He will cling on until the next election campaign starts. Then they will kick him out and say "look lads, Boris is gone, it's a clean slate".
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
He will cling on until the next election campaign starts. Then they will kick him out and say "look lads, Boris is gone, it's a clean slate".
I wouldn't see any risk in opposing him as a Tory MP. What's he going to do, not promote me to minister of state for gay porn and biscuits? The much bigger danger is him staying in post and my seat going red or yellow at the next election as a result.
Just a reminder that when all these brown-noses like Truss and Shapps say that no-one should vote against him because of the Ukraine situation, we changed Prime Minister twice during World War II, to great effect.
While the SNP are in fashion it is going to be hugely difficult to get the Conservatives out. Boris MIGHT manage it, but I think the second he goes every estranged Tory voter goes back to being a Tory voter. I think alot of the MP's will realise this and see the value in letting him take the blame for everything at the right time, and being able to say "I wanted Boris gone the second I heard about the Parties and I'm glad we've managed to force him out" right before the election. The gammons would eat that up.
You'd think so, as there's a lot of lapsed voters that can be regained overnight. But the cult is real. We're finally about to see how widespread that is. The local elections last month will have got a lot of the 2019 intake twitchy.
I think the public are going to stop giving a fuck about Ukraine pretty soon. Paying 80 quid to get to Southampton and back has me about ready to chuck The Donbas under the bus.Originally Posted by Ben
You could get the right honourable sir keir starmer kcb qc in as PM with a confidence and supply from the tartan y-fronts lot pretty easily, I think, numbers wise. The hard part is that that is the SNP's worst nightmare, so they'd probably make it really awkward.
He could potentially manage it with the guarantee of another referendum, but I think they'd probably vote to leave this time and we'd never see another Labour government again.
Alastair Campbell on Sky News saying the Tories need to lay off the drugs.
Mark The Saj as a vote against Boris. His interview on GMB was a complete non-defence.
All the pieces are finally falling into place for my long term prediction of Prime Minister Jeremy Hunt to become reality.
Supposedly he's been hosting "secret" dinners with prospective Cabinet members recently so he's definitely favourite if it gets to that. Kind of strange that he has support from non-Tories given he was absolute poison after his run as Health Sec. That was only four years ago.
Don't be ridiculous.
I want this man running up and down every street in Britain trailing a banner that just reads "VINDICATION".
He will also rebrand to "Mate" Hancock.
Has she actually left him then?
I think Boris Johnson would fare better under general election conditions than people currently think, particularly when the alternatives liable to be provided by the Conservative Party are zombie Thatcherism or a more contemptuous reversion back to 2018 (the Jesse Norman letter that people are getting excited over being its manifesto). With that in mind, a leadership scare getting him to sort himself out a bit might be the best outcome.
I meant his last wife, but who knows.
She will if he gets pottered later.
Didn't he (somehow)try to blame the parties on her? I dare say this would be her fault too.
I thought he cheated on her with the new one then divorced her whilst she was fighting cancer?
Tory Civil War playing out in the media today.
In my mind she slung him out in the end, but, again, who knows.
Nadine Dorries, amongst her tirade at Jeremy Hunt, has literally just said "the donors have spoken today". At least they're not pretending we live in a democracy anymore.
EDIT: Also she said we're at war with Ukraine. Which she actually means we're at war with Ukraine against Russia. Which is dangerous as fuck considering everyone has bent over backwards so far to not call it what it is: a proxy war between NATO and Russia.
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Tracker for the boring cunts like myself.
My local MP is still a bell end then.
All the tweets from the supporters are the same: "got the big calls right".
Like bots come to life.
Nadine Dorries is just comedy gold.
"I'm not going to talk about numbers" literally ten seconds later "14 million people voted for the Prime Minster!"
She's also pretty much confirmed that this Government can be bought for £18m, in the same no-numbers interview.
The worrying thing is that the freaks seem to think that Ukraine really is some massive priority for the country.
