker (as we seem to be now while deaths are much lower - a far easier gig), but without a Thatcher type figure at the helm that was never going to happen.
If we're going to put SCIENCE at the forefront of our society then it simply has to be subject to the same scrutiny every other system is and let's be fair, it has made some awful, awful calls throughout this.
You employ advisory boards for their advice. What's the point if you're not going to follow it? And, why can you not hold advice givers responsible for giving bad advice?
The Government won't be coming out of this smelling of roses either. They were a shambles for the entirety of 2020, but Sage have had a shit show too.
It was their advice not to bother with masks early on. Just wash your hands lads. Happy Birthday to you.
Today is the one year anniversary of Caprice being right in her TV debate with a scientific expert, what times they were and what times they still are.
As I've been saying for a while now, SCIENCE can't be questioned, let alone held culpable for anything. Which is a dangerous trajectory to be on.
"Sarah is the expert"
"Masks make no difference at all"
Chuck Caprice into the fold and it's just delightful.
She was on one of the Jeremy Vine episodes I watched a while back. She is exactly what you would expect from a Channel 5, day time TV doctor. Thick as pig shit and as smug as the dog rolling in it.
Scrutiny is fine and analysing what decisions and advice was followed and whether it was based in the correct principles should happen so we can learn ahead of the next pandemic. It will, and still should absolutely, be the government who make the ultimate decisions whether it be to properly prepare the agencies which are enabled to tackle these pandemics (such as having PPE) or the appropriate actions subsequent (lockdown, airport closures, masks). The SCIENCE as you like to call it, will always be tempered by what is proven at a point in time (e.g. effectiveness of masks).
Twitter is irrelevant in all this.
Can we not!?
I'm sure the government's actions on this will be properly scrutinised by a ruthless team of Matt Hancock's favourite neighbours.
"the next pandemic"
He's desperate for another one. Absolute deviant.
I mean, they are a real threat and increasingly likely with a growing population. Especially with poor countries/people expanding into Jungles and wild areas. In the last 100 years alone we've had Spanish Flu, Hong Kong Flu, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Sars, HIV, Ebola, Covid and probably others I've forgotten.
There will be more. But still... can we not.
"Blame the laughfricans" bit harsh. In fact, apart from Ebola none of your aforementioned pandemicy type things were anything to do with poor countries or untamed wilderness.
Contact with infected animals is the obvious link. Be it at a market or by moving into areas that increase the likelihood of contact.
And it's not just Ebola that came about via contact with wild animals. HIV did too (if you believe the official story) and the farms that caused the Bird Flu and Swine Flu outbreaks were in the arse end of nowhere. And, so was the suspected source of the Spanish Flu (which should be called Yank Flu).
What's the unofficial story on HIV?
The Polio vaccine was contaminated. There is some evidence to suggest it could be true. Whether it actually is and whether it is solely responsible is another matter.
(I don't personally believe it. I think HIV just came about at the same time as the Polio Vaccine and the link was made in people's heads.)
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