Coronavirus Death Thread

[Yevrah]

I think they played a valuable (if overstated, much like hand sanitiser) part early doors and it was fucking lol that our scientists did the inevitable u-turn they did once it dawned on them that maybe, just maybe, Asian countries knew what they were doing. But now? Much like all of the other restrictions bar keeping people indoors, they're just fucking pointless in Western societies in almost all settings - it's laughable that they're even mentioned in the same breath as an actual vaccine when it comes to a raft of measures.

[John Arne]

Hold on, are you saying you don't believe that masks are effective? It's common sense, surely...



EDIT: Like you mention, if worn properly.

[Spikey M]

This is atleast the 18th time we've had this conversation. I know we've all run mad over the last couple of years, but there's got to be a limit.

[Shindig]

Yeah, in terms of effectiveness vaccines and lockdowns are the only things that are genuinely impactful. Masks and hand sanitiser is more of a prod. Like, "Hey, let's make you aware of this thing, you scruffy cunts." To be honest, it would've probably made more of an impact early because it simply didn't have the spread it's gone on to develop.

[John Arne]

Yeah, I'd go with that. Everything is only as useful as the combined effort.

[Giggles]

The combined effort was out the window by around June 2020.

[-james-]

My girlfriend does the mask on to walk from table to front door shit. I've stopped bringing it up.

[Giggles]

Whatever was the thinking behind not needing them while seated anyway?

[Yevrah]

Yeah, I'd go with that. Everything is only as useful as the combined effort.

I would imagine they still work very well in a compliant population (as part of the combination as you say), but in England they're not worn properly, I'd imagine barely ever washed and (as Giggles says) taken off all the time too.

[Shindig]

Even with the Asian nations, they clamp down on cases so quick. That's what does the most work.

[Yevrah]

Even with the Asian nations, they clamp down on cases so quick. That's what does the most work.

Yep. It's part of a zero tolerance strategy and we've never had that nor would it ever work even if we tried, we'd end up being more laughable than Australia if we tried.

[Jimmy Floyd]

In East Asia there is not the concept of the individual like there is in the west, the state comes first. 100 million people all religiously wearing masks in all settings would make a difference (and will never happen in western countries). 20 million people sort of wearing them and 20 million not wearing them, in some settings only, makes zero difference to anything.

[Kikó]

Frankfurt mask wearing is pretty comprehensive. I think it's a British thing.

[Queenslander]

Yep. It's part of a zero tolerance strategy and we've never had that nor would it ever work even if we tried, we'd end up being more laughable than Australia if we tried.

Huh?


Stop assuming you know what is happening down here based off the news you hysterical woman. The vocal minority down here get all the media attention the vast majority of the population are just getting on with it and now our vaccination rates are higher than England's and we managed to do it safely with minimal deaths.

[Magic]

Tagged at bovid camp.

[Queenslander]

[Yevrah]

Huh?


Stop assuming you know what is happening down here based off the news you hysterical woman. The vocal minority down here get all the media attention the vast majority of the population are just getting on with it and now our vaccination rates are higher than England's and we managed to do it safely with minimal deaths.

Glad you've got your shit together now, but some of the stuff out of Australia in the meantime has been proper bonkers.

[niko_cee]

Truly the 'Lucky Country'.

[Queenslander]

Glad you've got your shit together now, but some of the stuff out of Australia in the meantime has been proper bonkers.

I don't disagree with that at all but trade offs had to made for our particular set of circumstances.

[Queenslander]

Truly the 'Lucky Country'.

Lucky enough to have our own for profit prison Islands which is what you blokes (UK) should be kicking us for.

[Pepe]

Everything is only as useful as the combined effort.

The Swiss cheese model of safety.

Masks should never be placed in the same bin as hand sanitizer. Masks physically do something to prevent spread. Hand sanitizer literally does nothing, unless you are someone who has the habit of constantly licking your hands after touching surfaces/people.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I never said masks were useless. They're just not worth getting angry about to the extent that both sides do.

[Pepe]

The biggest lol part with the masks is that we are still all wearing those crappy cloth ones. Why didn't N95s become commonplace? If mask wearing will be a thing, might as well do it properly.

EDIT: Well, that and the already mentioned 'wear it while walking in then take it out when on your table' policy. That is 100% theatre.

[Kikó]

Most people here are wearing the FFP2 face masks as standard rather than crappy bandanas/face cloths.

I've just been boosted with Moderna.