I think it is a long term strategic turning point in the sense that it binds us indelibly into the western alliance, and has in some respects given us a blueprint for foreign policy decision-making post EU membership. It also ends the hopes of those on the Tory right who might have wanted us to go more isolationist/Trumpish.
A priority in terms of this government's policy-making, no.
The best endorsement of him is that pretty much anybody else would have merrily locked us down over Christmas. If we get into genuine concerns it doesn't really matter who is nominally in charge.
That's a bit revisionist. He literally had to make concessions to the 1922 lot for them to support his semi-restrictions. If he hadn't been caught red-handed boozing it up he would have gone harder. He didn't want to do anything at the beginning of Lockdown OG but that was mainly because he was fucking clueless to it; he'd done a virtual 180 on restrictions by the first Christmas.
Poor Boris just wants to get on with the job but has no fucking clue what it is outside of cronyism. Someone who can string a sentence together would be a nice start.
His central problem has always been that he absolutely does not care about anyone other than himself. He can entertain people but he can't empathise with them. As court jester or even London Mayor this is ok, but as PM you're finished.
He was VERY lucky in the 2019 election to come up against Corbyn who is the worst major party leader there ever has been or could be. Against Starmer, a Boris-led Tory party is heading for opposition, and that's not because Starmer's good, it's because he won't do anything to warrant being hated in the way that Boris does.
Won't upset the right-wing press and establishment, you mean.
How many people actually read the right wing press? Couple of million? Makes zero difference to anything.
The 'right-wing press and establishment' sounds like a two front war.
Probably less now the 'personalities' are all wandering off to start podcasts and youtube channels.
We're in this situation because Boris was mad/brave/lusting for power enough to go for leadership when all the other Tories with a chance of winning were legging it in the opposite direction of Brexit (shame on them) and he found himself up against the most incompetent leader of a major political party in my lifetime (well done everyone who supported him).
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People may not buy newspapers anymore, but lots will still use the Daily Mail website on their dinner breaks in work. Also, found this quite interesting:
I'm sure once people realise that a million people moved here last year opposition will pick back up.
Are more immigrants white now though?
The major opposition was due to the EU's perceived encroachment on our sovereignty and not immigration, despite how much all sides of the media might claim otherwise.
The BBC are leaning right in to 'Even if he does win mathematically...' as if half of the party haven't been seething since 2019 (and always will be). Unless it's 52/48 then he is lolling. What are they going to do, vote the budget down?
It's not worth it mate.
It was all about going back to the imperial system, being a racist and not knowing what was best for yourself.
@Yev.
Give over. Plenty of Red Wall voters thought leaving the EU would stop brown people coming in. The problem for those voters now is that the hardest thing in life is not the act of being conned, but admitting you’ve been conned.
i hope he wins. The last thing we need is someone competent over there.
There's not much chance of that either way.
Administrative competence is probably the biggest obstacle to ever getting elected.
Theresa May survived her vote too. More than 100 rebels and he’s on borrowed time. You can’t limp on without a de facto majority in the Commons for long. Unless there’s only the bare minimum (54) then these things are normally the beginning of the end, whatever the result. It’s impossible to shake the stink.
Theresa May led a minority government and had Brexit and electoral oblivion looming over her. Wor Boris has a sizeable majority and two years until the next election to turn things around. Whether he can or not, who knows (he won't); but the circumstances couldn't be any different.
Maybe should have said "the right-wing press and the establishment" to make it clearer I consider them two different things. The Guardian can be included in the establishment, for instance. They all pose as being progressive and everything but when there was a whiff of mild wealth redistribution they collectively shat themselves at their zone 2 dinner parties.
She didn’t really lead though did she? She stumbled on until they could apply the final blow.
May was just an example. There’s Major as well. The stink of it will always be there even if the number of rebels is only mildly large. Just 80 rebels (which is a given going by reports) completely swings the majority the other way.
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