Yeah and as someone who watches every single game, there has been clear and consistent progress.Originally Posted by Kikó
Won't deny he fucked the EL final, but even the mighty Pep flubbed the Champions League final.
Yeah and as someone who watches every single game, there has been clear and consistent progress.
Won't deny he fucked the EL final, but even the mighty Pep flubbed the Champions League final.
Sixty-six and seventy-four points are shit to meh, and he bombed each of his major cup ties in exactly the same fashion. I think he has the right ideas, and he has brought the right players in, but he isn't good enough to actually implement them.
I'm also still not convinced he has any sort of plan for attack beyond choosing a tactic and plugging in better players FM-style and then "lol you guys work it out I guess?"
If he does it's incredibly well concealed.
I still think people underestimate how big a problem the right side of our attack has been for absolutely forever. If you look at where we attack from it is laughably lopsided.
It's incredibly difficult to break down a well drilled defensive side when you've only got one route of attack.
Greenwood has done decently on the right but he's clearly a striker and his tendency is always to come inside and sit in/around the box. Wan Bissaka has improved going forward but he's never going to be prime Cafu. Feel free to laugh at me if I'm wrong but I think Sancho will make a surprisingly big difference.
Last edited by randomlegend; 02-07-2021 at 09:30 PM.
United had zero clue how to attack under mourinho. OGS has changed that and while it doesn't always work, it generally has. I don't think he's going to be good enough longer term but I've generally enjoyed his time. The players have improved under him.
The wonky attack doesn't explain why they regularly get out-run and over-run by any team with a plan, and concede the same shit goal[s] every week, unless he just expects to win every game 4-2.
Regardless of what Joe Public thinks of OGS, the players are definitely behind him.
Jesus is that really the bar. “At least he’s doing better than Mourinho.”
I'm a twit
The bar is his team's play generally good football and for the first time in about ten years, it's been enjoyable.
He needs to figure out how to start games on the front foot.
I mean I just don't think that's true. You can't finish second, even if the points total was relatively modest, if you get over-run by "every team with a plan" (which in the Premier League is pretty much everyone apart from the shittest relegation fodder).
The dodgy defence definitely improved as the season went on. A lot of it was individual mistakes - many from Maguire, who was excellent by the end of the year.
Tactics, mate, clearly matter, but you also do actually need good players. Hence Pep spending about a billion quid on defenders. The squad was absolutely rife with overpaid shite when Solskjaer came in and he has drastically improved it. The midfield probably still isn't good enough to win the league because Pogba will never work properly in the two unless they get a Kante regen beside him and the rest of the midfielders are all a load of meh.
Last edited by randomlegend; 02-07-2021 at 09:52 PM.
I honestly don’t believe that. I truly believe it’s “better than wot we ad” mentality, cos a neutral wouldn’t go out of their way to watch United under Solskjaer. They’re dreadful. Teams like Leicester, Spurs, Villa, probably even Everton (and of course City, Chelsea and Liverpool) play far more entertaining [generally good] football.
Edit: Leeds
I'm a twit
Set forward runs to often and call it a day.
How many games do they ever win comfortably? They go behind because he can't set a team up properly, then somebody does something against the run of play/because they retreat into their own box, he brings another attacker on, and they win. It's good enough with an expensive squad to get seventy-odd points, but no chance he ever wins a big trophy with them.
I don't THINK I'm just a contrarian old miserytwat when it comes to United but I honestly can't relate to the idea that watching our games is generally enjoyable.
And I agree with Lewis that we're not winning anything anybody cares about under OGB.
A few weeks with no games on is long enough for any club's partisan forum/reddit echo chamber to convince itself that they're on the brink of greatness.
There have been moments in some games which have been enjoyable.
It's not enough though.
He should have been fired for losing the Europa League too.
It might be better than the slop served up previously, but yeah, 'enjoyable' is a stretch.
Yeah, they'll be getting touted for £50m+ in a year after a decent season in the league.
I've also obviously seen nothing of either.
Everyone was all over Soumaré a few years ago (in the press at least) so £17m seems a good price for him.
I mean the previous bar was the misery of the end of Mourinho, the dread ball from LvG and the crossing from Moyes. Solskjaer has got the team scoring 4 goals in games for the first time in ages.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a great manager but it has been enjoyable at times. Towards the end of last season it was more shit the bed TBF.
The delusion
I never really get (1) how wage bills are ever compared [I mean, isn't that highly sensitive/confidential information or do clubs report it?] and (2) how United aren't leagues ahead of everyone as virtually everyone in their squad appears to be on multiple hundreds of thousands of pounds a week [if you believe what is reported, which I guess takes you back to point 1]. Doesn't fatman Shaw earn more than Mo Salah and Van Dijk?
You probably need to have some sort of frame of reference for that, but, if anything, £100,000 p/w salaries are probably a lot more common than transfer fees of that size.
Did Ole also lose a final to Arteta in the fizzy drink cup?
That was Fat Frank in the FA Cup.
You're probably right. £100,000 is the new £30,000 like £30m is the new £10m would probably be better
I still say, given the resources at his disposal, 'LvG' did the best job out of any of them. His transfers were very (very) hit and miss, but he had to oversee a proper clear-out and couldn't just buy two top, top players a year. He got Ole Gunnar Binman-level points (and an FA Cup) with Morgan Schneiderlin and Wayne Rooney in midfield (the less said about the rest of the side the better).
Varane - Not far off agreeing personal terms, wants to come to United. United want one more at CB after his.
Trippier - in doubt especially with Diego's new found form.
Additional CM/CF dependent on player sales.
Sancho apparently 'a bad trainer, distracted off the pitch, arrogant, rude... ". Good at football though.
Distracted by what? He must have worked with every black man in Dortmund.
Would explain the England shun.
Going in with a third bid for Smith-Rowe of just over 30m. Must be something to this. Is he any good?
There's about as much chance of Arsenal accepting that bid as there is of Villa accepting one of £50m for Grealish.
Should have offered £30,000,001.
Only difference being actual bids are going in. Might not happen, and I'm not too fussed either way, but repeat bids must mean either he or Arsenal have sounded us out.
He's after leverage for his new contract.
Sounds to me like you're selling your opinions as fact again there.
We'll see how it plays out.
He's the closest thing to Grealish out there and I don't just mean the sexy calfs. Proper player.
No I'm not. Multiple reliable Arsenal journalists have said he's expected to sign a new contract and that it would take a bid at least double what Villa are currently offering for Arsenal to even come to the table.
Not just one RELIABLE JOURNO, but several?!
Exactly, yes.
Who?
Barold Hishop, Cyril the Somalian, the Internet Ombudsman...
RL rubs one out to pictures of Jack Sullivan, pass it on.
lol at Barca trying to cancel the contracts of Umtiti and Pjanic (who was bought for 60m last summer).
Top five transfer nonces:
- Jim White
- Fab "here we go" Romano
- RL
- David Ornstein
- dijeet
Jim White's finished now. RL's moving up.
I'm number 1 and it's not close.
Trying not to get my hopes up.
The new United shirt is honking. The red looks off, and the logo looks Sunday league. That 2012/13 picnic table was the last real shocker, but they won the league in it so who knows.
Cancel it for cheap. They are all over the place.
Wolves have loaned some barca winger who is probably shitm
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