[Foe]

RIP tomorrow.

Have heard pfizer is much less of an issue but moderna is a bitch from my experience.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I had my third Pfizer yesterday and no issues other than slightly sore arm. The Arab in my office had 2x Sinopharm and then a Moderna, had the last rites performed.

[Dave.]

Most people here are wearing the FFP2 face masks as standard rather than crappy bandanas/face cloths.

I've just been boosted with Moderna.

I had Moderna booster and was fine with it, just like my two Pfizer jabs before it.

[niko_cee]

Same for me, double Pfizer then Moderna, no issues because I'm not a 'total melt'.

[7om]

I fancied Moderna but got Pfizer for my bovid booster. Oh well, let’s see what they have on offer at Easter.

[Yevrah]

Just seen that Sage’s modelling has put deaths between 600 and 6,000 a day.

Do these people enjoy having no credibility?

[Shindig]

"Guys, give us a worst case scenario so we can all look like we're doing better than expected."

[Yevrah]

600 is their best case, 6,000 the worst. You could remove all vaccine efficacy and we'd still have to go some to hit the latter.

[Jimmy Floyd]

6,000 deaths a day would be 4 times worse than the worst day when we were all unvaccinated.

[7om]

I’d be surprised if it reached 400, to be honest.

Predictions? I’ll go with 316 on 8th January.

[Kikó]

They've been asked to model scenarios and I'm sure in them, they build likelihood.

[Yevrah]

Bad of the BBC not to tell me that their 6,000 a day worst case also comes with a likelihood of 0%.

[7om]

They've been asked to model scenarios and I'm sure in them, they build likelihood.

I’m sure they do. I can also do that: 1 million deaths a day with a 0.000000001% probability.

[Spikey M]

I'd be surprised if you don't have a proper butcher near you that does it. But yeah, it comes essentially looking like a block of mince that is then sliced and fried as you'd expect. Think it's got spices through it too. I would still choose a really good 'link' sausage (if you just ask for sausage in your breakfast roll you'll get square 9/10 times so I'm in the habit of thinking of them as 'links' now) but square is good.

I'm sure we were able to get it when I lived in England from one butcher but not the supermarkets usually.

EDIT: Saying I'd be surprised if you can't is strong, but I'd say there's a reasonable chance you can get it somewhere local.

My Butcher just looked at me like I had run mad. No Lorne for me.

I might try to make some. does this recipe seem right? No sausage meat seems odd.

[Lewis]

Swap the sausage meat for 'sausage meat' then.

[Spikey M]

Minced pork and sausage meat aren't the same, because sausage meat is seasoned, MATE. Now maybe they use pork mince instead because the recipe has it's own seasoning. That's unimportant, what IS important is that Mark Noble stopped working but Lorne maintains its power.

[Boydy]

Just buy a block of sausage meat, cut some slices off it and fry them.

[Spikey M]

That's not the same and you know it.

[Ian]

My Butcher just looked at me like I had run mad. No Lorne for me.

I might try to make some. does this recipe seem right? No sausage meat seems odd.

I've never made it or checked exactly what's in it but looks near enough.

[Kikó]

I’m sure they do. I can also do that: 1 million deaths a day with a 0.000000001% probability.

Why aren't we locked down yet if we are going to get a million deaths a day? 😡

[Lewis]

That's not the same and you know it.

It is really. It's just that Scottish people have made it a 'thing' because what else have they got going for them.

[Shindig]

More cases in the office. Christmas is ON THE ROPES.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They're talking about a month of Step 2 restrictions (no indoor socialising, no overnight stays, 6 people can eat on outdoor tables).

If so I have literally no idea why we bothered with a vaccination programme at all.

[Kikó]

I think if you look at it comparatively to last year, we had way more hospitalisations and deaths at this point and already 2 weeks into a 4 month lockdown. I can't see anything similar happening this time even if it is deeply frustrating.

[Spikey M]

I'll wear a mask, I'll have my booster, I'm not doing anything else.

[Yevrah]

I think if you look at it comparatively to last year, we had way more hospitalisations and deaths at this point and already 2 weeks into a 4 month lockdown. I can't see anything similar happening this time even if it is deeply frustrating.

Clearly I think existing restrictions are nonsense, let alone anymore, but the logic will be that the Omicron wave hasn't fully hit yet. As I keep saying, we need to stop listening to scientists on restrictions, they've played their part and that should be that.